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10-17-2013, 03:31 PM
Paradii

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Originally Posted by Latrinsorm;1600191
It depends on if you mean the how of causation or the why of it. I can describe the [I

process[/I] of lightning (because Obama's taxes cause the more mobile which is to say higher income electrons to move away, creating a voltage difference that leads to lightning), but pure science has no interest in the reason, as in why this way and not some other way? Why don't electrons have noblesse oblige? Why do we have electrons at all? The chain leads backwards inevitably to the fundamentals of the universe, but this is merely delaying the question, not answering it. It is only philosophy that ruminates pointlessly on these questions, and if you have a better description of religion than pointless rumination I will be happy to call you a witch. There are no causons in physics.

The why questions are, scientifically, the least interesting. Why are we here? Random chance for the most part. If we started the universe over, and played it again, would we be here, most likely not. The how's are the questions of interest.

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I also think your observation (on the shrinking power) is only an apt description of the powers you personally attributed to God, and is not an accurate reflection of world history.Can I interest you in an additional clause? Perhaps he hides his presence from you, or perhaps you hide his presence from you. Or perhaps society hides his presence from you.

Meh, your god sounds like a real bitch.
10-17-2013, 03:34 PM
Paradii

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Originally Posted by Tisket

The thing I love about atheists is that, if you get a group of them together in one spot, they suddenly believe that they are a majority. It's funny.

That's part of the human condition, not an affliction of atheists. If you live in the rural south, you'd think conservative christians were the majority, if you are in acedemia you'd think social-liberals were the majority. If you lived in north korea, you'd think everyone was asian.
10-17-2013, 03:34 PM
cwolff

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Originally Posted by cwolff

It's true that the tooth fairy myth falls apart upon close examination mostly because it has to perform it's miracle (converting a tooth to $) on a deadline. God is given much greater flexibility which serves to protect this myth from critical thinking. The bottom line, from my perspective, is that they are equal expressions of superstition.

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Quit regurgitating other's ideas and thoughts. Add something new to the discussion or stfu.

To be fair, I started this current discussion by saying that it is stupid to believe in God. By all means continue to express yourself but I encourage to make your ideas known to the entire forum so we can all enjoy your wisdom.
10-17-2013, 03:41 PM
Tgo01

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Originally Posted by diethx

Maybe to you...

Well my opinion is the only one that matters.

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Originally Posted by Paradii

And making something up to explain the currently unexplainable makes more sense than an all knowing, all powerful deity did everything, but hides his presence and yet judges our actions that it already has full knowledge that we will perform.

If there was an all knowing, all powerful deity that created an universe in seven days do you really think you're in any position to judge his actions as far as hiding his presence and judging people?

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Originally Posted by cwolff

Don't worry though, the tipping point will come. We've seen it in many other social issues and we'll see it with God too.

People are never going to stop believing in religion, stop being stupid. Hey don't get mad at me for calling out the stupidity of your statement, you did say it's a good thing when people do such things, yes?

To everyone saying it's stupid to believe in God because you can't see him; do you believe in Italy? How do you know it exists? Have you seen Italy with your own eyes?

What about Osama Osama bin Laden? Have you ever actually met the man? Spoke with him to see what makes him tick?

No? Then how do you know he exists? How can you prove he existed and he wasn't just someone the US government made up as an excuse to invade Afghanistan, Iraq and Pakistan?
10-17-2013, 03:41 PM
AnticorRifling

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Originally Posted by cwolff

Thank you! If more people on this earth called out the stupidity of the belief in the supernatural the World would be a better place.

Don't worry though, the tipping point will come. We've seen it in many other social issues and we'll see it with God too.

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10-17-2013, 03:46 PM
cwolff

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Originally Posted by diethx

Doubt we'll see it in our lifetime.

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Originally Posted by Tisket

If you mean religion, then possibly. Religions rise and they fall. Belief in God, however you perceive him/her/it, will never cease. It's retarded to believe there will ever come a day when all humanity just stops believing.

Why? It's already happening.

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BY STOYAN ZAIMOV, CHRISTIAN POST REPORTER
August 8, 2012|1:36 pm
A recent poll that surveyed over 51,000 people across 57 countries reveals that atheism is on the rise globally by almost 10 percent, with several Asian and European nations experiencing the most growth. Most of the world's population, however, still considers itself religious.

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Originally Posted by Tisket

The thing I love about atheists is that, if you get a group of them together in one spot, they suddenly believe that they are a majority. It's funny.

Is this observation relative to the discussion at hand or are you just throwing out some tangential musing that you've been kicking around?
10-17-2013, 03:47 PM
diethx

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

To everyone saying it's stupid to believe in God because you can't see him; do you believe in Italy? How do you know it exists? Have you seen Italy with your own eyes?

What about Osama Osama bin Laden? Have you ever actually met the man? Spoke with him to see what makes him tick?

No? Then how do you know he exists? How can you prove he existed and he wasn't just someone the US government made up as an excuse to invade Afghanistan, Iraq and Pakistan?

Please say you're kidding.
10-17-2013, 03:47 PM
Ker_Thwap

I worked out this whole god/athiest debate thing when I was fifteen. It's kind of a boring subject now. If someone wants to believe in something to make themselves happy, who gives a damn, just so long as they don't shove those beliefs in my face. It's pretty much pointless to debate with someone who chooses to forego logic, you'll just annoy yourself and there's no prize for winning.
10-17-2013, 03:48 PM
Tgo01

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Originally Posted by diethx

Please say you're kidding.

Why are you even taking part in this discussion if you're not going to take it seriously? You might as well just be cwolff and call me stupid and leave it alone.
10-17-2013, 03:49 PM
Latrinsorm

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Originally Posted by cwolff

Thank you! If more people on this earth called out the stupidity of the belief in the supernatural the World would be a better place.

Don't worry though, the tipping point will come. We've seen it in many other social issues and we'll see it with God too.

It's interesting to think about how this would go if the anti-iconists got their way back in the day. God makes a very convenient target, that naked white guy writhing on the cross, but is he really so different from all the other things people hold sacred? Isn't it the act of holding sacred that so riles you?