Iran and Hezbollah no longer a threat to American interests

[Jarvan]

Apparently they no longer pose a threat to us.

So our government removed them from the terror threat list....

once again..

Our Government removed IRAN and HEZBOLLAH from the terror threat list.

Their reasoning... according to one report...

It was a formatting error.

By the way.. the report still lists them as a state sponsor of Terrorism.

http://www.newsweek.com/iran-and-hezbollah-omitted-us-terror-threat-list-amid-nuclear-talks-314073

So.. just got to wonder.. HOW much are we going to give Iran? What won't appear in the "deal" Obama is working on that we will never see?

Maybe Obama will just hand over a few W88's?

Very interesting that this happens in the middle of negotiations... negotiations with a terrorist state that has killed a lot of our soldiers.

[Androidpk]

We cut them slack on sanctions and they help fight Sunni extremists. Win win for everyone.

[Back]

Yeah. Just how are we supposed to justify spending 10x more than the rest of the world combined on weapons with taxpayer dollars if we are going to go around using diplomacy to end conflicts?

[Parkbandit]

Yeah. Just how are we supposed to justify spending 10x more than the rest of the world combined on weapons with taxpayer dollars if we are going to go around using diplomacy to end conflicts?

I agree. We negotiated Iran away from terrorism and nuclear weapons and now they are on the right path.

So fucking easy. We should do this with North Korea next.

[Androidpk]

I agree. We negotiated Iran away from terrorism and nuclear weapons and now they are on the right path.

So fucking easy. We should do this with North Korea next.

I'm not sure if China would like that.

[Parkbandit]

I'm not sure if China would like that.

We should also get Obama to negotiate with China. Fix the pollution and human rights issues overnight!

[Tgo01]

Yeah. Just how are we supposed to justify spending 10x more than the rest of the world combined on weapons with taxpayer dollars if we are going to go around using diplomacy to end conflicts?

Finally Back starts making sense!

[Jarvan]

We cut them slack on sanctions and they help fight Sunni extremists. Win win for everyone.

LOL. Lose lose for everyone you mean. it's ok, we know you still have a Hard on for Tehran.


Yeah. Just how are we supposed to justify spending 10x more than the rest of the world combined on weapons with taxpayer dollars if we are going to go around using diplomacy to end conflicts?

LOL. Like anything Obama.. or ANY US President does would end the conflict with Iran.

[Androidpk]

LOL. Lose lose for everyone you mean. it's ok, we know you still have a Hard on for Tehran.



LOL. Like anything Obama.. or ANY US President does would end the conflict with Iran.

Favoring diplomacy doesn't mean I have a hard on for Iran. Besides, it isn't like this is the first time we've engaged in diplomacy with those that were once our enemies. General Petraeus helped to make peace with Sunni militias in Iraq that we had been engaged in combat with, to great success. I see no problem with aligning with Iran as well.

[Tgo01]

Favoring diplomacy doesn't mean I have a hard on for Iran. Besides, it isn't like this is the first time we've engaged in diplomacy with those that were once our enemies. General Petraeus helped to make peace with Sunni militias in Iraq that we had been engaged in combat with, to great success. I see no problem with aligning with Iran as well.

You're right, engaging in diplomacy isn't necessarily a bad thing, it's Obama's fucking ineptness that pisses me off. Remember the whole "Russia reset button" bullshit? Obama scrapped the missile defense system in Europe for...what was that again? Oh yeah, absolutely jack shit in return from Russia.

And now we are taking Iran off the terror list, why again? What are we getting in return? Oh yeah, so Obama won't look like he's negotiating with a terrorist state and lemmings such as yourself fall for the shit.

[Tgo01]

You're right, engaging in diplomacy isn't necessarily a bad thing, it's Obama's fucking ineptness that pisses me off. Remember the whole "Russia reset button" bullshit? Obama scrapped the missile defense system in Europe for...what was that again? Oh yeah, absolutely jack shit in return from Russia.

And now we are taking Iran off the terror list, why again? What are we getting in return? Oh yeah, so Obama won't look like he's negotiating with a terrorist state and lemmings such as yourself fall for the shit.

Talking about lifting sanctions from Cuba, a good thing, right? Did Obama publicly declare any specific demands? No. In fact Cuba took a cue from Obama's weakness and demanded money from the hardship the sanctions put on Cuba.

Humanizing the piece of shit Chavez, again, what did Obama gain from that? Oh right, a couple of years later Chavez was accusing Obama of giving him and other Latin country leaders cancer.

Way to go, Obama! You've managed to fuck up just about every international topic you dared to dive into, but it's okay! pk has your back on the Iran issue! Clearly you're golden.

[Androidpk]

You're right, engaging in diplomacy isn't necessarily a bad thing, it's Obama's fucking ineptness that pisses me off. Remember the whole "Russia reset button" bullshit? Obama scrapped the missile defense system in Europe for...what was that again? Oh yeah, absolutely jack shit in return from Russia.

And now we are taking Iran off the terror list, why again? What are we getting in return? Oh yeah, so Obama won't look like he's negotiating with a terrorist state and lemmings such as yourself fall for the shit.

The only thing scrapped was the long range missile interceptors. Poland is still getting short and medium range interceptors and there will be Aegis systems placed in the Mediterranean and elsewhere.

[Androidpk]

Talking about lifting sanctions from Cuba, a good thing, right? Did Obama publicly declare any specific demands? No. In fact Cuba took a cue from Obama's weakness and demanded money from the hardship the sanctions put on Cuba.

Humanizing the piece of shit Chavez, again, what did Obama gain from that? Oh right, a couple of years later Chavez was accusing Obama of giving him and other Latin country leaders cancer.

Way to go, Obama! You've managed to fuck up just about every international topic you dared to dive into, but it's okay! pk has your back on the Iran issue! Clearly you're golden.

Why would he make public demands? It wasn't disclosed until after the fact. As for what we got out of it we got a top level intelligence asset back and now US companies are free to do business in Cuba.

[Tgo01]

The only thing scrapped was the long range missile interceptors. Poland is still getting short and medium range interceptors and there will be Aegis systems placed in the Mediterranean and elsewhere.

And what did Russia give us in return...?


Why would he make public demands?

Why wouldn't he?


now US companies are free to do business in Cuba.

Holy shit! Our GDP is going to triple in 4 years now! I love how you think this is CUBA giving US something.

Are you on drugs right now?

[Gelston]

Funny thing. So, ESO is B2P now. They raised the ESO plus prices on Russians. So many whines from Russians players about not being able to afford. it. Boofucking hoo.

[Tgo01]

Funny thing. So, ESO is B2P now. They raised the ESO plus prices on Russians. So many whines from Russians players about not being able to afford. it. Boofucking hoo.

Ah ha! Maybe I didn't give Obama enough credit; he's getting Russian gamers pissed off at Putin, clearly a segment of the population no one wants to piss off.

Kudos, Obama. Kudos.

[Gelston]

Ah ha! Maybe I didn't give Obama enough credit; he's getting Russian gamers pissed off at Putin, clearly a segment of the population no one wants to piss off.

Kudos, Obama. Kudos.

They aren't quite blaming Putin yet... Soon. Soon. They are blaming the west, even though the illegally invaded a country and annexed land from it.

Let them suffer from it a little more. They'll blame him eventually.

[Gelston]

Generally their responses when that is brought up is "OMG US led NATO is at fault!!!!!" Even though they bitch about the prices they pay for playing a game based in the US. Silly Russians.

[Androidpk]

And what did Russia give us in return...?



Why wouldn't he?



Holy shit! Our GDP is going to triple in 4 years now! I love how you think this is CUBA giving US something.

Are you on drugs right now?

Way to cherry pick.

[Tgo01]

Let them suffer from it a little more. They'll blame him eventually.

At this rate Obama is going to lift the sanctions from Russia for no reason and demand nothing in return. Obama will fold.


Generally their responses when that is brought up is "OMG US led NATO is at fault!!!!!" Even though they bitch about the prices they pay for playing a game based in the US. Silly Russians.

Russians never learn.

USA! USA! USA!

[Tgo01]

Way to cherry pick.

Yes, I responded to the parts I clearly disagreed with. Do you need a pat on the back for something I possibly agree with?

[Androidpk]

And why would we get concessions from Russia for replacing our initial missile defense system for a better one? That makes zero sense at all.

[Gelston]

And why would we get concessions from Russia for replacing our initial missile defense system for a better one? That makes zero sense at all.

Because we can hit them and they can't hit us.

[Tgo01]

And why would we get concessions from Russia for replacing our initial missile defense system for a better one? That makes zero sense at all.

What are you talking about? Russia loved the move, Putin almost had a Chernobyl accident of his own in his pants upon hearing the news. Why was Russia so happy that the US scrapped missile defense plans in favor of better missile defense plans?

[Androidpk]

What are you talking about? Russia loved the move, Putin almost had a Chernobyl accident of his own in his pants upon hearing the news. Why was Russia so happy that the US scrapped missile defense plans in favor of better missile defense plans?

Russia was not happy about it and they're still criticizing the deal.

[Gelston]

Russia was not happy about it and they're still criticizing the deal.

Good. I hope Russia is never happy again. They are bitches to the world again. They shouldn't even be considered a superpower anymore. They are back in their preWW2 state. Bitches.

Really, what can they do? They can't take on the EU, they can't fuck with NATO, the can't fuck with the US. China even has our back against them, because, economically, we are better friends. Russia is a dying country.

[Androidpk]

The only reason why they are even relevant is because they have nukes and oil/natural gas.

[Gelston]

The only reason why they are even relevant is because they have nukes and oil/natural gas.

And those two reasons are becoming less relevant.

[Androidpk]

The latter, sure, but the nukes? As long as they main control over them it will always be a relevant factor.

[Candor]

I cannot express just how glad I am that a President is limited to two terms in office. Less than two years to go...I need to get the exact date of the next inauguration in January 2017 and start counting down.

[Gelston]

The latter, sure, but the nukes? As long as they main control over them it will always be a relevant factor.

Even the nukes. We can shoot ICBMs down with what the US Government HAS shown us. The rate is pretty damn good. I imagine it is far better than that.

[ZeP]

And those two reasons are becoming less relevant.


Good. I hope Russia is never happy again. They are bitches to the world again. They shouldn't even be considered a superpower anymore. They are back in their preWW2 state. Bitches.

Really, what can they do? They can't take on the EU, they can't fuck with NATO, the can't fuck with the US. China even has our back against them, because, economically, we are better friends. Russia is a dying country.

They just took more land a year ago and nobody did a damn thing about it. You are not a smart person.

[Androidpk]

Even the nukes. We can shoot ICBMs down with what the US Government HAS shown us. The rate is pretty damn good. I imagine it is far better than that.

I wouldn't bet the farm on that. Not only is it not 100% reliable there are noticeable gaps in our existing missile shield, CONUS wise.

[Gelston]

I wouldn't bet the farm on that. Not only is it not 100% reliable there are noticeable gaps in our existing missile shield, CONUS wise.

Yeah, that is only shit that is said by the US Government. I bet they say that to comfort Russia. So they think they have a chance to hit us.

Also, LOL This message is hidden because ZeP is on your ignore list.

[ZeP]

Also, LOL This message is hidden because ZeP is on your ignore list.

Hahahaha oh my god what a pussy.

VICTORY

[Gelston]

This message is hidden because ZeP is on your ignore list.

[Androidpk]

If they were dead set against hitting the US with a nuke it would happen.

[Gelston]

If they were dead set against hitting the US with a nuke it would happen.

Sure it would. I bet we'd hit them with a lot more and be in a lot better shape though.

It used to be about MAD... Now it is more... You hit us and wipe out one or two of our cities, but your country is gone.

[Jarvan]

I cannot express just how glad I am that a President is limited to two terms in office. Less than two years to go...I need to get the exact date of the next inauguration in January 2017 and start counting down.

January 20th, 2017.

Have had it on my calendar for awhile now. I have a nuke mushroom cloud sticker for Hillary if she wins, and sad clown face sticker with a tear if a shitty repub wins.

[Jarvan]

Sure it would. I bet we'd hit them with a lot more and be in a lot better shape though.

It used to be about MAD... Now it is more... You hit us and wipe out one or two of our cities, but your country is gone.

Well.. they wouldn't be gone if Obama was President while it happened.

He would likely announce that the attacks were due to American Aggressiveness in the USSR.. I mean Soviet Region. That these attacks are not their fault, and we can't hurt people that were only defending themselves.

Then he would lift sanctions on them, and give them Ukraine and the Baltic states.

[Parkbandit]

You're right, engaging in diplomacy isn't necessarily a bad thing, it's Obama's fucking ineptness that pisses me off. Remember the whole "Russia reset button" bullshit? Obama scrapped the missile defense system in Europe for...what was that again? Oh yeah, absolutely jack shit in return from Russia.

And now we are taking Iran off the terror list, why again? What are we getting in return? Oh yeah, so Obama won't look like he's negotiating with a terrorist state and lemmings such as yourself fall for the shit.

I wouldn't let Obama negotiate my next used car purchase. I'd be afraid to pay more than the dealer is asking.

[Wrathbringer]

You're right, engaging in diplomacy isn't necessarily a bad thing, it's Obama's fucking ineptness that pisses me off. Remember the whole "Russia reset button" bullshit? Obama scrapped the missile defense system in Europe for...what was that again? Oh yeah, absolutely jack shit in return from Russia.

And now we are taking Iran off the terror list, why again? What are we getting in return? Oh yeah, so Obama won't look like he's negotiating with a terrorist state and lemmings such as yourself fall for the shit.

Remember that microphone left on snafu where Obummer told Putin he'd "have a little more flexibility after the election"? Mmhm.

[Atlanteax]

Remember that microphone left on snafu where Obummer told Putin he'd "have a little more flexibility after the election"? Mmhm.

Putin lost all respect for Obama after that. Btw, he was addressing Medvedev who indicated that he would relay it to Putin.

Hence the "we'll invade Ukraine, Obama will blink (again) just like with Syria!!"

[Jarvan]

Putin lost all respect for Obama after that. Btw, he was addressing Medvedev who indicated that he would relay it to Putin.

Hence the "we'll invade Ukraine, Obama will blink (again) just like with Syria!!"

Not to mention lift sanctions on Iran so Russian can dump tons of money and weapons into them again.

[Warriorbird]

Bush totally made Russia stop invading a country I hear.

[Androidpk]

Bush totally made Russia stop invading a country I hear.

Stop trying to ruin Jarvan's narrative!

[Jarvan]

Bush totally made Russia stop invading a country I hear.

Bush failed in a number of things. North Korea and Russia are just 2.

Kinda funny tho... Obama wants to be SOOOOOO different then Bush..

Yet he is allowing Russia to invade another country (Like Bush) and will practically give nukes to Iran (Like Bush let North Korea get them).

GG Obama.. GG.

[Androidpk]

Bush failed in a number of things. North Korea and Russia are just 2.

Kinda funny tho... Obama wants to be SOOOOOO different then Bush..

Yet he is allowing Russia to invade another country (Like Bush) and will practically give nukes to Iran (Like Bush let North Korea get them).

GG Obama.. GG.

What more do you want Obama to do in regards to Russia? Attack them?

[Jarvan]

What more do you want Obama to do in regards to Russia? Attack them?

I am sure there are a lot of things we can do other then "Sanctions" and "Attack".

I know Ukraine said no to NATO, for now. But that doesn't mean that we couldn't offer NATO troops to help keep the peace. I seriously doubt even Putin would attack NATO troops.

But wait.. I know.. that would be "Boots on the Ground" and you hate that.


I have been wondering something.... you claim to have done multiple tours in the middle east. Do you personally know of anyone killed or maimed by insurgents, or IEDs?

[Latrinsorm]

Jesus Christ, Jarvan.

[Wrathbringer]

Jesus Christ, Jarvan.

lol'd

[Androidpk]

I am sure there are a lot of things we can do other then "Sanctions" and "Attack".

I know Ukraine said no to NATO, for now. But that doesn't mean that we couldn't offer NATO troops to help keep the peace. I seriously doubt even Putin would attack NATO troops.

But wait.. I know.. that would be "Boots on the Ground" and you hate that.


I have been wondering something.... you claim to have done multiple tours in the middle east. Do you personally know of anyone killed or maimed by insurgents, or IEDs?

Sanctions alone usually aren't enough but that doesn't mean they can't be effective. Russia has lost hundreds of billions of dollars between sanctions and the falling price of oil.

I have never said I'm against boots on the ground. I don't think the US needs to be involved in another land war in Iraq but that doesn't mean I'm against using troops when it is necessary. As it is now US troops and heavy equipment are being placed in eastern Europe and we have advisors in Ukraine. We're also increasing military training with our European counterparts.

I have never said I did multiple tours. I did one, Qatar in 2004. I don't know anyone personally that was injured though I have seen results of an insurgent attack. A cargo plane departing Baghdad airport for Al Udeid was shot up pretty badly. Killed 7 soldiers on board.

[Jarvan]

Sanctions alone usually aren't enough but that doesn't mean they can't be effective. Russia has lost hundreds of billions of dollars between sanctions and the falling price of oil.

I have never said I'm against boots on the ground. I don't think the US needs to be involved in another land war in Iraq but that doesn't mean I'm against using troops when it is necessary. As it is now US troops and heavy equipment are being placed in eastern Europe and we have advisors in Ukraine. We're also increasing military training with our European counterparts.

I have never said I did multiple tours. I did one, Qatar in 2004. I don't know anyone personally that was injured though I have seen results of an insurgent attack. A cargo plane departing Baghdad airport for Al Udeid was shot up pretty badly. Killed 7 soldiers on board.

Hmm.. could have sworn you said you were part of two different operations..

That said.. it seems odd that you are perfectly ok with our country treating the people that wounded and killed many of our soldiers as our greatest friend on earth.

"Oh, you want off the Terror list... done."

"oh, you want sanctions lifted... sure"

"oh.. you want to be able to get your own nukes... ok"

"Oh.. you want to control Iraq militarily.. I am fine with that"

GG PK.. GG.


As for Advisers in Ukraine.. if they are Obama advisers.. they will be advising them to "take it up the ass, cause we won't help you"

[Jarvan]

Sanctions alone usually aren't enough but that doesn't mean they can't be effective. Russia has lost hundreds of billions of dollars between sanctions and the falling price of oil.

I have never said I'm against boots on the ground. I don't think the US needs to be involved in another land war in Iraq but that doesn't mean I'm against using troops when it is necessary. As it is now US troops and heavy equipment are being placed in eastern Europe and we have advisors in Ukraine. We're also increasing military training with our European counterparts.

I have never said I did multiple tours. I did one, Qatar in 2004. I don't know anyone personally that was injured though I have seen results of an insurgent attack. A cargo plane departing Baghdad airport for Al Udeid was shot up pretty badly. Killed 7 soldiers on board.

Just curious... was this the Iraq Ambassador to Qatar?


I've lived in the Middle East, I've taken numerous courses in geopolitics and international relations, I've even spent some time in the Iraqi embassy, talking to the Iraqi ambassador (about Iran no less,) so I'm quite certain I have a stronger grasp of what is going on over there than you, Mr. Armchair General.

Or are you suddenly someone so important you spend all your outside your room time.. which we have determined is 20% of your day... in the Iraq Embassy in DC.

[Jarvan]

Jesus Christ, Jarvan.

No.. but some people do tend to get them confused.

[Androidpk]

Hmm.. could have sworn you said you were part of two different operations..

That said.. it seems odd that you are perfectly ok with our country treating the people that wounded and killed many of our soldiers as our greatest friend on earth.

"Oh, you want off the Terror list... done."

"oh, you want sanctions lifted... sure"

"oh.. you want to be able to get your own nukes... ok"

"Oh.. you want to control Iraq militarily.. I am fine with that"

GG PK.. GG.


As for Advisers in Ukraine.. if they are Obama advisers.. they will be advising them to "take it up the ass, cause we won't help you"

I was. Al Udeid, in Qatar, hosts the forward operating headquarters for CENTCOM. I was a part of both operation Iraqi Freedom and Enduring Freedom.

Diplomacy =! best friends. As I said before this wouldn't be the first time we've made deals with people we were previously engaged in combat against. We did it in Iraq with Muqtada al-Sadr and his Sunni fighters.

[Jarvan]

I was. Al Udeid, in Qatar, hosts the forward operating headquarters for CENTCOM. I was a part of both operation Iraqi Freedom and Enduring Freedom.

Diplomacy =! best friends. As I said before this wouldn't be the first time we've made deals with people we were previously engaged in combat against. We did it in Iraq with Muqtada al-Sadr and his Sunni fighters.

Well, it would be the first time we gave away the farm to a terrorist state just so a couple of asshole politicians can claim to have done something good.

Tho.. I forgot.. you believe that Iran Doesn't want a nuke, has no intentions of expanding beyond their borders.. and have changed their ways.

because you supposedly spoke to an Iraqi Ambassador and lived in Qatar.

[Androidpk]

Just curious... was this the Iraq Ambassador to Qatar?



Or are you suddenly someone so important you spend all your outside your room time.. which we have determined is 20% of your day... in the Iraq Embassy in DC.

It was the Iraqi ambassador to the US and it was in the Iraqi embassy in DC.

[Androidpk]

Oh and the advisors in Ukraine are from the 173rd airborne brigade. 6 companies worth.

[Jarvan]

It was the Iraqi ambassador to tbe US and it was in the Iraqi embassy in DC.

Un huh. Personally invited to a party there huh? or did you just stroll in to discuss world politics?

I mean.. I know this is the internet and all, but you could at least try harder.

[Androidpk]

Un huh. Personally invited to a party there huh? or did you just stroll in to discuss world politics?

I mean.. I know this is the internet and all, but you could at least try harder.

What am I supposed to be trying harder at exactly? I went there with other academics and students as part of a program hosted by the Washington Center.