Things that made you Facepalm today (Political Version)

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Originally Posted by Seran

And yet it was Bush who got us started in said wars. Obama failed to end our involvement, it's true, but let's not forget it was Bush and his cronies whose lies got us into Iraq to begin with

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Looks like bipartisan support to me. Or were democrats in Congress at the time also Bush's cronies?

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Originally Posted by time4fun

Watching someone who votes Republican call other people bigots is mindblowing.

You've quoted Tucker Carlson in the past, and he's a straight up white supremacist who just interviewed an ethnonationalist hungarian dictator and told everyone we should be more like him.

You don't support any measures at all to help people of color specifically, nor are you willing to acknowledge that people of color face huge structural disadvantages. The GOP has been passing laws that specifically work to depress turnout ("Turnout control" they call it) of people of color and has been removing polling locations by the thousands from predominantly minority neighborhoods to make it harder for them to vote, has specifically targeted Sunday voting to stop "Souls to the Polls" from happening, and has engaged in such extreme racial gerrymanders to dilute the minority vote that a metric ton of them have had to be thrown out in court.

You heard people say "Black Lives Matter", and you had a conniption calling large groups of black people protesting "thugs" and "criminals" for the largest set of protests in US history, 94% of which were completely peaceful while having very little to say about a bunch of white guys who attacked Congress and broke into our Capitol causing legitimate violence and running around tying to find and kill elected officials.

You were so freaked out at the notion of black lives mattering that you had to change the subject to "All lives matter" because "Black Live Matter" was apparently just too offensive a for you.

You "really care about illegal immigration", but all you ever talk about are illegal border crossings from Latin American immigrants. Even though Visa overstays are responsible for the majority of undocumented immigrants- 62% vs 38%. You really only care about brown people being here.

And you supported a man who ran on a Muslim ban in the US and railing against those foreigners (brown people from Latin America) who were criminals, rapists, etc.

You belong to a party that's 80% white and refuse to listen to what actual people of color are telling you they need.

You are so damn racist that if we hit you with a stick, a bunch of Klansmen would come falling out.

Watching someone like you who thinks black people are too stupid to take care of themselves or pass exams or get an ID call other people bigots is mindblowing.

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Originally Posted by time4fun

Let me guess- they're not bright enough to know what's in their best interests? And you white people just understand the experiences of people of color better than they do?

^ This is literally what democrats like you think about black people. Especially leftist white women.

You're these people:

https://youtu.be/3JGmKHrWKMQ

In before "lol faux news" while ignoring the actual content of the video though. :lol:

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Originally Posted by Ashliana

It's okay, Rocktard. You'll manage to come up with a substantive response next time. In the meanwhile:

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Doubtful.

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Originally Posted by Ashliana

You didn't understand a word of Malcolm X wrote there -- who was demonized by conservatives while he was alive, as was every other civil rights leader.

Noticeably missing from this post: What you thought Malcolm X really meant vs. just shrieking "NUH UHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!"

But anyway...what's your opinion about that school lowering requirements because they think minorities are apparently too stupid to handle the regular requirements?

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If this isn't the soft bigotry of lowered expectations, then what is it?

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Originally Posted by Methais

Noticeably missing from this post: What you thought Malcolm X really meant vs. just shrieking "NUH UHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!"

Noticeably missing from your post: you establishing how my pointing out his mistake somehow requires me to go further and pontificate on his Malcolm X's work. It's the same as when you fell flat on your face, totally unprompted, for no reason, when you tried to bullshit about the "vast majority of murders in Louisiana happen in New Orleans," -- because both you and he are retarded, Methais -- but I didn't have to pontificate on the state of New Orleans in order to mock your stupidity, either.

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Originally Posted by Methais

But anyway...what's your opinion about that school lowering requirements because they think minorities are apparently too stupid to handle the regular requirements?

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If this isn't the soft bigotry of lowered expectations, then what is it?

If you'd read anything on the subject, you'd see that they're reworking their state standards as we speak. But you aren't interested in the reality, you're interested in a tribalist game of nonsense. Because you're a deluded imbecile, Methais.

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Originally Posted by Ashlianus

It's okay, me. I'll manage to come up with a substantive response next time. In the meanwhile:

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Originally Posted by Ashlianus

Noticeably missing from your post: you establishing how my pointing out his mistake somehow requires me to go further and pontificate on his Malcolm X's work. It's the same as when you fell flat on your face, totally unprompted, for no reason, when you tried to bullshit about the "vast majority of murders in Louisiana happen in New Orleans," -- because both you and he are retarded, Methais -- but I didn't have to pontificate on the state of New Orleans in order to mock your stupidity, either.

Translation: "I don't have an actual answer, I just shriek things like NUH UHHHHHHHHHH UR WRONG BECAUSE I SAID SO!!!!!! and that should be good enough!!!!"

Everything you have ever posted about anything or anyone is wrong. What? No I'm not going to elaborate. I shouldn't have to, my word should be good enough.

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If you'd read anything on the subject, you'd see that they're reworking their state standards as we speak. But you aren't interested in the reality, you're interested in a tribalist game of nonsense. Because you're a deluded imbecile, Methais.

Translation: "He asked me for my opinion about it but answering it honestly will make me look like a racist hypocrite so I must deflect!"

It's okay, Ashlianus,. You'll manage to come up with a substantive response next time. In the meanwhile:

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lol @ you deflecting literally everything exactly as expected though

But tell us what Malcolm X really meant in that quote. Surely you of all people on this forum would never pass up an opportunity to pUt SoMeOnE iN tHeIr PlAcE, right?

Except for maybe when even you manage to have enough self awareness to realize that you're just talking shit.

In before more deflections and shrieking.

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Originally Posted by Methais

I'm super upset I tried to make a point, but couldn't have been bothered to actually think it out. Now I'm Big Mad, and think that somehow that has anything to do with you.

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Originally Posted by Methais

Translation: "I don't have an actual answer, I just shriek things like NUH UHHHHHHHHHH UR WRONG BECAUSE I SAID SO!!!!!! and that should be good enough!!!!"

Translation: "If I pretend really hard that pointing out my mistake requires you to take a further position, will it do so? No? What if I pray really hard? Here goes! HHHHNNNNNhHHHHHHHhhh...!"

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Originally Posted by Methais

Everything you have ever posted about anything or anyone is wrong. What? No I'm not going to elaborate. I shouldn't have to, my word should be good enough.

Except I wasn't being general, I was being specific, like when you were appropriately mocked for bullshitting about New Orleans in a hilariously unprompted series of unforced errors. But if you were capable of basic reasoning, though, you wouldn't be a Trump apologist.

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Originally Posted by Methais

Translation: "He asked me for my opinion about it but answering it honestly will make me look like a racist hypocrite so I must deflect!"

Translation: "If I pretend really hard that 'asking for someone's opinion' in bad faith somehow obligates them to provide it, will it transform reality to suit my delusions? What if I pray really hard? HHHHNNNNNhnnnhhh..!!"

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Originally Posted by Methais

lol @ you deflecting literally everything exactly as expected though

lol @ you not understanding you don't have the ability to unilterally obligate people to respond as you please, then being forced to characterize your failure as someone else deflecting because of how Big Mad your hilarious control issues caused you to be.

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Originally Posted by Methais

But tell us what Malcolm X really meant in that quote. Surely you of all people on this forum would never pass up an opportunity to pUt SoMeOnE iN tHeIr PlAcE, right?

Except for maybe when even you manage to have enough self awareness to realize that you're just talking shit.

In before more deflections and shrieking.

See above. You might be super upset that mocking his stupidity doesn't require further input -- just as I didn't have to say a single thing about New Orleans other than mock your abject retardation -- but that's up to you to work out, and stay Big Mad about.

In before more control issues and shrieking.

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Originally Posted by Ashlianus

Check out all these deflections guys :rofl:

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Nobody's saying you "have" to answer anything. But considering how you are always incapable of ever shutting the fuck up about anything, especially if it's something you'd view as an opportunity to "pUt SoMeOnE iN tHeIr PlAcE," you would jump at it, because you do that all the time anyway even when you're wrong, which is also all the time, and you go into extra shriek mode when you know you're full of shit, like you did in that wall of meltdown you just had.

It's ok though Ashlianus, nobody expected anything else from you anyway. Not even other democrats who post here, as they all know you're massively retarded too.

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Reminder: Your incoming meltdown reply that will be full of the same weak deflections as usual, all of which are rooted in your own massive retardedness, won't change any of these facts.

Make sure when you reply in 3 minutes that you use the same format as this post too.

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Originally Posted by Methais

Nobody's saying you "have" to answer anything. But considering how you are always incapable of ever shutting the fuck up about anything, especially if it's something you'd view as an opportunity to "pUt SoMeOnE iN tHeIr PlAcE," you would jump at it, because you do that all the time anyway even when you're wrong, which is also all the time, and you go into extra shriek mode when you know you're full of shit, like you did in that wall of meltdown you just had.

It's ok though Ashlianus, nobody expected anything else from you anyway. Not even other democrats who post here, as they all know you're massively retarded too.

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Reminder: Your incoming meltdown reply that will be full of the same weak deflections as usual, all of which are rooted in your own massive retardedness, won't change any of these facts.

Make sure when you reply in 3 minutes that you use the same format as this post too.

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You can have all the tantrums you want, Methais, and gnash your teeth in fury that you don't have the ability to levy obligations on other people.

You're the only one retarded enough to think repeatedly going "wHy dIdN'T yOu HaVe A rEaL dIsCuSsIoN aBoUt MaLcoLm X!?" ... in response to this post:

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Originally Posted by ~Rocktard~

You are the epitome of what Malcom X warned blacks about:

Stop being a fucking racist you fucking racist cunt.

... is somehow convincing. But you don't think anything through, Methais, like when you spent multiple weeks bullshitting about New Orleans, then lying about your position with a new argument, then lying about that position with an incredibly weaker version that was still meaningless, in hilariously retarded fashion. Because you don't know how to do anything, Methais. Except humiliate yourself, that is.

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Originally Posted by Ashlianus

You can have all the tantrums you want, Methais, and gnash your teeth in fury that you don't have the ability to levy obligations on other people.

You're the only one retarded enough to think repeatedly going "wHy dIdN'T yOu HaVe A rEaL dIsCuSsIoN aBoUt MaLcoLm X!?" ... in response to this post:

... is somehow convincing. But you don't think anything through, Methais, like when you spent multiple weeks bullshitting about New Orleans, then lying about your position with a new argument, then lying about that position with an incredibly weaker version that was still meaningless, in hilariously retarded fashion. Because you don't know how to do anything, Methais. Except humiliate yourself, that is.

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Rocktar: Posts Malcolm X quote

Ashlianus: THAT'S NOT WHAT HE MEANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Me: What did he mean then?

Ashlianus: I DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Also Ashlianus:
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Be sure to use this format when you reply.

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Originally Posted by Methais

Rocktar: Posts Malcolm X quote

Ashlianus: THAT'S NOT WHAT HE MEANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Me: What did he mean then?

Ashlianus: I DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Also Ashlianus:
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Be sure to use this format when you reply.

You can have all the tantrums you want, Methais, and gnash your teeth in fury that you don't have the ability to levy obligations on other people.

You're the only one retarded enough to think repeatedly going "wHy dIdN'T yOu HaVe A rEaL dIsCuSsIoN aBoUt MaLcoLm X!?" ... in response to this post:

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Originally Posted by ~Rocktard~

You are the epitome of what Malcom X warned blacks about:

Stop being a fucking racist you fucking racist cunt.

... is somehow convincing. But you don't think anything through, Methais, like when you spent multiple weeks bullshitting about New Orleans, then lying about your position with a new argument, then lying about that position with an incredibly weaker version that was still meaningless, in hilariously retarded fashion. Because you don't know how to do anything, Methais. Except humiliate yourself, that is.

https://i.imgur.com/mNAmNzQ.gif

Speaking of humiliating yourself, though -- best of luck with those hilarious control issues.

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Originally Posted by Ashliana

You can have all the tantrums you want, Methais, and gnash your teeth in fury that you don't have the ability to levy obligations on other people.

You're the only one retarded enough to think repeatedly going "wHy dIdN'T yOu HaVe A rEaL dIsCuSsIoN aBoUt MaLcoLm X!?" ... in response to this post:

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Originally Posted by ~Rocktard~

You are the epitome of what Malcom X warned blacks about:

Stop being a fucking racist you fucking racist cunt.

... is somehow convincing. But you don't think anything through, Methais, like when you spent multiple weeks bullshitting about New Orleans, then lying about your position with a new argument, then lying about that position with an incredibly weaker version that was still meaningless, in hilariously retarded fashion. Because you don't know how to do anything, Methais. Except humiliate yourself, that is.

https://i.imgur.com/mNAmNzQ.gif

Speaking of humiliating yourself, though -- best of luck with those hilarious control issues.

Oh, so you're even more disingenuous than I had thought.

Way to act like I'm referring to this:

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Originally Posted by ~Rocktard~

You are the epitome of what Malcom X warned blacks about:

Stop being a fucking racist you fucking racist cunt.

Instead of this:

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Originally Posted by ~Rocktar~

“The white liberal is the worst enemy to America, and the worst enemy to the black man. Let me explain what I mean by the white liberal. In America there is no such thing as Democrat or Republican anymore. In America you have liberals and conservatives. The only people living in the past who think in terms of I’m a Democrat or Republican, is the American Negro. He’s the one that runs around bragging about party affiliation. He’s the one that sticks to the Democrat or sticks to the Republican. But white people are divided into two groups, liberals and conservative. The Democrats who are conservative, vote with the Republicans who are conservative. The Democrats who are liberal vote with the Republicans that are liberal. The white liberal aren’t white people who are for independence, who are moral and ethical in their thinking. They are just a faction of white people that are jockeying for power. The same as the white conservative is a faction of white people that are jockeying for power. They are fighting each other for power and prestige, and the one that is the football in the game is the Negro, 20 million black people. A political football, a political pawn, an economic football, and economic pawn. A social football, a social pawn. The liberal elements of whites are those who have perfected the art of selling themselves to the Negro as a friend of the Negro. Getting sympathy of the Negro, getting the allegiance of the Negro, and getting the mind of the Negro. Then the Negro sides with the white liberal, and the white liberal use the Negro against the white conservative. So that anything that the Negro does is never for his own good, never for his own advancement, never for his own progress, he’s only a pawn in the hands of the white liberal. The worst enemy that the Negro have is this white man that runs around here drooling at the mouth professing to love Negros, and calling himself a liberal, and it is following these white liberals that has perpetuated problems that Negros have. If the Negro wasn’t taken, tricked, or deceived by the white liberal then Negros would get together and solve our own problems. I only cite these things to show you that in America the history of the white liberal has been nothing but a series of trickery designed to make Negros think that the white liberal was going to solve our problems. Our problems will never be solved by the white man. The only way that our problem will be solved is when the black man wakes up, clean himself up, stand on his own feet and stop begging the white man, and take immediate steps to do for ourselves the things that we have been waiting on the white man to do for us. Once we do for self then we will be able to solve our own problems’ "The white conservatives aren't friends of the Negro either, but they at least don't try to hide it. They are like wolves; they show their teeth in a snarl that keeps the Negro always aware of where he stands with them. But the white liberals are foxes, who also show their teeth to the Negro but pretend that they are smiling. The white liberals are more dangerous than the conservatives; they lure the Negro, and as the Negro runs from the growling wolf, he flees into the open jaws of the "smiling" fox. One is the wolf, the other is a fox. No matter what, they’ll both eat you.”

Rocktar: Posts Malcolm X quote

Ashlianus: THAT'S NOT WHAT HE MEANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Me: What did he mean then?

Ashlianus: I DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Me: That was the expected response from you.

Ashlianus: ROCKTAR SAID I'M THE EPITOME OF WHAT MALCOLM X WARNED BLACKS ABOUT

Me: Ok. What about the actual Malcolm X quote that you keep desperately dodging in your repeated meltdowns?

Ashlianus (in roughly 5 minutes from now): YOU'RE SOOOOOOOOOO MAD BECAUSE I JUST PUT YOU IN YOUR PLACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let's try something different.

I'm not asking you to "have a real discussion about Malcolm X" with Rocktar or anyone else. I'm suggesting that you should "put Rocktar in his place" by stating what Malcolm X "really" meant.

The fact that you refuse when you otherwise can literally never shut the fuck up speaks volumes, along with your replies getting more and more angry and projection filled. :lol:

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Make sure you do not use this format when replying.

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Ashlianus' response were he to be asked for one: THAT'S NOT WHAT ANYONE IN THAT ENTIRE VIDEO MEANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Methais

Oh, so you're even more disingenuous than I had thought.

Way to act like I'm referring to this:

Instead of this:

These are mental gymnastics on your part, attempting to remove the aspects of Rocktard's post that render it utterly meaningless to have engaged him substantively on the topic. Since he isn't actually interested in discussing what Malcolm X would have thought about the contemporary state of politics (and neither are you).

As I said, you don't know how to do anything, Methais. Except humiliate yourself, that is.

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Originally Posted by Methais

Rocktar: Posts Malcolm X quote

Ashlianus: THAT'S NOT WHAT HE MEANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Me: What did he mean then?

Ashlianus: I DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Me: That was the expected response from you.

Ashlianus: ROCKTAR SAID I'M THE EPITOME OF WHAT MALCOLM X WARNED BLACKS ABOUT

Me: Ok. What about the actual Malcolm X quote that you keep desperately dodging in your repeated meltdowns?

Ashlianus (in roughly 5 minutes from now): YOU'RE SOOOOOOOOOO MAD BECAUSE I JUST PUT YOU IN YOUR PLACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You can have all the tantrums you want, Methais, and gnash your teeth in fury that you don't have the ability to levy obligations on other people.

You're the only one retarded enough to think repeatedly going "wHy dIdN'T yOu HaVe A rEaL dIsCuSsIoN aBoUt MaLcoLm X!?" ... in response to this post:

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Originally Posted by ~Rocktard~

You are the epitome of what Malcom X warned blacks about:

Stop being a fucking racist you fucking racist cunt.

... is somehow convincing. But you don't think anything through, Methais, like when you spent multiple weeks bullshitting about New Orleans, then lying about your position with a new argument, then lying about that position with an incredibly weaker version that was still meaningless, in hilariously retarded fashion. Because you don't know how to do anything, Methais. Except humiliate yourself, that is.

https://i.imgur.com/mNAmNzQ.gif

Speaking of humiliating yourself, though -- best of luck with those hilarious control issues.

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Originally Posted by Methais

Let's try something different.

I'm not asking you to "have a real discussion about Malcolm X" with Rocktar or anyone else. I'm suggesting that you should "put Rocktar in his place" by stating what Malcolm X "really" meant.

The fact that you refuse when you otherwise can literally never shut the fuck up speaks volumes, along with your replies getting more and more angry and projection filled. :lol:

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Make sure you do not use this format when replying.

You can suggest whatever you want. Your suggestions don't confer an obligation onto anyone else, and as I said, your performative retardation about why someone wouldn't seek to have a dialogue about Malcolm X in response to Rocktard's profoundly retarded post is entirely unconvincing -- no matter how Big Mad you get about it.

Best of luck with those self-awareness and control issues.

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Originally Posted by Ashlianus' latest mental breakdown

These are mental gymnastics on your part, attempting to remove the aspects of Rocktard's post that render it utterly meaningless to have engaged him substantively on the topic. Since he isn't actually interested in discussing what Malcolm X would have thought about the contemporary state of politics (and neither are you).

As I said, you don't know how to do anything, Methais. Except humiliate yourself, that is.

You can have all the tantrums you want, Methais, and gnash your teeth in fury that you don't have the ability to levy obligations on other people.

You're the only one retarded enough to think repeatedly going "wHy dIdN'T yOu HaVe A rEaL dIsCuSsIoN aBoUt MaLcoLm X!?" ... in response to this post:

... is somehow convincing. But you don't think anything through, Methais, like when you spent multiple weeks bullshitting about New Orleans, then lying about your position with a new argument, then lying about that position with an incredibly weaker version that was still meaningless, in hilariously retarded fashion. Because you don't know how to do anything, Methais. Except humiliate yourself, that is.

https://i.imgur.com/mNAmNzQ.gif

Speaking of humiliating yourself, though -- best of luck with those hilarious control issues.

You can suggest whatever you want. Your suggestions don't confer an obligation onto anyone else, and as I said, your performative retardation about why someone wouldn't seek to have a dialogue about Malcolm X in response to Rocktard's profoundly retarded post is entirely unconvincing -- no matter how Big Mad you get about it.

Best of luck with those self-awareness and control issues.

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Translation:
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A much deeper translation:

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gg being a huge racist tho

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malcolm X

“The white liberal is the worst enemy to America, and the worst enemy to the black man. Let me explain what I mean by the white liberal. In America there is no such thing as Democrat or Republican anymore. In America you have liberals and conservatives. The only people living in the past who think in terms of I’m a Democrat or Republican, is the American Negro. He’s the one that runs around bragging about party affiliation. He’s the one that sticks to the Democrat or sticks to the Republican. But white people are divided into two groups, liberals and conservative. The Democrats who are conservative, vote with the Republicans who are conservative. The Democrats who are liberal vote with the Republicans that are liberal. The white liberal aren’t white people who are for independence, who are moral and ethical in their thinking. They are just a faction of white people that are jockeying for power. The same as the white conservative is a faction of white people that are jockeying for power. They are fighting each other for power and prestige, and the one that is the football in the game is the Negro, 20 million black people. A political football, a political pawn, an economic football, and economic pawn. A social football, a social pawn. The liberal elements of whites are those who have perfected the art of selling themselves to the Negro as a friend of the Negro. Getting sympathy of the Negro, getting the allegiance of the Negro, and getting the mind of the Negro. Then the Negro sides with the white liberal, and the white liberal use the Negro against the white conservative. So that anything that the Negro does is never for his own good, never for his own advancement, never for his own progress, he’s only a pawn in the hands of the white liberal. The worst enemy that the Negro have is this white man that runs around here drooling at the mouth professing to love Negros, and calling himself a liberal, and it is following these white liberals that has perpetuated problems that Negros have. If the Negro wasn’t taken, tricked, or deceived by the white liberal then Negros would get together and solve our own problems. I only cite these things to show you that in America the history of the white liberal has been nothing but a series of trickery designed to make Negros think that the white liberal was going to solve our problems. Our problems will never be solved by the white man. The only way that our problem will be solved is when the black man wakes up, clean himself up, stand on his own feet and stop begging the white man, and take immediate steps to do for ourselves the things that we have been waiting on the white man to do for us. Once we do for self then we will be able to solve our own problems’ "The white conservatives aren't friends of the Negro either, but they at least don't try to hide it. They are like wolves; they show their teeth in a snarl that keeps the Negro always aware of where he stands with them. But the white liberals are foxes, who also show their teeth to the Negro but pretend that they are smiling. The white liberals are more dangerous than the conservatives; they lure the Negro, and as the Negro runs from the growling wolf, he flees into the open jaws of the "smiling" fox. One is the wolf, the other is a fox. No matter what, they’ll both eat you.”

Let the record state that Malcolm X didn't really mean this.

Source: Because Ashlianus said so, and we must #BelieveAllRetards

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Originally Posted by Methais

<delusions, fantasies, inability to come to terms with the fact that he lacks the power to obligate anyone to engage in the way he wants, tantrums and control issues>

Translation:

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And the deepest translation of all:

https://i.gifer.com/3OBrJ.gif
Best of luck coming to terms with your failure, Methais. Stay Big Mad, though.

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Originally Posted by Ashliana

Translation:

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And the deepest translation of all:

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Best of luck coming to terms with your failure, Methais. Stay Big Mad, though.

Thank you for using my format as you'd been being instructed to do.

Now reply within 5 minutes. And say something butthurt.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Methais

Let the record state that Malcolm X didn't really mean this.

Source: Because Ashlianus said so, and we must #BelieveAllRetards

Translation: "Do my reading comprehension failures reflect on anyone other than me? What if I pray really hard? Let's find out. Here goes! HHHHNNNNNNNNNNNnnnnnnnhhhh...!"

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Originally Posted by Methais

Thank you for using my format as you'd been being instructed to do.

Now reply within 5 minutes. And say something butthurt.

Best of luck with those control issues.

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https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/ve-s...180000917.html

So does this mean the January 6 protesters can file the same lawsuit?

This is some weird "circle back" type stuff.

Apparently "protesters" surrounding and threatening the White House, forcing the security forces to sequester the President in the bunker for awhile, isn't an attempted "insurrection"... it's just protesting.

Meanwhile... yea...

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Originally Posted by Shaps

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/ve-s...180000917.html

So does this mean the January 6 protesters can file the same lawsuit?

This is some weird "circle back" type stuff.

Apparently "protesters" surrounding and threatening the White House, forcing the security forces to sequester the President in the bunker for awhile, isn't an attempted "insurrection"... it's just protesting.

Meanwhile... yea...

Anyone can file a lawsuit for anything at anytime. Doesn't mean it'll go anywhere.

Also

According to NBC Washington, the ACLU says that both photojournalists still suffer from psychological distress.

what a bunch of wimps.

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Originally Posted by Gelston

Also

According to NBC Washington, the ACLU says that both photojournalists still suffer from psychological distress.

what a bunch of wimps.

Reminds me of the "journalist" who said he developed PTSD because he fired a fully automatic semi-automatic weapon.

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Originally Posted by Gelston

Anyone can file a lawsuit for anything at anytime. Doesn't mean it'll go anywhere.

I'm filing a lawsuit against you today for reasons.

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Originally Posted by Methais

I'm filing a lawsuit against you today for reasons.

I will file a countersuit for filing a frivolous lawsuit. I'd win.

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Originally Posted by Gelston

I will file a countersuit for filing a frivolous lawsuit. I'd win.

You can't prove damages and are wasting the court's time.

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Originally Posted by Methais

You can't prove damages and are wasting the court's time.

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That is what they'd say to your lawsuit, yes. My countersuit is recovering the loss of time and monetary expenditures I made defending against so nonsense.

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Originally Posted by Gelston

That is what they'd say to your lawsuit, yes. My countersuit is recovering the loss of time and monetary expenditures I made defending against so nonsense.

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/murders-s...110923609.html

Election cycle mechanism to sow hysteria, and people believed it. Fucking idiots.

Now they're trying to scramble and put Humpty Dumpty back together again.

Wait for the "your evil" messaging to happen next summer before the mid-terms, and again before the Presidential election. All the paid protestors, agitators, and those made to scare the populous will come out... and use threats of violence to try and force citizens to "be progressive", "submit", and "be ashamed of themselves"... while the politicians look to virtue signal and gain votes, while demonizing others.

Odd how the BLM organization, and it's leaders, have suddenly disappeared huh? Odd how all of a sudden ANTIFA - after almost a year of rioting and antagonizing citizens - have suddenly disappeared. Why oh why could that ever be?

Fucking pathetic.

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Originally Posted by Shaps

Odd how the BLM organization, and it's leaders, have suddenly disappeared huh? Odd how all of a sudden ANTIFA - after almost a year of rioting and antagonizing citizens - have suddenly disappeared. Why oh why could that ever be?

Fucking pathetic.

Oh, don’t forget how Trump said Covid will disappear after the elections and you won’t hear about it after November 4th as well!

Oh wait, my bad…didn’t realize you were cherry-picking things to support your opinion.

Covid is as bad as it's ever been and the media is barely talking about it. Trump wasn't really wrong about that. Shit, Pfizer announced the vaccine the day after election day. I'm not a Trump supporter, but once Biden got in and the vaccines rolled out the media 100% backed the idea that 'team blue won, get vaccinated, covid is over' and look how that's turning out.

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Originally Posted by Solkern

Oh, don’t forget how Trump said Covid will disappear after the elections and you won’t hear about it after November 4th as well!

Oh wait, my bad…didn’t realize you were cherry-picking things to support your opinion.

Or how Biden said he would stop covid if we elected him.....

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Originally Posted by audioserf

Covid is as bad as it's ever been and the media is barely talking about it. Trump wasn't really wrong about that. Shit, Pfizer announced the vaccine the day after election day. I'm not a Trump supporter, but once Biden got in and the vaccines rolled out the media 100% backed the idea that 'team blue won, get vaccinated, covid is over' and look how that's turning out.

Or how Democrats are completely in support of the vaccine...

Except how they weren't when Trump was President... because they somehow thought President Trump was in the lab creating it.....

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...-b1903946.html

Actions speak louder than words.

Twitter allows Taliban to remain.

Twitter bans a sitting United States President.

If that doesn't tell you how fucked up the United States political/business conglomerates perspective and outlook is, I'm not sure what will.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pa3WlnWXWg

Bad when MSNBC hosts are coming after the Dem's now.

Notice though... not one word was spoken about the citizens or how to improve their lives. It was all in the context of how do the Democrats retain power. Pathetic.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/n-word-no...030000803.html

And this is what the "woke Left" is... their racist, insane ideas are starting to peak through all the "woke terms" they've been using for years to hide their racism.

"Aysha Khanom was fired from her advisory role at Leeds Beckett University after her organization, the Race Trust, called black conservative commentator Calvin Robinson a "house Negro," according to the Washington Examiner's Matthew Miller. Khanom did not back down. She told the Guardian that the term was “meant to be offensive" because it is an "antiracist" term: "There is no way they are racist. They are meant to make someone feel uncomfortable, but just because something’s offensive doesn’t mean you can’t say it.”

Fucking insane, and people need to start straight up punching people in the face. Call someone a "house ni**er" and think it's okay? Because they're "anti-racist" and their political beliefs are on the left? You see how stupid this ideology is, and what their true intentions are?

Fucking insane.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/m...201700079.html

Fucking wonderful, PETA now is telling our Military how to conduct Jungle Warfare Training. Learning what to kill, how to kill it, and how to prepare and safely consume it is all part of such training.

This shit is insane. /sigh

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Originally Posted by Shaps

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/m...201700079.html

Fucking wonderful, PETA now is telling our Military how to conduct Jungle Warfare Training. Learning what to kill, how to kill it, and how to prepare and safely consume it is all part of such training.

This shit is insane. /sigh

PETA has got to be the longest running troll organization to ever exist.

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

PETA has got to be the longest running troll organization to ever exist.

PETA is such a shit organization.

https://www.peta.org/features/peta-kills-animals-truth/

A company that kills animals, telling others not to kill animals.

It's the animal version of Planned Parenthood.

Reading this part of the Forum.

PETA are terrible, they only care about money they don't care about animals.

Fucking 99% kill shelters.

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Originally Posted by drauz

PETA are terrible, they only care about money they don't care about animals.

Fucking 99% kill shelters.

PETA isn't really about animals.. it's an alt-left political organization that uses animals to try to bring about whatever change they desire.

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

PETA isn't really about animals.. it's an alt-left political organization that uses animals to try to bring about whatever change they desire.

Their goal, stated back in the 70s and since covered up, is to destroy the US beef industry.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/proud-boy...193423688.html

This guy is correctly being punished for his crimes.

Shame you don't see the same news articles for the year long destruction of US cities by batshit nut leftists. They got catch and released, bailed out by Politicians who donated to legal funds, and told it was part of the process of "reparations". And no, I'm not going to link any of the thousands of articles or videos of mass destruction - you can do that yourself, if Youtube, Facebook, etc. hasn't removed them yet.

The law is supposedly to be applied evenly, as was done here. Not based on which side of the aisle your on. Fucking fascists. So much for the law being blind.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/column-as...222655301.html

Remember comments/reasoning like this when the next election cycle comes around and the riots/looting/arson and violence starts.

"These weren’t peaceful demonstrators. These weren’t protesters exercising their constitutionally protected right to calmly express differences of opinion with their elected representatives. They were bashing down the doors."

So when police start smoking people for "bashing down the doors", don't complain.

Oh wait...

And remember - if someone is "bashing down your door" - it's okay to kill them per the author. So no complaining when it happens.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaps

https://www.yahoo.com/news/column-as...222655301.html

Remember comments/reasoning like this when the next election cycle comes around and the riots/looting/arson and violence starts.

"These weren’t peaceful demonstrators. These weren’t protesters exercising their constitutionally protected right to calmly express differences of opinion with their elected representatives. They were bashing down the doors."

So when police start smoking people for "bashing down the doors", don't complain.

Oh wait...

And remember - if someone is "bashing down your door" - it's okay to kill them per the author. So no complaining when it happens.

FYI, I'll probably shoot you if you try to bash down my door.

And if a cop catches you bashing down my door I'm ok with them shooting you too if you disregard lawful orders to cease and continue to try to force entry with apparent violent intent, like chanting "Hang that guy" or somesuch.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaps

https://www.yahoo.com/news/column-as...222655301.html

Remember comments/reasoning like this when the next election cycle comes around and the riots/looting/arson and violence starts.

"These weren’t peaceful demonstrators. These weren’t protesters exercising their constitutionally protected right to calmly express differences of opinion with their elected representatives. They were bashing down the doors."

So when police start smoking people for "bashing down the doors", don't complain.

Oh wait...

And remember - if someone is "bashing down your door" - it's okay to kill them per the author. So no complaining when it happens.

It is 100% legal to shoot someone for trying to bash down your door in my state. And I will, 100%, magdump into someone that tries to bust into my house.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bhaalizmo

FYI, I'll probably shoot you if you try to bash down my door.

And if a cop catches you bashing down my door I'm ok with them shooting you too if you disregard lawful orders to cease and continue to try to force entry with apparent violent intent, like chanting "Hang that guy" or somesuch.

But heaven help the cops that use tear gas to disperse riots, oops, excuse me, "Mostly peaceful protests" amirite?

Quote:

Originally Posted by ~Rocktar~

But heaven help the cops that use tear gas to disperse riots, oops, excuse me, "Mostly peaceful protests" amirite?

No, you're always wrong. Stop asking and take a walk.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bhaalizmo

FYI, I'll probably shoot you if you try to bash down my door.

And if a cop catches you bashing down my door I'm ok with them shooting you too if you disregard lawful orders to cease and continue to try to force entry with apparent violent intent, like chanting "Hang that guy" or somesuch.

And strangely enough you're not okay with cops shooting people when they point firearms at them, yet you're okay with police shooting an unarmed woman because she's entering a "restricted area."

Why posted it.. to see the responses.

Interesting.

I'm all for people defending themselves if someone is "bashing their door down". I'm just for it in more situations, than the "selective outrage crowd" that demonizes Police Officers, citizens, and home/business owners that defend themselves against people assaulting them.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/two-dozen...152121864.html

??? - This is just intriguing.

Who the hell takes students - it seems like High School students? - to Afghanistan. And what is "The students had traveled to Afghanistan over the summer on special visas for US military service, according to the report."?

This seems like an odd story to me. Wish they'd provided more information on what the students were supposed to be doing, the objective of it. Weird.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tgo01

And strangely enough you're not okay with cops shooting people when they point firearms at them, yet you're okay with police shooting an unarmed woman because she's entering a "restricted area."

Yeah, no. Never said either of those things. Go head, dig it up. (you won't) You'll find it's not what you said.

Cool story though, have you considered writing fiction?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bhaalizmo

Yeah, no. Never said either of those things. Go head, dig it up. (you won't) You'll find it's not what you said.

Cool story though, have you considered writing fiction?

Sure. You whine about cops like it was your full time job. Why you always such a liar?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tgo01

Sure. You whine about cops like it was your full time job. Why you always such a liar?

Mhmm. Bullshit.

Quote me.

and go fuck yourself.

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Originally Posted by Bhaalizmo

Quote me.

That was easy.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tgo01

I should go outside and play hide and go fuck myself.

Indeed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bhaalizmo

Indeed.

Why so angry?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/judge-ask...091759242.html

Want to see what this fucking partisan bullshit is doing?

Want to see what real Fascism fucking looks like?

Want to see the fucking stupidity of people, and how it being allowed to spread and be validated, will affect people?

This is how the "government" enslaves it's citizens... as opposed to working for it's citizens.

Fucking jackasses. It will come for you eventually.

Quote:

The LAPD has reportedly instructed its officers to collect social media information on every civilian they stop, even if they haven't been arrested or accused of a crime, according to documents obtained by the Brennan Center for Justice.

Meh, so much for the thin blue line.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaps

https://www.yahoo.com/news/judge-ask...091759242.html

Want to see what this fucking partisan bullshit is doing?

Want to see what real Fascism fucking looks like?

Want to see the fucking stupidity of people, and how it being allowed to spread and be validated, will affect people?

This is how the "government" enslaves it's citizens... as opposed to working for it's citizens.

Fucking jackasses. It will come for you eventually.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/20...on-son-recused

Seems like the system worked. Judge recused himself and another judge gave her back supervised visits.

If the accusations are true though I hope she doesn't see the kid until she gets some help.

Quote:

Originally Posted by drauz

https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/20...on-son-recused

Seems like the system worked. Judge recused himself and another judge gave her back supervised visits.

If the accusations are true though I hope she doesn't see the kid until she gets some help.

Is that before or after the public outrage over the bullshit decision?

Quote:

Originally Posted by drauz

https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/20...on-son-recused

Seems like the system worked. Judge recused himself and another judge gave her back supervised visits.

If the accusations are true though I hope she doesn't see the kid until she gets some help.

Glad to hear the first part occurred and the Judicial System corrected itself.

As to the second part, if the Mother is abusing the child.. then hopefully the appropriate measures are taken to ensure the child's safety.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/washingto...142800622.html

This is the type of fucking people we're allowing to "lead" children? And people are afraid of jackasses using logic such as this? We, as a whole, need to just tell people like this to collectively go fuck themselves.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEqFVUIVuuY

Hunger Games anyone?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaps

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEqFVUIVuuY

Hunger Games anyone?

You're offended that a Congresswoman would bring her message about fair taxation to an event filled with privileged and obscenely rich people of power and influence? Does it offend you that someone only making low six figure salary in Congress would bother showing up to an event usually attended by the top one percent?

This just in, classes and castes don't exist in the United States. If you feel someone can't spend their money to convey a personal ideology, or they're outside their class, you need to go back to the 1400s where you belong.

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Originally Posted by Seran

If you feel someone can't spend their money to convey a personal ideology

You believing she spent her money to go there.... that's hilarious.

Define fair taxation

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Originally Posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage

Define fair taxation

Anything that doesn't impact him negatively, but punishes anyone who makes more than him.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Parkbandit

You believing she spent her money to go there.... that's hilarious.

You being retarded enough to think that "she had to spend money" at all to attend an event she got a free invitation to - along with other NYC representatives - and in a borrowed dress... that's hilarious.

https://i.imgur.com/7oo0JdB.png

You're RTC, though, so that's of no surprise to anyone. :rofl: Stick to your meltdown thread, Tardbandit.

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

Anything that doesn't impact him negatively, but punishes anyone who makes more than him.

You say that as a pejorative, but Democrats have put out an incredibly sensible plan to roll back the retarded tax cuts given to the wealthiest and corporations. 25-26% corporate tax rate, 37-38% top margin tax rate for the wealthiest. Include it a plan to tax stock options at issuance and to tax loans taken against generational wealth and you can legitimately fix the deficit. Republicans have destroyed the middle class with their trickle down nonsense, lack of fair wage support and only favoring the obscenely wealthy in tax reform

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seran

You're offended that a Congresswoman would bring her message about fair taxation to an event filled with privileged and obscenely rich people of power and influence? Does it offend you that someone only making low six figure salary in Congress would bother showing up to an event usually attended by the top one percent?

This just in, classes and castes don't exist in the United States. If you feel someone can't spend their money to convey a personal ideology, or they're outside their class, you need to go back to the 1400s where you belong.

You’re such a fucking dumbass. “Only making low six figure salary”? As a congress person she makes 174k a year, this of course doesn’t even include her generous benefits, putting her comfortably in the top 10% of earners. She then has the audacity to refer to herself as a “working class woman of color”? And as usual per your stupid ass is here to defend every stupid thing a Democrat says.

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Originally Posted by Seran

You say that as a pejorative, but Democrats have put out an incredibly sensible plan to roll back the retarded tax cuts given to the wealthiest and corporations. 25-26% corporate tax rate, 37-38% top margin tax rate for the wealthiest. Include it a plan to tax stock options at issuance and to tax loans taken against generational wealth and you can legitimately fix the deficit. Republicans have destroyed the middle class with their trickle down nonsense, lack of fair wage support and only favoring the obscenely wealthy in tax reform

Didn’t many corporations go on a hiring spree or give their workers more pay or increased benefits after Republicans lowered the corporate tax rates? The answer is yes of course. Now Democrats want to roll those taxes back while many companies are still suffering from Democrat imposed shutdowns so corporations can lower benefits and lay people off to pay for Democrats drunken spending spree.

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

You’re such a fucking dumbass. “Only making low six figure salary”? As a congress person she makes 174k a year, this of course doesn’t even include her generous benefits, putting her comfortably in the top 10% of earners. She then has the audacity to refer to herself as a “working class woman of color”? And as usual per your stupid ass is here to defend every stupid thing a Democrat says.

Your hatred of minorities knows no bounds.

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Originally Posted by Seran

Your hatred of minorities knows no bounds.

No amount of making shit up about others is going to erase the moment you defended ghouls who said unvaccinated people deserved to be turned away for medical care and die.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ck/8334915002/

You talk about subversion? This is the definition of it.

Hate hearing Milley did what he did. You might not like Trump, and I don't like Biden, but there are mechanisms already in place and laws available to be used if their concerns were valid. They chose not to use those, and instead did this.

Will there be accountability? Probably not. We're on a slippery slope.

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

Didn’t many corporations go on a hiring spree or give their workers more pay or increased benefits after Republicans lowered the corporate tax rates? The answer is yes of course. Now Democrats want to roll those taxes back while many companies are still suffering from Democrat imposed shutdowns so corporations can lower benefits and lay people off to pay for Democrats drunken spending spree.

Except, whoops. Wages and salaries of production level, non-supervisory/management employees has been outstripped by a factor of five in comparison to productivity that employers enjoy to drive profits.

https://www.epi.org/blog/growing-ine...ypical-worker/

Factor in the wage growth inequality over the same time period ending in 2018. Wages for the lowest 90% increased 23.9%, while increasing 157.8% for the top 1% and 340.7% for the top 0.1%.

https://www.epi.org/blog/top-1-0-of-...-8-since-1979/

Hiring spree following the corporate tax rate? Corporate payrolls in non-management, production level employment /did/ increase 2017-2018, but started tanking in 2019, then utterly crashed after Covid-19. Meanwhile income for the top 1% inexplicably increased. Dun dun dun.

Dreaven would like you to believe that we're in some sort of tax sweet spot for all Americans. Well we are, if you're in the top 1% because you're doing quite well. Everyone else, not so much. But that's the Republican looter strategy for you, make the top 1% filthy rich, while yelling everyone else whose wages are barely keeping up with inflation that they're doing just fine.

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You’re such a fucking dumbass. “Only making low six figure salary”? As a congress person she makes 174k a year, this of course doesn’t even include her generous benefits, putting her comfortably in the top 10% of earners. She then has the audacity to refer to herself as a “working class woman of color”? And as usual per your stupid ass is here to defend every stupid thing a Democrat says.

This is all correct.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/activists...013803402.html

Just "activists". No implicit threat to the safety of a Supreme Court Judge at all. Just being "activists". No threat to our Democracy at all.

The fucking duplicity is absurd. Fuck the current "main stream" media.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/frustrate...011200032.html

Nothing to see here folks.. move along. ROFL.

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You're offended that a Congresswoman would bring her message about fair taxation to an event filled with privileged and obscenely rich people of power and influence? Does it offend you that someone only making low six figure salary in Congress would bother showing up to an event usually attended by the top one percent?

This just in, classes and castes don't exist in the United States. If you feel someone can't spend their money to convey a personal ideology, or they're outside their class, you need to go back to the 1400s where you belong.

For once I agree with the stupid conservatives on something. AOC wearing that dress is the same sort of performative bullshit as when Nancy Pelosi kneeled on the floor of Congress while wearing kente cloth. It accomplishes nothing for the working class.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/californi...030027521.html

LOL. Though I do like how they try to claim that "government programs" helped reduce poverty... that's like the Fed artificially keeping interest rates low to say that the dollar remains strong.

Pictures are worth 1000 words.. and the tent city is all you need to know..

Good thing they kept Newsom in office, guy is doing wonders for the State.. amazing how people will sacrifice themselves and their well-being for the "party"...

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/new-y...053554406.html

LOL. Get ready for the mass exodus. As if they weren't killing their State already.

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Originally Posted by Seran

You're offended that a Congresswoman would bring her message about fair taxation to an event filled with privileged and obscenely rich people of power and influence? Does it offend you that someone only making low six figure salary in Congress would bother showing up to an event usually attended by the top one percent?

This just in, classes and castes don't exist in the United States. If you feel someone can't spend their money to convey a personal ideology, or they're outside their class, you need to go back to the 1400s where you belong.

She's not gonna bang you dude.

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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/new-y...053554406.html

LOL. Get ready for the mass exodus. As if they weren't killing their State already.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAAMBQOpyWg

It's like a petri dish of covid variants.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAAMBQOpyWg

It's like a petri dish of covid variants.

I thought your new schtick was that socialism was great and we should allow them all in as well. Make up your mind, retard.

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I thought your new schtick was that socialism was great and we should allow them all in as well. Make up your mind, retard.

I never said anything about immigration. Obviously we need to have better security at our borders. We also need to make it easier to come in to the country through the front door.

We have plenty of room for people from around the globe that want to contribute to the shared goals of the society that we promote. We just need to use the vast resources that we have within our own borders to upgrade and grow our society.

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I never said anything about immigration. Obviously we need to have better security at our borders. We also need to make it easier to come in to the country through the front door.

We have plenty of room for people from around the globe that want to contribute to the shared goals of the society that we promote. We just need to use the vast resources that we have within our own borders to upgrade and grow our society.

I'll have to report you to your god(ess), AOC. They will not be pleased.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41893-021-00756-w

Get ready... it's coming. Pay close attention to how they note that Covid-19 has created a situation that would allow such actions to be implemented... especially with the tracking software that people are being forced to use.

This is large scale subjugation. Not raising awareness... intruding on peoples personal lives and choices, tracking them, then applying pressure to socially engineer their ability to make decisions.

"and the new behavioral and social norms formed during the pandemic, may favor PCAs."

"In particular, during the COVID-19 pandemic, restrictions on individuals for the sake of public health, and forms of individual accountability and responsibility that were unthinkable only one year before, have been adopted by millions of people."

"Initial evidence points to various issues related to adopting such schemes in liberal democracies such as in Europe and the United States—where data privacy, trust and ethical issues strongly limited participation in contact-tracing efforts during the COVID-19 pandemic46. Such resistance itself also provides important lessons for future PCA-tracking apps. For instance, new regulations have been suggested to address data privacy concerns and security vulnerabilities when using these apps43 and significant technological advances were made for privacy-preserving contact-tracing apps44. These advances could help pave the way for the adoption of PCA schemes."

They've been training people like fucking lions in a zoo... make them docile, make them subservient, take their will away, then use them for show.

There are plenty of articles on this.. you just have to pay attention.. this is not a fringe idea. Control under the guise of a crisis.

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I'll have to report you to your god(ess), AOC. They will not be pleased.

People like AOC stand in the way with extreme environmental bullshit. Most of the people under this bridge are from Haiti, that place has been rocked by earthquakes and hurricanes. Naturally these people are going to come either way, it's just how we as a society want to live with it.

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People like AOC stand in the way with extreme environmental bullshit. Most of the people under this bridge are from Haiti, that place has been rocked by earthquakes and hurricanes. Naturally these people are going to come either way, it's just how we as a society want to live with it.

She believes that the best way to save the planet is through socialism. I would think you would also feel the same way.

Also, if socialism works so well.. why not just move to Venezuela? I hear you get a lot of free shit down there.

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

She believes that the best way to save the planet is through socialism. I would think you would also feel the same way.

Also, if socialism works so well.. why not just move to Venezuela? I hear you get a lot of free shit down there.

You and I both have been using socialists programs our entire life. These programs have done extremely well to improve the quality of life for everyone. Public schools, public water and waste, transportation, security have all improved the business environment and quality of life.

Just build less bombs, that's really all we have to do.

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Originally Posted by Neveragain

You and I both have been using socialists programs our entire life. These programs have done extremely well to improve the quality of life for everyone. Public schools, public water and waste, transportation, security have all improved the business environment and quality of life.

Just build less bombs, that's really all we have to do.

It sounds like you have no idea what socialism is.

SPOILER: Public utilities isn't what socialism is all about.. if it were, people like AOC wouldn't be espousing for us to become a socialist country.

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

It sounds like you have no idea what socialism is.

SPOILER: Public utilities isn't what socialism is all about.. if it were, people like AOC wouldn't be espousing for us to become a socialist country.

I know the idea of change is scary. The world is an ever changing place and part of being human is adjusting to those changes. Just because we had to push rocks up hill 60 hours a week doesn't mean we shouldn't strive towards a society that can do the same work in 35 hours.

There's no reason our great grandchildren need to attend our parents school system. The Greatest generation came back from the war, had lots of babies and collectively invested in this countries infrastructure. The improvements they made placed our country among the best in the world to live.

We can continue that society by simply building less bombs.

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Originally Posted by Neveragain

I know the idea of change is scary. The world is an ever changing place and part of being human is adjusting to those changes. Just because we had to push rocks up hill 60 hours a week doesn't mean we shouldn't strive towards a society that can do the same work in 35 hours.

There's no reason our great grandchildren need to attend our parents school system. The Greatest generation came back from the war, had lots of babies and collectively invested in this countries infrastructure. The improvements they made placed our country among the best in the world to live.

We can continue that society by simply building less bombs.

I don't have any problem with reducing the money we spend on the military... especially if the other members of NATO start pulling their "fair share"......

Is anyone really arguing that? I don't believe so.

But that is a far cry from "ZOMG WE MUST STRIVE FOR SOCIALISM!" which you are espousing now.

Venezuela is a perfect example of how socialism is a shit system.

You eventually run out of other people's money.

But if you are striving for change.. why not move there and experience it in all of it's glory?

I know change can be scary... don't be a gigantic pussy about it though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v12D_9fmOXQ

https://www.staradvertiser.com/2021/...-at-nightclub/

Remember... make sure to listen to those elected leaders that "care" so much for you. While they make you paranoid, make you hate your neighbor, make you feel self-righteous for "doing the right thing" as you "shame others"... just remember...

THEY DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT YOU. It's all political.

And fuck people that give in... and give up their personal freedoms because some dipshit politician tells them it's for their own good. Fucking idiots.

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Originally Posted by Neveragain

You and I both have been using socialists programs our entire life. These programs have done extremely well to improve the quality of life for everyone. Public schools, public water and waste, transportation, security have all improved the business environment and quality of life.

Just build less bombs, that's really all we have to do.

All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/psaki-inv...195700054.html

You can tell Biden really cares. /rolls eyes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA8x4lYeYxs

America under Biden. Dude really cares doesn't he?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA8x4lYeYxs

https://news.yahoo.com/amazons-ai-po...164552712.html

Any over/under for when they might try to force it into peoples personal vehicles?

I'm going to go with within 5 years.

What's your bet?

HOLY FUCK... I was just reading about the Amazon thing and posted that... not kidding... so I was like well let me google if this insanity has ever been mentioned... because I honestly thought it hadn't been... BUT...

https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/20...ras-mandatory/

"Section 13002 of the bill includes a “per-mile user fee pilot” designed to help offset the highway infrastructure money lost via fuel taxes as vehicles become more efficient and/or electrified. Unfortunately the program aims to use connected OBD-II devices, OEM-collected telematic data, smartphone app, and information from insurance companies to effectively allow the government to track your whereabouts 24/7 and set up a payment plan using information you didn’t necessarily give up willingly."

"However, the proposed system may also include driver-monitoring cameras, totally undermining any nobility the cause might otherwise have had."

They're already trying it with this supposed "Infrastructure Bill"... Jesus fucking Christ these fuckers seriously want 1984 and all of us under their thumb.

You all that have disagreed with me for months/years... what do you think of that? Is this close enough to home to know that a camera + all digital information in your vehicle will be sent and used by the Government to tax your money and observe you?

Swear the general public, and myself in some cases, don't even realize how bad these Democrats politicians are.

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Originally Posted by Shaps

HOLY FUCK... I was just reading about the Amazon thing and posted that... not kidding... so I was like well let me google if this insanity has ever been mentioned... because I honestly thought it hadn't been... BUT...

https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/20...ras-mandatory/

"Section 13002 of the bill includes a “per-mile user fee pilot” designed to help offset the highway infrastructure money lost via fuel taxes as vehicles become more efficient and/or electrified. Unfortunately the program aims to use connected OBD-II devices, OEM-collected telematic data, smartphone app, and information from insurance companies to effectively allow the government to track your whereabouts 24/7 and set up a payment plan using information you didn’t necessarily give up willingly."

"However, the proposed system may also include driver-monitoring cameras, totally undermining any nobility the cause might otherwise have had."

They're already trying it with this supposed "Infrastructure Bill"... Jesus fucking Christ these fuckers seriously want 1984 and all of us under their thumb.

You all that have disagreed with me for months/years... what do you think of that? Is this close enough to home to know that a camera + all digital information in your vehicle will be sent and used by the Government to tax your money and observe you?

Swear the general public, and myself in some cases, don't even realize how bad these Democrats politicians are.

It's also voluntary, if people sign up for it they're idiots.

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Swear the general public, and myself in some cases, don't even realize how bad these Democrats politicians are.

The vast majority of Republicans are just as shitty. Besides running their mouths on FOX, what are the Republican actions?

Republicans will get their kickbacks and fold like a cheap suit. For fuck sakes Karl Rove has managed to snake his fat fucking face back into the scene as some sort of revolutionary.

At this point, the best thing that can happen is for the mandates to be put in place and 10's of millions of people walk off the job.

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It's also voluntary, if people sign up for it they're idiots.

Voluntary until not enough people volunteer then it will be mandatory.

You must be new to how government works?

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Originally Posted by Neveragain

Besides running their mouths on FOX, what are the Republican actions?

Literally the only saving grace for most Republicans is they aren't as batshit insane as Democrats. That's it. That should just be the party's motto now: "It's either us or the batshit insane party. Who you gonna vote for?"

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Voluntary until not enough people volunteer then it will be mandatory.

You must be new to how government works?

Won't happen. States won't assign their taxation rights to the Federal government for car purchases, nor will they trust the Feds to fairly collect and distribute fees

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Originally Posted by Shaps

https://www.yahoo.com/news/psaki-inv...195700054.html

You can tell Biden really cares. /rolls eyes

"Sorry I blew up all those kids but my son died of cancer."

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Originally Posted by Seran

Won't happen. States won't assign their taxation rights to the Federal government for car purchases, nor will they trust the Feds to fairly collect and distribute fees

The feds will cut funding to states that don't fall in line. We have been through this before.

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Originally Posted by Neveragain

The vast majority of Republicans are just as shitty. Besides running their mouths on FOX, what are the Republican actions?

Republicans will get their kickbacks and fold like a cheap suit. For fuck sakes Karl Rove has managed to snake his fat fucking face back into the scene as some sort of revolutionary.

At this point, the best thing that can happen is for the mandates to be put in place and 10's of millions of people walk off the job.

You're 100% correct. I amended the statement to just "politicians"... political sides are mute at this point. Thanks for calling it out.

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Literally the only saving grace for most Republicans is they aren't as batshit insane as Democrats. That's it. That should just be the party's motto now: "It's either us or the batshit insane party. Who you gonna vote for?"

If Republicans lying about WMD's to get us to invade Iraq and completely destabilizing the region isn't batshit insane, I'm not sure what constitutes batshit insane. Republicans over the past 20 years have been the most batshit insane.

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Originally Posted by Neveragain

The feds will cut funding to states that don't fall in line. We have been through this before.

Conspiracy theory ahoy

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Originally Posted by Seran

I don't understand the behavior of government.

That's why droning an aid worker and a bunch of children are your idea of "peace, out"

The feds have used funding to leverage states countless times. It's especially predominant when it comes to transportation.

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Originally Posted by Neveragain

If Republicans lying about WMD's to get us to invade Iraq and completely destabilizing the region isn't batshit insane, I'm not sure what constitutes batshit insane. Republicans over the past 20 years have been the most batshit insane.

You believing that it was only Republicans that thought Iraq had WMD just reinforces your ignorance on the subject.

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Originally Posted by Neveragain

That's why droning an aid worker and a bunch of children are your idea of "peace, out"

The feds have used funding to leverage states countless times. It's especially predominant when it comes to transportation.

Seran the Trump isn't about to lose any sleep over some brown kids dying to a drone strike.

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Originally Posted by Neveragain

If Republicans lying about WMD's to get us to invade Iraq and completely destabilizing the region isn't batshit insane, I'm not sure what constitutes batshit insane. Republicans over the past 20 years have been the most batshit insane.

You believing that it was only Republicans that thought Iraq had WMD just reinforces your ignorance on the subject.

Except Republicans and Democrats didn't randomly believe that Iraq had WMDs - they believed it because they were sold a false bill of goods by a Republican administration using a fabricated pretext for war, which is what he was saying was batshit insane.

Your hilarious failure to understand the most basic positions in your native language is precisely what earned you that Retard Championship diaper, Tardbandit. Stick to your meltdown thread.

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Originally Posted by Ashliana

Except Republicans and Democrats didn't randomly believe that Iraq had WMDs - they believed it because they were sold a false bill of goods by a Republican administration using a fabricated pretext for war, which is what he was saying was batshit insane.

Your hilarious failure to understand the most basic positions in your native language is precisely what earned you that Retard Championship diaper, Tardbandit. Stick to your meltdown thread.

On the other hand, the CEO of Haliburton, aka The Vice President at the time made stupid amounts of money from that war.

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Originally Posted by Neveragain

If Republicans lying about WMD's to get us to invade Iraq and completely destabilizing the region isn't batshit insane, I'm not sure what constitutes batshit insane. Republicans over the past 20 years have been the most batshit insane.

Just about everyone voted to invade Iraq, including Biden.

Democrats are currently telling us men can give birth, men should be allowed in women sports and changing rooms. and pushing racist shit on school children such as critical race theory.

I’ll take the party that doesn’t push that shit any day.

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

Just about everyone voted to invade Iraq, including Biden.

Democrats are currently telling us men can give birth, men should be allowed in women sports and changing rooms. and pushing racist shit on school children such as critical race theory.

I’ll take the party that doesn’t push that shit any day.

Just about everyone voted to invade Iraq after being lied to.

I'm not denying that the Democrats are fucked up, though, I'm not going to ignore that Republicans can always find the courage to spend billions on bombs but renewing our infrastructure is out of the question.

"We have to abandon the free market to save the free market." ~ War criminal and chief, George W. Bush

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Originally Posted by Neveragain

Just about everyone voted to invade Iraq after being lied to.

I'm not denying that the Democrats are fucked up, though, I'm not going to ignore that Republicans can always find the courage to spend billions on bombs but renewing our infrastructure is out of the question.

"We have to abandon the free market to save the free market." ~ War criminal and chief, George W. Bush

Both parties are war mongering ghouls who love to spend money. I’m talking about what makes them different and the differences is what makes the Democrat party batshit crazy.

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On the other hand, the CEO of Haliburton, aka The Vice President at the time made stupid amounts of money from that war.

Everybody involved, democrat and republican, made stupid amounts from the wars.

I haven't had to remind stupid people how many Democrats believed that Iraq had WMDs...

For your reading pleasure.. I present this wall of text:

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." -- From a letter signed by Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, & John Kerry among others on October 9, 1998

"This December will mark three years since United Nations inspectors last visited Iraq. There is no doubt that since that time, Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to refine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer- range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." -- From a December 6, 2001 letter signed by Bob Graham, Joe Lieberman, Harold Ford, & Tom Lantos among others

"Whereas Iraq has consistently breached its cease-fire agreement between Iraq and the United States, entered into on March 3, 1991, by failing to dismantle its weapons of mass destruction program, and refusing to permit monitoring and verification by United Nations inspections; Whereas Iraq has developed weapons of mass destruction, including chemical and biological capabilities, and has made positive progress toward developing nuclear weapons capabilities" -- From a joint resolution submitted by Tom Harkin and Arlen Specter on July 18, 2002

"Saddam's goal ... is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed." -- Madeline Albright, 1998

"(Saddam) will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and some day, some way, I am certain he will use that arsenal again, as he has 10 times since 1983" -- National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, Feb 18, 1998

"Iraq made commitments after the Gulf War to completely dismantle all weapons of mass destruction, and unfortunately, Iraq has not lived up to its agreement." -- Barbara Boxer, November 8, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retained some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capability. Intelligence reports also indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons, but has not yet achieved nuclear capability." -- Robert Byrd, October 2002

"There's no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat... Yes, he has chemical and biological weapons. He's had those for a long time. But the United States right now is on a very much different defensive posture than we were before September 11th of 2001... He is, as far as we know, actively pursuing nuclear capabilities, though he doesn't have nuclear warheads yet. If he were to acquire nuclear weapons, I think our friends in the region would face greatly increased risks as would we." -- Wesley Clark on September 26, 2002

"What is at stake is how to answer the potential threat Iraq represents with the risk of proliferation of WMD. Baghdad's regime did use such weapons in the past. Today, a number of evidences may lead to think that, over the past four years, in the absence of international inspectors, this country has continued armament programs." -- Jacques Chirac, October 16, 2002

"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow." -- Bill Clinton in 1998

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security." -- Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002

"I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons...I saw evidence back in 1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those trucks out." -- Clinton's Secretary of Defense William Cohen in April of 2003

"Iraq is not the only nation in the world to possess weapons of mass destruction, but it is the only nation with a leader who has used them against his own people." -- Tom Daschle in 1998

"Saddam Hussein's regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal." -- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002

"The debate over Iraq is not about politics. It is about national security. It should be clear that our national security requires Congress to send a clear message to Iraq and the world: America is united in its determination to eliminate forever the threat of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction." -- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002

"I share the administration's goals in dealing with Iraq and its weapons of mass destruction." -- Dick Gephardt in September of 2002

"Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and we should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to weapons of mass destruction. Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -- Al Gore, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." -- Bob Graham, December 2002

"Saddam Hussein is not the only deranged dictator who is willing to deprive his people in order to acquire weapons of mass destruction." -- Jim Jeffords, October 8, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." -- Ted Kennedy, September 27, 2002

"There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein's regime is a serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed." -- Ted Kennedy, Sept 27, 2002

"I will be voting to give the president of the United States the authority to use force - if necessary - to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." -- John F. Kerry, Oct 2002

"The threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but as I said, it is not new. It has been with us since the end of that war, and particularly in the last 4 years we know after Operation Desert Fox failed to force him to reaccept them, that he has continued to build those weapons. He has had a free hand for 4 years to reconstitute these weapons, allowing the world, during the interval, to lose the focus we had on weapons of mass destruction and the issue of proliferation." -- John Kerry, October 9, 2002

"(W)e need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime. We all know the litany of his offenses. He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. ...And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. That is why the world, through the United Nations Security Council, has spoken with one voice, demanding that Iraq disclose its weapons programs and disarm. So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but it is not new. It has been with us since the end of the Persian Gulf War." -- John Kerry, Jan 23, 2003

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandates of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them." -- Carl Levin, Sept 19, 2002

"Every day Saddam remains in power with chemical weapons, biological weapons, and the development of nuclear weapons is a day of danger for the United States." -- Joe Lieberman, August, 2002

"Over the years, Iraq has worked to develop nuclear, chemical and biological weapons. During 1991 - 1994, despite Iraq's denials, U.N. inspectors discovered and dismantled a large network of nuclear facilities that Iraq was using to develop nuclear weapons. Various reports indicate that Iraq is still actively pursuing nuclear weapons capability. There is no reason to think otherwise. Beyond nuclear weapons, Iraq has actively pursued biological and chemical weapons.U.N. inspectors have said that Iraq's claims about biological weapons is neither credible nor verifiable. In 1986, Iraq used chemical weapons against Iran, and later, against its own Kurdish population. While weapons inspections have been successful in the past, there have been no inspections since the end of 1998. There can be no doubt that Iraq has continued to pursue its goal of obtaining weapons of mass destruction." -- Patty Murray, October 9, 2002

"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." -- Nancy Pelosi, December 16, 1998

"Even today, Iraq is not nearly disarmed. Based on highly credible intelligence, UNSCOM [the U.N. weapons inspectors] suspects that Iraq still has biological agents like anthrax, botulinum toxin, and clostridium perfringens in sufficient quantity to fill several dozen bombs and ballistic missile warheads, as well as the means to continue manufacturing these deadly agents. Iraq probably retains several tons of the highly toxic VX substance, as well as sarin nerve gas and mustard gas. This agent is stored in artillery shells, bombs, and ballistic missile warheads. And Iraq retains significant dual-use industrial infrastructure that can be used to rapidly reconstitute large-scale chemical weapons production." -- Ex-Un Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter in 1998

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years. And that may happen sooner if he can obtain access to enriched uranium from foreign sources -- something that is not that difficult in the current world. We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." -- John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002

"Saddam’s existing biological and chemical weapons capabilities pose a very real threat to America, now. Saddam has used chemical weapons before, both against Iraq’s enemies and against his own people. He is working to develop delivery systems like missiles and unmanned aerial vehicles that could bring these deadly weapons against U.S. forces and U.S. facilities in the Middle East." -- John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002

"Whether one agrees or disagrees with the Administration’s policy towards Iraq, I don’t think there can be any question about Saddam’s conduct. He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do. He lies and cheats; he snubs the mandate and authority of international weapons inspectors; and he games the system to keep buying time against enforcement of the just and legitimate demands of the United Nations, the Security Council, the United States and our allies. Those are simply the facts." -- Henry Waxman, Oct 10, 2002

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I haven't had to remind stupid people how many Democrats believed that Iraq had WMDs...

For your reading pleasure.. I present this wall of text:

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." -- From a letter signed by Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, & John Kerry among others on October 9, 1998

"This December will mark three years since United Nations inspectors last visited Iraq. There is no doubt that since that time, Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to refine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer- range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." -- From a December 6, 2001 letter signed by Bob Graham, Joe Lieberman, Harold Ford, & Tom Lantos among others

"Whereas Iraq has consistently breached its cease-fire agreement between Iraq and the United States, entered into on March 3, 1991, by failing to dismantle its weapons of mass destruction program, and refusing to permit monitoring and verification by United Nations inspections; Whereas Iraq has developed weapons of mass destruction, including chemical and biological capabilities, and has made positive progress toward developing nuclear weapons capabilities" -- From a joint resolution submitted by Tom Harkin and Arlen Specter on July 18, 2002

"Saddam's goal ... is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed." -- Madeline Albright, 1998

"(Saddam) will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and some day, some way, I am certain he will use that arsenal again, as he has 10 times since 1983" -- National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, Feb 18, 1998

"Iraq made commitments after the Gulf War to completely dismantle all weapons of mass destruction, and unfortunately, Iraq has not lived up to its agreement." -- Barbara Boxer, November 8, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retained some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capability. Intelligence reports also indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons, but has not yet achieved nuclear capability." -- Robert Byrd, October 2002

"There's no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat... Yes, he has chemical and biological weapons. He's had those for a long time. But the United States right now is on a very much different defensive posture than we were before September 11th of 2001... He is, as far as we know, actively pursuing nuclear capabilities, though he doesn't have nuclear warheads yet. If he were to acquire nuclear weapons, I think our friends in the region would face greatly increased risks as would we." -- Wesley Clark on September 26, 2002

"What is at stake is how to answer the potential threat Iraq represents with the risk of proliferation of WMD. Baghdad's regime did use such weapons in the past. Today, a number of evidences may lead to think that, over the past four years, in the absence of international inspectors, this country has continued armament programs." -- Jacques Chirac, October 16, 2002

"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow." -- Bill Clinton in 1998

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security." -- Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002

"I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons...I saw evidence back in 1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those trucks out." -- Clinton's Secretary of Defense William Cohen in April of 2003

"Iraq is not the only nation in the world to possess weapons of mass destruction, but it is the only nation with a leader who has used them against his own people." -- Tom Daschle in 1998

"Saddam Hussein's regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal." -- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002

"The debate over Iraq is not about politics. It is about national security. It should be clear that our national security requires Congress to send a clear message to Iraq and the world: America is united in its determination to eliminate forever the threat of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction." -- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002

"I share the administration's goals in dealing with Iraq and its weapons of mass destruction." -- Dick Gephardt in September of 2002

"Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and we should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to weapons of mass destruction. Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -- Al Gore, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." -- Bob Graham, December 2002

"Saddam Hussein is not the only deranged dictator who is willing to deprive his people in order to acquire weapons of mass destruction." -- Jim Jeffords, October 8, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." -- Ted Kennedy, September 27, 2002

"There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein's regime is a serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed." -- Ted Kennedy, Sept 27, 2002

"I will be voting to give the president of the United States the authority to use force - if necessary - to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." -- John F. Kerry, Oct 2002

"The threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but as I said, it is not new. It has been with us since the end of that war, and particularly in the last 4 years we know after Operation Desert Fox failed to force him to reaccept them, that he has continued to build those weapons. He has had a free hand for 4 years to reconstitute these weapons, allowing the world, during the interval, to lose the focus we had on weapons of mass destruction and the issue of proliferation." -- John Kerry, October 9, 2002

"(W)e need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime. We all know the litany of his offenses. He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. ...And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. That is why the world, through the United Nations Security Council, has spoken with one voice, demanding that Iraq disclose its weapons programs and disarm. So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but it is not new. It has been with us since the end of the Persian Gulf War." -- John Kerry, Jan 23, 2003

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandates of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them." -- Carl Levin, Sept 19, 2002

"Every day Saddam remains in power with chemical weapons, biological weapons, and the development of nuclear weapons is a day of danger for the United States." -- Joe Lieberman, August, 2002

"Over the years, Iraq has worked to develop nuclear, chemical and biological weapons. During 1991 - 1994, despite Iraq's denials, U.N. inspectors discovered and dismantled a large network of nuclear facilities that Iraq was using to develop nuclear weapons. Various reports indicate that Iraq is still actively pursuing nuclear weapons capability. There is no reason to think otherwise. Beyond nuclear weapons, Iraq has actively pursued biological and chemical weapons.U.N. inspectors have said that Iraq's claims about biological weapons is neither credible nor verifiable. In 1986, Iraq used chemical weapons against Iran, and later, against its own Kurdish population. While weapons inspections have been successful in the past, there have been no inspections since the end of 1998. There can be no doubt that Iraq has continued to pursue its goal of obtaining weapons of mass destruction." -- Patty Murray, October 9, 2002

"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." -- Nancy Pelosi, December 16, 1998

"Even today, Iraq is not nearly disarmed. Based on highly credible intelligence, UNSCOM [the U.N. weapons inspectors] suspects that Iraq still has biological agents like anthrax, botulinum toxin, and clostridium perfringens in sufficient quantity to fill several dozen bombs and ballistic missile warheads, as well as the means to continue manufacturing these deadly agents. Iraq probably retains several tons of the highly toxic VX substance, as well as sarin nerve gas and mustard gas. This agent is stored in artillery shells, bombs, and ballistic missile warheads. And Iraq retains significant dual-use industrial infrastructure that can be used to rapidly reconstitute large-scale chemical weapons production." -- Ex-Un Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter in 1998

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years. And that may happen sooner if he can obtain access to enriched uranium from foreign sources -- something that is not that difficult in the current world. We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." -- John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002

"Saddam’s existing biological and chemical weapons capabilities pose a very real threat to America, now. Saddam has used chemical weapons before, both against Iraq’s enemies and against his own people. He is working to develop delivery systems like missiles and unmanned aerial vehicles that could bring these deadly weapons against U.S. forces and U.S. facilities in the Middle East." -- John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002

"Whether one agrees or disagrees with the Administration’s policy towards Iraq, I don’t think there can be any question about Saddam’s conduct. He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do. He lies and cheats; he snubs the mandate and authority of international weapons inspectors; and he games the system to keep buying time against enforcement of the just and legitimate demands of the United Nations, the Security Council, the United States and our allies. Those are simply the facts." -- Henry Waxman, Oct 10, 2002

After being lied to. Not sure why you're having such a hard time understanding this.

This is bizarre AF.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQbWJlgFuqc

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I haven't had to remind stupid people how many Democrats believed that Iraq had WMDs...

For your reading pleasure.. I present this wall of text:

# of quotes that in any way address what Neveragain called batshit insane: 0

People across the aisle had suspicions about Iraq, based on Hussein's behavior. Only Republicans knowingly and deliberately mislead the US into a war based on uncorroborated intelligence, that cost trillions of dollars, the lives of thousands of U.S. soldiers, and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians.

Better luck next time, RTC.

Fabricated intelligence. Those God damn tubes were the talk of the country

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This is bizarre AF.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQbWJlgFuqc

Biden legit looks like a confused old man who doesn't know where he is or what's going on.

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After being lied to. Not sure why you're having such a hard time understanding this.

So, in your head, you believe that President W Bush lied to them all so he could start the Iraq War?

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This is bizarre AF.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQbWJlgFuqc

https://i.imgur.com/GNX7JBZ.png

https://www.yahoo.com/news/psaki-ann...173116289.html

"Psaki Announces Del Rio Border Patrol Will No Longer Use Horses in Response to False ‘Whip’ Narrative"

“We could not see it as any more different from the policy of the prior administration, which the president feels — we all feel — was inhumane, immoral, ineffective, wasn’t operationally working and, because of the dysfunction of it, we have led to a very broken system that we’re dealing with today.”

This administration are fucking morons, and they try to blame it on the previous. Amazing.

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/psaki-ann...173116289.html

"Psaki Announces Del Rio Border Patrol Will No Longer Use Horses in Response to False ‘Whip’ Narrative"

“We could not see it as any more different from the policy of the prior administration, which the president feels — we all feel — was inhumane, immoral, ineffective, wasn’t operationally working and, because of the dysfunction of it, we have led to a very broken system that we’re dealing with today.”

This administration are fucking morons, and they try to blame it on the previous. Amazing.

I hope they start using ATVs or something instead now. Or dirt bikes, but Road Rash style.

https://i.gifer.com/KnUp.gif

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I hope they start using ATVs or something instead now. Or dirt bikes, but Road Rash style.

https://i.gifer.com/KnUp.gif

They have ATVs and dirt bikes. They liked horses because they were quieter.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/white-hou...202300348.html

"White House ordered border authorities to clear out bridge by Friday evening ahead of BLM protest: Sources"

LOL - Just so it can't be seen! Can't have that! Fuck the sovereignty of the Nation as a guiding metric...

And now BLM is going against them? ROFL... once you let the crazies loose (the Organization) it's hard to put a lid on it.

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They have ATVs and dirt bikes. They liked horses because they were quieter.

JUST MAKE THE DIRT BIKES BE QUIETER!!!!!!!!

The Biden administration literally committed a war crime when they droned seven children in Afghanistan.
Democrats: YAWN!

Border patrol agents have the audacity to ride horses so the media makes up a bullshit story that they were whipping migrants.
Democrats: REAL SHIT!!!!!

Oh but wait, who are they angry at? Are they angry at the president like they were each and every time the federal government did something they didn't approve of, like what they did under Trump? No of course not! They are somehow still pissed at Trump because they have spun the narrative that border patrol agents were issued whips under Trump or some dumb shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1U-hsGMxn9Q

Leader of the Free World.. /sigh.. I disagree with the guys policies, how he's being used, what he's doing to our country.. but this is just sad to watch..

They so completely divided the Country into mindless "minions", that watching something so clearly fucked up is able to be wiped away with handlers and media. I don't care what side you're on... no one should watch this President and be okay with his cognitive capabilities at this point.

This is just one example, you'd have to be 100% partisan to not watch him speak/do news conferences and see that he is not ok.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1U-hsGMxn9Q

Leader of the Free World.. /sigh.. I disagree with the guys policies, how he's being used, what he's doing to our country.. but this is just sad to watch..

They so completely divided the Country into mindless "minions", that watching something so clearly fucked up is able to be wiped away with handlers and media. I don't care what side you're on... no one should watch this President and be okay with his cognitive capabilities at this point.

This is just one example, you'd have to be 100% partisan to not watch him speak/do news conferences and see that he is not ok.

https://i.imgur.com/bcnkfXK.jpg

Check out Biden’s white supremacy.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1U-hsGMxn9Q

Leader of the Free World.. /sigh.. I disagree with the guys policies, how he's being used, what he's doing to our country.. but this is just sad to watch..

They so completely divided the Country into mindless "minions", that watching something so clearly fucked up is able to be wiped away with handlers and media. I don't care what side you're on... no one should watch this President and be okay with his cognitive capabilities at this point.

This is just one example, you'd have to be 100% partisan to not watch him speak/do news conferences and see that he is not ok.

Actual footage of people searching for Shaps when Trump rambled about how our "army took over the airports" in 1775, then blamed his teleprompter:

https://media.giphy.com/media/3orieT...giphy.gif&ct=g

https://www.yahoo.com/news/biden-dow...195900214.html

"“If Haiti, a god awful thing to say, if Haiti just quietly sunk into the Caribbean or rose up 300 feet, it wouldn't matter a whole lot in terms of our interest,” Biden told Charlie Rose, then of PBS."

Biden... he cares. LOL

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/biden-dow...195900214.html

"“If Haiti, a god awful thing to say, if Haiti just quietly sunk into the Caribbean or rose up 300 feet, it wouldn't matter a whole lot in terms of our interest,” Biden told Charlie Rose, then of PBS."

Biden... he cares. LOL

That's hilarious.

Trump supposedly calls countries "shithole countries".
Democrats: OMG! So racist! Worst president ever!!!!

Biden literally says he doesn't give a shit if all of the people of Haiti were to drown tomorrow.
Democrats:

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/biden-dow...195900214.html

"“If Haiti, a god awful thing to say, if Haiti just quietly sunk into the Caribbean or rose up 300 feet, it wouldn't matter a whole lot in terms of our interest,” Biden told Charlie Rose, then of PBS."

Biden... he cares. LOL

That's a quote taken seriously out of context, that it's from a right wing nut job magazine like the Examiner isn't surprising. Or that you fucknobs are peddling it.

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The distinction between Bosnia and Haiti, for example. If, if, if some of us are right on Bosnia, that this ethnic cleansing has the potential to rear its ugly head in Ukraine in, in, in, in Belarus in the former Soviet Union, where they have major arsenals of nuclear weapons, where they have long histories of national wars, where ethnicity dominates, that is of phenomenal potential consequence to the United States. If Haiti, a God awful thing to say, if Haiti just quietly sunk into the Caribbean or rose up 300 feet, it wouldn't matter a whole lot in terms of our interest.

Then Senator Biden was saying in comparison to Bosnia, where an ethnic cleansing was taking place, where nuclear weapons were in the region, that America's focus is there. He wae saying Haiti, which had just suffered a coup, was not of the same vital national interest as Bosnia for the reasons he reiterated in the same paragraph which was selectively truncated by the Examiner.

Biden was right. In comparison, a genocide and a risk of nuclear weapon proliferation was a much higher priority to be resolved than Haiti attempting that moment.

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That's a quote taken seriously out of context

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That's hilarious.

Trump supposedly calls countries "shithole countries".
Democrats: OMG! So racist! Worst president ever!!!!

Biden literally says he doesn't give a shit if all of the people of Haiti were to drown tomorrow.
Democrats:

Did I call it or what? Seran then has the audacity to call other people racist when he bends over backwards to defend, support, and vote for an old racist white man who says he doesn't give a shit if a nation of 11+ million mostly black people were to sink into the ocean.

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Did I call it or what? Seran then has the audacity to call other people racist when he bends over backwards to defend, support, and vote for an old racist white man who says he doesn't give a shit if a nation of 11+ million mostly black people were to sink into the ocean.

The irony is that you knew what you were quoting was wrong and have the audacity to claim coup when you were called out for it. Good job eating up that mangled 26 year old quote, your daily dose of Partisan-Os is important for keeping your panties wet.

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Did I call it or what? Seran then has the audacity to call other people racist when he bends over backwards to defend, support, and vote for an old racist white man who says he doesn't give a shit if a nation of 11+ million mostly black people were to sink into the ocean.

He actually doesn't get what is being said...

Biden flat out says (paraphrasing) - "Haiti doesn't matter and is of no benefit to us, so if it and it's people disappeared, who cares."

Not surprising really... Biden "cares".

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That's a quote taken seriously out of context, that it's from a right wing nut job magazine like the Examiner isn't surprising. Or that you fucknobs are peddling it.

Then Senator Biden was saying in comparison to Bosnia, where an ethnic cleansing was taking place, where nuclear weapons were in the region, that America's focus is there. He wae saying Haiti, which had just suffered a coup, was not of the same vital national interest as Bosnia for the reasons he reiterated in the same paragraph which was selectively truncated by the Examiner.

Biden was right. In comparison, a genocide and a risk of nuclear weapon proliferation was a much higher priority to be resolved than Haiti attempting that moment.

I like how you keep getting more angry with each post you make. :lol:

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I like how you keep getting more angry with each post you make. :lol:

Simping for Shaps now? Yikes.

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Simping for Shaps now? Yikes.

Not so famous last words?

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Not so famous last words?

:lol:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/universit...190000145.html

"University establishes separate housing for 'diversity of Black and African American' people"

Progress...

The stupidity of people never ceases to amaze.

https://www.msn.com/en-in/money/tech...lny/ar-AAORY5v

https://www.yahoo.com/news/racist-gr...141200977.html

"Racist graffiti that led to walkouts was made by nonwhite student, Missouri school district says"

Oops... guess the French actor Juicy Smollette (pronounced Schm-o-lay) isn't the only one...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/undocumen...234321977.html

"Undocumented immigrants are forced to choose between deportation and abortion because of the restrictive new abortion law in Texas"

WTF is going on... LOL... this is fucking bizarro world, has been for awhile. This country is done for - 50 years tops, if not sooner.

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/undocumen...234321977.html

"Undocumented immigrants are forced to choose between deportation and abortion because of the restrictive new abortion law in Texas"

WTF is going on... LOL... this is fucking bizarro world, has been for awhile. This country is done for - 50 years tops, if not sooner.

Yeah that article is missing the reality that most illegal immigrants don't want abortions and in fact come to United States while pregnant with the hopes of giving birth on American soil and thus having a legal reason to argue against deportation due to birthright citizenship.

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Yeah that article is missing the reality that most illegal immigrants don't want abortions and in fact come to United States while pregnant with the hopes of gaming the system via anchor babies.

Fixed.

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Yeah that article is missing the reality that most illegal immigrants don't want abortions and in fact come to United States while pregnant with the hopes of giving birth on American soil and thus having a legal reason to argue against deportation due to birthright citizenship.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe most people that do the anchor baby shit aren’t coming illegally, they actually come legally. I know they have agencies all across Asia and Eastern Europe specifically for this.

Edited: what the agencies do are illegal, but the people who come are coming on valid US visas.

Edited: birthing tourism is a very lucrative business, with almost zero consequences.

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Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe most people that do the anchor baby shit aren’t coming illegally, they actually come legally. I know they have agencies all across Asia and Eastern Europe specifically for this.

Edited: what the agencies do are illegal, but the people who come are coming on valid US visas.

Edited: birthing tourism is a very lucrative business, with almost zero consequences.

I was speaking specifically to those here without a valid visa or green card. Folks who come across the border illegally, have a child shortly after arriving and claim birther rights on behalf of their child.

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I was speaking specifically to those here without a valid visa or green card. Folks who come across the border illegally, have a child shortly after arriving and claim birther rights on behalf of their child.

Yeah I gotcha on that. Just wanted to elaborate more on it.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-might-...135331069.html

"It's too soon to determine whether families can gather for Christmas; 90% vaccination rate might be needed: Live COVID updates"

You recall all those batshit insane people saying Trump was a Fascist?

Read above to see what real fascism is... Government telling you when you can and can't see your own family. Especially with vaccines and information readily available, as opposed to the initial "slow the spread" of "two weeks". Fuck that piece of shit asshole, and all the politicians that try to pull this shit. This fucker really does think he is untouchable, and really likes the power he's wielding.

People need to start pulling their heads out of their ass, and recognize what they're trying to do... create a meek and subservient citizenry for the political elite.

Can't believe that asshole even suggested that shit... I'm sure he'll be visiting with his family though. Jackass.

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-might-...135331069.html

"It's too soon to determine whether families can gather for Christmas; 90% vaccination rate might be needed: Live COVID updates"

You recall all those batshit insane people saying Trump was a Fascist?

Read above to see what real fascism is... Government telling you when you can and can't see your own family. Especially with vaccines and information readily available, as opposed to the initial "slow the spread" of "two weeks". Fuck that piece of shit asshole, and all the politicians that try to pull this shit. This fucker really does think he is untouchable, and really likes the power he's wielding.

People need to start pulling their heads out of their ass, and recognize what they're trying to do... create a meek and subservient citizenry for the political elite.

Can't believe that asshole even suggested that shit... I'm sure he'll be visiting with his family though. Jackass.

Jesus fucking Christ. Fauci needs to be put in a prison cell already. Enough is enough already.

He whipped everyone up into an hysterical frenzy, worried they were going to be killed if they went outside, then tells everyone he and only he can save them from the panic he caused. If he had just a bit more power he could be the next Hitler in the making.

Speaking of dipshit Fauci, here was his response when asked if illegal aliens could be driving infection numbers up:

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"No, absolutely not," he said. "If you just look at the data and look at the people who have gotten infected, look at the people who are in the hospital, look at the people who've died. This is not driven by immigrants."

How is it I have a better understanding of what's going on than the "top infectious disease expert" in the US? Either he is completely fucking dumb and doesn't know his job, or he's lying to you all. My guess: he's lying to you all because he is a pathological liar.

Typically younger people illegally cross the border. Younger people typically don't get as sick from the China virus thus they wouldn't be showing up in great numbers at hospitals. However, a young and healthy person can get infected and they can pass that infection on to someone else.

So saying this dumb shit of "Of course not! Look at the people in the hospital and the people who are dying! They aren't illegal aliens!" means absolutely nothing because young and healthy people typically don't get sick and don't die, but they sure as shit can get infected and pass it on to others.

Seriously fuck this guy.

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Speaking of dipshit Fauci, here was his response when asked if illegal aliens could be driving infection numbers up:

How is it I have a better understanding of what's going on than the "top infectious disease expert" in the US? Either he is completely fucking dumb and doesn't know his job, or he's lying to you all. My guess: he's lying to you all because he is a pathological liar.

Typically younger people illegally cross the border. Younger people typically don't get as sick from the China virus thus they wouldn't be showing up in great numbers at hospitals. However, a young and healthy person can get infected and they can pass that infection on to someone else.

So saying this dumb shit of "Of course not! Look at the people in the hospital and the people who are dying! They aren't illegal aliens!" means absolutely nothing because young and healthy people typically don't get sick and don't die, but they sure as shit can get infected and pass it on to others.

Seriously fuck this guy.

Do you have any data or evidence to support your claim that illegal immigrants are driving up infections?

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Do you have any data or evidence to support your claim that illegal immigrants are driving up infections?

I didn't say illegal aliens are driving up infections, I merely pointed to how dumb Fauci's comments are.

But it stands to reason that if almost 60% of Americans are fully vaccinated and the virus is still spreading here then if people are pouring into our country from places with less than 1% vaccinated rate then they are of course spreading the virus. How much they are responsible for I don't know, but I do know that it's bullshit to say "DUHHHHH! They aren't the ones in the hospitals or dying so clearly they aren't spreading it very much! DUHHHHHH!"

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I didn't say illegal aliens are driving up infections, I merely pointed to how dumb Fauci's comments are.

But it stands to reason that if almost 60% of Americans are fully vaccinated and the virus is still spreading here then if people are pouring into our country from places with less than 1% vaccinated rate then they are of course spreading the virus. How much they are responsible for I don't know, but I do know that it's bullshit to say "DUHHHHH! They aren't the ones in the hospitals or dying so clearly they aren't spreading it very much! DUHHHHHH!"

While I agree that illegal immigrants are driving up infections, I think the amount they are driving it up are negligible, I believe that’s what Fauci was implying. The 40% that are unvaccinated are mainly the ones responsible for driving up the infections imo.

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The 40% that are unvaccinated are mainly the ones responsible for driving up the infections imo.

Sure would be nice if we had a non-partisan group of people who would research this and provide us the numbers instead of Fauci just blowing smoke up our asses.

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

Sure would be nice if we had a non-partisan group of people who would research this and provide us the numbers instead of Fauci just blowing smoke up our asses.

That would never happen. If it leans one way or the other, the other side would blow up and call it a partisan bullshit response.

I think we can agree to that.

1. Who can claim if unvaccinated or vaccinated are driving up infections... both can transmit it.

2. How can Fauci claim illegal immigrants are not driving up infections... if there is no data on the number of infected being dropped off all over the country.

3. The Politicians are abusing the living fuck out of this.

4. Fauci somehow still has his job, even after lying (his own e-mails that he tried to redact exposed him) about Covid/Gain of Function research and coordinating with other's involved in that research to downplay all information regarding it... and people still turn to him as a non-partisan authority which is fucking mind-boggling.

5. They're finally working on a pill apparently, but there has been very little drive or push from this Administration to fast-track/support development of modified vaccines to accommodate the viruses mutations... as they do for other viruses.

The political partisanship that has tainted this whole endeavor, will one day be recorded in the history books as one of the most egregious human fuckups ever in my opinion... that's if all information isn't managed by the Big Tech overlords and history rewritten.

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The 40% that are unvaccinated are mainly the ones responsible for driving up the infections imo.

How does this add up when you can spread it just as easily while vaccinated?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFtlK6fuVno

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How does this add up when you can spread it just as easily while vaccinated?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFtlK6fuVno

https://wset.com/news/coronavirus/ar...kthrough-cases

Now, if you hop on over to the Virginia Dept. of Health's breakthrough-cases dashboard, or "COVID-19 Cases by Vaccination Status," you'll see a stat that says:

“Unvaccinated people in the state developed COVID-19 at a rate of 7.4 times that of fully vaccinated people and 2.4 times that of partially vaccinated people.”
That is based on VDH data from January 17, 2021, through Sept. 18, 2021.

As an example.

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Originally Posted by Solkern

https://wset.com/news/coronavirus/ar...kthrough-cases

Now, if you hop on over to the Virginia Dept. of Health's breakthrough-cases dashboard, or "COVID-19 Cases by Vaccination Status," you'll see a stat that says:

“Unvaccinated people in the state developed COVID-19 at a rate of 7.4 times that of fully vaccinated people and 2.4 times that of partially vaccinated people.”
That is based on VDH data from January 17, 2021, through Sept. 18, 2021.

As an example.

Comparatively, you can look up any of your local regional hospitals and they should have published Covid stats. How many people in the hospital with Covid, ICU, on ventilator etc., as well as how many vaccinated vs unvaccinated. Around here it looks like 90%+ unvaccinated.

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Comparatively, you can look up any of your local regional hospitals and they should have published Covid stats. How many people in the hospital with Covid, ICU, on ventilator etc., as well as how many vaccinated vs unvaccinated. Around here it looks like 90%+ unvaccinated.

Yup, the data quite clearly states that the unvaccinated are the ones pushing the infections up by a wide margin.

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Originally Posted by Solkern

https://wset.com/news/coronavirus/ar...kthrough-cases

Now, if you hop on over to the Virginia Dept. of Health's breakthrough-cases dashboard, or "COVID-19 Cases by Vaccination Status," you'll see a stat that says:

“Unvaccinated people in the state developed COVID-19 at a rate of 7.4 times that of fully vaccinated people and 2.4 times that of partially vaccinated people.”
That is based on VDH data from January 17, 2021, through Sept. 18, 2021.

As an example.

Down to go through the breakdown so can appreciate you actually posting some data.. which is a nice change. A perspective on your previous statement, and the data you presented.

1. Unvaccinated "developed" Covid-19 more easily.. that says nothing about transmission.
2. Unvaccinated numbers would be more prevalent, because they have more severe reactions to Covid as a general rule of thumb.. and therefore would look for therapeutics or care more readily.. again, that says nothing about transmission.
3. Titles are misleading... and you have to read all the way through, then actually extrapolate it into the real world and current situations... example:

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...finds-n1280583

"Vaccinated people are less likely to spread Covid, new research finds"

"The new study showed that protection against transmission seemed to wane over time, however. After three months, people who had breakthrough infections after being vaccinated with AstraZeneca were just as likely to spread the delta variant as the unvaccinated. While protection against transmission decreased in people who had received the Pfizer vaccine, there was still a benefit when compared with people who were unvaccinated.
Since antibody levels also tend to decrease over time after vaccination, a reduction in protection against transmission is to be expected, Richterman said."

On it's face, the research seems proper and makes sense right? Until you read the excerpt that was shoved all the way down in the article... Now let me propose something...

The current vitriolic statements is just a mass hysteria of "THE UNVAXXED ARE ALL TO BLAME!!!"... but, just going from their own information, let's take a look at current trends...

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ricans-by-day/

Infections by month since began tracking till now... take a look at it...

Cases spiked last winter... Vaccine comes out in mass in Spring... Cases go down through Summer... Cases spike in Fall... all while vaccination rates are going up...

Now based off their own data and statements: "The new study showed that protection against transmission seemed to wane over time, however. After three months, people who had breakthrough infections after being vaccinated with AstraZeneca were just as likely to spread the delta variant as the unvaccinated."

So.. with that graph... could a case not be made that cases declined as vaccine was administered... and as the vaccinated went out, it was effective at reducing transmission for the first 3-4 months... as the graph shows... then those vaccinated lost the benefit reducing transmission... BUT... were still going out thinking they were good to go... and because those vaccinated socialized a lot more, and had more asymptomatic infections (again their own data) due to being vaccinated...

That the vaccinated, unknowingly, are actually the ones driving the increase in Covid spread?

I'm not claiming to know... I'm just looking at the data and their statements... then applying it to the tracker and social behaviors that have occurred during that timeframe.

Of course cases resulting in more Covid illness would be more prevalent in the unvaccinated, that doesn't address the blame for transmission though... as everyone likes to just yell... "It's all the unvaxxed's fault!!!!"... Just saying... can't a case be made?

What I typed above, is why for awhile now on here I've mentioned my dismay and anger about the polarization over this issue...

The scientific community should be full steam ahead on, and getting the same support Trump gave them for the initial development, to continue to improve the current vaccine... just like they do for others on a seasonal/mutating basis.

Thankfully one company is proposing a therapeutic pill development, so /fingers crossed that it has some efficacy and is another tool for Doctors.

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Originally Posted by Shaps

Down to go through the breakdown so can appreciate you actually posting some data.. which is a nice change. A perspective on your previous statement, and the data you presented.

1. Unvaccinated "developed" Covid-19 more easily.. that says nothing about transmission.
2. Unvaccinated numbers would be more prevalent, because they have more severe reactions to Covid as a general rule of thumb.. and therefore would look for therapeutics or care more readily.. again, that says nothing about transmission.
3. Titles are misleading... and you have to read all the way through, then actually extrapolate it into the real world and current situations... example:

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...finds-n1280583

"Vaccinated people are less likely to spread Covid, new research finds"

"The new study showed that protection against transmission seemed to wane over time, however. After three months, people who had breakthrough infections after being vaccinated with AstraZeneca were just as likely to spread the delta variant as the unvaccinated. While protection against transmission decreased in people who had received the Pfizer vaccine, there was still a benefit when compared with people who were unvaccinated.
Since antibody levels also tend to decrease over time after vaccination, a reduction in protection against transmission is to be expected, Richterman said."

On it's face, the research seems proper and makes sense right? Until you read the excerpt that was shoved all the way down in the article... Now let me propose something...

The current vitriolic statements is just a mass hysteria of "THE UNVAXXED ARE ALL TO BLAME!!!"... but, just going from their own information, let's take a look at current trends...

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ricans-by-day/

Infections by month since began tracking till now... take a look at it...

Cases spiked last winter... Vaccine comes out in mass in Spring... Cases go down through Summer... Cases spike in Fall... all while vaccination rates are going up...

You’re making it a little more complicated than it needs to be. I’ll give you two points on why vaccinated people don’t spread it as badly as unvaccinated.
1. Vaccinated people are contagious for a shorter period of time, which also means less possibility of transmitting it.
2. Vaccinated people are likely to have less infectious virus overall, which also lessens the possibility of transmissions

This article sums it up nicely.

Among the unvaccinated, the virus travels unhindered on a highway with multiple off-ramps and refueling stations. In the vaccinated, it gets lost in a maze of dead-end streets and cul-de-sacs. Every so often, it pieces together an escape route, but in most scenarios, it finds itself cut off, and its journey ends. It can go no further.

https://www.govexec.com/management/2...people/185562/

So yeah, the unvaccinated are the main reason why infections are up.

Another great example from the article:

To highlight what this means in the real world, imagine two weddings with 100 guests, one where everyone is unvaccinated and another where all the guests are vaccinated.

In the unvaccinated wedding group, the likelihood that at least one of the guests has COVID-19 is high. Similarly, everyone present is more susceptible, and the virus will likely infect many others, given the increased transmissibility of the Delta variant.

At the wedding with exclusively vaccinated attendees, however, the likelihood that anyone present has COVID-19 is minuscule. Even if someone present is infected, the likelihood that the other guests will contract the virus is similarly low, given the protection afforded by their shots.

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Originally Posted by Solkern

You’re making it a little more complicated than it needs to be. I’ll give you two points on why vaccinated people don’t spread it as badly as unvaccinated.
1. Vaccinated people are contagious for a shorter period of time, which also means less possibility of transmitting it.
2. Vaccinated people are likely to have less infectious virus overall, which also lessens the possibility of transmissions

This article sums it up nicely.

Among the unvaccinated, the virus travels unhindered on a highway with multiple off-ramps and refueling stations. In the vaccinated, it gets lost in a maze of dead-end streets and cul-de-sacs. Every so often, it pieces together an escape route, but in most scenarios, it finds itself cut off, and its journey ends. It can go no further.

https://www.govexec.com/management/2...people/185562/

So yeah, the unvaccinated are the main reason why infections are up.

Good points, but still think you're just looking at the first layer... as opposed to secondary conditions.

1. This article was originally published in The Atlantic.
Refer to my other post earlier today about who funds The Atlantic.

2. The article you linked... every study he cites, refutes what he's claiming... but he makes his claims based off of his logic.
I linked the actual study, that was published just 2 days ago.. that shows.. "just as likely to spread the delta variant as the unvaccinated."

3. This is where the sticking point I think we have is... as I'm looking at the human condition and activity...
Do you think it's more likely for 20,000 unvaccinated to get together... or for 20,000 vaccinated to get together?
You watching sports right now? You think there are more vaccinated or unvaccinated attending them?
You think the vaccinated are having more parties, get togethers, social gatherings... or are the unvaccinated?

The point is... the research shows that transmission efficacy wanes after 3-4 months. The graphs show that trend to be consistent from initial vaccinations (reduction in transmission for 3-4 months) and current timeframe... all while social interaction is increasing that cases increased.

It's easy, as a political tool, to just say "the unvaxxed are to blame!"... these are the same politicians who last summer said all the riots and demonstrations didn't contribute to the spread of Covid... because apparently Covid recognizes political sides.

I would propose that the unvaccinated are much more cognizant of their surroundings and avoiding large gatherings as a general rule of thumb. That just sort of goes with human nature and self-preservation.

I would also propose if you've been vaccinated, or have natural immunity, then you would much more easily be in large crowds thus increasing probability for increased spread.

Just saying... it's not easy to fully examine an issue... and the Politicians and pundits are hoping people don't.

Note: And please understand... this is not about placing "blame" on either side. This is about ensuring the data, and the way it's presented by the pundits and Politicians is accurate vs. used as a bludgeon to fuck over peoples individual rights... and in my opinion the demonization (and easy statement) of "the unvaccinated!!!" is designed to do that.

The ideal..as with all viruses..is it doesn't matter if someone has it or not, as the vaccine, natural immunity, or therapeutics reduce the mortality rate of it to the point that it isn't used to destroy peoples ability to live.

It's like any other virus or disease humans have ever encountered.

The Politicians just found something to really seize some power...and fear is a good tool for that.

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Originally Posted by Solkern

https://wset.com/news/coronavirus/ar...kthrough-cases

Now, if you hop on over to the Virginia Dept. of Health's breakthrough-cases dashboard, or "COVID-19 Cases by Vaccination Status," you'll see a stat that says:

“Unvaccinated people in the state developed COVID-19 at a rate of 7.4 times that of fully vaccinated people and 2.4 times that of partially vaccinated people.”
That is based on VDH data from January 17, 2021, through Sept. 18, 2021.

As an example.

What's your theory about these numbers?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFtlK6fuVno

FDA banning Nac because its ultra cheap and helps with fighting Covid. FDA is clearly run by big Pharma

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Originally Posted by Shaps

Good points, but still think you're just looking at the first layer... as opposed to secondary conditions.

1. This article was originally published in The Atlantic.
Refer to my other post earlier today about who funds The Atlantic.

2. The article you linked... every study he cites, refutes what he's claiming... but he makes his claims based off of his logic.
I linked the actual study, that was published just 2 days ago.. that shows.. "just as likely to spread the delta variant as the unvaccinated."

3. This is where the sticking point I think we have is... as I'm looking at the human condition and activity...
Do you think it's more likely for 20,000 unvaccinated to get together... or for 20,000 vaccinated to get together?
You watching sports right now? You think there are more vaccinated or unvaccinated attending them?
You think the vaccinated are having more parties, get togethers, social gatherings... or are the unvaccinated?

The point is... the research shows that transmission efficacy wanes after 3-4 months. The graphs show that trend to be consistent from initial vaccinations (reduction in transmission for 3-4 months) and current timeframe... all while social interaction is increasing that cases increased.

It's easy, as a political tool, to just say "the unvaxxed are to blame!"... these are the same politicians who last summer said all the riots and demonstrations didn't contribute to the spread of Covid... because apparently Covid recognizes political sides.

I would propose that the unvaccinated are much more cognizant of their surroundings and avoiding large gatherings as a general rule of thumb. That just sort of goes with human nature and self-preservation.

I would also propose if you've been vaccinated, or have natural immunity, then you would much more easily be in large crowds thus increasing probability for increased spread.

Just saying... it's not easy to fully examine an issue... and the Politicians and pundits are hoping people don't.

Note: And please understand... this is not about placing "blame" on either side. This is about ensuring the data, and the way it's presented by the pundits and Politicians is accurate vs. used as a bludgeon to fuck over peoples individual rights... and in my opinion the demonization (and easy statement) of "the unvaccinated!!!" is designed to do that.

Both reports show exactly what Solkern wrote about;

that areas with lower vaccination rates are more likely to engage in activities where transmission and super spreader events may result,

and that new covid-19 infections are 3 times more common in the unvaccinated than they are among the vaccinated. Not to mention the unvaccinated are several times more likely to have severe infections needing hospitalization.

None of the studies cited by the article writer in any way refutes the conclusions of the author. Moreover, I don't even see how you could make that claim if you bothered to read them.

Both science and statistics now support the need for vaccination mandates. Those who claim they would have gotten vaccinated had the government not required it are full of shit. If that were true, they'd have been vaccinated within the last eight months.

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FDA banning Nac because its ultra cheap and helps with fighting Covid. FDA is clearly run by big Pharma

FDA issued guidance back in 2010 that NAC isn't an authorized supplement. That they continue to crack down on retailers selling it isn't anything new. That healthfood and supplement peddlers are pushing an unproven drug as a covid-19 therapeutic is also nothing new.

Here's another Trump Agreement from 2020 that hasn't panned out. Wonder how ping before the Right begins to blame President Biden for ruining Trump's "perfect" and "best trade deal ever negotiated".

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US urges China to fully honour trade pact signed with Trump

China had agreed to buy $200bn more of US goods and services than it did in 2017 — before the start of the trade war — over a two-year period until the end of 2021. But according to the Peterson Institute for International Economics, it has made only 62 per cent of the expected purchases on a prorated basis.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft....f-b5cba0b19fae

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Originally Posted by Seran

Here's another Trump Agreement from 2020 that hasn't panned out. Wonder how ping before the Right begins to blame President Biden for ruining Trump's "perfect" and "best trade deal ever negotiated".

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft....f-b5cba0b19fae

"An economy doesn't slow down when you shut down the economy" ~ Seran

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"An economy doesn't slow down when you shut down the economy" ~ Seran

He didn't really say that did he? :lol:

It's sad that I even have to ask.

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He didn't really say that did he? :lol:

It's sad that I even have to ask.

3.5 trillion dollars = 0

0 = 3.5 trillion dollars.

and 2+2=5

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Originally Posted by Neveragain

3.5 trillion dollars = 0

0 = 3.5 trillion dollars.

and 2+2=5

https://c.tenor.com/CughyuQS8XIAAAAC...ad-science.gif

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Science has shown that this is correct.

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Originally Posted by Seran

Here's another Trump Agreement from 2020 that hasn't panned out. Wonder how ping before the Right begins to blame President Biden for ruining Trump's "perfect" and "best trade deal ever negotiated".

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft....f-b5cba0b19fae

Amazing how you’re still blaming Trump when he hasn’t been president for almost a whole year. This is like Obama part 2: electric boogaloo.

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Originally Posted by Seran

Here's another Trump Agreement from 2020 that hasn't panned out. Wonder how ping before the Right begins to blame President Biden for ruining Trump's "perfect" and "best trade deal ever negotiated".

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft....f-b5cba0b19fae

Tough to enforce such an agreement when everyone knows President Biden won't do shit.

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Amazing how you’re still blaming Trump when he hasn’t been president for almost a whole year. This is like Obama part 2: electric boogaloo.

Because history is nothing deserves retrospective when it comes through the the Orange Man huh? You folks do nothing but blame Biden for Trump's failures. Well guess what, some of us paid attention

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

Tough to enforce such an agreement when everyone knows President Biden won't do shit.

Except guess what, they were out of compliance the moment the agreement was made. And don't cry to me about Covid-19, we mainly export food to China and last I checked their people didn't stop eating. No, this was another scatter brained deal from the guy who made someone else write a book about deal making.

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Except guess what, they were out of compliance the moment the agreement was made. And don't cry to me about Covid-19, we mainly export food to China and last I checked their people didn't stop eating. No, this was another scatter brained deal from the guy who made someone else write a book about deal making.

I thought the argument was that the Chinese were no longer importing food was why we had to bail out the farmers?

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Because history is nothing deserves retrospective when it comes through the the Orange Man huh? You folks do nothing but blame Biden for Trump's failures. Well guess what, some of us paid attention

Let me see if I understand your latest brain failure correctly: Trump, who is no longer president and has absolutely no power to enforce trade agreements, is to blame for Biden, who does have the power to enforce trade agreements, not making sure China lives up to their trade agreements?

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I thought the argument was that the Chinese were no longer importing food was why we had to bail out the farmers?

Nah, that was just a blatant handout to corporate farmers and an illegal manipulation of crop prices by bailing out corps who run fallow fields

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

Let me see if I understand your latest brain failure correctly: Trump, who is no longer president and has absolutely no power to enforce trade agreements, is to blame for Biden, who does have the power to enforce trade agreements, not making sure China lives up to their trade agreements?

Trump, who then was President waived tariffs against China after making the American people suffer due to his economic hissy fit caused a trade war. Trump proceeded to negotiate an agreement in bad faith, which was never honored when Trump was President. Now unsurprisingly, it's not being honored now either. So Biden, a true leader has to clean up after the McDonald's President yet again.

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Originally Posted by Neveragain

Science has shown that this is correct.

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Originally Posted by Seran

Nah, that was just a blatant handout to corporate farmers and an illegal manipulation of crop prices by bailing out corps who run fallow fields

Source please.

I live in the middle of corn and soybean fields, no such thing as fallow fields.