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07-31-2023, 02:39 PM
Suppressed Poet

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Originally Posted by Solkern

He escalated things in Syria multiple times and what not, or do those not count? He also brought Iran and America to the brink of war, that was only avoided due to secret communications behind Trump’s back, begging Iran not to respond. Does that not count?

Iran doesn’t count because nothing happened

We were already heavily involved in Syria before Trump took office. I’ll give credit to Obama for largely being the one to start kicking the shit out of ISIS (took him long enough to act but that’s another discussion) and Trump can’t take all the credit for their demise. Do me the same courtesy of acknowledging we were already in Syria with Obama.
07-31-2023, 02:43 PM
Solkern

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Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet

Iran doesn’t count because nothing happened

We were already heavily involved in Syria before Trump took office. I’ll give credit to Obama for largely being the one to start kicking the shit out of ISIS (took him long enough to act but that’s another discussion) and Trump can’t take all the credit for their demise. Do me the same courtesy of acknowledging we were already in Syria with Obama.

Of course we were, won’t deny that. But Trump ordered military strikes multiple times due to “chemical attacks” with zero evidence, much like Bush with his weapons of mass destruction. I would call that Trump participating and escalating, wouldn’t you?

Regarding Iran, because something didn’t end up happening, doesn’t mean that it was a peaceful situation. Trump almost started a war, a “peaceful president” wouldn’t do such things… especially knowing it was only stopped due to people secretly doing peace saving shit behind his back and without his knowledge.
07-31-2023, 02:43 PM
Parkbandit

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Originally Posted by Solkern

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-f...-idUSKBN2A22SN

Posts on social media say former U.S. President Donald Trump was “the first president in modern history” who “did not start a new war.” There have, however, been other U.S. presidents in modern history who did not enter the country into a new war. While defining military interventions can be difficult, Trump is not the only president not to start a new war during his administration.

If we consider the Koran War, the Vietnam War, the Gulf War, the war in Afghanistan and the Iraq War, Trump joins Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, Ronald Reagan, Jimmy Carter, Gerald Ford, Richard Nixon, John F. Kennedy and Dwight D. Eisenhower in not having officially brought the United States into a new war since 1945.

VERDICT
False. Just four of the 13 presidents in office between 1945 and 2020 -- Harry S. Truman, Lyndon B. Johnson, George H. W. Bush and George W. Bush – officially brought the country into new full-scale wars (Korea, Vietnam, the Persian Gulf, Afghanistan, Iraq). If we also consider other military interventions, Carter and Ford join Trump in not starting or escalating existing foreign conflicts with U.S. military involvement.

Well, if the legacy media said something is false about President Trump, we should just nod our heads in approval like Solkern here.. because our legacy media would never, ever say something incorrect... now would they.. especially when it came to President Trump....................

Let's go through this... here's my post:

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

President Trump was the most peaceful time president since Gerald Ford.

A little American history for you... Nixon, JFK, and Eisenhower were before Ford.. so let's just eliminate them.

Taking into account any military interventions.. we're down to Carter, Ford and Trump. My post said "Since Gerald Ford" so we can eliminate him.

So.. was Trump more of a peaceful President than Carter? Let's look:

Soviet Union (ZOMG RUSSIA) invaded Afghanistan and Carter took the side of Afghanistan, arming the rebels there to fight the USSR.. sound familiar?

Iranian Revolution started and the US embassy was stormed and they took 66 US hostages. Carter launched Operation Eagle Claw to free them, but it was a total disaster and caused the death of 8 US soldiers.

So, it seems that I was correct when I stated:

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

President Trump was the most peaceful time president since Gerald Ford.
07-31-2023, 02:46 PM
Parkbandit

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Originally Posted by Solkern

He escalated things in Syria multiple times and what not, or do those not count?

Be specific. What did Trump do?

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He also brought Iran and America to the brink of war, that was only avoided due to secret communications behind Trump’s back, begging Iran not to respond. Does that not count?

This is almost as retarded as the Doomsday clock.

Don't be so retarded.
07-31-2023, 02:48 PM
Parkbandit

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Originally Posted by Solkern

Regarding Iran, because something didn’t end up happening, doesn’t mean that it was a peaceful situation. Trump almost started a war, a “peaceful president” wouldn’t do such things… especially knowing it was only stopped due to people secretly doing peace saving shit behind his back and without his knowledge.

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07-31-2023, 02:49 PM
Suppressed Poet

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Originally Posted by Solkern

Of course we were, won’t deny that. But Trump ordered military strikes multiple times due to “chemical attacks” with zero evidence, much like Bush with his weapons of mass destruction. I would call that Trump participating and escalating, wouldn’t you?

Regarding Iran, because something didn’t end up happening, doesn’t mean that it was a peaceful situation. Trump almost started a war, a “peaceful president” wouldn’t do such things… especially knowing it was only stopped due to people secretly doing peace saving shit behind his back and without his knowledge.

You are mistaken. It was Obama that was convinced of the use of chemical weapons in Syria. Back in 2014 we started bombing the shit out of Syria and then got ourselves involved in their civil war. The only good thing that came out of that is the obliteration of ISIS/ISIL which was completed under Trump.

On Iran, one could call Trumps words and actions with them diplomacy. Iran doesn’t want to go to war with us. Despite their military size and strength we would fuck them up in an instant. They know it and we know it.
07-31-2023, 02:53 PM
Solkern

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

Be specific. What did Trump do?

This is almost as retarded as the Doomsday clock.

Don't be so retarded.

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Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet

You are mistaken. It was Obama that was convinced of the use of chemical weapons in Syria. Back in 2014 we started bombing the shit out of Syria and then got ourselves involved in their civil war. The only good thing that came out of that is the obliteration of ISIS/ISIL which was completed under Trump.

On Iran, one could call Trumps words and actions with them diplomacy. Iran doesn’t want to go to war with us. Despite their military size and strength we would fuck them up in an instant. They know it and we know it.

https://time.com/5240164/syria-missi...pons/?amp=true

Trump Orders Strikes on Syria Over Chemical Weapons

The Administration, however, did not present public evidence on the type of chemicals used or whether it involved the use of a powerful nerve gas

It remains unclear why the U.S. would unleash military strikes from the air and by sea if it did not have irrefutable proof that nerve agent was used. Assad has launched chlorine attacks against civilians dozens of times without U.S. reprisal, even though chemical weapons have been internationally banned after widespread use in World War I.

The operation marked the second time the U.S. struck Assad’s military. Trump ordered an attack last April against the Shayrat air base after a warplane at the base dropped bombs on another town allegedly containing the nerve agent sarin. U.S. warships launched 59 Tomahawk cruise missiles at the base.

I’m not mistaken at all, Obama and Trump both did it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/11/u...ran-trump.html

Seven Days in January: How Trump Pushed U.S. and Iran to the Brink of War
The story of that week, and the secret planning in the months preceding it, ranks as the most perilous chapter so far in President Trump’s three years in office.
07-31-2023, 03:07 PM
Methais

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Originally Posted by Solkern

Of course we were, won’t deny that. But Trump ordered military strikes multiple times due to “chemical attacks” with zero evidence, much like Bush with his weapons of mass destruction. I would call that Trump participating and escalating, wouldn’t you?

Regarding Iran, because something didn’t end up happening, doesn’t mean that it was a peaceful situation. Trump almost started a war, a “peaceful president” wouldn’t do such things… especially knowing it was only stopped due to people secretly doing peace saving shit behind his back and without his knowledge.

Isn't the topic "started new wars" and not "participating in existing military conflicts that other presidents started"?

Asking for Latrin's cold cut lady.
07-31-2023, 03:13 PM
Solkern

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Originally Posted by Methais

Isn't the topic "started new wars" and not "participating in existing military conflicts that other presidents started"?

Asking for Latrin's cold cut lady.

SP said participate, which Trump did, which is why I brought it up.

If that is the metric you want to use...Trump joins Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, Ronald Reagan, Jimmy Carter, Gerald Ford, Richard Nixon, John F. Kennedy and Dwight D. Eisenhower in not having officially brought the United States into a new war since 1945.

If you want to include non-official wars as well, Clinton didn’t start any new wars, he just did a military strike, much like Trump did.
07-31-2023, 03:43 PM
Seran

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Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet

Trump significantly reduced troop presence in existing hotspots & set forth plans to withdraw, plus he did little to fund/aide/participate in foreign conflicts. You can say Reagan was peaceful through power, but that is discounting his aiding of anybody fighting communists. You can say Clinton was peaceful through decreasing military spending, but that would be discounting his orders to carpet bomb places like Baghdad & our involvement in hotspots like Bosnia & Somalia. Both the Bush presidents are out for obvious reasons. Obama increased our troop presence & operation in the GWOT zones. Biden has Ukraine. Carter had his own doctrine with aiding Afghanistan and the infamous Operation Eagle Claw.

While it may be difficult to objectively quantify, I agree with the statement of Trump being the most peaceful president since Ford.

Also…Biden is the dumbest president we have had since Gerald Ford, and that’s not counting his dementia & cognitive decline. George W Bush is third dumbest.

We're not directly involved in the war with Ukraine beyond providing economic and military aid, nice try though.

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