Things that made you laugh today (Political Version)

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Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet

I despise pedophiles just as much as you do, but let’s explore that.

Excluding self defense (preventing imminent & immediate serious bodily harm), smoking a pedophile would be murder & make you a murderer. Two wrongs don’t make a right. It’s not for you alone to decide a man’s fate or take his life. Civilization has law & order for good reason. I don’t feel like these are hard concepts or explaining why vigilantism is harmful to society is controversial.

A pedophile should stand trial and be severely punished for their crimes. Everyone, including the worst criminals, deserve and have a right to their day in court. I support the death penalty for sexual abuse of a child.

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Oh, but if the state says I can kill the pedophile, it isn't murder but justice.

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Originally Posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage

I don't. Some people deserve to die, and that is justice (going back to your original argument that justice and revenge are not the same thing).

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Some people deserve to die, no doubt. How that happens and who does it matters.

Do you believe in due process as a fundamental right to everyone in our country?

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Originally Posted by Gelston

Oh, but if the state says I can kill the pedophile, it isn't murder but justice.

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If the state finds the pedophile guilty with a jury trial, the convicted pedophile is sentenced to death, and the execution is carried out in accordance with the law…that is justice.

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Originally Posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage

I don't. Some people deserve to die, and that is justice (going back to your original argument that justice and revenge are not the same thing).

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But there is no law or court to decide guilt or innocence.

Let's take the Hero of Kenosha for instance. If there was no eye witnesses or video of what happened.. and he was overcome by the mob and killed, that murder would not have been right, but you had people that to this day would say it would have been.

It took a court of law and the evidence to prove he was innocent.

Mob justice is rarely true justice.

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Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet

If the state finds the pedophile guilty with a jury trial, the convicted pedophile is sentenced to death, and the execution is carried out in accordance with the law…that is justice.

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Okay, so as long as 12 people agree with me, it is fine.

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Originally Posted by Gelston

Okay, so as long as 12 people agree with me, it is fine.

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12 jurors, 1 judge, 3 appeals court judges, the governor, etc..

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Originally Posted by Gelston

Okay, so as long as 12 people agree with me, it is fine.

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Due process matters.

Aren’t you a LEO or prison guard of some type? I’m surprised to find you arguing on the side that it’s ok for people to take the law into their own hands.

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Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet

Due process matters.

Aren’t you a LEO or prison guard of some type? I’m surprised to find you arguing on the side that it’s ok for people to take the law into their own hands.

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I've said multiple times that I think everyone deserves their day in court.

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

12 jurors, 1 judge, 3 appeals court judges, the governor, etc..

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Well no, it only takes 12 to say "Not guilty"

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

But there is no law or court to decide guilt or innocence.

Let's take the Hero of Kenosha for instance. If there was no eye witnesses or video of what happened.. and he was overcome by the mob and killed, that murder would not have been right, but you had people that to this day would say it would have been.

It took a court of law and the evidence to prove he was innocent.

Mob justice is rarely true justice.

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

12 jurors, 1 judge, 3 appeals court judges, the governor, etc..

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Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet

Due process matters.

Aren’t you a LEO or prison guard of some type? I’m surprised to find you arguing on the side that it’s ok for people to take the law into their own hands.

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Again, the argument being discussed here is that revenge and justice aren't the same. They are, revenge is just expedited.