Bring back Bob!

[crazymage]

I miss bob.

Why is he banned?

- Arkans

[SpunGirl]

:(

-K

[crazymage]

If bob got banned i guess im next because i see nothing he did, i didnt do.

[SpunGirl]

I don't see "banned" under any of his posts.

-K

[Dhuul]

let's ban newestuser instead, k.

[crazymage]

he said on psinet he is

[CrystalTears]

Originally posted by crazymage
If bob got banned i guess im next because i see nothing he did, i didnt do.

You don't see it, so you may not know what happened.


let's ban newestuser instead, k.

He was first. :D

[Edited on 10/23/2004 by CrystalTears]

[Makkah]

What the fuck? PC really is moderated by a buncha douchebag fuckups.

rht

EDITED to say: "Free Bob"

[Edited on 10-23-2004 by Makkah]

[Snapp]

Originally posted by Makkah
What the fuck? PC really is moderated by a buncha douchebag fuckups.

rht

Then leave. No one will miss you.

I just checked Bob's profile and it says he's banned. If that's the case, fuck you moderators.

- Arkans

[Ravenstorm]

Possibly because of his post that got deleted because he deliberately used two very offensive terms. That's just a guess on my part of course.

Raven

BOO FUCKING HOO. Everyone should get banned then. We've all used offensive terms. My "Fuck You" stands.

- Arkans

[Ilvane]

I think some people need to learn how to be at least somewhat civil. Bob's been warned plenty of times.

-A

[crazymage]

http://www.angelfire.com/ak5/bobmuhthol/banned.txt

[Ravenstorm]

Originally posted by Arkans
BOO FUCKING HOO. Everyone should get banned then. We've all used offensive terms. My "Fuck You" stands.

A simple 'fuck you' is not enough presently. But if you want to get banned, it's really quite easy. Bob knew exactly what he was doing.

Raven

[Carl Spackler]

I say Bring Bob back!!!

[Keller]

This is a roll-call and a boy-girl-boy-girl recess line from a third grade classrom.

If someone else would please make another forum and not allow Tsa'ah, I would join.

This board is great. Unfortunately, it has this bad fucking moderator named Tsa'ah. He should go fuck himself, seriously. I'd rather have Bob post than him any day.

- Arkans

[Ilvane]

When you continually inflame, derail threads, say words you know you aren't supposed to, and so forth..well, Bob was aware of the problems with his posts, and he chose not to listen.

It certainly wasn't over one post.

-A

[SpunGirl]

Push hard enough, and eventually Kranar will push back. Never fear, Bob will return.

-K

[Ardwen]

eesh scary but I actually agree.

Bring back Bob


Ardwen

[Keller]

wait, this thread is almost lining up boy-girl-boy-girl. We might be there folks. Keep it up!

[Axhinde]

As much as I think he puts on a show more than anything else, and as much as I don't like him, I agree he should be brought back.

[Sean]

Question to those who think Bob should be brought back...

How many times do you think you should be allowed to violate the TOS before being banned?

More specifically...

How many times as an experienced poster who is well versed with the TOS and knows whats allowed and what isn't should you be allowed to make posts knowingly inviolation before you are eventually called on it?

[Snapp]

Why should he be brought back if he's broken TOS, deliberately, many times?

How about just waiting until the new demerit system is in place?

- Arkans

[Jorddyn]

Originally posted by Arkans
How about just waiting until the new demerit system is in place?

- Arkans

So we should ignore TOS until then? :?:

Jorddyn

[crazymage]

how about enforce tos on mods, then worry about members.

[Trinitis]

so basicly you want an "anyting goes" free forum untill the new system is in place? Some how, I don't think that'll fly.

[The Korean]

Originally posted by Tijay
Question to those who think Bob should be brought back...

How many times do you think you should be allowed to violate the TOS before being banned?

More specifically...

How many times as an experienced poster who is well versed with the TOS and knows whats allowed and what isn't should you be allowed to make posts knowingly inviolation before you are eventually called on it?

Because of favoritism. While one violates ToS and is a fucktard, and one violates ToS and much much less of a fucktard, but more liked, no one will complain for the former, but will complain for the latter.

[GSLeloo]

You want to flame whoever you want and use words that offend people, go to SR. You want a place without anyone offending anyone at all, go to 4D. You want a mix where you can be offensive but not overly offensive? Stay here and just follow the few rules that there are.

Considering that people are getting banned for bullshit reasons now, I'd rather have under moderating for a bit than over moderating.

- Arkans

[Edited on 10-24-2004 by Tsa`ah]

[imported_Kranar]

Bobmuthol's ban was entirely my doing. Please direct all of your fuck you's and douchebag comments towards me.

There are no plans to ban any other members, and the violation system is still expected to be implemented on November 1st.

[Snapp]

Originally posted by Arkans
Considering that people are getting banned for bullshit reasons now, I'd rather have under moderating for a bit than over moderating.

- Arkans

Bull shit reasons? You did read the log of what he said right?

[Edited on 10-24-2004 by Tsa`ah]

[Mistomeer]

Originally posted by Snapp
Why should he be brought back if he's broken TOS, deliberately, many times?

Ever read Tsa`ah's posts?
For that matter, there's about half a dozen others that blatently violate TOS and are still here.

You did see the shit that Tsa'ah pulled right?

- Arkans

[Axhinde]

No douchebag's or fuck you's on my end, his ban really has no effect on me. His TOS violations are definetly out of control, but at the same time I don't agree on banning someone that doesn't delibertely pull a Psykos.

[Mistomeer]

Originally posted by Arkans
You did see the shit that Tsa'ah pulled right?

- Arkans

Yeah, he pretty much proved everything that was said about him being biased with that shit...

[Trinitis]

Originally posted by Axhinde
No douchebag's or fuck you's on my end, his ban really has no effect on me. His TOS violations are definetly out of control, but at the same time I don't agree on banning someone that doesn't delibertely pull a Psykos.

Could you define that last part for me? I'm not being argumentive, I'm seriously curious :)

Also that it is okay to abuse your moderation powers.

- Arkans

[Iriscience]

This is stupidest decision ever made. Unban Bob, he's hilarious and the main reason I visit message boards.

Dear Leloo,

No one gives a fuck about 4D.

Lots of Love,

Arkans

-

[AlahnnaDenale]

Unlike most people who flagrantly violate TOS, Bob actually contributed positive parts to the forum and was extremely intelligent regarding game mechanics.

Can't say that for Everyone's Favorite Mod. [This was editted in. I think everyone knows what was said. I thnk everyone catches the Irony in it being Edited in. Trust me, he is not my favorite mod. He's not my favorite anything. I think I dislike Tsa'ah more than Psykos. Fuck you Tsa'ah.]

Bring Back Bob.

[Edited on 10-24-2004 by Tsa`ah]

[Edited on 10-25-2004 by AlahnnaDenale]

[Axhinde]

Originally posted by LordAdredrin

Originally posted by Axhinde
No douchebag's or fuck you's on my end, his ban really has no effect on me. His TOS violations are definetly out of control, but at the same time I don't agree on banning someone that doesn't delibertely pull a Psykos.

Could you define that last part for me? I'm not being argumentive, I'm seriously curious :)

What I mean, basically, by pulling a Psychos is Bob doesn't IM people, start polls/threads for the sole purpose of starting chaos, and continually show his ass(not in the literal sense) to everyone at every opportunity. It's been my observation that Bob overreacts a little more than slightly and his ranting gets out of control, yet he never really initiates, he merely responds to what he would consider someone being retarded. I do the same thing, just in a completely different way.

[SpunGirl]

Originally posted by Mistomeer

Originally posted by Snapp
Why should he be brought back if he's broken TOS, deliberately, many times?

Ever read Tsa`ah's posts?
For that matter, there's about half a dozen others that blatently violate TOS and are still here.

Show me one other person who is not banned who consistently uses those two words in their posts. That's right, it's no one. I like Bob, but he knows he's not allowed to say that stuff.

-K

[Chyrain]

sometimes the fighting that goes on between the boys on this forum rivals the best of the catfights I've ever seen.

meow.

[Mistomeer]

Originally posted by SpunGirl

Originally posted by Mistomeer

Originally posted by Snapp
Why should he be brought back if he's broken TOS, deliberately, many times?

Ever read Tsa`ah's posts?
For that matter, there's about half a dozen others that blatently violate TOS and are still here.

Show me one other person who is not banned who consistently uses those two words in their posts. That's right, it's no one. I like Bob, but he knows he's not allowed to say that stuff.

-K

He didn't get banned for just one post.
"(19:35:24) LordKranar: Oh, you didn't get [a ban] just for one post either."

Fixxed the typo...

So, you want me to show you isntances of people repeatedly violating TOS that aren't banned?

[Jolena]

Well, I've said before that I have stopped posting here and reading these boards for months at a time in order to take 'breaks' from the idiocy of Psykos, Bob and a few others. And I would be lieing (sp?) if I said that I am not a bit happy that they are gone from this forum.

That being said, and trust me it pains me to do this..I have to say that I don't really understand why he is being banned, if others who have abused the TOS and violated it are not as well. Currently, and I have no real issues with Tsa'ah because I've not really seen anything he's supposedly done or not done on over-moderation or lack thereof, I don't really see Tsa'ah being treated to the same slap on the hand that Bob was IF in fact he has been violating TOS. That is my main concern here.

[Blazing247]

Again, Tsa'ah is a horrible moderator. I'm not sure how many people need to speak up before it is recognized and something is done about it. I think Bob was trying to spite Tsa'ah and poke fun at what an asshole moderator he is, more than he was trying to get banned or offend anyone.

[Sean]

Originally posted by Mistomeer
So, you want me to show you isntances of people repeatedly violating TOS that aren't banned?

If you find this true your just as guilty as the staff for allowing it to happen by not making use of the report post function.

The fact is that no moderator on any message board should be this controversial.

- Arkans

[Mistomeer]

Originally posted by Blazing247
Again, Tsa'ah is a horrible moderator. I'm not sure how many people need to speak up before it is recognized and something is done about it. I think Bob was trying to spite Tsa'ah and poke fun at what an asshole moderator he is, more than he was trying to get banned or offend anyone.

Exactly. I don't think Bob was trying to offend anyone, I took at all more as satire than anything else.

But like you said, how many people does it take to complain about Tsa`ah before something is done? Look at all the other mods and how few complaints there are about them. And then there's Tsa`ah, who's been piling on complaints for quite some time.

[Mistomeer]

Originally posted by Tijay

Originally posted by Mistomeer
So, you want me to show you isntances of people repeatedly violating TOS that aren't banned?

If you find this true your just as guilty as the staff for allowing it to happen by not making use of the report post function.

When I have mod rights on this board, I'll agree with you. Until that's the case, I'm fairly apathetic. I rarely feel the need to report something when a Mod posts on the same page or in the same thread and does nothing about it or when the poster in question is himself a mod.

[Nieninque]

Originally posted by Arkans
The fact is that no moderator on any message board should be this controversial.

- Arkans

He isnt.

He was made out to be contraversial because of Psykos

[Mistomeer]

Originally posted by Nieninque

Originally posted by Arkans
The fact is that no moderator on any message board should be this controversial.

- Arkans

He isnt.

He was made out to be contraversial because of Psykos

That's not true.
I have a Tsa`ah Nazi thread to my credit.

[imported_Kranar]

<< For that matter, there's about half a dozen others that blatently violate TOS and are still here. >>

Admittedly, there are several posts that violate TOS on these forums and remain.

This can be attributed to a lack of understanding/clarity of the rules of this forum and also due to a lack of our ability to moderate everything that gets posted.

It's my hope that the new violation system will clarify what specifically is and isn't allowed, will give more flexibility to members to report posts that are in violation of the rules, and will eliminate much of the selective enforcement/bannings which I'm open to admitting occur.

All I can tell those of you who are so adamant about resenting myself or any other staff member for selective enforcement is that we're not doing it because of any personal vendetta against another member. We do it because, for one, it's posts by those members that get reported to us constantly and secondly, repeat offenders are easier to catch, they simply make an easier target when it comes time to remove or clean up the forums of much of the garbage that's posted.

With that said, I have no sympathy for Bobmuhthol's ban. He has a record 9 pages worth of violations, numerous warnings, he's been told over and over that racial slurs or homophobic slurs would not be tolerated and today he obviously showed little regard for those warnings or those rules. If his only defence is that others are doing it too so it's unfair... I'm afraid that defence is not strong enough for me to reconsider lifting his ban.

You fail to address the moderator issue, Kranar.

- Arkans

[Nieninque]

Originally posted by Mistomeer
He isnt.

He was made out to be contraversial because of Psykos

That's not true.
I have a Tsa`ah Nazi thread to my credit. [/quote]

Subsequent to your little friend kicking off

[SpunGirl]

I'm imagining that the moderator issue will be dealt with behind the scenes, as Kranar sees fit. I wouldn't want to go to a restaurant and see a bad waiter get reamed by the manager in front of the whole room, and if Kranar has anything to say to Tsa'ah, it's not going to be said in front of all of us.

-K

[Artha]

He has a record 9 pages worth of violations

Many of these posts are not violations.

[Mistomeer]

Originally posted by Kranar
<< For that matter, there's about half a dozen others that blatently violate TOS and are still here. >>

Admittedly, there are several posts that violate TOS on these forums and remain.


It's my hope that the new violation system will clarify what specifically is and isn't allowed, will give more flexibility to members to report posts that are in violation of the rules, and will eliminate much of the selective enforcement/bannings which I'm open to admitting occur.

I hope so, of course, the inverse could actually be the outcome.


All I can tell those of you who are so adamant about resenting myself or any other staff member for selective enforcement is that we're not doing it because of any personal vendetta against another member. We do it because, for one, it's posts by those members that get reported to us constantly and secondly, repeat offenders are easier to catch, they simply make an easier target when it comes time to remove or clean up the forums of much of the garbage that's posted.


I don't resent any staff member. I just don't feel that staff members are held to the same standards as members. When staff members violate TOS, it's hard to make an argument that they didn't know or they didn't understand the TOS.

Sure, Bob deserved the ban, but I can easily find others that are just as bad. At least with Bob, he did have alot posts to his credit that were informative or helpful, that can't be said for many.

[Dhuul]

so...how long is he banned? a month? or forever?

[CrystalTears]

3 months

Um...

I'm suprised it took this long.

[Mistomeer]

Originally posted by Nieninque

Originally posted by Mistomeer
He isnt.

He was made out to be contraversial because of Psykos

That's not true.
I have a Tsa`ah Nazi thread to my credit.

Subsequent to your little friend kicking off [/quote]

No, resultant of Tsa`ah's overzealous moderating.

[SpunGirl]

Originally posted by Mistomeer
He didn't get banned for just one post.
"(19:35:24) LordKranar: Oh, you didn't get [a ban] just for one post either."

Fixxed the typo...

So, you want me to show you isntances of people repeatedly violating TOS that aren't banned?

Look, Bob said/posted something he knows he's not supposed to say/post. This was, to Kranar, the last straw in a long line of what he says are violations. I can see both sides of it. I'm certainly not advocating Bob's ban, but I don't have all the information that the mods do, either.

-K

Oh P.S. Bob, not to brag or anything, but I reported you for dropping the 3 letter f Bomb and N word earlier, I hope that helps :lol:

[Trinitis]

Kranar has stated before that any problems/questions with a mods moderating would be delt with outside the knowledge of the "common poster" of the PC. So I'd not hold your breath in getting an in-depth detail on what is said to, or about Tsa'ah.

[Sean]

Originally posted by Mistomeer
When I have mod rights on this board, I'll agree with you. Until that's the case, I'm fairly apathetic. I rarely feel the need to report something when a Mod posts on the same page or in the same thread and does nothing about it or when the poster in question is himself a mod.

As apathetic as you might feel I still believe in the phrase, 'if you aren't part of the solution you are part of the problem." If your going to complain about the lack of consistant moderation do your part in letting us know when its happening.

[HarmNone]

I'm going to reiterate something that Kranar has said countless times before:

Kranar is available through U2U, and is often on MSNMessenger, or AIM. He has an email address. If any of the posters on the PC have a problem with any of the moderators, Kranar has asked that the poster let him know, with details as to what the problem is. He's also said his U2Us and email are, most usually, empty of such complaints.

If you've got a problem with a moderator, or with a specific rule, he's given you ample chance to let him know. If you have not done so, I don't know what else to tell you.

I don't claim to be perfect. Neither, I'm sure, do any of the other moderators. We do the best we can on a very busy board. If you feel you are wrongly edited, let the editing moderator know. If you don't feel your objection is satisfied that way, let Kranar know. It's really that simple, to me.

[Mistomeer]

Originally posted by Tijay

As apathetic as you might feel I still believe in the phrase, 'if you aren't part of the solution you are part of the problem." If your going to complain about the lack of consistant moderation do your part in letting us know when its happening.

Lately I've just been trying to avoid those people, but I can start reporting them worse ones.

Honestly Tijay, most people who post here regularly can point to a handful of people whose posts regularly violate TOS and that's why I disagree with Bob's ban when the rest are allowed to stay.

[crazymage]

ive sent kranar a couple of u2us, no response.

[Jorddyn]

Originally posted by Mistomeer
Honestly Tijay, most people who post here regularly can point to a handful of people whose posts regularly violate TOS and that's why I disagree with Bob's ban when the rest are allowed to stay.

So, you agree with Bob's ban, you just think others should go, too.

Jorddyn

[Mistomeer]

Originally posted by crazymage
ive sent kranar a couple of u2us, no response.

I've found he usually addresses comments sent via U2U with a post that addresses the complaints as a whole rather than adressing them individually with U2U.

[Mistomeer]

Originally posted by Jorddyn

Originally posted by Mistomeer
Honestly Tijay, most people who post here regularly can point to a handful of people whose posts regularly violate TOS and that's why I disagree with Bob's ban when the rest are allowed to stay.

So, you agree with Bob's ban, you just think others should go, too.

Jorddyn

If the others go as well, then yes.
However, that's not the cast at the moment.

[Edited on 10-24-2004 by Mistomeer]

[MrFeature]

Jesus Kranar take your head out of your ass.

[SpunGirl]

So, Mistomeer, you'd advocate others being banned who didn't have the track record Bob does, but whose violations are significantly less numerous than his? That doesn't seem fair.

-K

Haha, I laugh at you who dispute the mods...

"Fight the man, man!" ROFLMAO... hippies.

[Jorddyn]

Originally posted by Mistomeer
If the others go as well, then yes.
However, that's not the cast at the moment.

[Edited on 10-24-2004 by Mistomeer]

So, work on getting the others banned rather than attempting to get Bob back. It would make more sense.

Jorddyn

[Mistomeer]

Originally posted by SpunGirl
So, Mistomeer, you'd advocate others being banned who didn't have the track record Bob does, but whose violations are significantly less numerous than his? That doesn't seem fair.

-K

Not at all. I'm advocating that others whose track record is similar go as well, or, if they're permitted to stay, then let Bob come back.

[SpunGirl]

That's just the thing. You're not a mod, and neither am I. We don't know whose track records are similar to, or equal to, Bob's. We can guess, but we don't know.

-K

[CrystalTears]

Until you act on it, and tell the mods/admins who is violating where and what, it won't get accomplished.

[Sean]

The problem is you are unaware of documentation and the track record of others. You can assume certain things but until you have access to the violations folder you don't know.

[Mistomeer]

Originally posted by Tijay
The problem is you are unaware of documentation and the track record of others. You can assume certain things but until you have access to the violations folder you don't know.

I agree, but when you compare posting style, with regards to TOS, Bob isn't all that unique. There are quite a few others...

I understand what you're saying though, and I don't have all the facts. I'll just have to do my part in the future to report more often.

[Brattt8525]

Well, I for one am glad, and for damned good reason. Dominos, plain and simple. I never liked Bob's posting style, but I didn't attack him, and how he posts is really none of my business. It became my business the day he choose to attack, and not once, but repeatedly a member of my family.

I left the PC, now he is banned, I shall remain until he returns.

Glad to be back by the way.

Tara

[HarmNone]

Very nice to see you back with us, Tara! :)

[Drew2]

Originally posted by Brattt8525
Well, I for one am glad, and for damned good reason. Dominos, plain and simple. I never liked Bob's posting style, but I didn't attack him, and how he posts is really none of my business. It became my business the day he choose to attack, and not once, but repeatedly a member of my family.

I left the PC, now he is banned, I shall remain until he returns.

Glad to be back by the way.

Tara

I'm not banned.

Go away.

[Drew2]

I'd also like to add that I think it's stupid that he's banned, but I won't sit here and complain about it.

The administration of this board is obviously not going to care/listen anyway.

[Betheny]

I'm sorry guys, I'm on Tsa'ah's side, though I see both sides.

I've known the guy for ages, and I don't think he would do anything like he is being accused of.

[Drew2]

Originally posted by Maimara
I'm sorry guys, I'm on Tsa'ah's side, though I see both sides.


I'm not. And I used to really like him too.

[Betheny]

Originally posted by Tayre

Originally posted by Maimara
I'm sorry guys, I'm on Tsa'ah's side, though I see both sides.


I'm not. And I used to really like him too.

I don't know hardly any of what's going on, so I'll reserve judgement for when the details come out, but until then...

[Brattt8525]

Originally posted by Tayre

Originally posted by Brattt8525
Well, I for one am glad, and for damned good reason. Dominos, plain and simple. I never liked Bob's posting style, but I didn't attack him, and how he posts is really none of my business. It became my business the day he choose to attack, and not once, but repeatedly a member of my family.

I left the PC, now he is banned, I shall remain until he returns.

Glad to be back by the way.

Tara

I'm not banned.

Go away.

Aww Tayre, I missed you too! On a side note, I may have made a comment on your post that day, that hit you wrongly. That was no actual reason to post as you did. For that I apologize, Bob tho, he attacked for no other reason then to be hateful.

I am far from perfect, but I keep insults to those who deserve them. I hope this can end here for you and I Tayre, I may not alsways agree with your posts, but as a whole I find you to be funny in a twisted, odd kind of way.

Tara

[Mistomeer]

Originally posted by Maimara

Originally posted by Tayre

Originally posted by Maimara
I'm sorry guys, I'm on Tsa'ah's side, though I see both sides.


I'm not. And I used to really like him too.

I don't know hardly any of what's going on, so I'll reserve judgement for when the details come out, but until then...

Subject: You were warned.
From: Tsa`ah
To: NewestUser
Sent: 10-23-2004 at 09:31 PM
Message: If your avatar has not changed within 30 seconds of reading this U2U, I shall uphold my promise to delete every post you make.

I'll deal with the consequences when Kranar comes on.
Reply - Forward

Enough details?

[Drew2]

Compliments make insulting you difficult, you know.

Cut it the fuck out.

I'd take Bob posting over Bratt any day.

- Arkans

[Betheny]

So, if someone would be so kind as to... uh.

Summarize WTF is going on... maybe AIM it to me, or email it to me... that'd be great because I leave the PC to celebrate my birthday and it explodes.

FUCK YOU FOR RUINING MY BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111:soapbox:

I hope you all feel bad now. Bastards.

Open rebellion :shrug:

- Arkans

[Betheny]

Originally posted by Arkans
Open rebellion :shrug:

- Arkans

Well

QUIT IT YOU'RE RUINING MY FUCKING BIRTHDAY, ASSWIPES!

[Brattt8525]

Originally posted by Arkans
I'd take Bob posting over Bratt any day.

- Arkans

I actually missed you too!

[Betheny]

Oh, and for the record... I've been a victim of photoshop before. And what Psykos did was totally uncalled for. I am not sure about Bob. But let me say this.

GO TSA'AH GO.

[Snapp]

:heart: Bratt. Glad you're back.

<3 Beth

You did not!

- Arkans

[imported_Kranar]

Mistomeer, that is the problem that currently exists when trying to exercise discretion as to how many violations constitute a ban. Trying to decide just how far a member can go before they no longer deserve their posting privilege on the Players' Corner.

We had Galleazo who was very upfront about knowing why I, as the admin, don't just ban those who are obvious trouble makers. Why bother with some point system when I can just push a button and get rid of members who are obviously a problem. And now we see why.

While no one seems to have liked Psykos or care that he's gone, many people did like Bobmuhthol and are dissapointed to see him go. However, based on the numerous occasions where he's posted racist comments, homophobic comments, and we're talking about more racist comments than Ben, he presented a problem to the Players' Corner. The only reason he was able to stay so long is because as others have pointed out, Bob is a rather interesting person who does contribute to the forums so I cut him some slack. But I can only cut a member so much slack before it hits me that a member is abusing the rules because they think they can get away with it. Today was just that day.

So now you have the problem that since Bobmuhthol is gone, others should go too. Well you may be right, but as it stands with every single ban being up to my sole disrection, and there being far too many posts and members for me to possibly take into consideration, it is impossible to ban or even deal with other members other than the obvious ones.

Until November 1st, however, this is and will be the case, and you better believe that if someone is so obviously a problem to the forums, so blatantly disrespectful of the rules regardless of reminders and warnings, that I will have to act on it, even if it means that other members get lucky and aren't caught.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by GSLeloo
You want a place without anyone offending anyone at all, go to 4D.The very notion offends me.
Originally posted by Brattt8525
Bob tho, he attacked for no other reason then to be hateful. I disagree.
Originally posted by Kranar
if someone is so obviously a problem to the forumsDid Bob break TOS constantly? Apparently. I don't know as that makes him a problem to the forums, though.

I'm extremely glad Artha is back.

[Brattt8525]

I did Arkans....I even....wept in my sorrow of missing your witty posts!

:socool:

[imported_Kranar]

<< Did Bob break TOS constantly? Apparently. I don't know as that makes him a problem to the forums, though. >>

I'm interested in knowing what you mean by this.

I R WITTY.

- Arkans

[CalaDheNar]

posted in the wrong place :grin:

[Edited on 10-24-2004 by CalaDheNar]

[Weedmage Princess]

Bob's been warned numerous times in the past, Bob's been spoken to about his antics, hell he's even been BANNED before. He's been here for quite some time, he knows what he should and shouldn't do. It was his decision to behave in a manner he knew to violate TOS, knowing full well what could be the result of his actions. Maybe when he returns in three months time, he'll not be so quick to violate TOS.

A few of you for some reason are calling the "favortism" card, but I just don't see it. There are a very diverse group of moderators here with views and opinion in some cases on the total opposite spectrum when it comes to the boards. It's not some little clique who gets together on Saturday nights painting each other's toenails, doing eachother's hair and deciding who they like and don't like.

What was said already countless times here before I'll say again. If you see a poster or staff member taking actions that you feel are in violation to the rules of the board, it's encouraged you speak to a moderator and/or administration.

Leloo made a very interesting comment that struck me because honestly, I've been feeling this same way for the past month or so now. Some of you bash Klaive's boards for the content of the posts there, and the things some posters say/do. A few of you same people turn around and behave here in a manner eerily similar to that which you attack. Something to think about.

Bratt welcome back, holla at yo boy.

[Brattt8525]

quote:
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Originally posted by Brattt8525
Bob tho, he attacked for no other reason then to be hateful.
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I disagree.

Really Latrinsorm, then please, enlighten me on why if Bob was not being hateful, he attacked , repeatedly a family memeber of mine? Who is 3 years old? In truth Bob was jumping into a conversation between myself and another poster.

So, please tell me what would be the reasoning behind Bob's hateful comments about said subject?

And HEY STAN the MAN...I missed you!

Tara

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Kranar
<< Did Bob break TOS constantly? Apparently. I don't know as that makes him a problem to the forums, though. >>

I'm interested in knowing what you mean by this.

Heh. I was thinking the same thing, Kranar? Only in my mind, it came out "Say what?". ;)

[Mistomeer]

Originally posted by Kranar
However, based on the numerous occasions where he's posted racist comments, homophobic comments, and we're talking about more racist comments than Ben, he presented a problem to the Players' Corner.

I was unaware that Bob had posted racist comments on numerous occasions.
I was aware of the homophobic remarks, but I hadn't noticed him doing so much of that lately. I guess the problem as I see it is that his behavior had been better lately and while you can get a post edited by one mod, the same post would be fine under another. I understand that every mod is different, but if you have a member where the majority of his warnings stem from interaction with a single mod, is that member really the one at fault?

[Edited on 10-24-2004 by Mistomeer]

[HarmNone]

I haven't seen anybody banned with whom only one mod had a problem, Mistomeer. That was certainly not the case in either of the bannings which occurred today.

[Ravenstorm]

Originally posted by Mistomeer
I understand that every mod is different, but if you have a member where the majority of his warnings stem from interaction with a single mod, is that member really the one at fault?

If one moderator is stringent on upholding the TOS and another isn't, doesn't that mean that the one who isn't is not doing his job?

The members are required to censor themselves and conform to the TOS that they've agreed to by posting here. If they violate it, it's not the moderator's problem for doing what Kranar "hired" him to do.

Raven

[Weedmage Princess]

Mistomeer, he didn't just have one mod editing his posts or speaking to him about his actions.

[Makkah]

Fuck TOS. And fuck you.


rht


FREE BOB.

[Mistomeer]

Originally posted by Ravenstorm

Originally posted by Mistomeer
I understand that every mod is different, but if you have a member where the majority of his warnings stem from interaction with a single mod, is that member really the one at fault?

If one moderator is stringent on upholding the TOS and another isn't, doesn't that mean that the one who isn't is not doing his job?

The members are required to censor themselves and conform to the TOS that they've agreed to by posting here. If they violate it, it's not the moderator's problem for doing what Kranar "hired" him to do.

Raven

Yes, but when you have Mods that make posts that violate the TOS for which you get edited for, how exactly are you to interpret the rules?

I'm not talking about the blatant, FYAD type posts, I'm takling about the borderline ones. When it's left to a mod's discretion, it just seems to me, that alot of that lies in how they feel about you as a poster or the opinion you stated in your post.

[Jorddyn]

Originally posted by Mistomeer
When it's left to a mod's discretion, it just seems to me, that alot of that lies in how they feel about you as a poster or the opinion you stated in your post.

Just how onerous do you suppose it would be to come up with a full and detailed list of "Things you can't do"?

There has to be some discretion in what the mods do.

There also needs to be some use of intelligence by posters. We all have a pretty good idea what we can and cannot post.

Jorddyn

[Mistomeer]

Originally posted by Jorddyn

Originally posted by Mistomeer
When it's left to a mod's discretion, it just seems to me, that alot of that lies in how they feel about you as a poster or the opinion you stated in your post.

Just how onerous do you suppose it would be to come up with a full and detailed list of "Things you can't do"?

There has to be some discretion in what the mods do.

There also needs to be some use of intelligence by posters. We all have a pretty good idea what we can and cannot post.

Jorddyn

Yes, but if a post is borderline, doesn't it seem easy to edit those posters a mod dislikes mercilessly with very few checks and balances?

Bottom line, if you look at the people that aren't banned and those two that got banned tonight, do you really think that Bob was as bad as Psykos? Do you really think that of all the people that are left on the boards now, that Bob is worse than everyone else? I find him far less antagonistic than others that are still here. I'm not saying that he's a saint, but relatively speaking, I think there are others just as bad, and some that are worse.

I think you also have to consider, with Bob, is his posting style and number of posts. Doesn't he have more posts than anyone else on the boards? 9 pages of violations is alot, but he had over 8000 posts and I'm curious to know how many violations he got in the last 6 weeks. I would be willing to bet that the majority of his violations were older, but I don't have access to that information so I really wouldn't know.

[HarmNone]

I think that's the key, Mistomeer. You don't know all the violations a given poster has, and we would be wrong to share that information with you. You're going on your perception of the way things are, but you don't know the whole story.

As for posts being mercilessly edited by hateful moderators bent on vengence, there are checks and balances in place, even now. When we edit or delete a post, we're required to report in a special folder in the Mods section what post we edited or deleted, what was edited (if that was the case), who posted it, where, and why we edited or deleted it. Kranar sees these reports, as do the other moderators. So, it's not like one moderator can carry out a vendetta against a specific poster (or group of posters). Kranar would not allow that, believe me. :)

[Weedmage Princess]

Yanno there's always Klaive's place, folks. :thumbsup:

I've actually congratulated mods on editing some of my dumbshit posts. I just don't see why they don't nab the other 2000 :?: :shrug:

[Edited on 10-24-2004 by Stanley Burrell]

[Jorddyn]

Originally posted by Mistomeer

Originally posted by Jorddyn

Originally posted by Mistomeer
When it's left to a mod's discretion, it just seems to me, that alot of that lies in how they feel about you as a poster or the opinion you stated in your post.

Just how onerous do you suppose it would be to come up with a full and detailed list of "Things you can't do"?

There has to be some discretion in what the mods do.


Yes, but if a post is borderline, doesn't it seem easy to edit those posters a mod dislikes mercilessly with very few checks and balances?

Balance = Disagree, get in touch with Kranar. If he agrees with you, he'll fix the situation. If he doesn't, he won't. These are his boards, this is not a democracy, you have to live with his decision. If you do not like that option, you certainly don't have to remain.



...do you really think that Bob was as bad as Psykos?

No. However, I'd really hate to see "worse than Psykos" as the point at which people get banned.


Do you really think that of all the people that are left on the boards now, that Bob is worse than everyone else? I find him far less antagonistic than others that are still here.

I can't think of another that posts frequently that I find more rude or antagonistic. There are others that are more arrogant and opinionated though!


I'm not saying that he's a saint, but relatively speaking, I think there are others just as bad, and some that are worse.

Then, you should be doing everything you can to get those people removed. Any time they break TOS, report 'em.



I think you also have to consider, with Bob, is his posting style and number of posts. Doesn't he have more posts than anyone else on the boards? 9 pages of violations is alot, but he had over 8000 posts and I'm curious to know how many violations he got in the last 6 weeks.

I know of no award for each X posts that allows you a TOS breaking post.


I would be willing to bet that the majority of his violations were older, but I don't have access to that information so I really wouldn't know.

Me either.

Jorddyn

[HarmNone]

Heh. Probably because we just don't have time to read everything, and we don't see everything, Stanley. We're not perfect. We try, but we don't always measure up.

My question for you is....if you congratulate the mod for editing your post because it was dumb...why the heck did you post it in the first place?!?:axe: :P

Originally posted by HarmNone
Heh. Probably because we just don't have time to read everything, and we don't see everything, Stanley. We're not perfect. We try, but we don't always measure up.

My question for you is....if you congratulate the mod for editing your post because it was dumb...why the heck did you post it in the first place?!?:axe: :P

After our long discussions of voodoo, politics, and all that good stuff, you may know why I'm sometimes apt to post the crazies...

[crazymage]

What if bob allows you to post these 9 pages?

[Carl Spackler]

We Want Bob! and go Red Sox.

[Parkbandit]

Bob had to know it was coming. He intentionally used the "f" word and the "n" word..

Bob's a smart kid.. he knew it was a risk. He simply made a poor choice and it cost him a ban.

I don't believe he deserved a 3 month ban though.. Bob does contribute to these boards more than most. His GS knowledge alone makes his posts mostly worth reading.

Just my opinion.. these aren't my boards.

[HarmNone]

Even if Bob said those pages could be posted, crazymage, I really doubt Kranar would agree to do so. I can't speak for Kranar, but from what I know of him, this would not happen.

[Weedmage Princess]

Originally posted by Parkbandit
I don't believe he deserved a 3 month ban though.. Bob does contribute to these boards more than most. His GS knowledge alone makes his posts mostly worth reading.

Just my opinion.. these aren't my boards.

Bob's also been warned numerous times, has been spoken to in IMs and through U2U's, and as I said...even banned before. This isn't the first time he's been banned. How many times do you have to be asked not to do something before action is taken? I know over the course of time I've been a moderator here, I know of no other poster that's been spoken to, issued warnings and the like without having any sort of disciplinary action taken against them as much as Bob has. And I've been at the PC for quite some time.

I don't understand what's so difficult about following TOS.

Hopefully this event will have people give a little more thought to their posts and we'll see a drop in the number of imflammatory posts with no other reason than the intent to be contrary.

[Edited on 10-24-2004 by Weedmage Princess]

[HarmNone]

The three month duration of the ban may be because this is Bob's second ban from the boards. I'm not sure of that, but Kranar could clarify it. :)

[Makkah]

From what I remember, Harmnone... Bob's FIRST ban was 3 months too... so this one's duration isn't because of the first one... it's because the banner is a douchebag.

Also, Fuck TOS

rht

FREE BOB

[crazymage]

id like a list of my edits/warning/deletions and by which mod.

[Weedmage Princess]

Originally posted by Makkah

Also, ---- TOS

rht

FREE BOB

If that's how you feel then so be it. You just can't expect not to have anything happen to your posting priviledges if you act on that sentiment.

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by crazymage
id like a list of my edits/warning/deletions and by which mod.

You'd have to make that request to Kranar, crazymage. I am not at liberty to give you such a list.

[HarmNone]

Ummm, Makkah...Bob's first ban was not imposed by this administrator. It was imposed by the previous administrator. Its length was determined by that administrator, not by Kranar. This latest ban may well have been impacted by the first ban; however, as I said, the only one who knows the answer is Kranar. I was simply speculating a possible answer to your question.

[Makkah]

No... I'm pretty sure it was Kranar the first time too, chica.

rht

Fuck TOS, FREE BOB

[Chelle]

Originally posted by Brattt8525
quote:
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Originally posted by Brattt8525
Bob tho, he attacked for no other reason then to be hateful.
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I disagree.

Really Latrinsorm, then please, enlighten me on why if Bob was not being hateful, he attacked , repeatedly a family memeber of mine? Who is 3 years old? In truth Bob was jumping into a conversation between myself and another poster.

So, please tell me what would be the reasoning behind Bob's hateful comments about said subject?

And HEY STAN the MAN...I missed you!

Tara

Glad to see you back Bratt. I am highly surprised Bob wasn't banned when he said cruel things about the child. But see thats the thing. Bob eventhough he says some reprehensible things sometimes. He was always given mercy. Why is it such a shock he's finally been banned?! Has he not been banned before at least once? He's been warned, spoken to. I mean my GOD what more can one ask for!?

Seriously, to get banned from these boards takes ALOT of doing. It really isn't rocket science here, ya know? Violate TOS repeatedly, and I mean repeatedly, you get banned.

Granted, Bob is funny, and will sometimes say something worth reading, but most of the time he's being an ass. I guess if he gets banned enough, maybe he will wisen up.

[Blazing247]

I can sit here and name a bunch of MOD's who truly enhance the atmosphere in this place- Tijay, Artha, Soulpieced, Peam, etc. I have had posts edited by a few of them, and I've never felt like it was unjustified. In fact, most of the time I was thankful as it was something I regretted saying in the first place. With Tsa'ah, I have yet to feel as if I've had a post worthy of editing, unless I was trying to prove a point with it.

Kranar, while you and I often disagree on most things, I think you do a great job as ADMIN of this BBS. You are mostly fair and rarely heavy-handed in the punishment you hand out, but I think you've got a bad apple as a MOD. Don't take my word for it, take the word of the other dozen+ people who have taken the time to post their feelings about the issue.

[Adhara]

Originally posted by Tijay
If your going to complain about the lack of consistant moderation do your part in letting us know when its happening.

Some of us have done so in the past only to be told by the admin that "each moderator can do as he sees fit with his folder."

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Makkah
No... I'm pretty sure it was Kranar the first time too, chica.

rht

Fuck TOS, FREE BOB

You're mistaken. It was Caels.
Edited to add the result of a bit of research:

Checking back, Bob's first ban took place just before the turn-over from Caels to Kranar in September, 2003. It's hard to say, but I imagine it was discussed between Caels and Kranar.

Wanted to clear that up, as you may be right, Makkah. :)

[Edited on 10-24-2004 by HarmNone]

[Chadj]

Well, I'm sorry, but Tsa'ah was in the right in this. As much as I like Bob, his comment was violating ToS pretty hard.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Kranar
I'm interested in knowing what you mean by this. Well, the forums are nothing but a tool to communicate with, right? Therefore, the community should be the primary concern of staff, once a certain level of technical function is achieved (i.e. posts don't vanish into the ether). While I'm not suggesting things be run via popularity contest, it seems to me that if a poster breaks the rules set by staff, this does not in and of itself make him or her a problem to the community, nor does the converse hold.
Originally posted by Brattt8525
Really Latrinsorm, then please, enlighten me on why if Bob was not being hateful, he attacked , repeatedly a family memeber of mine? I don't know Bob very well. However, I feel confident in saying I know him better than you, on account of you haven't posted here very long and I've had a couple conversations with him outside of the forums. He's never struck me as a person who does things out of hatred. Of course, the best way to find out the why is to go to the source. I think it's a bit late for that, but there's always hope. :)
Originally posted by Weedmage Princess
with no other reason than the intent to be contrary. First the toenails thing, now this. :( I know it hurt when the Yankees choked, but why do you have to take it out on me?

[Mistomeer]

Originally posted by Chadj
Well, I'm sorry, but Tsa'ah was in the right in this. As much as I like Bob, his comment was violating ToS pretty hard.

It wasn't based on his one comment and to say that Tsa`ah actions today were right is completely insane given that he took it upon himself to randomly delete posts.

[Blazing247]

<given that he took it upon himself to randomly delete posts.>

Is that why my entire thread poofed? WTFO.

[Mistomeer]

Originally posted by Blazing247
I can sit here and name a bunch of MOD's who truly enhance the atmosphere in this place- Tijay, Artha, Soulpieced, Peam, etc. I have had posts edited by a few of them, and I've never felt like it was unjustified. In fact, most of the time I was thankful as it was something I regretted saying in the first place. With Tsa'ah, I have yet to feel as if I've had a post worthy of editing, unless I was trying to prove a point with it.

Kranar, while you and I often disagree on most things, I think you do a great job as ADMIN of this BBS. You are mostly fair and rarely heavy-handed in the punishment you hand out, but I think you've got a bad apple as a MOD. Don't take my word for it, take the word of the other dozen+ people who have taken the time to post their feelings about the issue.

Exactly. I've had all of 2 posts edited, one by Harmnone and one by Tsa`ah. With HN, she cool reasonable about it, and I understood. With Tsa`ah, he came off as a jerk and edited a post for saying "This thread is still fucking stupid" where I went on to disagree with his opinion. Please, I can't count the number of times that someone has posted about how a thread is dumb on these boards. I know plenty of people are saying how they agree with Tsa`ah, but I'm not sure they're fully informed. Even if they are, and he's the great mod they say he is, how come so many people are complaining about him and only him? Alot of mods edit posts, but he's the only one that's ever gotten this kind of attention that I can remember.

[Mistomeer]

Originally posted by Blazing247
<given that he took it upon himself to randomly delete posts.>

Is that why my entire thread poofed? WTFO.

Not sure on that one, but he told NewUser(Psykos) that he would delete everything he posted until he changed his avatar, which was one which made fun of Tsa`ah.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Mistomeer
Alot of mods edit posts, but he's the only one that's ever gotten this kind of attention that I can remember. Harmnone has received similar criticism, although I believe it was more from a single poster. It was a few weeks ago.

[Chadj]

<<It wasn't based on his one comment and to say that Tsa`ah actions today were right is completely insane given that he took it upon himself to randomly delete posts.>>

I never claimed it was based on a single comment. I said his comment REALLY violated ToS. Bob has many violations of ToS, and this one, in no surprise, topped it all off.

[CrystalTears]

Originally posted by Mistomeer

Originally posted by Blazing247
<given that he took it upon himself to randomly delete posts.>

Is that why my entire thread poofed? WTFO.

Not sure on that one, but he told NewUser(Psykos) that he would delete everything he posted until he changed his avatar, which was one which made fun of Tsa`ah.

It was mentioned at one point that two threads against Tsa`ah were merged into one. I wasn't around when this mess started, so I'm not sure which thread was deleted or merged.

[Mistomeer]

Originally posted by CrystalTears

Originally posted by Mistomeer

Originally posted by Blazing247
<given that he took it upon himself to randomly delete posts.>

Is that why my entire thread poofed? WTFO.

Not sure on that one, but he told NewUser(Psykos) that he would delete everything he posted until he changed his avatar, which was one which made fun of Tsa`ah.

It was mentioned at one point that two threads against Tsa`ah were merged into one. I wasn't around when this mess started, so I'm not sure which thread was deleted or merged.

He allegedly sent a U2U to NewUser telling him that he would delete everything he posted until he changed his avatar. As far as I know, he followed through and when the avatar was changed, he quit deleting his posts.

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Blazing247
<given that he took it upon himself to randomly delete posts.>

Is that why my entire thread poofed? WTFO.

The "poofing" of your thread might have been due to a recent server hiccup, Blazing. I think they switched servers, or something, and some posts/threads were lost.

[Sean]

Originally posted by Adhara

Originally posted by Tijay
If your going to complain about the lack of consistant moderation do your part in letting us know when its happening.

Some of us have done so in the past only to be told by the admin that "each moderator can do as he sees fit with his folder."

I think we're talking about 2 different things. A reported post goes to the folder moderators, the super moderators, and the admin. As well as giving us the exact post your having a problem with and the thread it allows for you to tell us the problem with said post and comment on it. It sounds like you had a problem with something other than a post but a moderator him/herself. If thats the case I find it hard to believe that was the spirit of the admin's (not knowing which admin) intent. But hey I don't speak for them because I don't know.

[Blazing247]

<The "poofing" of your thread might have been due to a recent server hiccup, Blazing. I think they switched servers, or something, and some posts/threads were lost. >

:cry: This is such a Simu excuse!

[CrystalTears]

Originally posted by Mistomeer
He allegedly sent a U2U to NewUser telling him that he would delete everything he posted until he changed his avatar. As far as I know, he followed through and when the avatar was changed, he quit deleting his posts.

Yes I knew that already. Not sure why you said it again to my post though. I was just saying that two threads were merged, not knowing which two they were, to give others an idea as well.

[Blazing247]

My thread didn't merge. The entire thread is gone, complete with all of the posts that I made.

[DeV]

What a turn of events tonight. I can honestly say that I too reported Bob's offensive post from tonight, regardless of if it meant to offend, he should have chosen his words better. Bob is a very intelligent kid and hopefully this will be another learning curve for him. In the real world you can't continually push the limit and not expect the bubble to burst at some point.

[4a6c1]

Nothing in this whole damn thread was funny. Not one laugh.

Shame on you all.

:(

[Sean]

Okay instead of me deleting a bunch of posts, aside those already deleted intended to derail, i'm going to ask everyone to shift the topic back to Bob and issues related to the situation or even the TOS. There are plenty of Tsa'ah threads to discuss issues with him.

[4a6c1]

:lol:

Nice

[4a6c1]

Originally posted by JihnasSpirit
:lol:

Nice

Edited to add: Bob was mean/funny sometimes. Too bad hes gone.

Damnit, I clicked quote instead of edit. F this I'm goin ta bed. :(

[Edited on 10-24-2004 by JihnasSpirit]

[Keller]

Fuck you (ToS)
Fuck you (NewUser)
Fuck you (xShadowMerchantx)
Fuck you (Coiner)
Fuck you (xtc)
Fuck you (tsa%60ah)
Your cool (Bob)

I'm out.

[Gan]

Bob's a smart kid, but I think his irresponsibilty in posting is finally catching up with him. Accountability is a hard lesson to learn for some I suppose.

High Maintenance? Yes

Contributor to the boards? Most times Yes

Knowledgeable about GS? Definately

If what I read is the reason why he's banned again then I concur. If it was humor, it was in extremely poor taste and the immaturity of the remark needs to be slapped down as it was. If it was malicious then again, it deserves consequences. Either way the remark/statement was a loser any way you look at it and should have not been posted.

I'll miss his informative posts on game mechanics when he devotes the time and energy into finding out information on new topics/issues in game. I wont miss his childish banter or the callous remarks made for whatever reason he makes them.

Three cheers for bringing maturity and accountability to the PC boards! Huzah! Huzah! Huzah!

[Burning Scorpion]

Even though I don't talk to Alex and I haven't interacted with him in the game, I really like him and will miss him. I have a certain nonsexual fondness for abrasive young men in my heart. Come back as soon as possible!

[DeV]

Originally posted by Brattt8525
Well, I for one am glad, and for damned good reason. Dominos, plain and simple. I never liked Bob's posting style, but I didn't attack him, and how he posts is really none of my business. It became my business the day he choose to attack, and not once, but repeatedly a member of my family.

I left the PC, now he is banned, I shall remain until he returns.

Glad to be back by the way.

Tara Glad you're back and I couldn't agree with your sentiments more. It's one thing to be a smart abrasive young man and quite another to attack someone's loved one unprovoked. Needless to say, I'm glad to see TOS being enforced.


p.s. I had to restate the welcome since my last one was complained about. :)

[Tsa`ah]

Originally posted by Keller
This is a roll-call and a boy-girl-boy-girl recess line from a third grade classrom.

If someone else would please make another forum and not allow Tsa'ah, I would join.

Nothing is keeping you here. In fact, I believe I was already a Super mod when you joined.

Just watch that door ... it's a bitch.

[Xcalibur]

As all things, timing is one of the most important quality.

In this case, timing is against the mods as TSA is having a powertrip by editing all that he isn't happy to see and threating another member that has an almost identical avatar but, his, was still ok (tsa's)

And that said mod used bad words too, and we never saw another mods kicks in and tell him to cool off.

Favoritism appears a lot here, but sometimes it's too appearing.

And as I said yesterday, 2 factions are slowly divising: the defenders, the ass lickers and opportunists; and the rest.

[4a6c1]

Hey, you know what? We should steal some Bob blood and clone him and then we would have another skinny pale kid to insult everybody and when the real one comes back he would be like :wtf: I'm the asshole who owns these boards. And it would be funny.

:yes:

[4a6c1]

Originally posted by crazymage
Tsa'ah please learn to stay on topic, ive had to report every post you made here since none had to do with the beloved and banned bob.

:?:

There are two of them posting, though

[Mistomeer]

Originally posted by JihnasSpirit

Originally posted by crazymage
Tsa'ah please learn to stay on topic, ive had to report every post you made here since none had to do with the beloved and banned bob.

:?:

There are two of them posting, though

Yes, I said it was off-topic, and Tsa`ah, being a mod told me it wasn't, so I continued. Ironic enough, he started the off-topic discussion.

[crazymage]

ones responding, ones instigating, i reported the tsa'ah way, selectively. BBB

[Edited on 10-24-2004 by crazymage]

[4a6c1]

:spaz: selectively

:thumbsup:

[HarmNone]

Tell you all what......

Since this topic is about Bob's departure, and Tijay has asked that it stay on topic, if you want to discuss moderators, please start another topic to do so. It doesn't belong in this topic.

I don't have the time, nor the inclination to move all the off-topic posts right now. I've got far more important problems to see to.

[Mistomeer]

Originally posted by HarmNone
Tell you all what......

Since this topic is about Bob's departure, and Tijay has asked that it stay on topic, if you want to discuss moderators, please start another topic to do so. It doesn't belong in this topic.

I don't have the time, nor the inclination to move all the off-topic posts right now. I've got far more important problems to see to.

But I asked a Super Mod, he said that the discussion was on topic for this thread.

[Tsa`ah]

Now you're taking things out of context.

Just like Bob. He would be proud.

[Mistomeer]

Originally posted by Tsa`ah
...bunch of typical off-topic remarks and insults

Thanks for proving my point that you don't hold yourself to the same standards you hold others to. As I said, this discussion is off-topic, and HN agreed, despite what you said. It's typical, if you post something that's off-topic, your attitude is that you're a Super Mod and it's not off-topic because you say so. Personal attack? I haven't responded to one of your posts by calling you names, while you've repeatedly insulted me in your off-topic rant. Or is that on-topic, Mr. Super Mod?
Obviously, I've dug quite the hole for myself.

[Tsa`ah]

I mentioned perception. Perception differs.

[HarmNone]

If you want another thread, guys, START ONE! If this discussion being off-topic is disturbing you, you can easily remedy that.

I have to go pick up my grandmother from the hospital. I really don't have time to clean up the freaking sandbox.

[DeV]

It might be off topic but it looks to me like he's defending himself and his stance and replying to those who are adding to the off topicness of the thread. If his name is continually coming up why shouldn't he have a say.

On Topic: 3 months and he's home free.

[Edited on 10-24-2004 by DarkelfVold]

[crazymage]

they deleted your post dark, which was in response to a post. hrm oh wait, hes a mod he can avoid tos.

BBB

[crazymage]

he flamed me because i reported him for being off topic. Thats so mature!


BBB

[Tsa`ah]

That would entirely depend on how that person is mentioned.

I have made no personal attack that would violate the TOS.

You are indeed a dumb fuck skinned knee bitch and behave accordingly.

Go cry to mom or something because this continues to get old.

[Tsa`ah]

Originally posted by crazymage
he flamed me because i reported him for being off topic. Thats so mature!


BBB

You haven't seen flamed yet Serg.

[crazymage]

Your opinion is noted.

Bring back bob!

[Edited on 10-24-2004 by Tsa`ah]

[DeV]

Originally posted by crazymage
they deleted your post dark, which was in response to a post. hrm oh wait, hes a mod he can avoid tos.

BBB I know they deleted my post and I have no problem with it as I told Tijay last night. Someone reported it which was all good and well, like I'm not going to find a way to say what I need! :) I simply reposted it staying within the guidelines.

TMM
(three more months)

[HarmNone]

If you don't start another thread, Mistomeer and/or crazymage I'll assume that carrying on this diatribe in this folder is not disturbing you in the least, despite your complaining. If it is really bothering you, I've made a suggestion as to what to do about it. You may take it or leave it. It is of no account to me.

[Mistomeer]

Originally posted by Tsa`ah
That would entirely depend on how that person is mentioned.

I have made no personal attack that would violate the TOS.

You are indeed a dumb fuck skinned knee bitch and behave accordingly.

Go cry to mom or something because this continues to get old.

I think you're a hypocrite and fascist and you're about as judicious as the Chinese government.

[Mistomeer]

Originally posted by HarmNone
If you don't start another thread, Mistomeer and/or crazymage I'll assume that carrying on this diatribe in this folder is not disturbing you in the least, despite your complaining. If it is really bothering you, I've made a suggestion as to what to do about it. You may take it or leave it. It is of no account to me.

Ilvane said it was acceptable, and took the Super Mod's side. I was disturbed by it, I said so from the start. I reported the posts that were off-topic and derailing and was told that they can stand. So fuck it, we can just have off-topic/inflamatory post field day in this thread, cause obviously, that's acceptable and within the TOS.

[crazymage]

um harm ? im not the one going back and forth. Tsa'ah and mistomeer are.. plz pay attention.

[Mistomeer]

Originally posted by DarkelfVold

Originally posted by crazymage
they deleted your post dark, which was in response to a post. hrm oh wait, hes a mod he can avoid tos.

BBB I know they deleted my post and I have no problem with it as I told Tijay last night. Someone reported it which was all good and well, like I'm not going to find a way to say what I need! :) I simply reposted it staying within the guidelines.

TMM
(three more months)

Oh, wait, Tijay edited my post last night. So I'm up to 3. He was very cool about it.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by DarkelfVold
If his name is continually coming up why shouldn't he have a say.Are you talking about Tsa`ah or Bobmuhthol?

[Mistomeer]

Originally posted by crazymage
um harm ? im not the one going back and forth. Tsa'ah and mistomeer are.. plz pay attention.

lol. avatar.

[Meos]

Get over IT people, Bob is gone for 3 months. I'm sure you could IM him if you really wanna chat with him.

[Edited on 10-24-2004 by Meos]

[crazymage]

my avatar does not violate TOS he posted the pic which makes it public domain, and its inferring he trades sex for power.

[Mistomeer]

Originally posted by Meos
Get over people, Bob is gone for 3 months. I'm sure you could IM him if you really wanna chat with him.

Go fuck youself.
Welcome to the inflamatory/off-topic field day thread.

[Meos]

Thank you and goodbye.

[Mistomeer]

Originally posted by Meos
Thank you and goodbye.

You're more than welcome.
Get the fuck out.

[crazymage]

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Remove the avatar or we'll go through aother psykos session.


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Explain how it violates tos, and i will.
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Remove or lose the post count until it comes down.

I have all day ... your choice

[crazymage]

Someone tell me why its violating TOS?

[DeV]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm

Originally posted by DarkelfVold
If his name is continually coming up why shouldn't he have a say.Are you talking about Tsa`ah or Bobmuhthol? Bob is banned.

[Tsa`ah]

Buh bye Bob.


That's how I read BBB.

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by crazymage
um harm ? im not the one going back and forth. Tsa'ah and mistomeer are.. plz pay attention.

Odd. I see four posts from you amongst the fray, crazymage. I must remember to get my eyes checked. They're seeing things that aren't there. :rolleyes:

[Mistomeer]

Originally posted by crazymage
Someone tell me why its violating TOS?

"The avatar would have held merit if it read "sucking Pepsi dick from 2000-2004" or "sucking coke dick from 2000-2004" or "Sucking XFL dick during the short time it did live". "

That's for merit, but as far as your avatar is concerned, for it to violate TOS he would have to prove that what you're saying isn't true, and obviously a case can be made either way. Also, the best part of you ran down your mother's leg. Go suck a fuck.

[crazymage]

if he removes his avatar, i'll remove mine. and quit bitching to.

bring back bob.

[Mistomeer]

Originally posted by HarmNone

Originally posted by crazymage
um harm ? im not the one going back and forth. Tsa'ah and mistomeer are.. plz pay attention.

Odd. I see four posts from you amongst the fray, crazymage. I must remember to get my eyes checked. They're seeing things that aren't there. :rolleyes:

Shutup. Your posts are not offensive enough to be in this off-topic flame war.

[crazymage]

if your saying i meant nazi, youve just insulted non nazi germans from 1940, GOOD JOB.

[crazymage]

From: Tsa`ah
To: crazymage
Sent: 10-24-2004 at 12:17 PM
Message: Content removed may not be reposted verbatum.


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From: Tsa`ah
To: crazymage
Sent: 10-24-2004 at 12:14 PM
Message: Your post in the Bring back Bob thread has been deleted.

You know why.


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then feel free to remove my post as well as any 1940 ******** moderating ones.
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[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by DarkelfVold
Bob is banned. That's what makes it such a good quip. :D

If it was my call, it'd be a one month ban, and it would've been a bit sooner. But it wasn't.

[Mistomeer]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm

Originally posted by DarkelfVold
Bob is banned. That's what makes it such a good quip. :D

If it was my call, it'd be a one month ban, and it would've been a bit sooner. But it wasn't.

That's on topic and Ilvane has alraedy stated that off-topic and imflamatory remarks are allowed in this thread, so why don't you try something a little more offensive, fuckface?

[Cayge]

I like pudding, pudding is good.

[Mistomeer]

Members viewing this page: Cayge, Mistomeer (2 Guests)

HI Bob and Psykos you stupid fucktards.

[Mistomeer]

Originally posted by Cayge
I like pudding, pudding is good.

Please include more inflamatory remarks in your posts, shithead.

[Weedmage Princess]

If you feel so strongly about this, think the rules of the PC are unfair...why do you stay here?

(PS: Welcome back, Bratt :) )

[Edited on 10-24-2004 by Weedmage Princess]

[Cayge]

Sorry I missed the inflammatory remark quota, you're a cock wrinkle and your dad is a rectal wart.

Pudding still r0x0rz.

[Edited on 10-24-2004 by Cayge]

[Mistomeer]

Originally posted by Weedmage Princess
If you feel so strongly about this, think the rules of the PC are unfair...why do you stay here?

I never said the rules were unfair. I'm just expressing how easy it is to derail a thread when unwarranted inflamatory remarks are allowed to stand in an off-topic discussion, you stupid fucking cunt.

[xtc]

Originally posted by Tijay

Originally posted by Mistomeer
When I have mod rights on this board, I'll agree with you. Until that's the case, I'm fairly apathetic. I rarely feel the need to report something when a Mod posts on the same page or in the same thread and does nothing about it or when the poster in question is himself a mod.

As apathetic as you might feel I still believe in the phrase, 'if you aren't part of the solution you are part of the problem." If your going to complain about the lack of consistant moderation do your part in letting us know when its happening.

Read this thread see how many posts have been edited by Tsa'ah. It is happening.

I respect Tsa'sh for his knowledge and his ability to lay out a well thought out argument. However his moderating stinks perhaps his lacks the ability to be objective.


GOP sucking Israeli dick since 1947.

[Mistomeer]

Originally posted by xtc

Originally posted by Tijay

Originally posted by Mistomeer
When I have mod rights on this board, I'll agree with you. Until that's the case, I'm fairly apathetic. I rarely feel the need to report something when a Mod posts on the same page or in the same thread and does nothing about it or when the poster in question is himself a mod.

As apathetic as you might feel I still believe in the phrase, 'if you aren't part of the solution you are part of the problem." If your going to complain about the lack of consistant moderation do your part in letting us know when its happening.

Read this thread see how many posts have been edited by Tsa'ah. It is happening.

I respect Tsa'sh for his knowledge and his ability to lay out a well thought out argument. However his moderating stinks perhaps his lacks the ability to be objective.


GOP sucking Israeli dick since 1947.

Obviously, you're just a "worse case offender" with a slanted view. This topic has already lost pages...
Also, go fuck youself.

[Ilvane]

It's going to stop now. Either get on topic or I'm closing the thread.

I have deleted many offending posts, that were off topic. U2U's are on the way.

If you continue to go off topic I WILL close the topic.

Thank you.

-A

[Weedmage Princess]

Originally posted by Mistomeer
I never said the rules were unfair. I'm just expressing how easy it is to derail a thread when unwarranted inflamatory remarks are allowed to stand in an off-topic discussion, you stupid fucking cunt.

And I am saying "These are Kranar's boards, he has the final say as to who stays, who goes."

If you don't like it, again, leave.

Calling me a cunt in no way, shape or form isn't going to change the fact that you have an issue with what Kranar does on *his* boards, so my point stands. Don't like it? Don't stay. ;)

[Mistomeer]

Originally posted by Ilvane
It's going to stop now. Either get on topic or I'm closing the thread.

I have deleted many offending posts, that were off topic. U2U's are on the way.

If you continue to go off topic I WILL close the topic.

Thank you.

-A

Oh, so now it's not okay to be off-topic?
I didn't think it was okay when I originally expressed concern, but obviously, you weren't willing to do anything about it as I U2U'd you and you said it was perfectly okay.

Ironic, the person I U2U'd you about was a Super Mod. You're a 14 year old Punk Ass Bitch.

[Mistomeer]

Originally posted by Weedmage Princess

Originally posted by Mistomeer
I never said the rules were unfair. I'm just expressing how easy it is to derail a thread when unwarranted inflamatory remarks are allowed to stand in an off-topic discussion, you stupid fucking cunt.

And I am saying "These are Kranar's boards, he has the final say as to who stays, who goes."

If you don't like it, again, leave.

Calling me a cunt in no way, shape or form isn't going to change the fact that you have an issue with what Kranar does on *his* boards, so my point stands. Don't like it? Don't stay. ;)

I don't have a problem with what Kranar does, I have a problem with how mods apply the rules Kranar sets and I've taken it up with him on numerous occasions.

PS: Love ya!

[Edited on 10-24-2004 by Mistomeer]

[Ilvane]

If you haven't noticed, Tsa'ah's posts are gone too.

Thanks for playing!

-A

On topic, I mean it!

[Tsa`ah]

Originally posted by xtc
Read this thread see how many posts have been edited by Tsa'ah. It is happening.

I respect Tsa'sh for his knowledge and his ability to lay out a well thought out argument. However his moderating stinks perhaps his lacks the ability to be objective.


GOP sucking Israeli dick since 1947.

Do you know what has been edited though xtc? Am I now supposed to ignore the rules and allow clear violations to continue?

You just see something that has been edited by me; you don't know what the violation was.

If by seeing my name more in the edit tag means I stink in your opinion, I really don't know what to tell you. Perhaps you should elaborate on why I stink.

Is it because the peanut gallery says so and you are agreeing? Or do you have an actual reason or interaction that led you to the conclusion?

If you give warning that action X will result in consequence Y, do you just not act?

I'm sorry, but I will continue to edit sexually, racially, and religiously offensive material until Kranar decides it is no longer my concern.

Nice sig by the way. I couldn't agree more.

[Miss X]

Perhaps I'm going blind, but I thought Ilvane had just asked if we could keep on topic?

[Brattt8525]

You know, I am really not sure why some of you are so angry. This last incident with both banned parties was not in all honesty from the last thing they apparently did. It is a thing called repeatedly pushing the limit, repeatedly breaking or hovering over the line of TOS.

Bob, while not as annoying as Pyscho boy, was still pushing the line as far as possible. Eventually you push hard enough, someone will push back. That being said, you few who are coming here and being asses about the whole deal, are not impressing anyone in the least.

If you cannot find a way to express yourself without using profanity, with every other word, then I assure you your views on what happened are falling on deaf ears.

Suck it up, make an intelligent post, and lose the name calling school yard crap, and people might take you seriously.

[Mistomeer]

Originally posted by Brattt8525

If you cannot find a way to express yourself without using profanity, with every other word, then I assure you your views on what happened are falling on deaf ears.

Suck it up, make an intelligent post, and lose the name calling school yard crap, and people might take you seriously.

Yay, exactly my point. I don't see the need for baseless name calling when people are just having a civil discussion/debate.

[Chelle]

Bob is gone. Bob will be back. Maybe you Bob worshippers can help him control himself next time? Just a thought. Maybe help him stick to the helpful posts, instead of the cruel ones? In fact, maybe you guys ( Bobs followers ) should have done that this time so he wouldnt have gotten banned.... AGAIN.

[Chelle]

Originally posted by Mistomeer

Originally posted by Brattt8525

If you cannot find a way to express yourself without using profanity, with every other word, then I assure you your views on what happened are falling on deaf ears.

Suck it up, make an intelligent post, and lose the name calling school yard crap, and people might take you seriously.

Yay, exactly my point. I don't see the need for baseless name calling when people are just having a civil discussion/debate.

Mistomer, maybe that advice would have been helpful to Bob, before he got banned.

[xtc]

Originally posted by Tsa`ah

Originally posted by xtc
Read this thread see how many posts have been edited by Tsa'ah. It is happening.

I respect Tsa'sh for his knowledge and his ability to lay out a well thought out argument. However his moderating stinks perhaps his lacks the ability to be objective.


GOP sucking Israeli dick since 1947.

Do you know what has been edited though xtc? Am I now supposed to ignore the rules and allow clear violations to continue?

You just see something that has been edited by me; you don't know what the violation was.

If by seeing my name more in the edit tag means I stink in your opinion, I really don't know what to tell you. Perhaps you should elaborate on why I stink.

Is it because the peanut gallery says so and you are agreeing? Or do you have an actual reason or interaction that led you to the conclusion?

If you give warning that action X will result in consequence Y, do you just not act?

I'm sorry, but I will continue to edit sexually, racially, and religiously offensive material until Kranar decides it is no longer my concern.

Nice sig by the way. I couldn't agree more.

Tsa'ah the sig was obviously to see if you would edit it or if could be objective, but I am sure that was overtly obvious.

You have seemed to be a little on the moderating happy side. When I mentioned in an earlier post that this is the only board where people get banned, you made some snide remark about 1 hour Canadian time equalling 20 minutes US time. To be honest I didn't know what the hell you making reference to, except possibly that the Canadian dollar is worth around 83 cents US. What relevance it had to my post is beyond me.

The letter of the law kills; it is the spirit that is important. Some of my posts have been deleted and I have no idea why. I am not accusing you Tsa'ah because I don't know who did it or for what reason.

I have not said that you stink Tsa'ah. There seems to be a chorus of people here who question your objectivity. I am surprised that Bob has been banned. His last post (see gay/black defamation) was obviously tongue in cheek and not a serious statement. Now while it had to go, I would not have banned him for it.


Tsa'ah you are obviously a bright guy with deductive reasoning skills and the ability to think through an argument. I am asking you to take those same skills and ask yourself if you are being truly objective in your moderating and if it possible that you are being a little on the zealous side.

ps zealous is not meant as a racial insult

[xtc]

Originally posted by Chelle
Bob is gone. Bob will be back. Maybe you Bob worshippers can help him control himself next time? Just a thought. Maybe help him stick to the helpful posts, instead of the cruel ones? In fact, maybe you guys ( Bobs followers ) should have done that this time so he wouldnt have gotten banned.... AGAIN.

Lol Bob followers? I didn’t realise Bob was such a messianic figure. Jim Jones eat your heart out..lol

[Trinitis]

While bobs last post may have been tongue in cheek, its also the umpteenth time he's broken the SAME rule with the SAME word(s).

Lets put it this way..

You have a young child..and he and his friends like to play baseball. One day, while playing baseball in your back yard, they hit a ball and break a window. This is the first time it happens. It was clearly a mistake/unthought through plan. You let him off light.

But its now 6 months later, and he has broken the same window for the 40th time! Your still going to slap his hand and tell him to stop doing it?

[Drew2]

Bad analogy.

Bob is not damaging anyone's physical property nor costing them any money to fix said property. Apples and oranges.

[Artha]

If windows could be replaced for free and instantly, that'd be an excellent analogy.

[Drew2]

Hmm, interesting way to repeat what I just said, Artha.

Keep it up.

[Chelle]

Actually, I don't think they are "Bob followers" persay. I think they are USING Bob because they disagree with Tsa'ah.

[Trinitis]

Sorry, I left a part out of my little post there that was in my head, but I did not type down. He keeps playing baseball in the back yard AFTER to ask him not too.


So in that case, he is doing what you asked him not to, over and over and over and over and over...

[Tsa`ah]

First I'll address your sig. Stating the GOP has been sucking Israelite dick since 1947 has merit. I'm not a Zionist and would not read any more into it than a political statement. While I detected a bit of a zing, it's not my place to edit political jabs.

The mention of Canadian vs US time was a jab at X. I have stated before, being a mod does not exclude me from such posts. Nothing posted was off topic, as much of a topic as there actually was. I can be snide, I can be arrogant, and I can be a jackass. I am not prohibited from such attributes or detriments. I also have to uphold the TOS, just as other mods are. You may not have noticed, but I also had posts pulled by Ilvane.

You may find surprise in the banning of Bob, but you're actually in the minority on that. He's pushed and danced around TOS for some time now. A person can only be warned and advised on posting habits for so long before action must be taken to let them know that the warnings aren't lip service.

There's also a chorus of people that complain about how the official boards are moderated. Some valid, some not. Complaints about me are no different. Am I bias? Only when you make it a habit to post in a manner that is in opposition to the TOS.

So we're back to square one. No one, other than my deletion spree. no one has been able to provide example of my over zealous moderating.

If your posts disappeared from a thread and you didn't get a U2U, I don't know what to tell you. I'm not the only mod on these forums. If a mod posted a notice in said thread, then there's your answer.

[Edited on 10-24-2004 by Tsa`ah]

[Weedmage Princess]

>>I am surprised that Bob has been banned. His last post (see gay/black defamation) was obviously tongue in cheek and not a serious statement. Now while it had to go, I would not have banned him for it. <<

Bob was not banned for that one post. Bob has a long history of making posts like that. (and by that I mean inflammatory, disruptive, "look at me I'm going to post this for no other reason than to break the rules that all the mods and administration asked me repeatedly not to) Like I said before, there is not one member who has been warned/spoken to as often as Bob without it resulting in some sort of disciplinary action. If you look over this thread, you'll see that most people actually understand why Bob was banned, despite how they feel about him.

As a matter of fact, Bob's been at his behavior longer than Psykos has, yet I see no "Bring back Psykos!" thread. What was that a few of you were saying about objectivity?

[Mistomeer]

Originally posted by Weedmage Princess
As a matter of fact, Bob's been at his behavior longer than Psykos has, yet I see no "Bring back Psykos!" thread. What was that a few of you were saying about objectivity?

I would guess that 99% of Psykos posts were disruptive and insulting, where Bob had many posts that were informative and helpful.

[Weedmage Princess]

Just because some of Bob's posts were informative and helpful doesn't mean that *a lot* of them weren't. Just as he had many posts that were helpful and informative, he had many posts fell into the category that I mentioned in my prior post: Inflammatory, disruptive posts made with no intent other than to purposely not abide by the rules. Just like Psykos violated the rules, Bob did too. That's what I meant.

[CrystalTears]

I'm rather torn with Bob's banning, believe it or not, as much as he bugged the crap out of me usually. He's been coasting by with his behavior for a long time, and it's mostly because when he is a productive and positive poster, he's really good. He helps people with game issues and is funny when it's not at someone else's expense. However when he gets on his kicks to be bad, it's really bad.

Banning is a really hard thing to do. You guys seem to think that it comes easy for staff to do and it isn't because you have to take into account how people will react to such decisions. If you think staff gets to that decision lightly, then you really have no idea what it takes to run this place.

I'd like to see Bob around, I just don't want the antagonist, angry version. I don't like when he makes fun of other people's children. I don't like when he tells people who are already suicidal to go ahead and do it. I don't like when he constantly corrects people. There's a right and wrong way to disagree with people and he wasn't taking the correct route.

Psykos.. well.. he's bad apple. He was never really a positive contribution to these forums. He started off abrasive and a liar and it just got worse from there. I have no sympathy with that banning whatsoever. That was long overdue. He added nothing to any thread, unlike Bob who actually does care about this place. I'm hoping he comes back in better spirits and attitude.

[Edited on 10/24/2004 by CrystalTears]

Please, Bob had his own way of posting. People just need to be less goddamn sensitive. It's all it is. WAA WAA MY FEELINGS WERE HURT. Please, man up.

- Arkans

[Brattt8525]

Originally posted by Arkans
Please, Bob had his own way of posting. People just need to be less goddamn sensitive. It's all it is. WAA WAA MY FEELINGS WERE HURT. Please, man up.

- Arkans

Your right about one thing Arkans, the man up part is what Bob needs to do. Along with some other posters, you in one breath say WAA WAAAA, well guess what how about fair turnabout? WAAA WAAA Bob got banned for repeatedly posting as he was warned not too.

See the point? hmm probably not, anyway carry on.

I think you're the last one that should be posting about "manning up". Shouldn't you be getting upset about a 14 year old making fun of your kid over the internet?

- Arkans

[Brattt8525]

Originally posted by Arkans
I think you're the last one that should be posting about "manning up". Shouldn't you be getting upset about a 14 year old making fun of your kid over the internet?

- Arkans

Nice try :D

[xtc]

Originally posted by Tsa`ah
First I'll address your sig. Stating the GOP has been sucking Israelite dick since 1947 has merit. I'm not a Zionist and would not read any more into it than a political statement. While I detected a bit of a zing, it's not my place to edit political jabs.

The mention of Canadian vs US time was a jab at X. I have stated before, being a mod does not exclude me from such posts. Nothing posted was off topic, as much of a topic as there actually was. I can be snide, I can be arrogant, and I can be a jackass. I am not prohibited from such attributes or detriments. I also have to uphold the TOS, just as other mods are. You may not have noticed, but I also had posts pulled by Ilvane.

You may find surprise in the banning of Bob, but you're actually in the minority on that. He's pushed and danced around TOS for some time now. A person can only be warned and advised on posting habits for so long before action must be taken to let them know that the warnings aren't lip service.

There's also a chorus of people that complain about how the official boards are moderated. Some valid, some not. Complaints about me are no different. Am I bias? Only when you make it a habit to post in a manner that is in opposition to the TOS.

So we're back to square one. No one, other than my deletion spree. no one has been able to provide example of my over zealous moderating.

If your posts disappeared from a thread and you didn't get a U2U, I don't know what to tell you. I'm not the only mod on these forums. If a mod posted a notice in said thread, then there's your answer.

[Edited on 10-24-2004 by Tsa`ah]

Please note Tsa'ah that the sig was not meant as either a racial or religious insult. I simply was curious at how objective you could be. Objectivity is not easy for most people. We all have our personal likes/dislikes and it can be difficult to be bias free when moderating.

I never received a U2U for the deletion of my posts.

I got that the time thing was a zinger it was just the logic that escaped me.

I have tried to he objective in my criticism. I have been posting here for a few months so I can't testify to Bob's antics before I got here. However banning seemed harsh to me.

[HarmNone]

It may be, Mistomeer, that the banning of Bob seemed harsh to you precisely BECAUSE you haven't been here all that long. You have no idea what's gone on before you got here. You also have no idea how difficult it was for Kranar to make the decision to put Bob on vacation.

While Bob can be a mighty pain in the backside, he can also be funny, insightful, and informative. I'm not saying anything here I haven't said to Bob, and that hasn't been said by others.

No matter where one goes in the world, there will be rules to follow. Anarchy simply doesn't work well to meet the needs of any society. Bob found it necessary to fly in the face of the rules Kranar has set for these forums, despite Bob's full understanding of those rules. There is a price to be paid, and Bob is paying it. While I'm not sorry to see one of Bob's faces gone for awhile, I will certainly miss the other face...that of a helpful, intelligent young man.