“Yesterday you said this wasn’t a whistleblower and now you’re saying this isn’t how whistleblowing works.”
Am I too consistent for your taste or what?
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Yes. You can thank your party for setting that standard over the past decade or so.
Sorry if not having the "rules" only work one way when it's convenient for you hurts your anus.
But I tell you what...once Greta Thunberg posts here about it, I'll formally apologize to her, as I have no doubt that she's very upset by my posts on this 30 year old text game forum.
I'm glad people aren't shitting in the streets of my city. We may be a bunch of stupid racist redneck southern Republicans here, but we know how to use toilets.
No idea what you're referring to, to be honest. As for my party, I actually see myself as an independent, but until the mainstream Republican party stops being totally self-serving and insane, I'm a bluer-than-blue Dem.
How anyone on the right justifies the following, I have no idea:
1) Being ok with Russia interfering with US elections to help Trump get elected
2) Alienating our European allies and helping out Putin and Russia's interests
3) The president enriching himself in office
4) The president hamhandedly handling trade issues
5) Ignoring the most pressing issue of the day, human-induced climate change
Wait, I do know. It's called "pulling the red blanket over your head."
Just wants to save the planet? She wants to destroy the economies of all major Western countries while ignoring the biggest polluters of China and India. But you wouldn’t know that because you’re so brainwashed by MSNBC. And you have the audacity to talk about Fox misleading people when in this story right here they pushed the narrative of a quid pro quo and pressuring Ukraine about Biden 8 times, none of which was true.
Glad to see you picked up Androidpk’s mantle during his absence.
I invite you to respond to any of the following:
How anyone on the right justifies the following, I have no idea:
1) Being ok with Russia interfering with US elections to help Trump get elected
2) Alienating our European allies and helping out Putin and Russia's interests
3) The president enriching himself in office
4) The president hamhandedly handling trade issues
5) Ignoring the most pressing issue of the day, human-induced climate change
1. Because Trump had nothing to do with that. What Russia does is what Russia does. Hillary was a weak candidate anyways and was polled to lose even worse against "Generic Republican Candidate."
2. How is it "helping" out Russia when we are supporting Poland and working heavily to make Europe independent of Russian energy and gas? Trump told NATO members to get to work on fulfilling their treaty obligations. So far most of them are. Poland is opening a new base and wants thousands of US troops there. They even were thinking about naming it Fort Trump. So alienated.
3. He has purportedly lost a lot of money while in office.
4. He is putting China in its place. Did you know the new Mac Pros are going to be made in Texas and several other US states?
5. There is no human induced climate change. Even if there was, we're far from the top polluter. We have some of the cleanest air in the world.
1) So Trump didn't say, "Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing" in July 2016, inviting them to hack the DNC? Even if you shrug that off, how about supporting stronger election protections so that foreign powers can't interfere? Any protests to that? Because McConnell has been stonewalling it until yesterday.
2) Trump didn't spend most of his efforts at the G7 trying to get Russia reinstated as a member? https://thinkprogress.org/trump-is-l...-ae70323028a8/
3) I don't know what you're referencing here. I'm referring to the use of his properties for public purposes.
4) I actually agree that China is abusive and our trade policies need to be revised, but Trump's handled it in an extremely erratic fashion.
5) So, you disagree with 99% of scientists? Even if you somehow do justify that, do you disagree that the temperatures are rising and that we need to do something about them so that human life across the globe isn't irrevocably changed?
I'd add that your list of 5 things is HIGHLY subjective.
Seriously, why? I'm not changing your mind, and you won't change mine. I'm for debate when there is something besides wasted words, but all we'd do is show opposing opinions and nothing will change. You call things fact that I don't consider fact. I'm sure I think things as fact that you don't.
1. You really believe that was serious and he was trying to communicate with Russia? And as far as I know, Obama was President at this time. Shouldn't he have been protecting the nation from Russia interference?
2. And look at the damage done to Russia under Trump? US fuel flooding the European market is fucking Russia over. But yeah, such a Russian helper. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1HU1QK
3. As of 2018, Trump has lost 1 billion dollars since running and becoming President. You said he was enriching himself. https://www.nbcnews.com/business/bus...sident-n916221
4. Well, that be opinions.
5. I agree the climate is changing. I don't agree it is human induced.
Trump caught on tape at a fundraiser..
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“Basically, that person never saw the report, never saw the call, he never saw the call — heard something and decided that he or she, or whoever the hell they saw — they’re almost a spy,” Trump said.
“I want to know who’s the person, who’s the person who gave the whistleblower the information? Because that’s close to a spy,” he continued. “You know what we used to do in the old days when we were smart? Right? The spies and treason, we used to handle it a little differently than we do now.”
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1) I think Trump was serious, but I suppose that's a matter of opinion. However, at this direction, his campaign communicated in detail with Russia to get dirt on Clinton. The first section of the Mueller report details this situation in depth. Also, come on, trying somehow to deflect with "But Obama?!"
2) The economic situation with fuel doesn't offset Trump's support of Russia elsewhere
3) From your article: "Forbes attributed the decline of Trump's fortune to three main factors: e-commerce eating into the value of Trump's real estate holdings, the intrusion of heightened security at Trump's resorts, and Trump's own over-reporting of the size of his penthouse ..."Much as he's trying — and he's definitely trying — Donald Trump is not getting richer off the presidency," according to Forbes." None of that changes the fact that, as Forbes states in your article, Trump's been trying to enrich himself. I am glad to find out that overall it's a failure, but it doesn't excuse the attempt.
4) Sure, we can agree to disagree here.
5) I don't know where you come from in disagreeing with the entire scientific community, so I guess there's nothing to discuss here.
1. It isn't a "but Obama". You are trying to blame election security on Trump, but who was incharge there at the time?
2. Their economy is being crushed, I'd say it does. We also slaughtered a bunch of Russian Mercs in Syria.
3. He also donates his entire salary. LEt's say I even believe he is, how does this put him out of line with any previous President? Why would this just now be a problem?
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5. The entire scientific community isn't saying it is man-made. They are saying the climate is changing and there are a lot of arguments on what and why. Unfortunately the ones saying it is man-made are the loudest sort that call anyone disagreeing with them "stupid".
1. So you're saying that, despite the fact Trump encouraged Russia to help him, and Russia did, it's all Obama's fault for not forcing through better election security? Obama is to blame because he didn't stop Trump and Russia?
2. I accept that those things are happening, but they don't address the broader concern. You're fine with Trump's support of Russia in the G8, which was so strong that it led insiders to suspect he was either a Russian spy or a Russian dupe? https://www.businessinsider.com/spie...n-asset-2019-8
3. Ok, let's run with that. Even if every previous president enriched himself, for the sake of argument, should Trump?
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5. So, what about taking a practical stance on a solution, then, regardless of the cause of climate change?
Luckily I have an excellent memory and I can help clear up "argument 1". The whole Russia collusion thing was being cast about the media long before Trump, jokingly (obviously), "asked" Russia to "help him" dig up dirt during a campaign rally. The fact you think that this is some form of argument is you either being retarded or completely dishonest.
1. It was a joke. Jesus fucking Christ.
2. Like I already said, Russia is being destroy economically by Trump. I don't know what you are getting at.
3. I don't think he is. I don't see any gains made.
5. Solution to what? The world going through changes? Perhaps we should force a super volcano to go off and cool the world? What would you have us do?
Ugh. You're just ignoring things you don't like now. I guess SHM was right. As for 5, how about an infrastructure plan that will both boost jobs and help combat a changing climate? Seems like common sense, really.
I could say the same about you. Trump is somehow Russia's biggest ally, yet he is fucking their economy. That totally makes sense.
And as before, I have said I believe in climate change and that it is not man-made. There is nothing we can do to affect it. These things happen. The Earth will warm, food will become plentiful, then it will cool and historically speaking, a bunch of people will die. And this the cycle begins again.
90% of the people don’t have the intellect to understand Briarfox’s points.
You guys seem to have liked that comment about 90% of people not grasping Mueller's position. I was actually speaking in general about the reason why his report is so misinterpreted and people try to boil it down into a binary, not referring to people on the PC. I was, in fact, crediting you with the intelligence to understand the distinctions. If you want to group yourselves in that 90%, though, knock yourselves out.
I'd disagree about the 90% comment and point out that there's a lot of highly intelligent folks on the forum, but they're just looking the other way out of blind support for their elected official. You'll not change their minds and at best, you'll have nothing but Fox talking points repeated verbatim. At least Gelston's willing to engage with actual discourse, that's commendable in this political age.
"Get the hell out of the way" of what? People trying to change my life for something they can't affect? Fuck no.
I am excited about electric cars, I really am. I want one when the range and charge times are better. This psychotic "world is ending in 12 years!" and "Become vegetarian or we all die!" BS though? Hell no.
Of course not. Except you do. You're just a liar.
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As for my party, I actually see myself as an independent
How anyone on the left has a problem the following, I have no idea:Quote:
How anyone on the right justifies the following, I have no idea:
1) Being ok with Russia interfering with US elections to help Trump get elected
2) Alienating our European allies and helping out Putin and Russia's interests
3) The president enriching himself in office
4) The president hamhandedly handling trade issues
5) Ignoring the most pressing issue of the day, human-induced climate change
Wait, I do know. It's called "pulling the red blanket over your head."
1) The president taking no salary
2) Badass economy
3) All time low unemployment across the board
4) Wages up
5) Illegal immigration down
6) Other countries ponying up
7) China getting pwned
8) ISIS getting pwned
9) Hillary getting pwned
10) Calling out the climate change hoax the left is pushing for what it is
Wait, I do know. It's called "pulling the blue blanket over your head."
Golly, that was easy.
Let's also not forget how the DNC rigged the primaries and tried (but failed) to rig the general election.
The left liked Hillary, so they wouldn't enjoy #8 there.
I know it made me laugh when I was watching it.
I really just don't understand why people like Briarfox can't grasp why Trump was elected. Well, I guess it's a little too complicated for 90% of the PC to understand, but I will do my best.
This really can go back to the middle of Bush's 2nd term, the household regularity of the internet and the american voter having just been decimated by a financial crisis. Then out of no where comes a young looking black man, the first major internet savvy presidential campaign strategists and a brilliant campaign message of "Hope and Change". Obama was a political rock star like nothing since Kennedy. Ironically, it seams, everyone's idea of "Hope and Change" greatly varies.
By the end of Obama's first term there had been no meaningful change and another political movement stemmed from the internet with the Ron Paul Revolution. This mostly divided the Republicans and Obama got his second term, then the healthcare failure hit the voter hard.
The average voter has now lived through 9/11 and the impacts there of, a major financial crisis, corporate/bank bailouts at their expense at the behest of elected officials and has now been completely mislead about their required healthcare coverage.
And you're surprised, even mad, they voted in a "Don" to take on a crime syndicate that's held government power for 30 years?
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Seriously, we need to see Hunter Biden’s tax returns.
And here's the 10% that do:
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How fucking arrogant (or stupid, not really sure which) are you that you legitimately think that we can change the course of the entire planet and its position to the sun, its axis, or whatever else the fuck it's doing?
Suspend your "man made" belief for a minute with climate change, as implied by you stating "regardless of the cause of climate change."
Now come up with one very general idea on what we could do to alter the course of the planet and the way it revolves around the sun that will "fix" climate change. You can even pretend that money and resources aren't a factor.
I'll vote for any politician that says we should go 100% nuclear power plants, so long as he or she isn't outright trying to debase my other rights.
Your move, man-made climate change people.
Did you know that "whistle" or variations thereof is used in a huge number of idioms? That will be important in the coming days. If you can work a whistle idiom into your post without being too obvious, then you will sound a lot smarter than you really are.
Exactly. They made a push for people to switch to CFL light bulbs because it was better for the planet, so I switched all of my light bulbs out because it made sense. Then they pushed for LEDs for the same reasons and again I switched because again it made sense.
Then they started pushing people to buy electric lawn equipment like lawnmowers and trimmer because it was better for the planet compared to gas powered tools and I did because again it made a lot of sense.
But nothing is ever good enough for these people. Now they are calling for doing away with ACs and furnaces, increasing the costs of electricity and natural gas, restricting people eating meat or outlawing beef altogether, dramatically increasing our taxes so we can build more inefficient wind and solar farms. It's just fucking nuts and there seem to be no signs of their demands ever abating because they don't want to ever be satisfied, all they want is more and more power and you don't get that by being happy for once.
I have an electric mower. It works good enough, but the cord is fucking annoying. It is basically vacuuming the yard. I want to cordless stuff, but knowing me I'll forget to charge it.
And I do like LEDs better than even the old lights. They are far superior. I like those type of advances.
For sure LEDs are better than old fashioned incandescent bulbs, the only issue was the upfront cost but even that is hardly a problem anymore.
Also I wouldn't use an electric mower unless I had a very small yard (which unfortunately I do not), I do have a battery powered mower and it works awesome. I also switched to battery powered trimmer and edger and switched to an electric power washer. I have no more gas powered equipment, I'm doing my part!
But nnoOOooOOOooOOOo! I now have to give up beef and freeze my ass off in the winter and roast alive in the summer in my own house because these fuckers don't want to just admit that the US (both the government and its citizens) are more than doing their part in lowering their carbon footprint. We can't criticize China, India, or parts of Africa because that doesn't bode well with their white guild/white savior complexes. They must get the whities to save the world for the brown folk!
Battery powered is electric you fool!
Unfortunately not true. More efficient, longer lasting, yes. They still make loads more pollution to manufacture that we export to other countries since they aren't made in the US and the cost can be prohibitive to many still. Old plain bulbs were a buck for 4, LEDs are a good bit more than that and yes, that is still a choice some people have to make. Just another case of Leftist policies that are not thought through hurting the poorest among us. Just like the GM bailout, cash for clunkers (A massive payoff to the UAW) and Obamacare.
Reporter question: "The underlying problem here was of course Hunter Biden receiving $50,000 a month from a Ukrainian energy company. Do you think that that is evidence of corrupt behavior?"
Rep. Ted Lieu: "No. People sit on boards and they get monetary payments."
No shit people who sit on boards get monetary payments. The problem is Hunter Biden had exactly ZERO QUALIFICATIONS other than his father was VP at the time.
Holy shit the Democrats are nothing but a joke of a party now.
There is talk of keeping the "whistleblower" anonymous.
So let me get this straight; a whistleblower with no firsthand knowledge of anything they are alleging, is going to be able to level charges against Trump and testify before Congress...all anonymously?
Yup, nothing shady going on here! Is this the new standard Democrats want to implement? Not only guilty before proven innocent but now the accused doesn't even get to face their accuser?
They aren't trying to really impeach him. They want to make him look as bad as possible prior to the election.
I don't think the Dems think the Senate will indict nor do they think Trump will be removed from office.
I think they're hoping for like the 1% chance he says 'fuck this' and resigns to go back to being a rich dude and doing whatever he wants (he won't do this)
Otherwise yes they're hoping it makes him look shitty enough to help them limp Brainworms Biden across the line in 2020. They also probably feel enough pressure to at least TRY to do something given how much of the party want Trump to ever face a consequence for anything. They have to look like they're trying. They're worried about their own seats more than they're worried about Trump.
No, they are doing this so they get access to the supposed "real" dirt on him. If they can impeach him they can get at his tax returns, business dealings, etc. They'll look for anything to make him look bad in time for the election, which is why this was magically timed now, about 1 year to go before the election.
Nepotism should be illegal. Trump should get Ivanka to draft an executive order for him to sign outlawing it.
Trump-Ukraine ‘Bombshell’ Blows Up in Media’s Face — Forces Embarrassing Correction
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ABC News added a major correction to a would-be bombshell report on Wednesday that said the Trump administration required Ukraine’s president to discuss Joe Biden as a precondition to meet with President Donald Trump.
The story would have been a huge development in the saga involving a whistleblower who filed a complaint regarding a July 25 phone call between Trump and Volodymyr Zelensky, the Ukrainian leader. The whistleblower asserted in the complaint that Trump pressured Zelensky to investigate Biden’s son’s Ukrainian business dealings.
A transcript of that phone call shows that Trump brought up concerns about the Bidens, but Trump denied pressuring Zelensky on the matter.
If true, the ABC story would have called that denial into question, and given Democrats more ammunition for their push to impeach Trump.
ABC News added a major correction to a would-be bombshell report on Wednesday that said the Trump administration required Ukraine’s president to discuss Joe Biden as a precondition to meet with President Donald Trump.
The story would have been a huge development in the saga involving a whistleblower who filed a complaint regarding a July 25 phone call between Trump and Volodymyr Zelensky, the Ukrainian leader. The whistleblower asserted in the complaint that Trump pressured Zelensky to investigate Biden’s son’s Ukrainian business dealings.
A transcript of that phone call shows that Trump brought up concerns about the Bidens, but Trump denied pressuring Zelensky on the matter.
MORE: Trump Whistleblower Admits in Newly Released Complaint That Claims Are ‘Mostly’ Hearsay
If true, the ABC story would have called that denial into question, and given Democrats more ammunition for their push to impeach Trump.
But ABC’s story has several problems.
The source for the report was Serhiy Leshchenko, a former member of Ukraine’s parliament who ABC inaccurately identified as a current adviser to Zelensky.
ABC quoted Leshchenko as confirming that Trump associates told Ukrainian officials that Biden had to be a topic of discussion in order for Trump to meet Zelensky.
“Ukrainian officials were asking for a meeting with Trump for along time. As I remember, it was a clear fact that Trump wants to meet only if Biden case will be included,” Leshchenko told ABC.
“This issue was raised many times. I know that Ukrainian officials understood.”
Zelensky has since walked back his comments, saying that he did not tell ABC News that there were preconditions for a Trump-Zelensky meeting. Leshchenko later told a BBC reporter that he had learned of a possible precondition only through media reports.
ABC corrected the story to note that Leshchenko has also not been an adviser to Zelensky for months.
But ABC’s initial story left out several key details about Leshchenko that would have raised questions about his thoughts on U.S.-Ukraine relations, and of Trump.
Nellie Ohr testified to Congress on Oct. 19, 2018, that Leshchenko was a source of information for Fusion GPS, the opposition research firm that gathered dirt on Trump on behalf of the DNC and Clinton campaign. Ohr, who worked as a contractor for Fusion GPS, was unable to describe how the information made its way from Leshchenko to Fusion GPS.
Leshchenko told The Daily Caller News Foundation on Wednesday that he has no recollection of meeting anyone from Fusion GPS, but he could not rule out that he provided information to someone who worked for the firm without identifying their employer.
Representatives from Fusion GPS acknowledged receiving a request for comment about Leshchenko back in February, but did not respond with comment at the time.
Leshchenko is also no fan of Trump or Rudy Giuliani, who has led a one-man campaign to dig up dirt in Ukraine on the Bidens.
Leshchenko is best known for his role in pushing the controversial “black ledger” that purportedly shows illicit payments that Ukrainian officials made to Paul Manafort when he was a consultant for Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych.
Leshchenko helped publicize the document after it was reported by The New York Times in August 2016. That story led to Manafort’s ouster from the campaign, but the longtime political consultant has long claimed the document is a forgery.
Leshchenko has denied that the ledger is a fake, but its legitimacy still remains in limbo.
“A Trump presidency would change the pro-Ukrainian agenda in American foreign policy,” Leshchenko told the Financial Times days after the ledger was published.
“For me, it was important to show not only the corruption aspect, but that he is [a] pro-Russian candidate who can break the geopolitical balance in the world.”
Poor Alfster, he fell for it.
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I wrote Pelosi and my congressional rep that I would be a single issue voter on this. While I did not vote for Trump in 2016, I damn sure am in 2020. I'm also going to vote down party lines against every democratic candidate that has supported impeachment, which would be my rep.
I'm sure that'll sway their opinion entirely.
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She STILL can't get over it.
Trump mentions investigating Biden for corruption to Ukraine.
Democrats: OMG! Trump is trying to make one of his politician rivals look bad to give him a better chance at winning in 2020! IMPEACH!!
Almost every single Democrat candidate calls for Trump to be impeached, which would almost guarantee they win if he’s removed from office and they are the Democrat candidate.
Democrats: crickets
Trump may turn out to not even be a 1 term president. Imagine achieving the highest office in the world then screwing up so badly you actually get thrown out. Talk about biggest loser. Trump's problem is he cheats because he thinks everyone else cheats then when he gets caught says well everybody cheats. Trump is wrong. Not everyone cheats. Not everyone is corrupt. Corrupt cheaters are losers.
The problem is that the republican party stopped being the party that serves the conservative voter and became the party that serves the corporate donor. The heads of the corporations, the 1%, want us fighting each other so we are distracted from exercising our democratic votes to level out the playing field which will mean less for their bottom line. They like not paying taxes and are willing to watch the world burn from their bunkers to keep that money.
Only way it happens is if somehow there’s so much dirt that the GOP senators decide they have to save their own skins. No sign of that so far, though there is talk of a bunch of different politically sensitive conversations hidden on that classified server improperly. Dems are going to go after that hard.
Just fuck you already.
Trump is the one who got me excited to vote for the first time in my life. It was always "Different party, same shit." Sure little things changed here and there, but for the most part both parties just maintained the status quo.
Trump is the first president to actually do what he said he was going to do. He is the first president to actually care about the American people rather than the corporate overlords and "let's not hurt our allies' precious fee fees!"
This is why Democrats hate him so much and why the media tears him down every chance they get. They don't want a real successful president that is a REPUBLICAN! Can't have that now! Only Democrats can be successful presidents! Sure, find me one that cares as much for America as Trump does and will do they what they say they are gonna do then I'll vote for a Democrat.
:rofl: You think Trump gives a shit about you or the American public? Trump ran for the presidency as a branding exercise, won through pure bullshit and obfuscation, convinced himself that it was due to his amazing genius, and has been bumbling around like a bull in a China shop ever since. The problem is that the China shop is full of things like a sustainable future, democratic principles, and human rights.
You just repeat shit CNN shoves down your gullible throat.
A "branding" exercise? The Trump brand was already one of the most widely recognized all over the world, now thanks to self indulged morons such as yourself his brand has been tarnished as racist and homophobic.
Trump is the one talking about bringing back American jobs, drilling for more oil and gas so we can be energy independent for the first time in decades, is the first president to take on China a country that BOTH sides have said plays dirty but you wouldn't know that watching MSNBC for your news.
Trump sticks up for the military and police, this after 8 years of Obama doing everything in his power to shit all over the military and the police.
But yeah, some moron who doesn't even know the simplest of things in the Mueller report is gonna say :rofl: and convince me none of that is true.
He won through "pure bullshit and obfuscation"? What the fuck does that even mean? Do you know the words you use, or much like political topics you know nothing about you look up words in a thesaurus and think "That looks like a fancy word! I use that one!"
Bumbling around like a bull in a China shop? Let's see...
First president since CONGRESS voted to move our Israel embassy to Jerusalem to actually move our embassy.
Economy is on fire.
Unemployment is down.
Trump is sticking it to Russia and China.
He has managed to get parts of the wall built, this is with Paul Ryan stymying his efforts then the Democrats stonewalling his efforts afterwads.
Got a lot of our NATO allies to increase their military funding, again something that many presidents have tried and failed to do.
Cut back a lot on useless and costly federal regulations, which is partly what helped spur economic growth and job hiring.
Gave us two awesome supreme court justices.
Got us out of the worthless Paris accord.
Got us out of the useless TPP, something both Sanders AND Hillary wanted to do too, as well as major labor unions, but as soon as Trump does it then it's bad!
And that's all just off the top of my head.
But I get it, Briarfox, you're so used to failing in life that when you see success you don't know how to process it.
Sadly, you have been radicalized and can't see how backwards your statements are. Unfortunately you and many others like you have been tricked into believing false equivalencies by corporate hired con men using strawman arguments, distractions, distortions, doubts, and outright lies to tap into your fears to keep you doing their bidding.
Remember when everyone thought cigarettes had no connection to cancer because the tobacco companies hired people to say cigarettes had no connection to cancer? Same thing is happening now but with climate change, the economy, and social programs.
Democrats: This is a cover up! If Trump has nothing to hide then he should release the transcript!
Trump releases the transcript.
Democrats: Yeah, well, the transcript is meaningless! It doesn't prove anything! Trump is still engaging in a cover up because he won't release the whistleblower complaint!
Trump releases the whistleblower complaint.
Democrats: Still doesn't prove anything! What about the Ukrainian presid...
Ukrainian president: Trump did not pressure me, it was a normal phone call.
Democrats: Impeach the motherfucker anyway!!!
Back and Briarfox: All of the evidence is there! Trump is fucked!
Here comes Backrash, going full retard.
You're the one who offered to refute my points but insisted you wouldn't because it would "have no impact" on me. When I say it would have an impact you do what Democrat shills do best, deflect like your life depended on it.
How much does CNN pay you to watch their shit and parrot back their talking points like a good little puppet? I can't imagine it's very much.
You're laughing, but I'm betting it's a lot closer to hysteria than amusement. The only accurate thing you cited was the major Unions backing the two big Democrats last year. Exactly what they feared would happen with an ultra conservative court happened, Union's were dealt a hammering blow with the opinion on dues.
Only now that we've seen the middle class disappear and no substantive movement on a national minimum wage, we'll see how that pans out for the backwoods Republicans.
I don't know what's worse, Briarfox being your typical know-nothing liberal who likes to pretend he knows it all and when video evidence and recorded documents prove he's wrong he then suggests he's just smarter than 90% of the people who don't understand.
Or you who apparently can't even read a simple English sentence because that's not even close to what I said.
Everyone knows that an impeachment of a president is an undoing of a national election. And one of the reasons we all feel so angry about what they are doing is that they are ripping asunder our votes. They are telling us our votes don't count, and that the election must be set aside.
The global corporate overlords want us fighting each other so we don't call them out. They know climate change is real. They know it will impact millions of poor people. They want to secure borders all over the world so the millions of people affected by climate change will have no where to go and die off. All so they can live in their underground bunkers full of gold surrounded by people who have been fooled into protecting them.
Heh. I feel vindicated by the fact that you think I know nothing. You know they call it the liberal elite for a reason, right? I’m going to give you one guess as to who’s going to write the history books and what will be the general opinion of Trump in 20 years. Rage around all you like about it.
You feel "vindicated" because you have proven time and time again in this thread alone you know nothing of which you speak?
You were wrong when you said the Mueller report didn't clear Trump of the Russian collusion nonsense.
You were wrong about the Mueller report stating the only reason they didn't charge Trump with a crime was because they couldn't, I even provided a video of Mueller explaining this in simple terms that an imbecile like you could understand and you still insisted you were right.
You sit here and claim you can easily refuse the many points I brought up a few posts back yet you won't. Why? Because you know nothing.
But sure, you'll throw around terms like "90% of people just don't understand", and "I'm part of the liberal elite" so maybe you can impress naive people such as Back and Seran and the your fellow "liberal elites" that sniff their own farts along with you, but that shit don't fly with me.
The fact that you brag that "liberal elites" are going to be the ones who shit all over Trump in history books just proves what I said about you earlier: the only reason you got your teaching job was because you insisted you were the biggest communist who hated America and Democracy more than any other candidate for the same position.
Nice self own, Briarfox.
I didn't think anything could top his "this conclusion is too complex for 90% of people to follow" from yesterday, but now he comes along and refers to himself as part of the "liberal elite" who will be writing our history books in 20 years.
He really is an insufferable asshole.
This is what I recall him saying years ago. Not sure if I'm remembering right or if he's still a teacher, but that's my recollection.
Then again he might be pulling an Obama and by "teacher" he just means he was a TA that the professor allowed to teach a class or two or something.
Oh yeah, you're another one of those "I'm really an Independent" just like Briarifox aren't ya?
I just don't understand, why is it so shameful to just admit you have political convictions and you aren't afraid of admitting it?
I feel no shame in saying I learn towards the conservative side of the aisle. Does this mean I agree with everything Republicans do and say? Of course not. Do I agree with them more than Democrats? Yup, especially since the left has gone completely crazy since they lost the 2016 election.
For less than a year until Cheney became the Vice President since it was a 50/50 split. If you want to be more accurate and say Republicans lost 4 net seats following impeachment, well I'd say that's more accurate. However they also had 5 more seats in contention in far more competitive races.
Nope, I'm a convert from the Republican party interestingly enough. George W and the social conservatism of the Tea Party was enough for me.
11 months actually and yes. Is it requirement to memorize which committee or district is represented by whom? I don't believe it is.
No it's not a requirement but we're not just talking about some random Democrat in the House. Jerry Nadler has been the one spearheading almost all of these investigations into impeaching Trump. It just blows my mind that a Democrat who has been hanging on every word regarding impeachment and yet has no idea who Jerry Nadler is.
I guess you don't really care about the facts or who is even pushing for impeachment, just as long as someone is pushing for impeachment.
If that helps you sleep at night, sure.
In reality there's not been feasible grounds for impeachment despite Mueller's less than subtle hints about Congress's role in checks and balances. Democrat's weren't going to be anymore successful with an obstruction of justice impeachment than the Republican's were against Clinton. Until now that is.
Apparently the intelligence community made a change to whistleblower complaints within the last year. Before a whistleblower needed firsthand knowledge of what they are alleging if they wanted their complaints to reach Congress. The change no longer makes this a requirement, allowing anyone who "heard from a person who heard from a person" or who "read it in the news" to allege wrongdoing and testifying before Congress.
By any means necessary, right, Seran?
You apparently don't understand the process for removing an official from office. The House impeached, like what happened to Clinton. The Senate then decides whether to convict or not. Conviction generally means removal from office. He wasn't convicted. He was impeached. Republicans were 100% effective in impeaching Bill Clinton. They were not successful in securing a conviction and removing him from office.
If the only goal was embarrassing the sitting president, then yes Republicans were 100% successful. If you look at the fact their own rank and file members of the Senate couldn't agree with the counts proposed by their House comrades, then you are 150% wrong. I'll be interested to see with the current impeachment inquiry how folks will vote once the evidence is presented.
What else is left? Sure maybe Democrats keep saying there is more, but so far all they have talked about is the whistleblower complaint and the phone call, both of which we have seen.
Schiff (you know who that is, right Seran?) claimed for 3 years he had super duper secret evidence that Trump did collude, then as soon as the Mueller report dropped saying Trump didn't collude he just shrugged off his lies and immediately moved onto the next talking point.
"We have to impeach Trump before you find out what he did!"
You are the literal definition of a useful idiot.
The American people SHOULDN'T know why our duly elected president is being impeached? Are you for real?
On a related note.
Democrats: If Kavanaugh has nothing to hide he should welcome an investigation!
Democrats: If Trump has nothing to hide he should welcome an investigation!
Democrats: Biden is innocent! Investigating him is grounds for impeachment!
Your sarcasm aside, you just named exactly how a criminals investigation works.
Prosecutors don't lay out their cases to anyone but the Grand Jury or a Judicial Officer to grant the scope of their investigation. Once the investigation is concluded, then charges are levied in a public indictment.
In an impeachment inquiry, evidence is gathered and the House acts as Grand Jury to vote on whether evidence is sufficient for prosecution.
I really shouldn't have to explain this, you should remember it from Government in highschool.
We're not talking about a criminal investigation, we are talking about an impeachment process.
Maybe you have forgotten this during your transition from Republican to Democrat, but these are ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES. We elect them into office to represent us.
If they are talking about impeaching a duly elected president they damn well should be telling us what they have.
Why do you enjoy your liberal bukakke so much?
Yes you fool, part of the impeachment process involves an investigation. If you're capable of reading, I recommend research before you open your hole again.
Here's a good start-
https://www.senate.gov/reference/res...pdf/98-806.pdf
Remember how literally everyone on the PC including the leftist ones thinks you’re the absolute biggest retard to ever post here?
You have some new competition, but I have no doubt you’ll remain at the top of the bottom.
Keep posting because it’s funny, just don’t forget how much of a butthurt tard you are.
Democrats: The president is a lawless hooligan and we must impeach him to save America and democracy!!!
2 days later.
Democrats: Okay we're bored with this, let's take a 2 week vacation!
Anyone still believing this shit is legit has to have some serious mental problems.
Anyone else notice that every single liberal rag around the world that publishes an article on this story includes this byline? It's word for word, standalone between paragraphs in every single article. Found thus far in BBC, France24, CNN, CBC (Canada), DW (Germany), and more. Every story has this same conclusion stated after describing the so-called Trump 'allegations', but never a single sentence about how that conclusion was reached. Hmm.
"There is no evidence of wrongdoing by Joe or Hunter Biden."
Perhaps because that evidence requires an investigation in order to be found?
This information war is global.
I noticed that too. Democrats and their media lapdogs just keep repeating that line as if there was an investigation and Biden was cleared. It's when MSNBC cut away from Trump speaking because Trump was talking about Biden's actions too and MSNBC anchor said "No no, Trump is lying! There is no evidence of wrongdoing by Biden!"
It's why it's laughable that people like Briarfox says the media isn't biased and CNN is "moderate."
An unbiased, neutral media source would not state this:
"There is no evidence of wrongdoing by Joe or Hunter Biden."
Instead:
"No evidence to suggest wrongdoing by Joe or Hunter Biden has been found."
Basically because it's the globalists verses the nationalists.
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Scientists say the asteroid that slammed into the Earth that wiped out the dinosaurs was the equivalent of 10 billion atomic bombs going off.
And yet not only did the planet survive but there are still some animals around today that were around back then. But gullible fools like Back think humans are going to destroy the entire planet because we eat a cheeseburger.
I didn't say anything about the worlds problems or the Jews. I'm for the the Jews having their own nation state, with their own government and it's people freely electing it's government. I don't blame the Jews for the worlds problems either. This still doesn't change that there's a going effort to create a global tax.
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Let's just say you were right for the first time ever.... what specifically did I say that was anti-Semitic?Quote:
Nice casual anti-semitism there.