Why can't they both share the crown?
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In the 1991 Clarence Thomas nomination hearings, the public's perception of the nomination was that it was about whether or not Anita Hill was telling the truth. With no evidence other than her own testimony and with a presumption of innocence in favor of the accused, the public and the Senate sided with Thomas.
Prior to the publication of this accusation against Kavanaugh, the public was evenly split on Kavanaugh's nomination. If the public comes to view the nomination as a ruling on the credibility of the accuser, then public opinion could quickly shift in Kavanaugh's favor.
On the other hand, if the public views the accuser as being treated unfairly by Republicans, then that could have an impact on the upcoming elections.
For their own protection, Republican Senators should give the accuser a fair hearing. If she has nothing other than her own testimony, then a hearing will also benefit Kavanaugh.
The old rules are gone. We're in new territory. Not to mention the differences.
1) Thomas was accused of harassment on the job
2) Kavanaugh's accused of attempted rape/sexual assault while still in H.S.
3) There was no MeToo for Hill. Harrasment was more accepted.
4) The GOP is a different animal today than then. There's no pretense of fairness or decency and like it or not Trump's their leader and willing to say any and all kinds of shit which they will excuse.
5) There's no longer any perception that SCOTUS is non-partisan.
We're in something of a winner take all culture war. The Kavanaugh appointment is get out of jail free card for trump and the republicans aren't afraid of scorched earth tactics to get ahead. He'd have to rape Melania on the steps of congress for them to turn him down.
If we're lucky he'll withdraw his name from consideration and we're back to the drawing board.
At this point putting forth his name for a vote is risky, especially now with Flake speaking out.
I don't know man. These senators have spoken out before but they still vote party line. Collins got duped like a dipshit and Flake talks a big game but votes trump's agenda. IMO, might makes right in American politics and that's especially true today. The right's playing for keeps and they consistently act as if the shoe will never be on the other foot.
Agreed. I'm not sure how long Flake will actually hold out, but if the committee takes a vote and can't move him forward- it'll be a huge blow and will lead to the kind of negative press cycle that could kill some enthusiasm in right-leaning independent voters who are already feeling iffy about Congressional Republicans.
And right now Red state Democrats are desperately looking for an excuse to vote no while Collins and Murkowski are in full-on risk aversion mode and could see this issue as the straw the broke the camel's back, as it were.
Though the thing I'd most be worried about if I were them is pushing him forward two months before an election that is already showing a huge enthusiasm boost among white suburban women who have largely turned against the GOP. There are several critical Senate races and dozens of House races that are looking to be razor thin right now. Another 1 or 2 points shifted in favor of the Dems could be enough to do serious damage to their ability to hold on to the House (though that's already looking like a bit of a lost cause) and the Senate.
Of course, on the flip side of this- the post-election lame duck period is going to completely remove any pressure on Red state Dems to vote yes (regardless of how their elections go) and on Collins/Murkowski to vote yes.
That's ambitious for the Democrat party. It seems like they don't have any strategy at all. There are more than enough issues for them to be hammering. Things like voting rights, corruption in trumps cabinet, booming national debt because of tax cuts and trump's fucked up tweeting. The sun is shining and they can't make hay. It's like they're afraid of success.
Or even this little chart (which seems out of date) Attachment 9168 There are so many varied and unsavory things they could capitalize on but they fail to get the message out. I'm starting to think they/we need an Avenatti. At least he's willing to fight back.
Certainly yes.
Though one thing I'll point out here- so far what we've seen of Kavanaugh is potential perjury and rape. This isn't your typical "dirty laundry". These are (or should be) serious concerns.
Unfortunately the partisan nature of everything right now means that the GOP is more than happy to overlook "little" things like these if it lets them have a Supreme Court that's willing to gut civil rights laws, stomp on voting rights, and to keep dark money in politics.
A delay in the vote = more time for documents to come out. It isn't looking good.
I don't see that it will matter much. Can they delay it for two years and hope to get a Dem elected to replace trump? On a side note, I'd love to know what kind of conversations went on with Kennedy's retirement. There's only rumor of impropriety and I don't believe it will go any further than rumor. There was also a biopic about RBG recently. I'm surprised she survived it. LOL It seems like people die just before their movie comes out but all jokes aside we have to be prepared that she's not got much longer on the bench.
She'll step down after 2020 when a Dem is POTUS. Obama can take her spot.
Ew...is he hearing her...
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Oh yes, what great political insight. "DUR DURR DUR DURRR! Ginsburg is gonna retire in 2020 when we have a Democrat president and Obama is gonna take her place! DDUUUUURRRRR!!"
It is seriously like watching retards compete to see who can out retard each other with you 3.
I know the political forums have always been heated on the PC (like they are in most places) but you three have single handedly turned it into the biggest shitshow ever. It's impossible to have an actual discussion about anything anymore because you three aren't interested in discussions at all and just shit all over these threads with your outright racist, sexist Nazi like posts all the while insisting you're really the good guys because you support Democrats and it's those other guys who are the racists because they are throwing the "okay" symbol around like a bunch of white supremacists.
Yet I bet if you put it to a vote you guys would come out on top as the most toxic posters in the politics section. You offer nothing up but the same old repeated lies and personal insults.
Look at the sociopath have an answer for everything.
So why is it Methais' fault you were cyber stalking him and threatening to get him fired from his job?
Look at this guy try to act all innocent. Just because the far left Democrats of the forum are willing to overlook your shitty past doesn't mean everyone is.
Methais, Tgo. Two people that disagree with you because of your past actions. Also, you can't claim to be offended by behavior and have done that behavior in the past. You are either better than the person in question and ignoring the insults or you are beneath that person and play victim at your leisure. That's unhealthy. Quit it.
Given the propensity these people have for gross exaggeration and outright lies when it comes to their personal attacks, I find it hard to take anything they say seriously.
I don't think attacking PK for rightfully pointing out that Tgo is engaging- yet again- in a series of trolling responses in an effort to derail a political conversation he isn't comfortable with is an example of particularly strong prioritization.
Since Androidpk is defending his actions of calling Parkbandit a pedophile because of something Bobmuthol said let's also not forget that Bobmuthol said Androidpk took sexually took advantage of a young woman while she was going through mental and emotional problems. What a class act, pk. Surely you're better than me because you've turned to the Democrat side. You're just lucky time4fun's hatred of Trump is greater than her hatred of sexual predators or else you would have zero people on the PC sticking up for you.
What a laugh. Serious question, time4fun, what "political conversation" is taking place here? 99% of the political folder now is you three morons going back and forth and the other political folder regulars just mocking you all for being so dumb because we have all had enough of your outright bullshit.
I can see that but let's go back a few seconds, please.
In the logic of "insults are not constructive", you are again, guilty of being lower than your expectations and hence, you contribute nothing. If you truly don't approve of that behavior, stop being so guilty of it. My recollection is fine and yes, I was out of line for calling you a bitch. I'm sorry.
THAT'S THE WAY TO DO IT!
Just when we thought you wouldn't have a chance at the belt, you nailed this obvious lack of self awareness right to the groin!
Well done...
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I don't think attacking PK for rightfully pointing out that Tgo is engaging- yet again- in a series of trolling responses in an effort to derail a political conversation he isn't comfortable with is an example of particularly strong prioritization.
A lot.
Hey, time4fun, since you always believe the woman now, what do you think about the allegations against Androidpk that he took advantage of a young and vulnerable woman who was going through emotional and mental issues at the time? Let me guess, as per usual, Democrats get a pass?
Why are you okay with Androidpk being a racist, sexist, bigoted, homephobe (your words)? Is it again because you give Democrats a pass?
See this is why all you morons get in response anymore is ridicule, because you have no political opinions. You have exactly zero to offer in an actual discussion. You're just in "I Hate Trump" mode and anyone who supports Trump is a far right, bible thumping raging racist and anyone who hates Trump gets a pass for literally the most abhorrent of actions and words, shit you would throw the biggest of bitch fits about if a Republican did or said those things.
You are a political hack. You know next to nothing about any subject you "participate" in. You get your "facts" directly from political pundits with little to no research done on your own.
Now I'm insulted.
So anyway, getting things back on track....
So Feinstein has referred this to the FBI, but none of the articles I've read have addressed the issue of the statute of limitations on sexual assault in California. Historically, the SOL was 10 years on rape in California.
So initially I was somewhat skeptical of this FBI referral having any real impact. After all, it's been far longer than 10 years since the alleged incident.
Nonetheless, I did some digging, and it does look as though California removed the statute of limitations on aggravated rape quite some time ago. I'm embarrassed to say that I actually wasn't aware of this.
So that kills off a major argument against waiting for the FBI. The other argument-which is a legitimate one- is that the FBI isn't in the business of telling people when an investigation has ended and what the results were (unless it's through an indictment). So I'm not exactly sure how this is supposed to translate into a concrete timeline.
I thought it happened in Maryland?
Speaking of people changing the subject when things get uncomfortable. I bet it is pretty uncomfortable knowing you are defending someone right here on the PC who is accused of sexual misconduct all the while acting so righteously indignant about the accusation against Kavanaugh.
The same person you are now defending that just a year ago you were calling a racist, sexist, bigoted homophobe. Just how much does pk cost you in food every month?
I'm thinking the referral to the FBI was just to update his background information file.
Troll some more Tgo, it's all you got.
Those aren't tough questions because they're not based on reality and certainly not based on any evidence I've seen.
But it's hilarious to watch someone who supports Trump- someone who has been accused of sexual assault by DOZENS of women- asking someone why they're defending someone accused of sexual assault.
By the way- given you are so deeply stupid that you've quoted several fake news sites in the last year, I don't know that you have any stones to throw at this point.
The evidence came from Bobmuthol, a poster here who Androidpk says we should take seriously.
Which "evidence" have you seen in regards to Kavanaugh that makes you believe his accuser?
Also YOU called Androidpk a racist, sexist, bigoted homophobe. These are words you used. Why do you now find him acceptable?
Answer these simple questions, time4fun.
She is guilty of 18 U.S. Code § 1924 - Unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or material. This is not even in debate, the e-mails clearly show she compromised classified material but was given a pass by James Comey. I feel certain you do not see any issue with it, but that does mean she did not commit a crime.
3 Republicans now calling for a delay in the vote.
I agree that this needs to be delayed and hearings heald. If it's found that this is all a political stunt people need to be jailed.
Quoted for when you try to scrub this in the future.
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I don't know exactly how they can investigate anything here. It is purely a he said she said thing. Unless they invent a time machine or something there probably is 0 evidence. Feinstein has had this letter since July, but she decided to wait until now to talk about it. Why didn't she question him during the hearings?
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.@AndrewRestuccia and I called many of Kavanaugh's 65 female HS acquittances who signed a letter supporting him. After his accuser came out on Sunday, only TWO said they still stood by him. More than two dozen didn't respond, and two declined to comment.
Meanwhile others are looking skeptically at the big production made about his coaching girls basketball. I think everyone assumed this was to push back on the idea that he'll rewind women's rights but considering that they had the letter ready to go immideately upon the accusation surfacing makes me wonder what they knew and when they knew it.
I don't know why but am assuming she knew it was a weapon and she deployed it for maximum effect. That's the cynic in me. Or maybe she was torn about it knowing that Ford would get put the wringer for having been sexually assaulted and she waited to see if it was necessary. I do know that it doesn't really matter. They're going to have to deal with Kavanaugh's attempted rape allegations.
Yeah, treason..
Look how angry the incels get at the woman. If she's lying people should go to jail!!!! What if she isn't lying and he tried to rape her? Has that possibility even come to mind.
There are some legitimate explanations here- not the least of which would be the need to do some research on the accuser and the circumstances to make sure there were no red flags here. Also working with the accusser to make sure she was okay with the referral, etc. It's reasonable to expect that she may have needed some time to think over all of the potential steps in this process.
The more cynical interpretation is that she was waiting as long as she could to make this an effective delay.
I'm guessing both are accurate to some extent
Again with the reading comprehension.
You do realize that he's referring to words that you yourself have said to PK right? It's quoted on here somewhere. I'm gonna assume you haven't pkscrubbed your old shitposts like a little bitch too, but it was quoted recently anyway. And you know this. You just deflect like always because you're always full of shit.
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Is PK really trying to deny that any of this bullshit happened?
What a fucking mongoloid. :lol:
"If I delete the posts and pretend nothing happened then no one will have proof even though it was quoted 47832042 times!" -PK logic
You guys just can't get enough of your manufactured conspiracies.
Are you saying you didn't go out of your way on at least two separate occasions to find out where I work, threaten to try and get me fired, and then threaten to subpoena the PC if you got banned?
Are you saying this didn't happen, despite several screenshots and quotes? The fact that you failed so miserably at all of it is irrelevant.
Then the "I'll dox him to Antifa" shit that you walked later back "lol I was just trolling guys!"
But yes, tell us what conspiracy is being manufactured here, and why there are literally screenshots of you doing what you're saying we're manufacturing.
What an extreme loser you are. :lol:
Is this manufactured and not said by you?
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How did I try to get you fired? By posting stuff on the pc? Are you threatened by my posting on the pc?
Trolls can't stand when people troll them back. Noted.
Look at this little whiny bitch trying to pretend he was "just trolling" now.
I just want the record to reflect that I was correct in how Androidpk would handle his latest meltdown.
He's going to pretend it didn't happen and just keep posting like a retard.
Make that 4 Republicans in Congress saying delay the vote, with Roy Blunt speaking out now. The floodgates are opening. Trump should have listened to Mitch.
A point that is being made is that usually in cases like this it isn't a one off thing. There would be several others coming forward showing a pattern of misconduct. This guy has no history of this and as of yet no one else has come forward.
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Started with that. You failed miserably. You then threatened to have your pretend pro-bono lawyer subpoena the PC to obtain IP records from Kranar of people who hurt your little bitch made feelings.
You kept trying to find where I worked, listed another place you thought I worked at. Failed again.
You got the fuck roasted out of you on here and disappeared in shame.
Some people started thinking that maybe you realized what a piece of shit you are and discovered some self respect.
A week or two later you showed back up and reminded us that we should have known better.
You never stopped stating your intent that you were going to "get me fired" throughout all of this, and you were in serious business mode.
You then at some point implied doxing me to Antifa. Which would have been hilarious. I'm guessing you just kept failing to get the info you were after and/or realized how fucking stupid that would be for you to do, and then gave up on everything, but not before LUL I WAS JUST TROLLING GUYS!!!!1
The funniest part is I was telling Gelston at the very beginning of this, when you were still in I R GET U FIRED AND GONNA SUBPOENA KRANAR!!!!!!1 mode something along the lines of "Watch, after he fails at all of this and makes a complete fucking retard out of himself, at some point after he'll come back with LULZ I WAS JUST TROLLNG GUYS & U TOOK TEH BAIT!!!!!
You continue to prove how predictable you are.
And you're a worse liar than this guy:
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But keep being a nutless little bitch like literally everyone here knows you are, because we need something to laugh at when cwolff and time4fun aren't spreading their diarrhea all over the place.
God damn you're pathetic.
And stupid.
And uncreative.
And a shitty liar.
And a loser.
And pathetic again, just because.
But at least your extreme stupidity is entertaining, so there's that.
Not really. First, it's not true that it's usually (>50%) a repeated behavior. It's more accurate to say it's often (>1%) part of a pattern of behavior. It's entirely possible that after the alleged incident, he was so scarred by what he did that he got help or vowed never to let that happen again. He's certainly showing no remorse right now, but his remorse could be incredibly costly to his career. So that could be a motivation.
But the real issue here is what women who step forward end up having to go through in cases like these. There's a LOT to lose by stepping forward and potentially not a lot to gain- you yourself pointed out that the odds of them getting any evidence beyond he said/she said for a crime committed so long ago are slim. The invariable death threats to her and her family, the potential problems with getting jobs in the future, and even all of the well-intentioned but incredibly uncomfortable outpouring of sympathy. Plus having to watch your name used and abused by both sides in the news cycle. We do not treat victims of sexual assault well- particularly when they're accusing powerful men.
So even if it is repeated behavior, that doesn't mean that a lot of other women are suddenly going to step forward.
It sheds doubt on her assertion that the event happened. The timing is very, very convenient. Another guy that was at the party also said he had no recollection of this happening.
He isn't showing any remorse because he said it didn't happen.
It doesn't put doubt on anything. At all. In no way shape or form can you doubt her word because he's not been accused of raping other women. What's that other guy know? Kavanaugh didn't come downstairs and brag about trying to rape her?
I don't know what happened between them and I'm not sure I care. It was a long time ago and doesn't necessarily make Kavanaugh a monster. I do know that she's been in therapy for it, told her therapist and her husband about it, went to the WaPo when his name was being circulated and contacted her congressional representation. There's no reason in the world to doubt her story and it's a disgrace that you spread this trash.
That's probably the best summation of it. On top of all the other B.S., now he's an accused attempted rapist. No wonder the WH rolled out his nomination with all that talk and a think a photo op with his girls basketball team.
He also has a lengthy record of communications from working in the White House and there's no good reason why that can't be reviewed either.
I don't automatically believe a person just because they make an accusation. This shit is high level politics and I don't put it past anyone to lie about stuff to stop or impede the process. We'll see how her testimony goes.
Don't have Arlen Specter this time though.
I agree with this. There's credible evidence that he lied under oath- and specifically about using emails that were illicitly stolen from the DNC in what would amount to a cyber crime today. And now there's credible evidence of aggravated rape.
At this point, he really should withdraw. It's actually highly unlikely he could get 50 votes now anyway.
As to whether or not the GOP is actually going to push for it- that's iffy. The GOP fear is going to be that if they have to deal with a new nominee, it'll end up effectively pushing the vote back to after the elections- which is then easily pushed back until the end of the year. There aren't actually all that many legislative days left in the year (though legislative days are often longer than a day- it's a whole weird thing).
The concern is going to be that the already fired up Democrats are going to flood the polls if the nomination process looks like it might get kicked back until January. The GOP is heavily favored to keep control of the Senate, but there are several key races that are VERY close right now. Something like this could tilt things in favor of the Democrats.
Of course, as I pointed out before, pushing Kavanaugh through could also end up wasting time, could turn white suburban women against the GOP even more heavily, and there's still a significant chance he won't actually be confirmed. So that, in and of itself, could cause their worst-case scenario to happen.
They're not faced with a lot of great options right now.
Are you defending him? Fuck that guy. He's trash. No need for you to step up for him especially considering all the shit you all talk to me, T4f and Pk about defending each other. You're not the only one though. Forty was white knighting for PB the other day. Imagine that? Defending Pb. SMH
Jesus Christ. Look at how Drudge was attacking her. Then they figured out they smeared the wrong Ford. And people wonder why women don't want to go through this by coming forward.Quote:
Editor's Note: We apologize for the error, but we've since learned there are two Christine Fords working in clinical psychology in California and we wrote this report about the wrong Christine Ford. We regret not going to greater lengths to ensure this was indeed the same Christine Ford. Please do not share this article with anyone (and if you have, delete it/withdraw it); we are only leaving the page up so you can see this important update.
'Something's Wrong with Her': Christine Ford's Students Savage Her in Reviews [STORY RETRACTED]
Brett Kavanaugh's formerly anonymous accuser, Christine Blasey Ford, has come forward. She's a professor in the Social Work Department at California State University - Fullerton. Many interested in learning more about who Ford is have come across her students' reviews on RateMyProfessors.com.
They're ... not good.
Overall, she scores 2.3 out of 5 (a failing grade if the roles were reversed). The reviews span from 2010 - 2014, which rules out students tampering with her reviews as part of the current Kavanaugh controversy.
"Christine ford is the worst educator I have ever experienced," one student wrote. "Avoid taking her class and avoid any interaction with this person. I feel like she has something wrong with her and I am surprised no one has caught this. Also avoid fullerton's MSW program as long as she is there."
Former Republican lawmaker Joe Walsh tore into President Trump’s eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., for mocking Senate Democrats over their reaction to sexual misconduct accusations made against Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh.
“No matter your take on the accusations against Brett Kavanaugh, I think we all can agree that @DonaldJTrumpJr is an uncaring, narrow-minded idiot,” Walsh said of Trump Jr.
Walsh’s response came after Trump Jr. mocked Senate Democrats and Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) for their response to allegations that Kavanaugh sexually assaulted a woman in the 1980s.
Tell me about all this harassment you've suffered from me for all these years. No seriously, because up until you went all TDS unhinged retard, I've barely ever said shit to you, including during the fiascos over what you did to Gnome Rage, how you fucked over msconstrew, how you siphoned off diethx, etc. Worst case I gave you shit over complaining about listening to her masturbate, because who the fuck wouldn't?
The only difference is you got butthurt after your TDS kicked in and my name was already posted somewhere on here from years ago, so you took that and tried to go all Magnum PK, except you failed miserably at it, because you don't have any info on anyone else who has caused you butthurt over your own stupidity. And if on here isn't where you got my name from, then that just makes you even more of a creepy fuck.
The fact that you're trying to spin this into you somehow being a victim despite you having fucked over multiple people from here in real life, is astounding. Only an absolute true piece of shit of all pieces of shit would try to spin that and expect the people who witnessed all your shit over the years to buy into it.
What happened, did your pretend pro-bono lawyer tell you how stupid your threats and failed attempts were and that you should go back and scrub your shitbag posts? Or was it just your general mental instabilities kicking in again?
Fucking idiot. :lol:
The "supporting documentation" is shit SHE said. Accusations are NOT evidence. Accusations have to be supported by evidence. Accusations are accusations.
You are basically saying that just because someone says something, that there is evidence that what they said happened. That isn't how this works.
Which parts are "made up?"
The part where you on at least two occasions looked me up and "found out" where I worked and threatened to contact them to get me fired?
The part where you fucked over Gnome Rage?
The part where you fucked over msconstrew?
The part where you complained about die thx masturbating?
The part where you tried at least twice to find out where I work while saying you were going to get me fired?
Tell us specifically which parts are made up.
Androidpk's new tactic is to say "But I didn't actually DO anything! I just SAID those things!"
So I guess you just accidentally found Methais' real name (or at least what you thought was his real name) and accidentally found out where he worked (or at least where you thought he worked.)
Yes testimony from the accused is evidence. I don't know why you think it isn't.
And the supporting documentation is verified by a third party professional in a setting that long predated the confirmation hearing of Kavanaugh.
You may not feel like that's "good enough", but it's all legally evidence and is credible evidence.
Testimony is. This isn't testimony. It is an accusation. She hasn't testified.
Lets go ahead and start calling Kavanaugh's denial credible evidence to the contrary then, since you want to call her accusation credible evidence also. Congratulations, back to he said/she said. 100%. There is no physical evidence and there is no one else commenting for either side.
None of that is made up though, and you and everyone else here knows it.
There's a reason why you're known for being a pathological liar by most people on here. And by most, I mean pretty much everyone except soywolff. Even time4fun knows you're garbage, but hating Trump > being an all around piece of shit of a human being, so she's ok with you for now. Your anus must be huge by now.
But anyway, tell us again which parts are made up. Be specific. Or just keep deflecting because you already know you're full of shit. It's not like it matters, because everyone else here knows what a sack of trash you are already anyway.
I didn't bring it up in this thread. I just called you out after someone else brought it up and you tried to deny it. I don't much give a shit about it anymore, because you're the definition of nothingburger, but you're still gonna get called out when you're so blatantly full of shit about everything.
Because you seem to think that scrubbing your old shitbag posts means it never happened.
Because you really are that stupid.
Actually any written account of what happened is legally admissible evidence. Testimony is also evidence, but it's not the only form of evidence when it comes to personal accounts of incidents.
You seem to be confusing issues here. Just because something doesn't- by itself- translate into "beyond a reasonable doubt" doesn't mean it's not evidence.
Ultimately I'm not exactly sure what your point is here.
This is part of the strategy. They're trying to frame this in CSI D.C. terms but this isn't a court of law, he's not on trial and there's no jury. This IS about judgement though and Kavanaugh isn't the only person in the world for this job. They should exercise some good judgement and get a new candidate.