More Obamacare fuckups

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Originally Posted by Back

I'm happy with it. Tons of people are. Get over it.

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They have no legitimate responses Back. All they're left with is trolling.

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Originally Posted by cwolff

They have no legitimate responses Back. All they're left with is trolling.

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Yet you glossed right over this post of mine:

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

I don't understand this librul talking point one iota.

"The system we had in place SUCKS! But Obamacare is trying to fix that problem by forcing yet more people into the old, shitty system!"

Wait, what?

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Irony much?

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Originally Posted by Back

Dude, there are millions of us (people who want healthcare reform) out there.

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Yes, but what are the odds of two of you being on PC?

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

Yet you glossed right over this post of mine:



Irony much?

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Well TG you didn't quote me with any honesty or context. I didn't gloss over what you wrote I ignored it because you're just trying to flirt with me or something. You're definitely not asking me a real question about my views.

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Originally Posted by cwolff

...I want healthcare reform. The system we've been using is out of whack and the ACA is a great step in the right direction. ...I think it will be a great success and the foundation for a system that we'll appreciate for generations.

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Originally Posted by cwolff

Well TG you didn't quote me with any honesty or context. I didn't gloss over what you wrote I ignored it because you're just trying to flirt with me or something. You're definitely not asking me a real question about my views.

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I figured the question was obvious but I guess it is easier to troll about others trolling :D

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Originally Posted by Ashliana

Unsurprisingly, you gloss over what made the old system "shitty" for the majority of people, and what the law changed: lifetime caps, the ability for companies to drop you

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Oh right, Obamacare fixes this how again? Oh that's right, it doesn't.

You do realize the purpose of lifetime caps and for companies to drop you was so they could remain profitable, right? Whether it's right or wrong for a company to deny you health coverage in order to make a profit is irrelevant to the discussion because these SAME companies are still out there being heavily involved in our healthcare system and they still want to make a profit.

How are they going to to retain the same amount of profit while working with these limitations? Oh, right! They're going to keep raising everyone's rates!

Obama! Obama! Obama!

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Originally Posted by Back

Dude, there are millions of us (people who want healthcare reform) out there.

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And millions of us (people who think Obamacare isn't the answer to healthcare reform) out there.

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Originally Posted by cwolff

They do ask. Especially pediatricians. They ask about hazards that could lead to in home accidents. They can also provide some tips on gun safety with kids in the house, locks to buy, storage etc... the same way they tell parents to put harsh chemicals out of reach and protect the pool area etc...

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I have two kids and I've never, ever been asked by their pediatrician about chemicals under the sink. And I don't remember the legislation put forth to make doctors ask about kitchen cleaners either... can you point me in the direction of that law?

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Originally Posted by Ashliana

Unsurprisingly, you gloss over what made the old system "shitty" for the majority of people, and what the law changed: lifetime caps, the ability for companies to drop you, refuse to insure you for pre-existing conditions, and so on. In your delusional mind, none of that changed. As always, you remain uninterested in reality.

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Why shouldn't health insurance companies be allowed to drop those who develop a smoking habit, or gained 50-60 lbs due to lifestyle change (sedentary and overeating), and such?

And why not health insurance companies be allowed to charge more for those with pre-existing conditions, or be like "well, to keep your premiums low, coverage of this existing health problem will not be covered" ?

Health insurance, in principal, is to protect against *unexpected* health issues. Forcing coverage of pre-existing only forces them to drastically increase premiums (across the board) to account for pre-existing issues requiring frequent and costly medical visits.

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Originally Posted by Warriorbird

I think if we carefully established criteria related to harm to self and others we could do okay. That'd require a bunch of politicians cooperating in a common sense way though, which we both know isn't likely to happen.

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Twice in one political thread.

And it's not April Fools Day.

WTF!?

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Originally Posted by Back

I'm happy with it. Tons of people are. Get over it.

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I'm not happy with it. Tons of people aren't. Get over yourself.