Pelosi officially announces impeachment inquiry

[gemstonefella]

You're kidding right? The GDP has grown about 25% since 2011.

I'm talking by quarter.

[Tgo01]

I'm talking by quarter.

Do you mean the increases has been about the same since 2011, or the total GDP?

[Tgo01]

We'll see what happens during his open testimony.

Suddenly his testimony behind closed doors isn't good enough? It seemed good enough for you when you thought Vindman said the transcript was inaccurate.

[gemstonefella]

I'm saying we've seen the effect of the Trump tax cuts boosting GDP start to dwindle back down to Obama level GDP gains. I might be mis-remembering but I seem to remember a couple of 5.0% gains during the Obama years. Trump is rocking right under 3 while Obama was right above 2. It jumps all over the board from quarter to quarter.

[Tgo01]

I'm saying we've seen the effect of the Trump tax cuts boosting GDP start to dwindle back down to Obama level GDP gains. I might be mis-remembering but I seem to remember a couple of 5.0% gains during the Obama years. Trump is rocking right under 3 while Obama was right above 2. It jumps all over the board from quarter to quarter.

Obama averaged 1.58% GDP growth during his 8 years in office, so far Trump is averaging 2.65% GDP growth and will probably be even higher after 2019 is finished because this has been a good year as well.

Also my earlier point about GDP growth wasn't just in terms of percent but in total value. A 2.5% growth on 1 trillion dollars isn't going to be as much as a 2.5% growth on 2 trillion dollars, for example.

[gemstonefella]

Obama averaged 1.58% GDP growth during his 8 years in office, so far Trump is averaging 2.65% GDP growth and will probably be even higher after 2019 is finished because this has been a good year as well.

Also my earlier point about GDP growth wasn't just in terms of percent but in total value. A 2.5% growth on 1 trillion dollars isn't going to be as much as a 2.5% growth on 2 trillion dollars, for example.

Where do you get the 1.58 number from? And Trump is averaging better than that.

[gemstonefella]

In more important things:

Do I roll with John Brown or Christian Kirk this week?

[Tgo01]

Where do you get the 1.58 number from? And Trump is averaging better than that.

2009 -2.5
2010 2.6
2011 1.6
2012 2.2
3012 1.8
2014 2.5
2015 2.9
2016 1.6

Maybe the site I am looking at has the wrong values.

[Alfster]

Wait wait wait, I’m the one moving goal posts? All we have heard this entire time is Trump withheld aid until he got something in return and on the very first day of public hearings on this shit show both witnesses said the aid was released with no required action on Ukraine’s part and you still believe Trump should be impeached but I’M the one moving the goalposts? Okay, guy.

Again. Ignoring the actual point.

I'm not sure that I care about withholding aid. Do you think it's appropriate to have private citizens running a back channel that goes against official U.S. policy? Especially since those citizens do not have security access?

You cared about Hillary's emails because your party told you to. You ignore Ivanka, kushner, and others using private emails for official business because....they told you it's not a big deal. You're willing to act like it's not a big deal that the president is overheard conducting business with regards to Ukraine in the open in front of aids.

He's a walking national security nightmare. But you're stuck on one point, quid quo pro. That's not even the big deal out of all of this.

[Tgo01]

I'm not sure that I care about withholding aid.

And I'm the one moving the goalposts. Right.

Do you think it's appropriate to have private citizens running a back channel that goes against official U.S. policy? Especially since those citizens do not have security access?

Wait so this is suddenly what Democrats and Never Trumpers are concerned with? And I'm the one moving the goalposts. Right.

You cared about Hillary's emails because your party told you to.

I cared about Hillary's emails because she was ordered to turn over her server and instead bleached it and literally smashed phones with hammers to ensure no one could ever have access to her emails. THAT doesn't concern you? Or does it not concern you because "your party" told you it shouldn't concern you?

But you're stuck on one point, quid quo pro. That's not even the big deal out of all of this.

That's LITERALLY what Democrats have been screaming about this entire time. And just like when the Russia bullshit started to fall apart Democrats are now moving the goalposts and insisting the "real crime" is something else entirely, and just like with the Russian bullshit you guys are here gaslighting the ever living shit out of everyone to insist it has always been about something else. If I created a montage of the number of times Democrats mentioned "quid pro quo" or "digging up dirt" it would probably be about an hour long made up of just 15 second sound bytes. But now suddenly that's "not even the big deal out of all of this."