Climate Change Report

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Originally Posted by Jarvan

See, the problem here with "Climate Change" is that the scientists then say things like.. We are still learning how much of a direct impact we are having, so we can't always accurately predict it... or.. Just because it didn't do what we thought it would doesn't mean that we are wrong, the fact that it did SOMETHING proves that we are right.

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The problem is that you believe what people tell you about science. You believe that scientists once said there was global cooling, you believe that scientists once said the curveball was an optical illusion, you believe that scientists once said the earth was flat. These are good stories, but they are just stories, not truth.

The real issue is that all the original data for the last 40+ years up to a couple years ago was corrupted and then destroyed intentionally by that guy who origionally came up with the idea. Even the original collectors of the data don't have it in most cases so a massive amount of the research has to be redone and some of the observation data can never be recovered. All because this elitist prick wanted to trick the world into income redistribution because of his personal ideas on fairness.

So we don't really know what is going on and what is causing it.

Now I am not for shitting on our environment when we can prevent it though I am also not for destroying the economy of the western world based on a fuzzy feeling and because some idiots want to feel better than everyone else. If people really wanted to inspire better environmental behavior, then maybe stop fucking around with building high speed light rail in major cities and key routes, stop with punitive taxes that hurt the poor and instead try tax credits. Oh, and maybe consider allowing the construction of new power plants, refineries and so on because in many cases it is far more expensive to upgrade an old site than to make a new one and scrap the old one. OH, and maybe clean up the BS with the NRC so that once a power plant is under construction they don't get to change their mind and change the requirements and so on. Just a few things off the top of my head that would help a lot.

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Originally Posted by Fallen

That's what the peer review process is for. Either your data speaks for itself or the work will not be published in a journal worth a damn.

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Or Al Gore will champion it and the exact science behind something will be sorta in the background.

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Originally Posted by ~Rocktar~

The real issue is that all the original data for the last 40+ years up to a couple years ago was corrupted and then destroyed intentionally by that guy who origionally came up with the idea. Even the original collectors of the data don't have it in most cases so a massive amount of the research has to be redone and some of the observation data can never be recovered. All because this elitist prick wanted to trick the world into income redistribution because of his personal ideas on fairness.

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Like I said. It's a good story, made even better by your added flourishes (Phil Jones invented global warming!), but it's not true. The biggest problem with science is not that it's rife with rogues and scandal, but that it's not. It's boring, so people feel the need to jazz it up.

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Originally Posted by Gelston

Or Al Gore will champion it and the exact science behind something will be sorta in the background.

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Hey you! Stop insulting the man who invented the Internet!

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Originally Posted by Silvean

People are human. Changing hearts and minds on any issue is a difficult proposition even if you can mobilize an army of facts.

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Studies show that it is more important to be right morally and ideologically than to be right factually and empirically.

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Originally Posted by Latrinsorm

Like I said. It's a good story, made even better by your added flourishes (Phil Jones invented global warming!), but it's not true. The biggest problem with science is not that it's rife with rogues and scandal, but that it's not. It's boring, so people feel the need to jazz it up.

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Please feel free to tell me how I think and feel some more. I need to know how I feel about eating pizza vs spagetti and should I order the light blue or navy polo shirt?

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Originally Posted by ~Rocktar~

Please feel free to tell me how I think and feel some more. I need to know how I feel about eating pizza vs spagetti and should I order the light blue or navy polo shirt?

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Where was the part where he was telling you what to think and feel?

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Originally Posted by ClydeR

Studies show that it is more important to be right morally and ideologically than to be right factually and empirically.

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Latrin? Is that you?

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

Latrin? Is that you?

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Considering that Latrin does not care about the facts, it very well may be.