Obama asks secdef Hagel to resign

[Androidpk]

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/24/politics/defense-secretary-hagel-to-step-down/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

I was wondering when this would happen.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Obama will be challenged to find someone who agrees with him from the military. His ego just can't take being criticized or disagreed with - good luck finding someone with any real military background who does that.

[Androidpk]

Obama will be challenged to find someone who agrees with him from the military. His ego just can't take being criticized or disagreed with - good luck finding someone with any real military background who does that.

It's a civilian position.

[Back]

Secdef? Who are you, Jimmy Fallon?

[Androidpk]

Secdef? Who are you, Jimmy Fallon?

What?

[Latrinsorm]

What?What's on CBS?

I don't know.

Neither does anyone else BOOOOOOOOOOM.

[Gelston]

It's a civilian position.

It is a civilian position, but it generally helps to have military experience. Still, there have been 6 holders that never served. The most recent being William Cohen under Clinton, and Dick Cheney under H.W. Bush.

[Androidpk]

It is a civilian position, but it generally helps to have military experience. Still, there have been 6 holders that never served. The most recent being William Cohen under Clinton, and Dick Cheney under H.W. Bush.

True. Not all who served though served extensively. Leon Panetta was only in the army for 2 years.

[Androidpk]

The two people purported to be in the running were never in the military. Ash Carter and Michèle Flournoy.

[Gelston]

The two people purported to be in the running were never in the military. Ash Carter and Michèle Flournoy.

They've both been working in or around the DoD for decades though, albeit, in civilian positions.

Hell, Ashton Carter used to be the #2 guy in the DoD, Flournoy was a #3.

[Furryrat]

They've both been working in or around the DoD for decades though, albeit, in civilian positions.

Hell, Ashton Carter used to be the #2 guy in the DoD, Flournoy was a #3.

So much for the platform of change...

[Wrathbringer]

They've both been working in or around the DoD for decades though, albeit, in civilian positions.

Hell, Ashton Carter used to be the #2 guy in the DoD, Flournoy was a #3.

Yes, but more importantly, will whoever wins be required to interact with pc's in GS4 while scripting? I sure hope not. It's an important issue and no one is talking about it.

[Gelston]

Yes, but more importantly, will whoever wins be required to interact with pc's in GS4 while scripting? I sure hope not. It's an important issue and no one is talking about it.

Congress is passing legislation to deal with the GemStone IV scripting issues.

[Androidpk]

Congress is passing legislation to deal with the GemStone IV scripting issues.

So they claim. It's time for Obama to bust out another executive order.

[Wrathbringer]

Congress is passing legislation to deal with the GemStone IV scripting issues.

IT'S ABOUT TIME! That's why I voted for Obama. Twice. "Can we deal with the gemstone IV scripting issues? Yes, we can." Well, I wish you would.

[Danical]

Congress is passing legislation to deal with the GemStone IV scripting issues.

Last I heard, someone attached a rider to the proposed legislation that mandates SIMU spend at least 10% of their GS related income on GS marketing endeavors.

[Tgo01]

Flournoy bowed out. Basically she said she was worried she would be forced to just be a puppet like Hagel was.

[Gelston]

Flournoy bowed out. Basically she said she was worried she would be forced to just be a puppet like Hagel was.

She didn't want to be the first female SecDef? :(

[Tgo01]

She didn't want to be the first female SecDef? :(

I was shocked too. Some people still have pride and dignity in this country :O

[Androidpk]

Flournoy bowed out. Basically she said she was worried she would be forced to just be a puppet like Hagel was.

Anyone in that position under this administration is going to be just a puppet which is really unfortunate.

[Androidpk]

I was shocked too. Some people still have pride and dignity in this country :O

I would like to see some higher ups in the Pentagon resign in protest over Obama's bungling of military matters and foreign policy.

[Androidpk]

This blurb from FP nails it.

Hagel was not dismissed because he embodied a strategy that the White House wished to change. The White House continues to cling to the notion that it is doing everything right, and that what its strategy requires is minor tweaks, not a massive overhaul. Rather, Hagel was dismissed in order to protect those who really have been in charge of formulating a national security strategy that has been a dismal failure, namely, the handful of individuals who constitute the inner circle of presidential advisors. These are the people who are responsible for the premature withdrawal from Iraq; the premature announcement of a withdrawal from Afghanistan; the unfulfilled promise of the pivot to Asia; the red line on Syria that wasn't; the confused response to Putin's aggression in Ukraine and to the rise of the Islamic State.

[Jarvan]

This blurb from FP nails it.

Hagel was not dismissed because he embodied a strategy that the White House wished to change. The White House continues to cling to the notion that it is doing everything right, and that what its strategy requires is minor tweaks, not a massive overhaul. Rather, Hagel was dismissed in order to protect those who really have been in charge of formulating a national security strategy that has been a dismal failure, namely, the handful of individuals who constitute the inner circle of presidential advisors. These are the people who are responsible for the premature withdrawal from Iraq; the premature announcement of a withdrawal from Afghanistan; the unfulfilled promise of the pivot to Asia; the red line on Syria that wasn't; the confused response to Putin's aggression in Ukraine and to the rise of the Islamic State.

Aka.. Obama.

[Androidpk]

Aka.. Obama.

Well yeah, but who else? Unfortunately this article doesn't name names. I'm sure Hagel will be writing a book soon enough though.

[Jarvan]

Well yeah, but who else? Unfortunately this article doesn't name names. I'm sure Hagel will be writing a book soon enough though.

Well, really doesn't mater WHO advises the president. He is the one that chooses to take the advice or not.

[Gelston]

Secretary of Whatever will always be his puppet. He can get rid of them at any time. Their job is to advise, and their only authority is based off the Presidents.

[Androidpk]

Secretary of Whatever will always be his puppet. He can get rid of them at any time. Their job is to advise, and their only authority is based off the Presidents.

Right. Most presidents don't shut out their secretary of defense though.

[Gelston]

Right. Most presidents don't shut out their secretary of defense though.

Some do, some don't. It isn't a new thing.

[Gelston]

Gotta love Rummy though.

[Androidpk]

Gotta love Rummy though.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w5JqQLqqTc

[Gelston]

A known unknown is an unknown known.

[Androidpk]

A known unknown is an unknown known.

Or in the case of Ferguson the abundance of evidence is not evidence of evidence.

[Gelston]

Or in the case of Ferguson the abundance of evidence is not evidence of evidence.

Okay Latrin!

[Latrinsorm]

These are the people who are responsible for the premature withdrawal from Iraqsmh
Flournoy bowed out. Basically she said she was worried she would be forced to just be a puppet like Hagel was.You have an odd definition of basically.

[caelric]

Congress is passing legislation to deal with the GemStone IV scripting issues.

RSN.

[Androidpk]

smhYou have an odd definition of basically.

Shaking your head in agreement are you?

[Tgo01]

You have an odd definition of basically.

That's what she said! She said she wanted assurances that she would have more leeway than Hagel.

[Latrinsorm]

That's what she said! She said she wanted assurances that she would have more leeway than Hagel.She said family reasons. Someone else said she wanted more latitude, allegedly. Who? It's a secret to everyone.

[Tgo01]

She said family reasons. Someone else said she wanted more latitude, allegedly. Who? It's a secret to everyone.

You really think she was going to come out and say "Yo, Obama, you suck!" Of course it's "family reasons" because if she had said that she and her entire family would have been labeled as racists.

[Lord Orbstar]

Thank God we are not getting a woman Sec Def. whew. KNow what I mean?

[Lord Orbstar]

Women are not eligible for membership in the Astartes, so they cannot serve as SecDef.

[Gelston]

Women are not eligible for membership in the Astartes, so they cannot serve as SecDef.

They can be Sisters of Battle though.

[Androidpk]

They can be Sisters of Battle though.

And Inquisitors, lords of terra and solar fleet commanders.

[Lord Orbstar]

True. I agree a devout Christian woman would be acceptable. We will change the Army song to "Onward Christian Soldiers" and march our legions across the world with our own Joan of Arc in the fore!

[Lord Orbstar]

Watch out, Middle East. We are coming and it is not to rebuild you or spread democracy. From there it is a short trip through the Caucasus and dinner time in Saint Peter's Square.

Thank you, Gelston. You gave me more tax free deployment money!!

[Androidpk]

True. I agree a devout Christian woman would be acceptable. We will change the Army song to "Onward Christian Soldiers" and march our legions across the world with our own Joan of Arc in the fore!

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/8/87/Celestine.jpg

[Gelston]

Watch out, Middle East. We are coming and it is not to rebuild you or spread democracy. From there it is a short trip through the Caucasus and dinner time in Saint Peter's Square.

Thank you, Gelston. You gave me more tax free deployment money!!

Obama is our President. We all surrendered to ISIS. We are now all Muslims.

[Latrinsorm]

You really think she was going to come out and say "Yo, Obama, you suck!" Of course it's "family reasons" because if she had said that she and her entire family would have been labeled as racists.I don't think anything about what she wanted to say. I think if YOU want to say that SHE said something, SHE should have said it. Seems pretty straightforward to ME.

This has been Pronoun Capitalization Theater. Good night.

[Gelston]

Shut up, Latrin.

[Androidpk]

From the Associated Press: “On Monday, Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson became the latest to tell the White House he wasn't interested in [becoming Defense Secretary], according to people familiar with the process. Johnson's decision to stay put at DHS is likely to deepen the impression that the Pentagon post - typically a highly sought-after Cabinet spot -is drawing little interest.”

[Atlanteax]

No one wants to take the post and have their career cursed by Obummer.

[Androidpk]

No one wants to take the post and have their career cursed by Obummer.

I'd take it.

[Androidpk]

So it sounds like Obama has tapped Ash Carter for the job.

[ClydeR]

So it sounds like Obama has tapped Ash Carter for the job.

He has a good haircut. He'll be confirmed. Haircuts will be the determining factor for Obama's nominees for the remainder of his term. You'll see. People with Republican haircuts will be confirmed.

Carter has degrees in physics and medieval history (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/03/us/politics/ashton-carter-may-replace-chuck-hagel-at-defense-department-official-says.html), both of which will be useful for a Secretary of Defense.

[Atlanteax]

He has a good haircut. He'll be confirmed. Haircuts will be the determining factor for Obama's nominees for the remainder of his term. You'll see. People with Republican haircuts will be confirmed.

Carter has degrees in physics and medieval history (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/03/us/politics/ashton-carter-may-replace-chuck-hagel-at-defense-department-official-says.html), both of which will be useful for a Secretary of Defense.

Spouting meaningless analysis, just like Latrinsorm.

[Gelston]

He has a good haircut. He'll be confirmed. Haircuts will be the determining factor for Obama's nominees for the remainder of his term. You'll see. People with Republican haircuts will be confirmed.

Carter has degrees in physics and medieval history (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/03/us/politics/ashton-carter-may-replace-chuck-hagel-at-defense-department-official-says.html), both of which will be useful for a Secretary of Defense.

Well, and like, you know, decades working in the Defense Department.

[Androidpk]

Shut up, latrin.

Fixed that for you.

[Latrinsorm]

Spouting meaningless analysis, just like Latrinsorm.I don't have a degree in medieval history!

...yet...

[Androidpk]

Ash Carter confirmed, just as I predicted.