Biker shootout in Texas results in nine dead

[Candor]

(CNN)Even before the melee that left nine dead began, police were already in place, expecting a ruckus.

What they saw was far more brutal than what they had anticipated.

Rival biker gangs unleashed a hailstorm of bullets outside a Twin Peaks restaurant in Waco, Texas, leaving nine people dead and at least 17 hospitalized.

"In my nearly 35 years of law enforcement experience, this is the most violent and gruesome scene that I have dealt with," Waco police Sgt. W. Patrick Swanton said.

By Monday morning, almost 200 people were in the McLellan County Jail facing charges of engaging in organized crime in connection with the shootout, Swanton said. Following his news conference, Swanton told CNN that his initial estimate of 192 arrests may have been too high and the actual number is "in the 170s."

Prosecutors and investigators could elect to level other charges, including capital murder, he said, but the organized crime charge is "pretty serious."

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As I understand it, there were no serious injuries to either law enforcement or civilians. What we have here is nine dead scumbags, 17 others hospitalized, and something under 200 total arrested.

I say put all the survivors into a chain gang. They can start by digging the graves for the nine dead (a good spot might be in the local landfill). After that, well I'm sure Texas needs some work done somewhere for the next 40 years or so. Cruel and unusual punishment you say? Tough shit.

After a couple years, film the chain gang and the work they perform, and show the film at Texas high schools as a warning.

[Gelston]

I see you are interested in taking away people's Constitutional Rights.

[Wrathbringer]

I see you are interested in taking away people's Constitutional Rights.

Of course. He's a republican.

[Methais]

Bike lives matter!

Stop bike on bike crime now you bunch of racists!

[Ker_Thwap]

We need to polarize this debate more.

1. This happened because of guns and Republican oppression, leaving these poor gang members without the opportunities that we take for granted because of our privilege.

2. Frickin libtards, this is what happens when you don't spank your children every day! Do you want gangs, because this is how you get gangs!

Please feel free to choose one (and only one) theme and expand upon it. Points will be deducted for moderate and thoughtful responses.

[Fallen]

It's this guy's fault. Nuff said.

http://media.washtimes.com.s3.amazonaws.com/media/image/2014/12/20/putin-biker-gang.jpg

[Ker_Thwap]

It's this guy's fault. Nuff said.

http://media.washtimes.com.s3.amazonaws.com/media/image/2014/12/20/putin-biker-gang.jpg

That guy on the right would look entirely bad-ass scary if not for the fact that he's wearing fishnet nylons on his arms.

[Tgo01]

People on Facebook are already complaining because no one is referring to them as "thugs" like they did the "peaceful black protesters" in Baltimore.

I think referring to them as gangs kind of indicates they are thugs, yes?

[Ker_Thwap]

People on Facebook are already complaining because no one is referring to them as "thugs" like they did the "peaceful black protesters" in Baltimore.

I think referring to them as gangs kind of indicates they are thugs, yes?

Gangs of thugs or gangs of DeCaprios? You need to be more precise.

[Tgo01]

Gangs of thugs or gangs of DeCaprios? You need to be more precise.

Aren't those the same thing?

[Tisket]

Of course. He's a republican.

I see that you're grasping at new depths of ignorance here.

[Wrathbringer]

I am gassing new depths of flatulence here.

Cool.

[Tisket]

Changing someone's quote was funny ten years ago. Now it's just cliched and tired.

[Parkbandit]

Changing someone's quote was funny ten years ago. Now it's just cliched and tired. Except when PB does it because when he does it, it's actually funny.

^^

[Wrathbringer]

Changing my drawers was funny ten years ago. Now it's just cliched and tired like me.

Okay.

[Candor]

I see you are interested in taking away people's Constitutional Rights.

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

[Candor]

The fact that no one besides the bikers was injured shows the professionalism of Texas law enforcement. I hope some medals are given out over this one.

[Wrathbringer]

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

I could actually hear gelston's post soaring over your head in that reply.

[Tgo01]

People on Facebook are also blaming police for not preventing this.

Police just can't win.

[Astray]

Why can't the cops just be omnipotent? GAWD LAZY FUCKS

[Androidpk]

If those cops had bodycams this would have been prevented.

[Ker_Thwap]

If those cops had bodycams this would have been prevented.

Don't think for a second that one of the families won't sue the PD.

[Kembal]

People on Facebook are also blaming police for not preventing this.

Police just can't win.

wtf? the police were pretty clear that the restaurant wanted all the bikers to come there and refused to pay attention to the warnings from the police.

[Androidpk]

wtf? the police were pretty clear that the restaurant wanted all the bikers to come there and refused to pay attention to the warnings from the police.

So the police wanted the restaurant to close down? Fascist pigs!

[Tgo01]

wtf? the police were pretty clear that the restaurant wanted all the bikers to come there and refused to pay attention to the warnings from the police.

But the police! BUT THE POLICE!

People don't have guns? Cops suck for shooting unarmed people.

People do have guns? Cops suck for not warning people or for not just shooting the guns out of their hands instead of killing them.

[Kembal]

But the police! BUT THE POLICE!

People don't have guns? Cops suck for shooting unarmed people.

People do have guns? Cops suck for not warning people or for not just shooting the guns out of their hands instead of killing them.

lol at last line.

using deadly force on an unarmed person not posing a threat is a different issue.

the cops, in this instance, were absolute professionals here. anyone asserting otherwise is absolutely deranged.

[Tgo01]

the cops, in this instance, were absolute professionals here. anyone asserting otherwise is absolutely deranged.

BUT THE POLICE!!!!

http://educationviews.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Foaming-At-The-Mouth.jpg

[Ker_Thwap]

But the police! BUT THE POLICE!

People don't have guns? Cops suck for shooting unarmed people.

People do have guns? Cops suck for not warning people or for not just shooting the guns out of their hands instead of killing them.

A true law enforcement professional would have followed this excellent training video. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4iDWXstrWY)

[Androidpk]

Hah, I watched that movie a few months ago. Weird action movie.

[Ker_Thwap]

Hah, I watched that excellent training video a few months ago. Weird excellent training video.

FTFY

[Candor]

Don't think for a second that one of the families won't sue the PD.

Unfortunately, you're probably right. I just hope the Judge invokes some common sense over the matter.

[Fallen]

I've seen an article or two saying the gangs put out a "green light" on the cops in Waco. It'll be interesting to see how it all plays out.

[Androidpk]

I've seen an article or two saying the gangs put out a "green light" on the cops in Waco. It'll be interesting to see how it all plays out.

That happened after this event or before?

[Fallen]

After


As police rounded up the bikers and night soon fell, intelligence reports indicated that more bikers were on the way here and that officers had been "green lighted" - essentially a gang sanctioned call for killing - as retaliation

[Androidpk]

That is crazy.

[ClydeR]

Obama should send Biden to Waco to deal with this. Who else could walk into a biker bar and five minutes later steal their girls and still be best buddies with everybody there?


http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo166/rmi08a/biden-bikers_zpsfrhhqsit.jpg
washingtonpost.com (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/she-the-people/post/joe-biden-courts-the-biker-votes-and-the-evidence-goes-viral/2012/09/10/e046b530-fb78-11e1-98c6-ec0a0a93f8eb_blog.html)

What is the biker on the left thinking? Is he bewildered? Amused? Angry?

[SHAFT]

I've been to Waco. This will definitely liven the place up. Dreary town.

[Gelston]

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

K. They still have Rights, the same way that you do. I know, you try to act like the old hard ass. You just come off as dumb bitch though.

I'd say the biggest reason is.... No one has any respect for you. You are Candor. You are a dumbass.

[Androidpk]

K. They still have Rights, the same way that you do. I know, you try to act like the old hard ass. You just come off as dumb bitch though.

I'd say the biggest reason is.... No one has any respect for you. You are Candor. You are a dumbass.

Since when do you care about constitutional rights?

[Gelston]

Since when do you care about constitutional rights?

Since September 17, 1787.

[SHAFT]

Since September 17, 1787.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

[Gelston]

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

k?

[Androidpk]

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Please don't smoke the constitution.

[Thondalar]

Please don't smoke the constitution.

Yeah, that's the SCOTUS' job.

[Gelston]

Yeah, that's the SCOTUS' job.

No, the serve a very important purpose, as set out by the constitution. If you disagree with them... Pass an Amendment. Hell, you could pass Amendment that completely gets rid of them. You SHOULD pass an amendment making me Emperor of America though.

[Gelston]

If made Emperor, I'd immediately wage war on our southern borders. If it went well, and I think it would, I'd make them my solders and take Canada, following on to Europe. I'd then nuke the ever living shit out of the entire middle east and pass strict sedition laws.

[Androidpk]

Yeah, that's the SCOTUS' job.

I literally LOL'd.

[SHAFT]

No, the serve a very important purpose, as set out by the constitution. If you disagree with them... Pass an Amendment. Hell, you could pass Amendment that completely gets rid of them. You SHOULD pass an amendment making me Emperor of America though.

Maybe the old gelston. You've changed. Perhaps it's time to take a look at the man in the mirror? Oh yeah?

[Androidpk]

No, the serve a very important purpose, as set out by the constitution. If you disagree with them... Pass an Amendment. Hell, you could pass Amendment that completely gets rid of them. You SHOULD pass an amendment making me Emperor of America though.

The Emperor doesn't get voted in, he uses his techno-barbarians to conquer and unite the world.

[Gelston]

Maybe the old gelston. You've changed. Perhaps it's time to take a look at the man in the mirror? Oh yeah?
I am drunk and read lots of Wh40k recently.

[Gelston]

The Emperor doesn't get voted in, he uses his techno-barbarians to conquer and unite the world.

So be it.

[Androidpk]

What books? Horus Heresy?

[Gelston]

What books? Horus Heresy?

Yarrick series

[Androidpk]

I didn't know he had one.

[Ashlander]

I didn't know he had one.

Makes two of us going to have to go buy it now.

[Gelston]

I didn't know he had one.

There are a lot. Short stories and full length novels.

http://www.blacklibrary.com/warhammer-40000/yarrick

Don't buy the shorts though, not worth it.

Pretty much only three worth a damn. The Gunheads isn't so much about him, but worth a read.

[Androidpk]

Gunheads was cool. Yarriks tank has the coolest name ever, Fortress of Arrogance.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/thumb/5/58/FortressofArrogance.jpg/450px-FortressofArrogance.jpg

[Candor]

K. They still have Rights, the same way that you do. I know, you try to act like the old hard ass. You just come off as dumb bitch though.

I'd say the biggest reason is.... No one has any respect for you. You are Candor. You are a dumbass.

Given the source, I'll take that as a compliment. Keep drinkin...

[Candor]

additional info on this incident from CNN:


Photos from the scene showed bikers wearing the insignias of the Cossacks, Bandidos, Scimitars and Vaqueros. But according to a memo sent to law enforcement officers in the wake of the shooting, a member of the Bandidos, and a former informant who infiltrated biker clubs, the beef was primarily between the Bandidos and Cossacks.

It boils down to territory, said the informant, who goes by the name "Charles Falco."

"The Bandidos are the biggest motorcycle gang in Texas, and they don't allow other motorcycle gangs to enter that state. They will allow other motorcycles clubs to exist, but they're not allowed to wear that state bottom rocker. If they do, they face the onslaught of the Bandidos," Falco told CNN's Sara Sidner.

The bottom rocker refers to a state name on the back of a biker's vest. According to Falco, it can indicate where someone is from, as well as claim territory for that club.

"The Cossacks decided that they were big enough now to go ahead and wear the Texas bottom rocker, and basically tell the Bandidos that they're ready for war," he said.

Sunday's fight, Falco predicted, will make matters exponentially worse between the two gangs.

"It's definitely on, now," he said. "As long as they exist, they will be at war."

[Back]

No better than a lawless faction in a foreign country

[Methais]

Isn't that cute, they're fighting over girl scout patches on their motorcycle vests.

http://cdn.smosh.com/sites/default/files/bloguploads/badass-kid-baby-motorcycle.jpg

[Methais]

White-On-White Crime Strikes Again In Waco
http://s.huffpost.com/contributors/julia-craven/headshot.jpg
Julia Craven
julia.craven@huffingtonpost.com

Following a spate of white-on-white violence over the weekend in Waco, Texas, that claimed nine lives and resulted in scores of casualties and over 190 arrests, there has been a marked lack of interest in talking about where the event fits into the epidemic of such white criminal behavior in the U.S. -- despite the fact that every year, more white people are murdered by white people than by any other group.

In recent years, a national pattern has begun to emerge in the wake of shootings in which a black man is killed by a white man. Of course the death is a tragedy, goes the narrative, but the dead man probably provoked the killing somehow -- and more importantly, if you truly care about young black men, why aren't you more concerned about black-on-black violence?

The same pattern doesn't hold even when white-on-white crime unfolds in full view of the nation, as it did in the parking lot of the Twin Peaks Restaurant on Sunday.

Yet white-on-white crime should be a huge concern -- because it’s out of control. Granted, there are 201 thugs off the streets for the time being, but what about the rest of them?

Around 83 percent of white victims in 2011 were murdered by other whites, based on the most recent FBI homicide data.

As many as 3,172 white people were killed in 2011 -- and 2,630 of them lost their lives at the hands of another white person. This is compared to 2,695 black people, 2,447 of whom were killed by another black person.

Whites lead when it comes to gang violence too: 53.3 percent of gang-related murders between 1980 and 2008 were committed by white people, according to the Justice Department, compared to 42.2 percent committed by blacks. Victims of gang-related violence were also mostly white.

It’s time for a national conversation on how we can help these people alleviate crime rates in their community -- I mean, where are the fathers? -- and it's time for responsible white Americans to step up and condemn the violence.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/18/waco-texas-biker-gang_n_7307050.html?utm_hp_ref=tw

It must be all that Sons of Anarchy they watch and Lynyrd Skynyrd and other rowdy beer music they listen to, poisoning their minds.

They're so racist they hate their own race!

Hey wait a minute, she called them thugs. That's racist!

Also, clearly all the bikers were white:
http://a57.foxnews.com/global.fncstatic.com/static/managed/img/fn2/video/876/493/051815_stegal_waco_640.jpg?ve=1&tl=1

[Wrathbringer]

White-On-White Crime Strikes Again In Waco
http://s.huffpost.com/contributors/julia-craven/headshot.jpg
Julia Craven
julia.craven@huffingtonpost.com

Following a spate of white-on-white violence over the weekend in Waco, Texas, that claimed nine lives and resulted in scores of casualties and over 190 arrests, there has been a marked lack of interest in talking about where the event fits into the epidemic of such white criminal behavior in the U.S. -- despite the fact that every year, more white people are murdered by white people than by any other group.

In recent years, a national pattern has begun to emerge in the wake of shootings in which a black man is killed by a white man. Of course the death is a tragedy, goes the narrative, but the dead man probably provoked the killing somehow -- and more importantly, if you truly care about young black men, why aren't you more concerned about black-on-black violence?

The same pattern doesn't hold even when white-on-white crime unfolds in full view of the nation, as it did in the parking lot of the Twin Peaks Restaurant on Sunday.

Yet white-on-white crime should be a huge concern -- because it’s out of control. Granted, there are 201 thugs off the streets for the time being, but what about the rest of them?

Around 83 percent of white victims in 2011 were murdered by other whites, based on the most recent FBI homicide data.

As many as 3,172 white people were killed in 2011 -- and 2,630 of them lost their lives at the hands of another white person. This is compared to 2,695 black people, 2,447 of whom were killed by another black person.

Whites lead when it comes to gang violence too: 53.3 percent of gang-related murders between 1980 and 2008 were committed by white people, according to the Justice Department, compared to 42.2 percent committed by blacks. Victims of gang-related violence were also mostly white.

It’s time for a national conversation on how we can help these people alleviate crime rates in their community -- I mean, where are the fathers? -- and it's time for responsible white Americans to step up and condemn the violence.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/18/waco-texas-biker-gang_n_7307050.html?utm_hp_ref=tw

It must be all that Sons of Anarchy they watch and Lynyrd Skynyrd and other rowdy beer music they listen to, poisoning their minds.

They're so racist they hate their own race!

I, for one, am unsurprised that whites are more successful than blacks in any given field. Not sure what her point was.

[Methais]

This Photo Is Raising Questions About How Police Are Treating White Bikers After A Mass Murder

Today, a massive gunfight between rival biker gangs in Waco, Texas left at least 9 people dead and 18 injured. “In 34 years of law enforcement, this is the worst crime scene, the most violent crime scene I have ever been involved in,” Waco Police Sargent Patrick Swanton said.
The police have not named the gangs involved, but images taken after the massacre appear to show members of the Bandidos and the Cossacks, among other gangs, who have a history of violent confrontations in the area. The gang members reportedly opened fire on the police when they arrived at the scene.
Many of the individuals involved appear to be white, including some with white supremacist tattoos and patches. One image, in particular, is raising question about whether the suspects would be treated differently if they were minorities:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CFPY2fPWYAEpew3.png

Several commentators have noted that it’s a remarkably casual treatment of individuals who could be potential suspects for mass murder. No one is handcuffed and several people appear to have access to their cell phones.

It’s not known if any of the individuals in the photo played a direct role in the violence.

The image, of course, does not depict the full extent of the police response. The Los Angeles Times reported that, out of 150-200 bikers on the scene, “sheriff’s deputies were holding about 20 people wearing leather motorcycle vests — with their boots removed and in flex cuffs — in the parking lot.”
Many drew comparisons to Baltimore where police deployed tear gas against protesters and the National Gaurd was deployed. Although looting and vandalism occured, no one was killed during the Freddie Gray protests.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/05/17/3659874/photo-raising-questions-police-treating-white-bikers-mass-murder/

This should be fun. Where's Back? It's Tuesday.

[Gelston]

I wonder if Hispanic is considered white for the gang related percentages.


This Photo Is Raising Questions About How Police Are Treating White Bikers After A Mass Murder

Today, a massive gunfight between rival biker gangs in Waco, Texas left at least 9 people dead and 18 injured. “In 34 years of law enforcement, this is the worst crime scene, the most violent crime scene I have ever been involved in,” Waco Police Sargent Patrick Swanton said.
The police have not named the gangs involved, but images taken after the massacre appear to show members of the Bandidos and the Cossacks, among other gangs, who have a history of violent confrontations in the area. The gang members reportedly opened fire on the police when they arrived at the scene.
Many of the individuals involved appear to be white, including some with white supremacist tattoos and patches. One image, in particular, is raising question about whether the suspects would be treated differently if they were minorities:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CFPY2fPWYAEpew3.png

Several commentators have noted that it’s a remarkably casual treatment of individuals who could be potential suspects for mass murder. No one is handcuffed and several people appear to have access to their cell phones.

It’s not known if any of the individuals in the photo played a direct role in the violence.

The image, of course, does not depict the full extent of the police response. The Los Angeles Times reported that, out of 150-200 bikers on the scene, “sheriff’s deputies were holding about 20 people wearing leather motorcycle vests — with their boots removed and in flex cuffs — in the parking lot.”
Many drew comparisons to Baltimore where police deployed tear gas against protesters and the National Gaurd was deployed. Although looting and vandalism occured, no one was killed during the Freddie Gray protests.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/05/17/3659874/photo-raising-questions-police-treating-white-bikers-mass-murder/

This should be fun. Where's Back? It's Tuesday.

Mmhmmm

[Ker_Thwap]

They all look pretty fat, it's not like they're going to run off.

[Methais]

I wonder if Hispanic is considered white for the gang related percentages.

I bet at least one of them is even related to George Zimmerman the white hispanic.

[Wrathbringer]

They all look pretty fat, it's not like they're going to run off.

Oh sure, put them down for not having their genes honed by decades of slavery. Unbelievable.

[Tgo01]

White-On-White Crime Strikes Again In Waco
http://s.huffpost.com/contributors/julia-craven/headshot.jpg
Julia Craven
julia.craven@huffingtonpost.com

Following a spate of white-on-white violence over the weekend in Waco, Texas, that claimed nine lives and resulted in scores of casualties and over 190 arrests, there has been a marked lack of interest in talking about where the event fits into the epidemic of such white criminal behavior in the U.S. -- despite the fact that every year, more white people are murdered by white people than by any other group.

In recent years, a national pattern has begun to emerge in the wake of shootings in which a black man is killed by a white man. Of course the death is a tragedy, goes the narrative, but the dead man probably provoked the killing somehow -- and more importantly, if you truly care about young black men, why aren't you more concerned about black-on-black violence?

The same pattern doesn't hold even when white-on-white crime unfolds in full view of the nation, as it did in the parking lot of the Twin Peaks Restaurant on Sunday.

Yet white-on-white crime should be a huge concern -- because it’s out of control. Granted, there are 201 thugs off the streets for the time being, but what about the rest of them?

Around 83 percent of white victims in 2011 were murdered by other whites, based on the most recent FBI homicide data.

As many as 3,172 white people were killed in 2011 -- and 2,630 of them lost their lives at the hands of another white person. This is compared to 2,695 black people, 2,447 of whom were killed by another black person.

Whites lead when it comes to gang violence too: 53.3 percent of gang-related murders between 1980 and 2008 were committed by white people, according to the Justice Department, compared to 42.2 percent committed by blacks. Victims of gang-related violence were also mostly white.

It’s time for a national conversation on how we can help these people alleviate crime rates in their community -- I mean, where are the fathers? -- and it's time for responsible white Americans to step up and condemn the violence.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/18/waco-texas-biker-gang_n_7307050.html?utm_hp_ref=tw

It must be all that Sons of Anarchy they watch and Lynyrd Skynyrd and other rowdy beer music they listen to, poisoning their minds.

They're so racist they hate their own race!

Hey wait a minute, she called them thugs. That's racist!

Also, clearly all the bikers were white:
http://a57.foxnews.com/global.fncstatic.com/static/managed/img/fn2/video/876/493/051815_stegal_waco_640.jpg?ve=1&tl=1

It's cute how she thinks she's making some sort of awesome point.

Perhaps I missed it but has anyone (outside of racist biker gang members defending their own) defended the actions of these white bikers? Has anyone said they are just victims of their upbringing/environment? Has anyone argued we should go easy on them? Has anyone said they are being mistreated by the police who opened fire on them?

So far it seems everyone is condemning the bikers and their actions. THAT'S how it's supposed to be. A white guy fucks up I'm going to call him out on it and hope he spends a long time in jail. A black person fucks up I'm going to do the same thing, except the latter makes me a racist for not understanding the plight of the poor black person and the black person gets defended for being black.

Hmm....who are the real racists in this scenario? Allereli, of course.

[Gelston]

Hmm....who are the real racists in this scenario? Allereli, of course.

Please, for the love of God, don't mention her name in this thread. She hasn't posted in here yet, but now she will. Even worse, someone mentioned George Zimmerman earlier.

Fuck, she is definitely about to come all up in this thread.

[Androidpk]

http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/AP_george_zimmerman_verdict_reaction_jt_130714_16x 9_992.jpg

[Astray]

One of the gangs put out a green light to kill any uniforms on sight. So... there's that.

[Androidpk]

One of the gangs put out a green light to kill any uniforms on sight. So... there's that.

They are claiming it isn't true.

[Astray]

They are claiming it isn't true.

Have you ever murdered someone?

[Androidpk]

Have you ever murdered someone?

Do videogames count?

[Astray]

Do videogames count?

No.

[Gelston]

Have you ever murdered someone?

A full on war against Texas law enforcement would be a very bad idea for the continued existence of the involved biker MCs.

[Astray]

A full on war against Texas law enforcement would be a very bad idea for the continued existence of the involved biker MCs.

True. I doubt it's an actual threat but I think it's fair to remember ye biker gangs of old.

[Tgo01]

True. I doubt it's an actual threat but I think it's fair to remember ye biker gangs of old.

It's because they're white, isn't it? Racist.

[Astray]

It's because they're white, isn't it? Racist.

Hey, I'm part Apache. I'm allowed to hate the white man.

[Androidpk]

Hey, I'm part Apache. I'm allowed to hate the white man.

Attack helicopter or HTTP server software?

[Astray]

Attack helicopter or HTTP server software?

Little of column a, little of column b.

[drauz]

http://i.imgur.com/4KSaNFQ.jpg

[Candor]

Hey, I'm part Apache. I'm allowed to hate the white man.

Define "part". I'm 1/32nd Apache myself due to a ancestral Grandmother, but I almost never think about it.

[Gelston]

Define "part". I'm 1/32nd Apache myself due to a ancestral Grandmother, but I almost never think about it.

Ever done a DNA test? You probably have 0 Native blood. Most white people claim a little though, my family did too... Yeah, 99.8% European, .02% West African.

[Astray]

Define "part". I'm 1/32nd Apache myself due to a ancestral Grandmother, but I almost never think about it.


Ever done a DNA test? You probably have 0 Native blood. Most white people claim a little though, my family did too... Yeah, 99.8% European, .02% West African.

My Grandfather, biological, was a direct descendant. Does that make me a direct descendant? No. Do I need a test? Not really. I'm not making claims or trying to ease my way into easy money. If I'm not, I'll eat my crow someday.

[Ker_Thwap]

... and the stories are coming out, that the police fired all the bullets, the owner took a normal reservation from a long term customer, the owner didn't request police presence, the bikers only had nail clippers and incidental "weapons," and that all the witnesses have been arrested and silenced. The conspiracy begins!

I'll check back in here in a few months when we finally start to learn which parts are true, and which parts are made up.

[Androidpk]

My Grandfather, biological, was a direct descendant. Does that make me a direct descendant? No. Do I need a test? Not really. I'm not making claims or trying to ease my way into easy money. If I'm not, I'll eat my crow someday.

Part Apache, part Zeon.

[Astray]

part Zeon

We went over this already man, it's Spacenoid. But only other Spacenoids can call each other that.

[Androidpk]

We went over this already man, it's Spacenoid. But only other Spacenoids can call each other that.

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[Astray]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/490001521702993920/NptzWOtd_200x200.jpeg

You don't even know who Zabi is. POSER!

[Tgo01]

... and the stories are coming out, that the police fired all the bullets, the owner took a normal reservation from a long term customer, the owner didn't request police presence, the bikers only had nail clippers and incidental "weapons," and that all the witnesses have been arrested and silenced.

I knew it! I knew a peaceful white biker group wouldn't do these horrific crimes.

Damn pigs.

[Astray]

I knew it! I knew a peaceful white biker group wouldn't do these horrific crimes.

Damn pigs.

For the record, the green light I mentioned before? It's legit. I got some texts early in the morning letting me know the Banditos are serious and to stay the fuck out of Waco.

[Tgo01]

stay the fuck out of Waco.

Wasn't this common knowledge even before this shooting?

[Astray]

Wasn't this common knowledge even before this shooting?

Eh... yes and no. There's just more of a reason to stay out now.

[Candor]

Ever done a DNA test? You probably have 0 Native blood.

No motivation. The only time the issue came up was when my parents were looking for possible college scholarships/loans a...cough...certain number of years ago. As I recall, I needed at least 1/16th heritage for any opportunities, so nothing was pursued.

[Ker_Thwap]

No motivation. The only time the issue came up was when my parents were looking for possible college scholarships/loans a...cough...certain number of years ago. As I recall, I needed at least 1/16th heritage for any opportunities, so nothing was pursued.

What could possibly go wrong with a DNA testing company selling your data?

[Candor]

What could possibly go wrong with a DNA testing company selling your data?

I don't even want to think of the ramifications of that statement.

[Thondalar]

White-On-White Crime Strikes Again In Waco
http://s.huffpost.com/contributors/julia-craven/headshot.jpg
Julia Craven
julia.craven@huffingtonpost.com

Following a spate of white-on-white violence over the weekend in Waco, Texas, that claimed nine lives and resulted in scores of casualties and over 190 arrests, there has been a marked lack of interest in talking about where the event fits into the epidemic of such white criminal behavior in the U.S. -- despite the fact that every year, more white people are murdered by white people than by any other group.

In recent years, a national pattern has begun to emerge in the wake of shootings in which a black man is killed by a white man. Of course the death is a tragedy, goes the narrative, but the dead man probably provoked the killing somehow -- and more importantly, if you truly care about young black men, why aren't you more concerned about black-on-black violence?

The same pattern doesn't hold even when white-on-white crime unfolds in full view of the nation, as it did in the parking lot of the Twin Peaks Restaurant on Sunday.

Yet white-on-white crime should be a huge concern -- because it’s out of control. Granted, there are 201 thugs off the streets for the time being, but what about the rest of them?

Around 83 percent of white victims in 2011 were murdered by other whites, based on the most recent FBI homicide data.

As many as 3,172 white people were killed in 2011 -- and 2,630 of them lost their lives at the hands of another white person. This is compared to 2,695 black people, 2,447 of whom were killed by another black person.

Whites lead when it comes to gang violence too: 53.3 percent of gang-related murders between 1980 and 2008 were committed by white people, according to the Justice Department, compared to 42.2 percent committed by blacks. Victims of gang-related violence were also mostly white.

It’s time for a national conversation on how we can help these people alleviate crime rates in their community -- I mean, where are the fathers? -- and it's time for responsible white Americans to step up and condemn the violence.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/18/waco-texas-biker-gang_n_7307050.html?utm_hp_ref=tw

It must be all that Sons of Anarchy they watch and Lynyrd Skynyrd and other rowdy beer music they listen to, poisoning their minds.

They're so racist they hate their own race!

Hey wait a minute, she called them thugs. That's racist!

Also, clearly all the bikers were white:
http://a57.foxnews.com/global.fncstatic.com/static/managed/img/fn2/video/876/493/051815_stegal_waco_640.jpg?ve=1&tl=1

Haven't read the rest of this thread yet, but I had to point out one glaring thing that just sort of jumped out at me from this article....

Direct quote:

"As many as 3,172 white people were killed in 2011 -- and 2,630 of them lost their lives at the hands of another white person. This is compared to 2,695 black people, 2,447 of whom were killed by another black person."

I'm not sure what point she was trying to make here. When you consider the total population distribution, America is only about 14% black. The numbers she posted show a much higher percentage of black deaths to white deaths, and an even higher percentage of blacks killing blacks than whites killing whites. From the tone of the article I thought she was trying to say that deadly white-on-white crime is more prevalent than deadly black-on-black crime...but then she posts data that says quite the opposite.

Either she is too stupid to understand that 3.2k isn't always greater than 2.7k, or she assumes her target audience is too stupid to understand the same. Either way, pretty bad.

[Candor]

(CNN) Texas law enforcement officials are investigating what they say are new threats against officers from biker gangs in the wake of a recent shootout in Waco.

Members of the Bandidos biker gang who are in the military "are supplying the gang with grenades and C4 explosives," according to a bulletin issued Thursday by the Texas Department of Public Safety and reviewed by CNN.

The bulletin warns of plots targeting high-ranking law enforcement officials and their families with car bombs. The bulletin is based on unsubstantiated information from an informant who claimed to have obtained it from Bandidos and Black Widows motorcycle gang members.

The Bandidos want to retaliate against police for shooting "their brothers" as they came out of the Twin Peaks restaurant, the bulletin says.

The gang has ordered a hit against Texas troopers and other officers, according to the bulletin. Among the threats are running over officers at traffic stops and the use of grenades and Molotov cocktails and firearms.

[Wrathbringer]

I don't even want to think...

I know I'm shocked.

[Gelston]

Terrorist threats. Call in the drones.

[Candor]

Terrorist threats. Call in the drones.

...with the Army to back them up.

[Androidpk]

The army is infiltrated by gang members.

[Astray]

"Oh that greenlight was a fake."

How would you like your crow?

[Androidpk]

With bacon and whipped butter on toasted ciabatta.

[Astray]

So... rolled in the dirt and stepped on. Got it.

[Androidpk]

Shut up Spacenerd

[Astray]

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[Ker_Thwap]

http://i.imgur.com/ejBLyRK.png

pk will never recover from this epic pwning.

[Latrinsorm]

Haven't read the rest of this thread yet, but I had to point out one glaring thing that just sort of jumped out at me from this article....

Direct quote:

"As many as 3,172 white people were killed in 2011 -- and 2,630 of them lost their lives at the hands of another white person. This is compared to 2,695 black people, 2,447 of whom were killed by another black person."

I'm not sure what point she was trying to make here. When you consider the total population distribution, America is only about 14% black. The numbers she posted show a much higher percentage of black deaths to white deaths, and an even higher percentage of blacks killing blacks than whites killing whites. From the tone of the article I thought she was trying to say that deadly white-on-white crime is more prevalent than deadly black-on-black crime...but then she posts data that says quite the opposite.

Either she is too stupid to understand that 3.2k isn't always greater than 2.7k, or she assumes her target audience is too stupid to understand the same. Either way, pretty bad.The point she's successfully making is not that the percentages are identical, but that the treatment of black-on-black crime (like the description of lawless blacks) is significantly different from the treatment of white-on-white crime (and the description of lawless whites) and that the numbers are too similar to explain that phenomenon.

[Tgo01]

The point she's successfully making is not that the percentages are identical, but that the treatment of black-on-black crime (like the description of lawless blacks) is significantly different from the treatment of white-on-white crime (and the description of lawless whites) and that the numbers are too similar to explain that phenomenon.

Except, as Thondalar already explained in plain English, the numbers are not similar at all.

What exactly is the description of "lawless whites" anyways? This should be good.

[Gelston]

Except, as Thondalar already explained in plain English, the numbers are not similar at all.

What exactly is the description of "lawless whites" anyways? This should be good.

Michael Jackson

[Tgo01]

Michael Jackson

Curses! Foiled again!

[Latrinsorm]

Except, as Thondalar already explained in plain English, the numbers are not similar at all.Oy.
What exactly is the description of "lawless whites" anyways? This should be good.Vey.

[Tgo01]

Oy.Vey.

Holy shit! I do believe this is the shortest post Latrin has ever posted in a political thread!

Everyone mark your calenders! The day Tgo01 owned Latrin so hard it rendered him near speechless!

[Tisket]

Holy shit! I do believe this is the shortest post Latrin has ever posted in a political thread!

Everyone mark your calenders! The day Tgo01 owned Latrin so hard it rendered him near speechless!

Latrinsorm has an autonomous reflex that kicks in and posts for him when he is owned by other posters. You can tell what posts are created this way by the difficulty one encounters when attempting to decipher meaning out of such posts.

[subzero]

Please don't smoke the constitution.

But we could roll one up in some Constitution-hemp-paper!


I wonder if Hispanic is considered white for the gang related percentages.


Black on white porn = interracial. Black/white on Asian/Hispanic... not so much.


Define "part". I'm 1/32nd Apache myself due to a ancestral Grandmother, but I almost never think about it.

My great-great-grandmother was full bloodied 'Merican Indjin. I don't qualify for casino money :(


The point she's successfully making is not that the percentages are identical, but that the treatment of black-on-black crime (like the description of lawless blacks) is significantly different from the treatment of white-on-white crime (and the description of lawless whites) and that the numbers are too similar to explain that phenomenon.

http://verastic.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Baltimore-Riots-2.jpg

https://tribwtic.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/biker-shooting-1.jpeg?w=770

These look exactly the same.

[Methais]

But we could roll one up in some Constitution-hemp-paper!



Black on white porn = interracial. Black/white on Asian/Hispanic... not so much.



My great-great-grandmother was full bloodied 'Merican Indjin. I don't qualify for casino money :(



http://verastic.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Baltimore-Riots-2.jpg

https://tribwtic.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/biker-shooting-1.jpeg?w=770

These look exactly the same.

I heard the Waco shooting was totally staged just so they could post pictures like that and talk about white people not rioting with cops because they're all racist.

[Latrinsorm]

These look exactly the same.You're a big fan of death tolls when it comes to comparing drugs. Would you care to compare the death tolls of the Baltimore (or Ferguson) riots and the Waco shootings?

[Wrathbringer]

You're a big fan of death tolls when it comes to comparing drugs. Would you care to compare the death tolls of the Baltimore (or Ferguson) riots and the Waco shootings?

I'm ready for Hillary, guys.

[Ker_Thwap]

You're a big fan of death tolls when it comes to comparing drugs. Would you care to compare the death tolls of the Baltimore (or Ferguson) riots and the Waco shootings?

Just for giggles, would you care to write that out as a logic equation?

[Latrinsorm]

Who can write equations describing the psychotic mind? This is a guy who thinks looking at a police officer constitutes thuggery (if not buggery), I'm just trying to put it in words his dope-amine-addled liberal brain can understand.

[Candor]

You're a big fan of death tolls when it comes to comparing drugs. Would you care to compare the death tolls of the Baltimore (or Ferguson) riots and the Waco shootings?

uh...9 (Waco) to 0 (Baltimore and Ferguson)?

[Latrinsorm]

THUGS

[Thondalar]

The point she's successfully making is not that the percentages are identical, but that the treatment of black-on-black crime (like the description of lawless blacks) is significantly different from the treatment of white-on-white crime (and the description of lawless whites) and that the numbers are too similar to explain that phenomenon.

Too similar? Are you even being serious right now? I thought you were a math guy.

[Thondalar]

Latrinsorm has an autonomous reflex that kicks in and posts for him when he is owned by other posters. You can tell what posts are created this way by the difficulty one encounters when attempting to decipher meaning out of such posts.

Nailed it.

[subzero]

You're a big fan of death tolls when it comes to comparing drugs. Would you care to compare the death tolls of the Baltimore (or Ferguson) riots and the Waco shootings?

This isn't about death toll. It's about how criminals are treated by police when the police are dealing with them.

[subzero]

Who can write equations describing the psychotic mind? This is a guy who thinks looking at a police officer constitutes thuggery (if not buggery), I'm just trying to put it in words his dope-amine-addled liberal brain can understand.

Oh, I just chose to not use one of the many pictures of many people smashing vehicles, looting stores, assaulting random people on the street, etc. I figured, in light of the rather calm scenario with the bikers all sitting down waiting for the handful of police to do their thing, that the picture of a group of people getting in the face of a lot of police decked in riot gear illustrated the contrast just fine. I can't figure out why the white people aren't being treated with hostility.

[Ker_Thwap]

Oh, I just chose to not use one of the many pictures of many people smashing vehicles, looting stores, assaulting random people on the street, etc. I figured, in light of the rather calm scenario with the bikers all sitting down waiting for the handful of police to do their thing, that the picture of a group of people getting in the face of a lot of police decked in riot gear illustrated the contrast just fine. I can't figure out why the white people aren't being treated with hostility.

It's because fat people are jolly.

[Thondalar]

Oh, I just chose to not use one of the many pictures of many people smashing vehicles, looting stores, assaulting random people on the street, etc. I figured, in light of the rather calm scenario with the bikers all sitting down waiting for the handful of police to do their thing, that the picture of a group of people getting in the face of a lot of police decked in riot gear illustrated the contrast just fine. I can't figure out why the white people aren't being treated with hostility.

This is actually a rather interesting point. Humans generally fear the unknown...ignorance is the driving force behind most of our irrational behavior.

When you have a localized incident with a clear purpose, containment is easier than when you have a general incident with an ongoing, seemingly random purpose. In the case of the biker shootings, the cops already knew what was going on, and were able to respond specifically to that event. In the cases of Baltimore and Ferguson they didn't have that clear scenario...they had relatively random criminal acts going on across multiple areas. Having worked in law enforcement myself, I understand perfectly the different dynamics...logic would be a good tool for the rest of you.

[Gelston]

The cops also had fully automatic weapons. They could have laud waste to everyone there.

[subzero]

It's because fat people are jolly.

I believe you may be correct.

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/0628/nfl_i_rexryan_cmg_300.jpg agrees.

[Ker_Thwap]

This is actually a rather interesting point. Humans generally fear the unknown...ignorance is the driving force behind most of our irrational behavior.

When you have a localized incident with a clear purpose, containment is easier than when you have a general incident with an ongoing, seemingly random purpose. In the case of the biker shootings, the cops already knew what was going on, and were able to respond specifically to that event. In the cases of Baltimore and Ferguson they didn't have that clear scenario...they had relatively random criminal acts going on across multiple areas. Having worked in law enforcement myself, I understand perfectly the different dynamics...logic would be a good tool for the rest of you.

This is why I put my hands on the steering wheel when I get pulled over. The problem is... if they fear the unknown, as in an unhappy black man's face... how does that unhappy black man, put his figurative face on the steering wheel to calm down the cop?

[Thondalar]

This is why I put my hands on the steering wheel when I get pulled over. The problem is... if they fear the unknown, as in an unhappy black man's face... how does that unhappy black man, put his figurative face on the steering wheel to calm down the cop?

Er...what?


Edit: wait wait...I think I finally got it...hey, I'm not black, I can't say for sure...but what I DO know is...looting local businesses and burning down your own neighborhoods isn't a very productive manner of discourse.

[subzero]

This is actually a rather interesting point. Humans generally fear the unknown...ignorance is the driving force behind most of our irrational behavior.

When you have a localized incident with a clear purpose, containment is easier than when you have a general incident with an ongoing, seemingly random purpose. In the case of the biker shootings, the cops already knew what was going on, and were able to respond specifically to that event. In the cases of Baltimore and Ferguson they didn't have that clear scenario...they had relatively random criminal acts going on across multiple areas. Having worked in law enforcement myself, I understand perfectly the different dynamics...logic would be a good tool for the rest of you.

Uh. Knowing what they were getting into wouldn't have meant a goddamn thing if those guys all started opening fire on the cops and running around smashing shit. If the bikers would have gone ape-shit (yeah, racist monkey joke/pun), I'm sure they'd have been treated in a different manner. The expected situation could have very quickly and easily unraveled into the unknown. The major difference here is that in one scenario we have people complying with the police and in the other they're not only refusing to comply with police, but are irregarding all law and respect for other people and their property.

[Thondalar]

Uh. Knowing what they were getting into wouldn't have meant a goddamn thing if those guys all started opening fire on the cops and running around smashing shit. If the bikers would have gone ape-shit (yeah, racist monkey joke/pun), I'm sure they'd have been treated in a different manner. The expected situation could have very quickly and easily unraveled into the unknown. The major difference here is that in one scenario we have people complying with the police and in the other they're not only refusing to comply with police, but are irregarding all law and respect for other people and their property.

You do realize I'm on your side, right? Read a little further into what I said...in the biker scenario, you had a single event that was finished almost as soon as it started. There is talk now of repercussions after the fact and whatnot, but that's wholly different from an ongoing, generalized "social uprising" over an entire area. The cops in Texas didn't NEED to roll in like Storm Troopers because the event was contained to the specific area where it happened, and it was over almost as soon as it happened. Ferguson and Baltimore were powder kegs of unknown severity with variable fuses. The only reasonable response was the greatest one possible, "just in case".

[Ker_Thwap]

Er...what?


Edit: wait wait...I think I finally got it...hey, I'm not black, I can't say for sure...but what I DO know is...looting local businesses and burning down your own neighborhoods isn't a very productive manner of discourse.

No shit, really? I was addressing your statement and agreeing with you that a lot of the problem is when people feel threatened by the unknown. It's fairly easy for me to be non threatening within my little sphere of the world. I just sit back, and relax and everyone ignores me. I never suggested that looting and burning was overly productive.

I suggested that when people are threatened by stupid fucking things, then they might react poorly. Case in point, people who were threatened because a 14 year old girl didn't stand for the pledge of the allegiance. That's a stupid fucking thing to feel threatened over.

[subzero]

You do realize I'm on your side, right? Read a little further into what I said...in the biker scenario, you had a single event that was finished almost as soon as it started. There is talk now of repercussions after the fact and whatnot, but that's wholly different from an ongoing, generalized "social uprising" over an entire area. The cops in Texas didn't NEED to roll in like Storm Troopers because the event was contained to the specific area where it happened, and it was over almost as soon as it happened. Ferguson and Baltimore were powder kegs of unknown severity with variable fuses. The only reasonable response was the greatest one possible, "just in case".

Sorry, I'm in a foul mood after farting several times this evening and no one acknowledging it. Sometimes having that gas inside can be painful and going through the process of expelling it is something I feel more people should not only encourage, but be polite about when they do.

[Wrathbringer]

Sorry, I'm in a foul mood after farting several times this evening and no one acknowledging it. Sometimes having that gas inside can be painful and going through the process of expelling it is something I feel more people should not only encourage, but be polite about when they do.

Qft.

[Tisket]

Sorry, I'm in a foul mood after farting several times this evening and no one acknowledging it.

Most people do acknowledge it. Or didn't you notice the rolled eyes, held breath, and possible gagging?

It's really a bad analogy by the way.

[subzero]

Most people do acknowledge it. Or didn't you notice the rolled eyes, held breath, and possible gagging?

It's really a bad analogy by the way.

But why be rude about it? My pains are much more real than some demon or spirit.

[Latrinsorm]

Too similar? Are you even being serious right now? I thought you were a math guy.Too similar to explain that phenomenon. The difference in intraracial crime is about 8%, the difference in coverage is undefined because one cannot divide by zero.
This is actually a rather interesting point. Humans generally fear the unknown...ignorance is the driving force behind most of our irrational behavior. When you have a localized incident with a clear purpose, containment is easier than when you have a general incident with an ongoing, seemingly random purpose. In the case of the biker shootings, the cops already knew what was going on, and were able to respond specifically to that event. In the cases of Baltimore and Ferguson they didn't have that clear scenario...they had relatively random criminal acts going on across multiple areas. Having worked in law enforcement myself, I understand perfectly the different dynamics...logic would be a good tool for the rest of you.Okay, let's use logic. Gangs in Texas have issued an order for their members to engage in relatively random criminal acts in multiple areas; specifically, murdering police. We can be reasonably sure the danger is legitimate because these gangs just murdered nine people. Has a curfew been declared in Texas? Has the National Guard been deployed? What happened to "just in case"? You're treating the people who might be dangerous with more suspicion than the people who have demonstrated themselves as armed and dangerous AND have specifically threatened you with violence. Tell me again about how logical you're being.
Oh, I just chose to not use one of the many pictures of many people smashing vehicles, looting stores, assaulting random people on the street, etc. I figured, in light of the rather calm scenario with the bikers all sitting down waiting for the handful of police to do their thing, that the picture of a group of people getting in the face of a lot of police decked in riot gear illustrated the contrast just fine. I can't figure out why the white people aren't being treated with hostility.What's worse, smashing vehicles or murdering nine people? Looting stores or murdering nine people? Assaulting people or murdering people?

[Tgo01]

Too similar to explain that phenomenon. The difference in intraracial crime is about 8%, the difference in coverage is undefined because one cannot divide by zero.Okay, let's use logic. Gangs in Texas have issued an order for their members to engage in relatively random criminal acts in multiple areas; specifically, murdering police. We can be reasonably sure the danger is legitimate because these gangs just murdered nine people. Has a curfew been declared in Texas? Has the National Guard been deployed? What happened to "just in case"? You're treating the people who might be dangerous with more suspicion than the people who have demonstrated themselves as armed and dangerous AND have specifically threatened you with violence. Tell me again about how logical you're being.What's worse, smashing vehicles or murdering nine people? Looting stores or murdering nine people? Assaulting people or murdering people?

You're horrible at this. You're comparing a situation in which a crime has already happened and is over with to a situation in which lawless behavior is rampant and ongoing and has been going on for over several days.

You think they deploy the national guard and institute a curfew every time a crime happens? Oh but wait! They did when blacks were looting and rioting for several days in row! Surely it's because they're racist!

[Latrinsorm]

You're horrible at this. You're comparing a situation in which a crime has already happened and is over with to a situation in which lawless behavior is rampant and ongoing and has been going on for over several days.I'm comparing a situation where mass murder (but definitely NOT terrorism) happened and threats were made of further murder (again, DEFINITELY NOT terrorism) to a situation where nobody was murdered.
You think they deploy the national guard and institute a curfew every time a crime happens? Oh but wait! They did when blacks were looting and rioting for several days in row! Surely it's because they're racist!"The only reasonable response was the greatest one possible, just in case."
I don't think even Boston declared a curfew after the Boston marathon bombing.Boston in fact declared a "shelter in place" order, which is like a curfew except it has no specified schedule.

0 for 3, Terry. Better grab some pine before you end up with a golden sombrero.

[Tgo01]

I'm comparing a situation where mass murder (but definitely NOT terrorism) happened and threats were made of further murder (again, DEFINITELY NOT terrorism) to a situation where nobody was murdered.

Exactly. You're comparing threats to actual crime happening in real time, in real life. Yes. Thank you. You have lost this argument. Do not pass Go. Do no collect 200 dollars.


"The only reasonable response was the greatest one possible, just in case."

K. Wait, what?


Boston in fact declared a "shelter in place" order, which is like a curfew except it has no specified schedule.

I deleted that part of my post because I knew you were going to pounce on it like a rabid jackal and I was trying to save you some embarrassment. But you decided to embarrass yourself anyways so I must follow through, I hope you're happy :(

A voluntary "shelter in place" is not the same as a mandated curfew. The shelter in place was requested 4 days AFTER the bombing. The shelter in place was requested for people's protection from a possible terrorist on the loose who had blown people up, stole a car, killed an officer, and ran over his own brother. The shelter was not requested in response to ongoing lawless behavior by a rather sizable group of people.

[subzero]

What's worse, smashing vehicles or murdering nine people? Looting stores or murdering nine people? Assaulting people or murdering people?

Oh, I agree that murder is worse. I do, however, believe the participants were all there of their own free will. They elected to put themselves in a situation in which they knew they might get injured or killed. The people running amuck in other areas, however, are taking their ignorance out on innocent people and their property.

So, to summarize: Sorry 'bout the people's luck who put themselves in a gang shootout and got shot, but they did it to themselves. If I had to choose one of the events to take place, I'd choose the idiots shooting themselves over random chaos.

[Wrathbringer]

Oh, I agree that murder is worse. I do, however, believe the participants were all there of their own free will. They elected to put themselves in a situation in which they knew they might get injured or killed. The people running amuck in other areas, however, are taking their ignorance out on innocent people and their property.

So, to summarize: Sorry 'bout the people's luck who put themselves in a gang shootout and got shot, but they did it to themselves. If I had to choose one of the events to take place, I'd choose the idiots shooting themselves over random chaos.

I have no idea why we haven't banned motorcycles by now. They're just gang gateways.

[Androidpk]

I have no idea why we haven't banned motorcycles by now. They're just gang gateways.

Let's be moderate here and just ban leather jackets. No cut, no MC.

[Wrathbringer]

Let's be moderate here and just ban leather jackets. No cut, no MC.

I'm not convinced. The evidence is pretty plain: Every time there is biker gang violence, what do you see there? Motorcycles. Coincidence?

Edit: Still not convinced? Ever seen any pictures of Sir Isaac Newton, Pythagoras or Galileo on a motorcycle? I rest my case.

[Androidpk]

I'm not convinced. The evidence is pretty plain: Every time there is biker gang violence, what do you see there? Motorcycles. Coincidence?

Edit: Still not convinced? Ever seen any pictures of Sir Isaac Newton, Pythagoras or Galileo on a motorcycle? I rest my case.

What kind of motorcycles do we see? And what kind of leather jackets are worn? Black ones.

[subzero]

I have no idea why we haven't banned motorcycles by now. They're just gang gateways.

Probably a good idea. We'd need to also outlaw the little bike (the ones you pedal) motors so they couldn't default back to those things once all the black death-cycles are gone.

[Latrinsorm]

Exactly. You're comparing threats to actual crime happening in real time, in real life. Yes. Thank you. You have lost this argument. Do not pass Go. Do no collect 200 dollars.You are mistaken about the facts of the matter.
K. Wait, what?In this case I was quoting Thondalar.
I deleted that part of my post because I knew you were going to pounce on it like a rabid jackal and I was trying to save you some embarrassment. But you decided to embarrass yourself anyways so I must follow through, I hope you're happy :( A voluntary "shelter in place" is not the same as a mandated curfew. The shelter in place was requested 4 days AFTER the bombing. The shelter in place was requested for people's protection from a possible terrorist on the loose who had blown people up, stole a car, killed an officer, and ran over his own brother. The shelter was not requested in response to ongoing lawless behavior by a rather sizable group of people.You are mistaken about the facts of the matter.

[Tgo01]

You are mistaken about the facts of the matter.

No.


In this case I was quoting Thondalar.

Thondalar said that every time a crime is committed "The only reasonable response was the greatest one possible, just in case."?


You are mistaken about the facts of the matter.

No.

[Wrathbringer]

What kind of motorcycles do we see? And what kind of leather jackets are worn? Black ones.

Well that's just racist.