Pelosi officially announces impeachment inquiry

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

2009 -2.5
2010 2.6
2011 1.6
2012 2.2
3012 1.8
2014 2.5
2015 2.9
2016 1.6

Maybe the site I am looking at has the wrong values.

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One of us is. Looks like I'm looking at "real" GDP and you're looking at GDP. Real GDP gives them both higher numbers. but seems to be the measure most fiduciary based sites use.

Fuck if I know which is the better measure.

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Originally Posted by gemstonefella

One of us is. Looks like I'm looking at "real" GDP and you're looking at GDP. Real GDP gives them both higher numbers. but seems to be the measure most fiduciary based sites use.

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Nominal GDP is typically used when looking at GDP/debt ratio, which was the point I was making earlier.

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Originally Posted by gemstonefella

Fuck if I know which is the better measure.

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Real GDP is typically the better measure for most everything because it takes inflation into account so if we had a year with 20% inflation then of course the GDP would go up but people's purchasing power wouldn't necessarily be higher.

Nominal GDP is used when comparing the GDP/debt ratio because the nominal GDP rate and the debt both don't take inflation into account.

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

And I'm the one moving the goalposts. Right.



Wait so this is suddenly what Democrats and Never Trumpers are concerned with? And I'm the one moving the goalposts. Right.



I cared about Hillary's emails because she was ordered to turn over her server and instead bleached it and literally smashed phones with hammers to ensure no one could ever have access to her emails. THAT doesn't concern you? Or does it not concern you because "your party" told you it shouldn't concern you?



That's LITERALLY what Democrats have been screaming about this entire time. And just like when the Russia bullshit started to fall apart Democrats are now moving the goalposts and insisting the "real crime" is something else entirely, and just like with the Russian bullshit you guys are here gaslighting the ever living shit out of everyone to insist it has always been about something else. If I created a montage of the number of times Democrats mentioned "quid pro quo" or "digging up dirt" it would probably be about an hour long made up of just 15 second sound bytes. But now suddenly that's "not even the big deal out of all of this."

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Are you concerned about all the people that Trump has ordered not to testify even with legally issued subpoenas? About refusing to an in-person interview with Mueller? That Kushner and Co. uses encrypted apps to communicate with people during the whole "russia thing" and then refused to cooperate or turn over the communications.

I don't want to rehash Mueller whatsoever, but it was in the report that destruction of evidence or refusal to turn over encrypted messages played a role in the outcome.

It still kills me that people think the Mueller report exonerated Trump, it's said right in the report it doesn't.

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

Real GDP is typically the better measure for most everything because it takes inflation into account so if we had a year with 20% inflation then of course the GDP would go up but people's purchasing power wouldn't necessarily be higher.

Nominal GDP is used when comparing the GDP/debt ratio because the nominal GDP rate and the debt both don't take inflation into account.

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Gotcha. 2009 was a weird year for me. A lot of people I knew were losing their houses. We were finally in the position to buy. Was hard to be happy about it while almost everyone else was suffering. It definitely has an effect when you average out Obama's numbers.

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Originally Posted by gemstonefella

Are you concerned about all the people that Trump has ordered not to testify even with legally issued subpoenas?

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No because this isn't a real impeachment inquiry with bogus bullshit rules. Trump isn't even allowed to have a lawyer there like all other impeachments have allowed for. It's a sideshow, I don't blame the president for not wanting to participate in a sideshow.

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Originally Posted by gemstonefella

About refusing to an in-person interview with Mueller?

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No, like I said the other day the accused in this country don't have to testify against themselves.

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Originally Posted by gemstonefella

I don't want to rehash Mueller whatsoever, but it was in the report that destruction of evidence or refusal to turn over encrypted messages played a role in the outcome.

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Played a role in which outcome?

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Originally Posted by gemstonefella

It still kills me that people think the Mueller report exonerated Trump, it's said right in the report it doesn't.

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Mueller himself testified that they found no wrongdoing on Trump's part or on the part of anyone working for Trump in regards to the whole Russia bullshit.

The only thing Mueller didn't decide on was whether or not Trump committed obstruction of justice, after which the DOJ said Trump did not commit obstruction of justice. Mueller did say the report did not exonerate Trump in regards to obstruction of justice, but that isn't the job of a prosecutor. A prosecutor almost never exonerates someone of a crime, rather they gather the evidence and decide if they have enough evidence to charge someone with a crime and the fact that Mueller chose not to charge Trump with a crime kind of points to there not being enough evidence to charge Trump with obstruction of justice.

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Originally Posted by gemstonefella

Gotcha. 2009 was a weird year for me. A lot of people I knew were losing their houses. We were finally in the position to buy. Was hard to be happy about it while almost everyone else was suffering. It definitely has an effect when you average out Obama's numbers.

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I'm not going to deny Obama wasn't given a shitty economy when he took over, but he also didn't really help things nor did he seem to want to help things. In fact at one point he even said low economic growth was "the new normal" for the US. The stock market has a lot to do with speculation, when the president of the largest economy is shrugging his shoulders and saying "Get used to a shit economy" it tends have a bad effect on the stock market. When you have a president who is like "I'm gonna bring jobs back and lower the unemployment and make it easier to do business in the US and bring investments back" then that tends to help the stock market and thus the economy, especially when that president actually follows through with those promises.

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

No because this isn't a real impeachment inquiry with bogus bullshit rules. Trump isn't even allowed to have a lawyer there like all other impeachments have allowed for. It's a sideshow, I don't blame the president for not wanting to participate in a sideshow.



No, like I said the other day the accused in this country don't have to testify against themselves.



Played a role in which outcome?



Mueller himself testified that they found no wrongdoing on Trump's part or on the part of anyone working for Trump in regards to the whole Russian bullshit.

The only thing Mueller didn't decide on was whether or not Trump committed obstruction of justice, in which the DOJ said Trump did not commit obstruction of justice. Mueller did say the report did not exonerate Trump in regards to obstruction of justice, but that isn't the job of a prosecutor. A prosecutor almost never exonerates someone of a crime, rather they gather the evidence and decide if they have enough evidence to charge someone with a crime and the fact that Mueller chose not to charge Trump with a crime kind of points to there not being enough evidence to charge Trump with obstruction of justice.

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Those are very Trumpy colored glasses. There was never a chance he was going to charge Trump with conspiracy. He says it right off the bat in the report. I'll leave it at that.

Trump owes a lot to Barr. I'll leave that at that also.

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Originally Posted by gemstonefella

Those are very Trumpy colored glasses.

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I would say all of the same even if this were Obama. But Republicans never turned the House into a circus like this in regards to Obama.

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Originally Posted by gemstonefella

There was never a chance he was going to charge Trump with conspiracy. He says it right off the bat in the report. I'll leave it at that.

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What are you talking about? He said no such thing.

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

I'm not going to deny Obama wasn't given a shitty economy when he took over, but he also didn't really help things nor did he seem to want to help things. In fact at one point he even said low economic growth was "the new normal" for the US. The stock market has a lot to do with speculation, when the president of the largest economy is shrugging his shoulders and saying "Get used to a shit economy" it tends have a bad effect on the stock market. When you have a president who is like "I'm gonna bring jobs back and lower the unemployment and make it easier to do business in the US and bring investments back" then that tends to help the stock market and thus the economy, especially when that president actually follows through with those promises.

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Didn't the stock market have a top 5 number in largest percentage growth by president under Obama? Pretty sure he added 16 million jobs also......only 2 million more than Ivanka.....but not bad.