Bring back Bob!

[Mistomeer]

Originally posted by HarmNone
It may be, Mistomeer, that the banning of Bob seemed harsh to you precisely BECAUSE you haven't been here all that long. You have no idea what's gone on before you got here. You also have no idea how difficult it was for Kranar to make the decision to put Bob on vacation.

I registered August 2003. I've been here for quite awhile, and my problem isn't so much that Bob was banned, it's that I see little action taken towards others who are just as disruptive and the fact that I think rules are applied by many mods in an uneven manner.

I've read the boards for quite some time. Bob is hardly someone would ban. His comments were hardly ban worthy.

- Arkans

[Trinitis]

His comments taken each sepperatly, no. But his collective breaking of the rules, yes.

Just because your opinion of something is not bad, does not mean Kranar must adhear to it. Kranar set the rules as he sees fit. He runs the boards, he has full control of the boards.

Kranar is a VERY reasonable person. Talk to him. If you feel that still don't work, then you put in the effort and make your own boards, where you can allow the views, language, and posting topics you want.

[CrystalTears]

Originally posted by Arkans
I've read the boards for quite some time. Bob is hardly someone would ban. His comments were hardly ban worthy.

- Arkans

And has been said before, just because you haven't seen what he has posted as being ban worthy doesn't mean that it hasn't happened. You've seen the unedited and unremoved stuff. There are quite a number of things that have been removed, so obviously what you end up seeing are the tolerated material. You're going on assumptions of things that you don't know and the staff does.

[Kuyuk]

Someone should open up a poll about this with fair opinions for the options.

i.e.
Bob was properly punished
Bob's punishment was too harsh, though a ban is OK
Bob's punishment shouldn't have been banishment
Bob's punishment is total BS, and Tsa'ah is a Dink

And have more options for the grey areas I left. I think I covered some of the opinions I have read on this thread. It'd be interesting to see the poll.

K.

[Mistomeer]

Originally posted by Kuyuk
Someone should open up a poll about this with fair opinions for the options.

i.e.
Bob was properly punished
Bob's punishment was too harsh, though a ban is OK
Bob's punishment shouldn't have been banishment
Bob's punishment is total BS, and Tsa'ah is a Dink

And have more options for the grey areas I left. I think I covered some of the opinions I have read on this thread. It'd be interesting to see the poll.

K.

I think Bob's punishment can be fair and Tsa`ah can be unfair. The two don't have to go hand in hand.

Typo...

[Edited on 10-24-2004 by Mistomeer]

[CrystalTears]

It won't change the outcome, though.

[Chelle]

Seriously, c'mon. Is this really about Bob? Seems to me it's more of a vendetta against Tsa'ah. Which is in my opinion pointless. Okay, Tsa'ah isn't going anywhere, lets face it. So ya either suck it up and move on, or simply just leave. It really is that simple.

Like CrystalTears pointed out, we do not know what other things were pulled that Bob posted. When the kid gets in his angry mode, he seems to get out of control. Best he learns some self control here than out in the real world. I doubt he'd have the stones to say some of the stuff here to someones face. If he did he'd have a broken nose quite often. I understand that this is the best place (edit) to talk trash, and so he does.

The mods have put up with ALOT from him. Just let him learn and maybe he'll stick to the more constructive posting style.

[Edited on 10-25-2004 by Tijay]

[crazymage]

its both Chelle, if tsa'ah wasnt stalin reborn, then bob would still be here.

[Jorddyn]

Originally posted by crazymage
its both Chelle, if tsa'ah wasnt stalin reborn, then bob would still be here.

If Bob hadn't been a jackass, he would also still be here.

Jorddyn

[Chelle]

If this board were like other boards, then Bob wouldn't have lasted two weeks. And comparing someone to Stalin is a bit extreme. No one was killed were they? I musta missed that one. :lol:

[Tsa`ah]

Tsa`ah did not ban Bob.

Bob got himself banned.

Tsa`ah did not even delete the post that pushed Bob over the edge.

[Makkah]

<<I understand that this is the best place for a puney lil white boy to talk trash, and so he does. >>

Any insulting comments committed on basis of someone's ethnic background or skin color will not be tolerated on these boards.

rht

[Ravenstorm]

Let's see... At least two people admitted ot having reported that post of Bob's. Neither of them was Tsa'ah. Only one person has the authority to ban someone. That's not Tsa'ah. Only one person actually made that post while knowing it violated TOS. That wasn't Tsa'ah.

And the moral is? You're a whiny little bitch. You don't like Tsa'ah? Fine. Go make a webpage somewhere about what an asshole he is. Here? Complain to Kranar. If you don't like Kranar's response? Vote with your feet.

Note: if the 'you' in the above post fits more than one person, it probably applies to them all.

Raven

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by crazymage
its both Chelle, if tsa'ah wasnt stalin reborn, then bob would still be here.

That is incorrect.

[Miss X]

How many times do we need to say it? It was me who deleted the final post, that violated the ToS of these forums. It was Kranar who banned Bob, his ban was not based purely on that single post. It's pretty simple and Tsa'ahs style of moderating had nothing to do with it.

(haha, beat ya Addy) ;)

[Edited on 24-10-04 by Miss X]

[Trinitis]

We've said this before. Bob's ban had nothing to do with Tsa'ah. Bobs ban was a result of his high ammount of violations, and the final post, which was not even removed by Tsa'ah.

DARN YOU CHICA! :heart:



[Edited on 10-24-2004 by LordAdredrin]

[Weedmage Princess]

Chelle, I agree with you 250%. Bob should have been banned quite some time ago and as I said before, if you read the thread, most people understand and agree with Bob being banned. There are only a handful who don't. This is more about the Tsa'ah Hate Brigade than about Bob.

I will agree with Mistomeer on one thing, though. There is a definite need of stricter rules enforcement on the boards as well as a possible revision of the TOS. Actually, more of an addition of the TOS as opposed to a revision. It'd be nice to see more than a few threads that are worth reading that don't degrade into mindless insult tossing.

[Ravenstorm]

Isn't that covered by Kranar's new demerit system? It's never clearer than now why it's sorely needed.

Raven

[HarmNone]

Hopefully, Weedie, the new demerit system will help to keep this under control. Until then, the posters and moderators can, and should, work together to try to keep things enjoyable here.

[Weedmage Princess]

Yep.

[Chelle]

Remember the poll where we voted who we would think would get banned first? We should've had a poll asking who would get banned before the demerit system even started. Even then we would've easily guessed who it would be. I think that poll had Psykos in the lead with Bob in second?

[SpunGirl]

I see quite a few people wrapped up in their own little crusade against a moderator they don't like. You've tried discussing it with the only person who can do something about it, and obviously he doesn't agree with you. You've started a shit-storm on the boards about it, and nothing has changed. How many bangs to the skull does it take to get to the center of your brain?

-K

[Brattt8525]

Originally posted by SpunGirl
I see quite a few people wrapped up in their own little crusade against a moderator they don't like. You've tried discussing it with the only person who can do something about it, and obviously he doesn't agree with you. You've started a shit-storm on the boards about it, and nothing has changed. How many bangs to the skull does it take to get to the center of your brain?

-K

That last line made me laugh, thank you!

Too bad it wasn't you for sucking at life. :cow:

- Arkans

[Mistomeer]

Originally posted by SpunGirl
I see quite a few people wrapped up in their own little crusade against a moderator they don't like. You've tried discussing it with the only person who can do something about it, and obviously he doesn't agree with you. You've started a shit-storm on the boards about it, and nothing has changed. How many bangs to the skull does it take to get to the center of your brain?

-K

I see someone who can't view the situation objectively if that's what you truly believe.
Tsa`ah's behavior this weekend, from overstepping his mod bounds to repeated posts that violate TOS just reinforced what many had already been complaing about.

[SpunGirl]

I haven't said anything about the validity or non-validity of your cmplaints. What I'm saying is that the complaining and the big dramatic threads are getting you nowhere. Again, how long will you continue to do this before you realize this?

-K

[Mistomeer]

Originally posted by SpunGirl
I haven't said anything about the validity or non-validity of your cmplaints. What I'm saying is that the complaining and the big dramatic threads are getting you nowhere. Again, how long will you continue to do this before you realize this?

-K

Doing nothing gets me nowhere.
You can't expect things to change if you don't actually voice your complaints, right?

[Chelle]

I think by now the complaints are noted, documented, and read, over... and over... and over. So now what?

Something gets done?

- Arkans

[SpunGirl]

Sure, voice them. Er, already been done x 100000. I could see if this were about like, gender equality, racial equality, whatever. But it's not, it's about an internet message board. And you still haven't answered my question - how - long - are you willing to "fight the good fight" when it's clear the people who can make changes are no longer listening?

-K

[SpunGirl]

Originally posted by Arkans
Something gets done?

- Arkans

And if not? At some point you either have to accept the good with the bad and move on, or decide that this is no longer the place for you.

-K

We'll see when we get some kind of word on what's going on.

- Arkans

[Chelle]

Originally posted by Arkans
Something gets done?

- Arkans


How will you know if something gets done? Is Kranar supposed to give you an itenerary of what's talked about between him and the mods? I am quite sure something is being done. NOT that anything needs to be done, in my opinion.

However, some peoples dreams of Tsa'ahs departure won't come to pass. If that is a main goal then they're fighting a lost cause.

[SpunGirl]

You're not going to get word of what's going on. I've said it, mods have said it, I think even Kranar has said it. Whatever he says to Tsa'ah, be it "good job buddy" or "back off dude" is between the two of them, employer and employee. You don't get the dirt.

-K

[Mistomeer]

Originally posted by SpunGirl
Sure, voice them. Er, already been done x 100000. I could see if this were about like, gender equality, racial equality, whatever. But it's not, it's about an internet message board. And you still haven't answered my question - how - long - are you willing to "fight the good fight" when it's clear the people who can make changes are no longer listening?

-K

Um, if I thought Kranar could make significant changes with regards to equality I'd certianly voice them here.

I have accepted the good with the bad. I haven't been posting as much about it as I was and would be done posting about it if it wasn't for responding to posts like this one...

[SpunGirl]

You still haven't answered my question.

-K

[Mistomeer]

Originally posted by SpunGirl
You still haven't answered my question.

-K

Oh, about fighting the good fight?
I really don't think of it as fighting, more of voicing my concerns, and honestly, I feel I've adequately voiced them and if it wasn't for responding to posts, I'd be done posting in these threads.

[SpunGirl]

Fantastic. It'll be nice to see these threads come to an end.

-K

[Hulkein]

Originally posted by Nieninque

Originally posted by Arkans
The fact is that no moderator on any message board should be this controversial.

- Arkans

He isnt.

He was made out to be contraversial because of Psykos

Nah, he's always had some complaints. He was bullheaded and refused to listen to me about something he did to a thread of mine a few months ago. When you disagree with him he just ignores you and tries to insult you for some lame generic reason.

[Edited on 10-24-2004 by Hulkein]

[Ilvane]

I'm going to close this thread up. If anyone has any further complaints on the staff of PC, please feel free to take it to the correct topic.

Have a great day!

-A