Bill Cosby's legacy going down the crapper

[Tgo01]

I'm kind of amazed how fast all of this is happening with Bill Cosby. It's almost like overnight people are trying to pretend he never existed; they are canceling interviews with him, they are canceling his comedy shows, Nick at Nite even stopped airing reruns of The Cosby Show.

Allegations of rape is obviously very serious but not a single allegation has even made it to the courts, much less has Cosby admitted to anything.

Just off the top of my head I can think of cases that received much more spotlight or actually did reach the courts and little to nothing came about it:

Kobe Bryant...he's even Latrin's love interest now
Bill Clinton
Roman Polanski...heck he was even FOUND GUILTY!!!

Yet the above people are very much revered by a lot of people and they even have famous defenders that basically tried to make the victims look like pieces of shit. Why is Cosby different?

[~Rocktar~]

It's because he is an educated black man that doesn't look to the government for a handout and tells other black people to not be lazy douchebags and stop making kids they don't care for like it's a national sport. Thus, he doesn't fit with the media's ideal image of a black leader and must be trashed.

[Kithus]

Obviously he just needs to hurry up an die. Michael Jackson touches little boys, had ridiculous plastic surgery performed on himself and eventually ODed and we're still making holograms of his dumb ass.

[Tgo01]

It's because he is an educated black man that doesn't look to the government for a handout and tells other black people to not be lazy douchebags and stop making kids they don't care for like it's a national sport. Thus, he doesn't fit with the media's ideal image of a black leader and must be trashed.

Surely you don't mean this speech he presented at the NAACP:


They're standing on the corner and they can't speak English. I can't even talk the way these people talk: Why you ain't, Where you is, What he drive, Where he stay, Where he work, Who you be... And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk. And then I heard the father talk.

Everybody knows it's important to speak English except these knuckleheads. You can't be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth. In fact you will never get any kind of job making a decent living.

People marched and were hit in the face with rocks to get an education, and now we've got these knuckleheads walking around. The lower economic people are not holding up their end in this deal. These people are not parenting. They are buying things for kids. $500 sneakers for what? And they won't spend $200 for Hooked on Phonics.

I am talking about these people who cry when their son is standing there in an orange suit. Where were you when he was 2? Where were you when he was 12? Where were you when he was 18 and how come you didn't know that he had a pistol? And where is the father? Or who is his father?

People putting their clothes on backward: Isn't that a sign of something gone wrong? People with their hats on backward, pants down around the crack, isn't that a sign of something? Or are you waiting for Jesus to pull his pants up? Isn't it a sign of something when she has her dress all the way up and got all type of needles [piercing] going through her body?

What part of Africa did this come from? We are not Africans. Those people are not Africans; they don't know a thing about Africa. With names like Shaniqua, Taliqua and Mohammed and all of that crap, and all of them are in jail.

Brown or black versus the Board of Education is no longer the white person's problem. We have got to take the neighborhood back. People used to be ashamed. Today a woman has eight children with eight different 'husbands' — or men or whatever you call them now. We have millionaire football players who cannot read. We have million-dollar basketball players who can't write two paragraphs. We as black folks have to do a better job. Someone working at Wal-Mart with seven kids, you are hurting us. We have to start holding each other to a higher standard.

We cannot blame the white people any longer.


Obviously he just needs to hurry up an die. Michael Jackson touches little boys, had ridiculous plastic surgery performed on himself and eventually ODed and we're still making holograms of his dumb ass.

Michael Jackson! Another great example. How many times was he brought to court? I know of at least one time.

[Kithus]

That is an amazing speech. Thank you for sharing.

[Candor]

I will need to look for the full text of Bill Cosby's speech to the NAACP. Maybe I'll frame a copy of it and put it on a wall.

As for the allegations against him, the instant someone has some proof of any of these incidents (an individual saying it happened is NOT proof), let me know.

[Atlanteax]

It's because he is an educated black man that doesn't look to the government for a handout and tells other black people to not be lazy douchebags and stop making kids they don't care for like it's a national sport. Thus, he doesn't fit with the media's ideal image of a black leader and must be trashed.

Pretty much this, *in fact*.

http://www.aol.com/article/2014/10/21/youre-a-rapist-comedian-hannibal-buress-calls-out-bill-cosby/20981710/


A stand-up comedian called Bill Cosby a rapist last week and insisted there is plenty of proof -- he might be right.
Hannibal Buress insisted during a Thursday appearance at the Trocadero, in Philadelphia, that Cosby's real-life antics betray his "public Teflon image." The "Cosby Show" star was previously accused of sexually assaulting more than a dozen women.
"Bill Cosby has the f******g smuggest old black man public persona that I hate," said Buress. "He gets on TV, 'Pull your pants up black people, I was on TV in the 80s. I can talk down to you because I had a successful sitcom.'
"Yeah, but you rape women, Bill Cosby, so turn the crazy down a couple notches," an infuriated Buress ranted. "'I don't curse onstage.' Well, yeah, you're rapist, so I'll take you saying lots of motherf*****s on Bill Cosby: Himself, if you weren't a rapist."
The 77-year-old Cosby is from Philadelphia. Buress, also an African-American, knew what he was doing by ranting in the actor/comedian's hometown.
"I don't know what I'm doing by telling you, I guess I want to just at least make it weird for you to watch Cosby Show reruns," Buress continued. "Dude's image, for the most part, it's f*****g public Teflon image.

Hannibal Buress probably has fathered children whom he denies is his.

[Atlanteax]

Oh, I noticed this...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannibal_Buress


Buress was a writer on Saturday Night Live from 2009–2010.[9] He left having had only one of his sketches aired.[10] In September 2010, he began writing for the fifth season of the NBC comedy series 30 Rock.[11] He quit after six months.[10]

During his 'rant' he said:

"Bill Cosby has the f******g smuggest old black man public persona that I hate," said Buress. "He gets on TV, 'Pull your pants up black people, I was on TV in the 80s. I can talk down to you because I had a successful sitcom.'

Someone 'has an axe to grind' apparently...

Reminds me of Charles Barkley reference to the black population having a 'crab mentality'.

[Latrinsorm]

It's 'crab bucket'. Free range crabs exhibit different behaviors, although they're still pretty crabby.

[Atlanteax]

It's 'crab bucket'. Free range crabs exhibit different behaviors, although they're still pretty crabby.

Oh Latrin, what would we ever do without your insightful contributions?

[Latrinsorm]

Crabby! I got a million of 'em!

[Silvean]

There's a November 19 Ta-Nehisi Coates piece in The Atlantic on this. Among other elements, Coates chides himself for writing a piece on Cosby's conservatism, particularly the famous "Pound Cake Speech," back in 2008 without taking the sexual assault allegations seriously.

http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/11/the-cosby-show/382891/

Coates' original piece about Cosby and black conservatism is available here:

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2008/05/-this-is-how-we-lost-to-the-white-man/306774/

[AnticorRifling]

Anytime Buress comes on Comedy Central Radio I instantly change the channel I can't stand him, he's not funny at all.

[Tisket]

I'm kind of amazed how fast all of this is happening with Bill Cosby. It's almost like overnight people are trying to pretend he never existed; they are canceling interviews with him, they are canceling his comedy shows, Nick at Nite even stopped airing reruns of The Cosby Show.

Allegations of rape is obviously very serious but not a single allegation has even made it to the courts, much less has Cosby admitted to anything.

Just off the top of my head I can think of cases that received much more spotlight or actually did reach the courts and little to nothing came about it:

Kobe Bryant...he's even Latrin's love interest now
Bill Clinton
Roman Polanski...heck he was even FOUND GUILTY!!!

Yet the above people are very much revered by a lot of people and they even have famous defenders that basically tried to make the victims look like pieces of shit. Why is Cosby different?

You forgot to mention the pedophile who married his own daughter but is still a venerated director, Woody Allen.

[Androidpk]

You forgot to mention the pedophile who married his own daughter but is still a venerated director, Woody Allen.

Step-daughter?

[Tenlaar]

You forgot to mention the pedophile who married his own daughter but is still a venerated director, Woody Allen.

She's not his daughter and their relationship started when she was 19.

[Jarvan]

She's not his daughter and their relationship started when she was 19.

Did you know that in almost every single state, it is considered incest if step-siblings have sex? Or their step parents?

Marrying/Adopting into a family as far as the law goes, usually makes you part of that family.


Except for Woody Allen.


United States
See also: Prohibited degree of kinship § United States

In the United States the District of Columbia and every state have some form of codified incest prohibition. In all states, incest is sexual acivity between a lineal ancestor and a lineal descendant (parent, grandparent with child or grandchild), siblings (brother-sister) and aunt-nephew, uncle-niece. However, individual statutes vary widely. Rhode Island has repealed its criminal incest statute[66] and only criminalizes incestuous marriage.[67] Ohio "targets only parental figures",[66] and New Jersey does not apply any penalties when both parties are 18 years of age or older.[6][66] A conviction for incest attracts the following maximal penalties by state:[citation needed]

5 years imprisonment in Hawaii,[66] Utah (even for first-cousin relations),[66] Florida
10 years imprisonment in Mississippi,[67] North Dakota, South Dakota, Wisconsin, and Minnesota
14 years imprisonment in California, Oregon, Washington, Alaska and Idaho
15 years imprisonment in Connecticut,[dubious – discuss] Louisiana,[67] Maryland, Delaware, Virginia and West Virginia
20 years imprisonment in Massachusetts,[66] New York, New Hampshire, Maine, Pennsylvania, and Vermont
25 years imprisonment in Kansas, Nebraska, Arkansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, Colorado, Wyoming, Iowa, Illinois, Indiana and Kentucky
10 to 30 years in Georgia (25-50 years for incest with a child under 14)[68]
Life imprisonment in Alabama, North Carolina, South Carolina,[dubious – discuss] Montana[67] and Tennessee.

Three convictions or more of incest also require the offenders to register as "Sex Offenders"[citation needed]

In some states, sex between first cousins is prohibited (see cousin marriage law in the United States by state for cousin sex, as well as cousin marriage, being outlawed in some states). Many states also apply incest laws to non-blood relations, including stepparents, step-siblings, and in-laws.

But.. you know.. for Woody.. it's ok.

[Jarvan]

As for Bill Cosby..

He must not be a Liberal Democrat... he's a Dem.. but socially conservative.. which means as far as the left is concerned, he is a Tea party nut job.

Which means the the left can pretend he doesn't exist and hate him.

[Androidpk]

As for Bill Cosby..

He must not be a Liberal Democrat... he's a Dem.. but socially conservative.. which means as far as the left is concerned, he is a Tea party nut job.

Which means the the left can pretend he doesn't exist and hate him.

Yet dems jerk off to Bill Clinton.

[Tenlaar]

Did you know that in almost every single state, it is considered incest if step-siblings have sex? Or their step parents?

Marrying/Adopting into a family as far as the law goes, usually makes you part of that family.


Except for Woody Allen.



But.. you know.. for Woody.. it's ok.

She isn't his step-daughter either. She was adopted by Mia Farrow, they never married and he didn't adopted her.

[Warriorbird]

She isn't his step-daughter either. She was adopted by Mia Farrow, they never married and he didn't adopted her.

It doesn't mean I like him, but you're right. There's worse stuff to lay at his door.

[crb]

Yet dems jerk off to Bill Clinton.

For the record, if anyone is spending time jerking off its most likely that person is named Bill Clinton? Isn't it?


Re; Cosby:

The one accuser said she was high as a kite, and thinks he "forced" her to gently caress his penis with her mouth. This is your witness. Enough said.

[Androidpk]

For the record, if anyone is spending time jerking off its most likely that person is named Bill Clinton? Isn't it?


Re; Cosby:

The one accuser said she was high as a kite, and thinks he "forced" her to gently caress his penis with her mouth. This is your witness. Enough said.

Probably. I doubt he's having sex with Hillary.

[Wrathbringer]

Probably. I doubt he's having sex with Hillary.

Would you?

[Androidpk]

Would you?

I may be a hornball but no, I wouldn't.

[Tenlaar]

I may be a hornball but no, I wouldn't.

You're crazy, think of the tax breaks you could get for banging the next president!

[Candor]

She's not his daughter and their relationship started when she was 19.

Technically true, but it's still a sick relationship given that she was the adopted daughter of a former lover. And Allen is nearly 40 years older.

[Candor]

Re; Cosby:

The one accuser said she was high as a kite, and thinks he "forced" her to gently caress his penis with her mouth. This is your witness. Enough said.

I didn't believe Anita Hill for a second during the Clarance Thomas confirmation hearings, and I absolutely believe that as a socially conservative black man, Cosby is also a target of the Far Left.

Admittedly the number of accusations is a concern. But until some shred of actual proof surfaces that validates even one of these accusations, I am not going to accept any of them.

[Tisket]

She's not his daughter and their relationship started when she was 19.

He helped raise her from a child. Quit defending incest.

[Tenlaar]

He helped raise her from a child. Quit defending incest.

There would have to be incest to defend first.

[Wrathbringer]

There would have to be incest to defend first.

Point: Tenlaar.

[Wrathbringer]

I may be a hornball but no, I wouldn't.

Exactly.

[Jarvan]

He helped raise her from a child. Quit defending incest.

Sadly, strictly speaking, it isn't. I thought he was married to Mia.

Still.. it's like raising your best friends kid for a decade after they die, then fucking her. While not legally wrong, it's still sick as fuck.

Nothing beats Roman Polanski tho. It's the ultimate proof of how fucking insane the left is. Hell, Whoopi defended him on the view...


Whoopi: "I know it wasn't rape-rape. It was something else but I don't believe it was rape-rape. He went to jail and and when they let him out he was like "You know what this guy's going to give me a hundred years in jail I'm not staying, so that's why he left."

Here we have an insane leftie saying it wasn't "rape-rape", yet look at all the outrage when a conservative says something about rape and abortion. Whoopi is referring to sex between a 43 year old man, who DRUGGED a 13 year old little girl, and had sex with her.

Nahh.... no rape there.

[Tenlaar]

Sadly, strictly speaking, it isn't.

Not "strictly speaking." In no way, shape, or form is it incest. Banging somebody you are not related to is not incest. Banging a 19 year old is not pedophilia.

Finding something icky does not mean you can change the meaning of words.

[Androidpk]

Sex with someone related by adoption constitutes incest.

[Tenlaar]

Sex with someone related by adoption constitutes incest.

Ok. It really shouldn't, but regardless, they aren't related by adoption either.

[SHAFT]

He's always been a pretentious prick. What a scumbag. There are too many allegations for this not to be true. Plus he paid the lady in 2005 to go away.

[Candor]

There are too many allegations for this not to be true.

I hope you don't get an opportunity to serve on a jury.


Plus he paid the lady in 2005 to go away.

Did you give Michael Jackson the benefit of the doubt? If you did, then why not Bill Cosby?

For myself, I need to research what happened in 2005. It doesn't seem good at first glance, though.

[Androidpk]

There are a number of instances of someone paying someone else off to drop a lawsuit. It doesn't necessarily mean the person is guilty of a crime though. They could just be trying to avoid the inherent bad publicity.

[SHAFT]

Fuck innocent until proven guilty. Where there's smoke there's fire. Lots of smoke here and he paid someone off.

Michael Jackson was guilty too. So is oj.

[Androidpk]

>Where there's smoke there's fire.

Logical fallacy

[SHAFT]

>Where there's smoke there's fire.

Logical fallacy

Fuck. Cosby. Smug fuck.

[Methais]

Fuck innocent until proven guilty. Where there's smoke there's fire.

Explain TGO's script checks then!

[SHAFT]

Tgo is guilty as shit. He is aware of it however and doesn't hide it.

[Androidpk]

Fuck. Cosby. Smug fuck.


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[Methais]

Tgo is guilty as shit. He is aware of it however and doesn't hide it.

Guilty of what?

[SHAFT]

Guilty of what?

Yes.

[Lord Orbstar]

The speeches Cosby gave are great and I agree with him on that topic 100%. Other things he has said, I do not. I also believe he is a rapist. There are too many women coming forward all describing a similar modus operandi with no hope of prosecution or financial gain over too long a time span for it to be a vast conspiracy. It is sad the victims were not at a place emotionally or mentally to have reported it to the police when it happened. It would have ended his rapist ways. Of course, then we couldnt have had the Cosby SHow, cool sweaters, jello pudding and those nice speeches to the NAACP. Mankind is frail and full of orginal sin; this is one more example. Sad.

[Tisket]

Not "strictly speaking." In no way, shape, or form is it incest. Banging somebody you are not related to is not incest. Banging a 19 year old is not pedophilia.

Finding something icky does not mean you can change the meaning of words.

Incest laws and restrictions are designed to prevent predatory behavior by adults with biological, adoptive, or social power over a child. Family structures and dynamics have changed dramatically and blood is no longer a precondition to being family.

Allen is a sick man who has gotten a pass thus far because he's rich and powerful. Anyone who defends him has a seriously skewed moral compass.

[Candor]

Incest laws and restrictions are designed to prevent predatory behavior by adults with biological, adoptive, or social power over a child. Family structures and dynamics have changed dramatically and blood is no longer a precondition to being family.

Allen is a sick man who has gotten a pass thus far because he's rich and powerful.

And unfortunately since Allen hasn't apparently broken the law here, there is nothing that will be done to him. It's really sad.

[Lord Orbstar]

Tisket is right.

[Warriorbird]

Incest laws and restrictions are designed to prevent predatory behavior by adults with biological, adoptive, or social power over a child. Family structures and dynamics have changed dramatically and blood is no longer a precondition to being family.

Allen is a sick man who has gotten a pass thus far because he's rich and powerful. Anyone who defends him has a seriously skewed moral compass.

I understand where you're coming from. I just wish he'd been brought down on the allegations directly related to his children.

[Silvean]

Mankind is frail and full of orginal sin; this is one more example. Sad.

G. K. Chesterton said original sin was the only part of Christian theology that could really be proved.

Of course, I don't understand rape any more than I do pedophilia. Whatever urge animates such people is alien to me.

[Maviur]

Kithus
Obviously he just needs to hurry up an die. Michael Jackson touches little boys, had ridiculous plastic surgery performed on himself and eventually ODed and we're still making holograms of his dumb ass.


Me
I just think of that damn monkey he brought to the Grammys.Nobody said anything about it,like it was normal and done yearly.

[crb]

The speeches Cosby gave are great and I agree with him on that topic 100%. Other things he has said, I do not. I also believe he is a rapist. There are too many women coming forward all describing a similar modus operandi with no hope of prosecution or financial gain over too long a time span for it to be a vast conspiracy. It is sad the victims were not at a place emotionally or mentally to have reported it to the police when it happened. It would have ended his rapist ways. Of course, then we couldnt have had the Cosby SHow, cool sweaters, jello pudding and those nice speeches to the NAACP. Mankind is frail and full of orginal sin; this is one more example. Sad.

There is no hope of prosecution for the same reason there is no risk of being sued for slander. Why do you think there is no hope for financial gain, why do you think there is no other motive than financial gain for someone to lie about something?

There are crazy people out there. There are people who will make shit up just for attention, do you remember the girl who faked her own kidnapping? There are people who will make things up to try to get money in a civil case settlement (examples too numerous to mention). There are people who can have consensual sex, but are otherwise so hung up about issues that they'll convince themselves in their mind that it was rape after the fact as a defense mechanism for them to feel better about themselves. There are people that will completely fabricate sexual relationships with celebrities because they're batshit crazy.

And like I said, one of the accusers said it was "forced oral sex" (I still do not understand how such a thing is possible without a gun or knife or something) while she was as high as a kite.

The fact that there are multiple women is irrelevant, considering it plays into the pathos of the crazy person to see someone vulnerable to an accusation and decide to join in.

You need physical evidence or at least corroboration at the time of the alleged assault. Did you tell your mom/friend/nurse at the hospital the day after it happened?

[Ashliana]

I haven't read every one of the accounts of the women who have alleged that he raped them, but they seem to involve him slipping things into their drinks. You describe one as "high as a kite," as if being being high--even if it were a conscious choice--somehow means that you can't be raped. That would be incorrect. And especially in the case of Cosby's alleged use of a date rape drug.

"Crazy people who make shit up for attention" do exist, but when you've been accused of rape by fifteen different women, all of whom--from the accounts I've read--had the kind of intimate access with him that make their stories plausible--it's not a huge jump.

None of them are pursuing criminal charges, so evidence is irrelevant--the only court this guy's going to be convicted in is the one of public opinion, which is precisely what's happening. I'm not sure why your guys' default response is "This guy must be innocent! Why? Uhh, uhhh, reasons? Uhhh, uhhh, fake rape accusations? Uhhh, he's famous, so he couldn't have done it!"

[Androidpk]

15 accusers and not a single one pressed charges or anything. Sounds fishy.

[crb]

You describe one as "high as a kite," as if being being high--even if it were a conscious choice--somehow means that you can't be raped. That would be incorrect.

She was willfully smoking marijuana, and of course you can be raped while high. I still don't understand how oral sex rape works considering in fellatio the woman is in the position of power and control, but regardless, the point is she admits her memory is hazy because of her drug use. That is not a quality witness. She is essentially saying "I was high and with bill cosby, I don't remember really well, I think I blew him, I don't think I wanted to though, so Bill cosby raped me."



I'm not sure why your guys' default response is "This guy must be innocent! Why? Uhh, uhhh, reasons? Uhhh, uhhh, fake rape accusations? Uhhh, he's famous, so he couldn't have done it!"

We're rational thinking humans who believe that an accusation without evidence isn't very worth of consideration.

Why is your default response "Bill Cosby raped all these white women!"? When, there is no evidence?

I know you said:



evidence is irrelevant

Which sort of explains your position, you're not interested in actual truth apparently.

[caelric]

Incest laws and restrictions are designed to prevent predatory behavior by adults with biological, adoptive, or social power over a child. Family structures and dynamics have changed dramatically and blood is no longer a precondition to being family.

Allen is a sick man who has gotten a pass thus far because he's rich and powerful and a hero of the left. Anyone who defends him has a seriously skewed moral compass.

There, fixed that for you.



Also, one thing I don't understand:

if you smoke marijuana, or drink until you are drunk, and then get in a car and drive, you are guilty as sin, but if you smoke marijuana, or get drunk (of your own accord, not from a date rape drug), and then have sex with someone (and you are a woman, and the person you had sex with is a man), it is considered that person that had sex with you took advantage of you, and it was possibly rape. How exactly does that work?

[Androidpk]

There, fixed that for you.



Also, one thing I don't understand:

if you smoke marijuana, or drink until you are drunk, and then get in a car and drive, you are guilty as sin, but if you smoke marijuana, or get drunk (of your own accord, not from a date rape drug), and then have sex with someone (and you are a woman, and the person you had sex with is a man), it is considered that person that had sex with you took advantage of you, and it was possibly rape. How exactly does that work?

Because being intoxicated and driving is a crime. Being intoxicated and not driving isn't a crime, barring public intoxication laws.

[Methais]

I haven't read every one of the accounts of the women who have alleged that he raped them, but they seem to involve him slipping things into their drinks. You describe one as "high as a kite," as if being being high--even if it were a conscious choice--somehow means that you can't be raped. That would be incorrect. And especially in the case of Cosby's alleged use of a date rape drug.

"Crazy people who make shit up for attention" do exist, but when you've been accused of rape by fifteen different women, all of whom--from the accounts I've read--had the kind of intimate access with him that make their stories plausible--it's not a huge jump.

None of them are pursuing criminal charges, so evidence is irrelevant--the only court this guy's going to be convicted in is the one of public opinion, which is precisely what's happening. I'm not sure why your guys' default response is "This guy must be innocent! Why? Uhh, uhhh, reasons? Uhhh, uhhh, fake rape accusations? Uhhh, he's famous, so he couldn't have done it!"

Do you think Bill Clinton was guilty of his rape allegations? Just curious.


She was willfully smoking marijuana, and of course you can be raped while high. I still don't understand how oral sex rape works considering in fellatio the woman is in the position of power and control, but regardless, the point is she admits her memory is hazy because of her drug use. That is not a quality witness. She is essentially saying "I was high and with bill cosby, I don't remember really well, I think I blew him, I don't think I wanted to though, so Bill cosby raped me."

I think we need to get Latrin's analysis on this one. Perhaps she was suffering from psychosis as a result of smoke pot.

Latrin?

[caelric]

Because being intoxicated and driving is a crime. Being intoxicated and not driving isn't a crime, barring public intoxication laws.

No, I get that, it's the law, but why is it that way? We hold someone responsible in one case, and in another case, not responsible; in both cases the effect of alcohol/drugs is the same, but the end result is different.

[Ashliana]

She was willfully smoking marijuana, and of course you can be raped while high. I still don't understand how oral sex rape works considering in fellatio the woman is in the position of power and control, but regardless, the point is she admits her memory is hazy because of her drug use. That is not a quality witness. She is essentially saying "I was high and with bill cosby, I don't remember really well, I think I blew him, I don't think I wanted to though, so Bill cosby raped me."

We're rational thinking humans who believe that an accusation without evidence isn't very worth of consideration.

Why is your default response "Bill Cosby raped all these white women!"? When, there is no evidence?

Ah, a response full of both your typical intellectual dishonesty and staggering ignorance of psychology.

I never said I was "uninterested in truth." Cosby isn't being charged with a crime, and thus physical evidence isn't the issue. These are also years after-the-fact--in all likelihood, beyond the statute of limitations (but that can vary by state, depending on where they were committed). In any case, rape cases can be tried based on testimony and corroboration of events alone, but in any case--tell me--in your mind, what kind of "evidence" is required for someone to simply speak out about an incident?

Many victims choose, for many reasons, not to go to the police, or to have rape kits done. Especially before the 2000's, when huge awareness/education campaigns were undertaken (and allegations of Cosby's attacks stretch back decades). There's a lot of self-blame felt when the victims chose to be in a private, or even an intimate setting with their attacker, and they're not of an ideal mindset after being traumatized, and especially while drugged. And even when they are done, if there aren't bruises or other signs of struggle (again, which increase the chance of violent retribution), all the kit proves is that sex occurred, and it's still he-said, she-said.

You claim "the woman is in the position of power and control" while performing oral sex, ignoring that the person may be fearing for their life, or--in many of these cases--drugged, wherein they can't consent. Finally, you're arbitrarily selecting one of the fifteen women's stories and using it to cast doubt over the accusations as a whole.

[Androidpk]

No, I get that, it's the law, but why is it that way? We hold someone responsible in one case, and in another case, not responsible; in both cases the effect of alcohol/drugs is the same, but the end result is different.

The end result is different because they are completely separate situations. Just because someone is intoxicated doesn't mean they waive their rights to not be violated.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Incest laws and restrictions are designed to prevent predatory behavior by adults with biological, adoptive, or social power over a child. Family structures and dynamics have changed dramatically and blood is no longer a precondition to being family.

Allen is a sick man who has gotten a pass thus far because he's rich and powerful. Anyone who defends him has a seriously skewed moral compass.

Agreed. I dated a woman with two young girls (one was 8, the other 10) and watched them grow up over a few years - its a very twisted person who can somehow justify to themselves it's ok to want to bang someone you once told to do their laundry/clean their room or any other parenting type activity.

[Malisai]

I'm kind of amazed how fast all of this is happening with Bill Cosby. It's almost like overnight people are trying to pretend he never existed; they are canceling interviews with him, they are canceling his comedy shows, Nick at Nite even stopped airing reruns of The Cosby Show.

Allegations of rape is obviously very serious but not a single allegation has even made it to the courts, much less has Cosby admitted to anything.

Just off the top of my head I can think of cases that received much more spotlight or actually did reach the courts and little to nothing came about it:

Kobe Bryant...he's even Latrin's love interest now
Bill Clinton
Roman Polanski...heck he was even FOUND GUILTY!!!

Yet the above people are very much revered by a lot of people and they even have famous defenders that basically tried to make the victims look like pieces of shit. Why is Cosby different?

I think the main issue with Cosby is that he has had allegations against him for a long long time, it just never went anywhere and the media never really picked it up and ran with it. However now, its a bit different. Over a dozen women have come forward. The big issue is that its not really possible to prove that it happened, however with so many women saying the same thing its not something that can be easily ignored.

As to the court thing, he had been sued before, but reached a deal with the woman. That was probably a good thing because what came to light after the fact was that apparently there were five or six women who were going to give testimony, and he avoided that by reaching a deal with the woman that sued him.

So I dont find it surprising that people are taking what the woman are saying about him seriously, people have basically been saying this his entire career.

Unfortunately because of the nature of rape, no one will be able to prove/convict him for it.

[Tenlaar]

Incest laws and restrictions are designed to prevent predatory behavior by adults with biological, adoptive, or social power over a child. Family structures and dynamics have changed dramatically and blood is no longer a precondition to being family.

So now having had "social power" in the past is all that is needed for incest? Because that's the only one of those requirements that you could argue. Is a teacher having sex with a former student who is now an adult incest and pedophilia? Is a social worker having sex with a former (whatever you call the recipient of social work) who is now an adult incest and pedophilia?

I don't give a shit about Woody Allen, I just think it's stupid and wrong to call somebody an incestuous pedophile for having sex with an adult they aren't related to.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Uhhh, he's famous, so he couldn't have done it!"

I don't know if he's guilty or not, but he's famous, and wealthy, so that's motivation enough for some people to make false accusations to get some money.

Ask any lawyer here - companies (and I'm sure wealthy people) pay out ALL THE TIME to liars because it's simply easier, less expensive, creates less issues and is less time consuming to do so. It is the crux of the problem with our legal system and frivolous lawsuits are at the core of it all.

[Ker_Thwap]

I used to be a fan, because of his "personal responsibility" positions. Rapist trumps political stance, thus he's vermin. If he really believed in personal responsibility, he'd turn himself in to the nearest PD and request that he be prosecuted.

Cosby, Allen, and Clinton all fall into roughly the same category. A disparity of relative power, taking what they want, avoiding the consequences.

[Ashliana]

I don't know if he's guilty or not, but he's famous, and wealthy, so that's motivation enough for some people to make false accusations to get some money.

Ask any lawyer here - companies (and I'm sure wealthy people) pay out ALL THE TIME to liars because it's simply easier, less expensive, creates less issues and is less time consuming to do so. It is the crux of the problem with our legal system and frivolous lawsuits are at the core of it all.

I don't see anybody claiming that he's assuredly guilty, but I think you're overestimating the number of people who are either "crazy attention seekers" Crb referred to, or people looking for a lawsuit payday that you bring up. The former exist, but become increasingly unlikely with each additional person who steps forward. The latter definitely exist, but typically not in rape cases.

Rape victims face way more judgment--precisely the type we've seen in this very thread--than other types of victims, and are irrationally hated based on various prejudices that people hold, from gross over-estimations of how likely "crying rape" is, to outright victim blaming, and the occasional blatant misogynist.

[Methais]

I don't see anybody claiming that he's assuredly guilty, but I think you're overestimating the number of people who are either "crazy attention seekers" Crb referred to, or people looking for a lawsuit payday that you bring up. The former exist, but become increasingly unlikely with each additional person who steps forward. The latter definitely exist, but typically not in rape cases.

Rape victims face way more judgment--precisely the type we've seen in this very thread--than other types of victims, and are irrationally hated based on various prejudices that people hold, from gross over-estimations of how likely "crying rape" is, to outright victim blaming, and the occasional blatant misogynist.

Do you think Clinton was guilty of his rape accusations?

[Ashliana]

Do you think Clinton was guilty of his rape accusations?

Honestly, I'd have to read more about it. I was in middle school when Clinton was in office.

[caelric]

Do you think Clinton was guilty of his rape accusations?

No, of course not. He's a darling of the left. And even worse, if he is guilty, then likely his wife was complicit, or at least knowing, and she is even more a darling of the left.

It's amazing the way people (and honestly, this is both sides of the spectrum) will tie themselves in knots to defend those they favor, and overlook faults that in others, they will cry for the death penalty (hyperbole, of course)

[Methais]

Honestly, I'd have to read more about it. I was in middle school when Clinton was in office.

Go do your research and get back to me.

In before "I don't have to do what you tell me!"

[Tisket]

So now having had "social power" in the past is all that is needed for incest? Because that's the only one of those requirements that you could argue. Is a teacher having sex with a former student who is now an adult incest and pedophilia? Is a social worker having sex with a former (whatever you call the recipient of social work) who is now an adult incest and pedophilia?

I don't give a shit about Woody Allen, I just think it's stupid and wrong to call somebody an incestuous pedophile for having sex with an adult they aren't related to.

By "social" affinity I was speaking about non traditional families of which there are a multitude of permutations.

[Ker_Thwap]

Go do your research and get back to me.

In before "I don't have to do what you tell me!"

I was in grade school when Cosby was first accused of rape.

[Fallen]

Isn't he one of the richest actors in the country? Yeah...without proof, I wouldn't judge the guy quite yet.


According to Celebrity Net Worth (http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/actors/bill-cosby-net-worth/), Bill Cosby net worth is $400 million. The Richest claims his net worth is $350 million. The man behind "The Bill Cosby Show," (1984 to-1992) is certainly one of the successful and richest actors ever seen in Hollywood.

[waywardgs]

Isn't he one of the richest actors in the country? Yeah...without proof, I wouldn't judge the guy quite yet.

No one is going for his money.

[Fallen]

No one is going for his money.

Other than that one chick who got paid, you mean.

[Tgo01]

I think the main issue with Cosby is that he has had allegations against him for a long long time, it just never went anywhere and the media never really picked it up and ran with it. However now, its a bit different. Over a dozen women have come forward. The big issue is that its not really possible to prove that it happened, however with so many women saying the same thing its not something that can be easily ignored.

As to the court thing, he had been sued before, but reached a deal with the woman. That was probably a good thing because what came to light after the fact was that apparently there were five or six women who were going to give testimony, and he avoided that by reaching a deal with the woman that sued him.

So I dont find it surprising that people are taking what the woman are saying about him seriously, people have basically been saying this his entire career.

Unfortunately because of the nature of rape, no one will be able to prove/convict him for it.

There were more women who came forward with more evidence against Bill Clinton. I'm sure everyone remembers the Monica Lewinsky thing. A big fuss was made over it. It was worldwide news for months. Yet Clinton is currently held in high regard. One could argue that maybe this will blow over for Cosby as well and in a few years he will be held in high regard as well. That's possible. However there was never such universal disgust for Clinton.

There really is no difference other than Clinton was more powerful than Cosby, the color of their skin, and the political ideologies. I really do wonder which one it is...or perhaps a combination of all of them.

As far as crb's claim that a woman can't be raped via oral sex, I'm pretty sure a man could grab a woman's head and force her upon his penis.

[Tgo01]

Honestly, I'd have to read more about it. I was in middle school when Clinton was in office.

I thought just the number of accusers alone was enough to prove he was guilty? There are well over 15 in Clinton's case.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

There were more women who came forward with more evidence against Bill Clinton. I'm sure everyone remembers the Monica Lewinsky thing.

That's a poor comparison - Lewinsky never claimed rape did she? He harassed some women (or it was alleged) but I never saw any accusations of rape made against Bill Clinton.

[Methais]

There were more women who came forward with more evidence against Bill Clinton. I'm sure everyone remembers the Monica Lewinsky thing. A big fuss was made over it. It was worldwide news for months. Yet Clinton is currently held in high regard. One could argue that maybe this will blow over for Cosby as well and in a few years he will be held in high regard as well. That's possible. However there was never such universal disgust for Clinton.

There really is no difference other than Clinton was more powerful than Cosby, the color of their skin, and the political ideologies. I really do wonder which one it is...or perhaps a combination of all of them.

As far as crb's claim that a woman can't be raped via oral sex, I'm pretty sure a man could grab a woman's head and force her upon his penis.

Haven't you ever watched Shawshank Redemption?

On topic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEsZkTTgydc

[waywardgs]

Other than that one chick who got paid, you mean.

He is not currently being used or charged.

[crb]

As far as crb's claim that a woman can't be raped via oral sex, I'm pretty sure a man could grab a woman's head and force her upon his penis.

How? So you pull her head, how do you pry her jaws open and have her kindly shield her teeth with her lips? Meanwhile, if you're busy with 4 or 5 hands holding her head and mouth in a perfect position her hands and legs are obviously free. So you need another set of limbs... Doc Ock could probably pull it off. Nevermind a blowjob without the help of hands is a shitty blowjob (but I know... its still pizza).

Plus, in fellatio the woman holds the power. Are you really going to "force" with the help of 8 arms a woman into a fellatio position and then slip your dick between her teeth? Unless you're holding a gun to her head or a knife to her throat I don't see how any reasonable person could believe you could force someone to perform oral sex on you. For vaginal intercourse to feel good it doesn't really require the woman's participation (it helps of course if she is into it), this is not the case with oral sex.

Now I'm sure if Bill had a gun or knife she would have remember that and mentioned it, she didn't. So I think her story is bullshit. Maybe he lied and said "Baby I'll get you a job if you blow me" which is not rape. Maybe he said "Baby, you don't want me angry, and right now I need my dick sucked." That also isn't rape. Maybe they were both high and she blew him and then just regretted it the next day. Maybe they never had any sexual contact whatsoever and it is made up entirely. I don't know, but her story, as is, is preposterous.

[Parkbandit]

No one is going for his money.

Yet?

If he did these things, then he should be hanged by his balls. Unfortunately, this is what happens when you wait 20-30 years before making your claims.

[Parkbandit]

That's a poor comparison - Lewinsky never claimed rape did she? He harassed some women (or it was alleged) but I never saw any accusations of rape made against Bill Clinton.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_misconduct_allegations_against_Bill_Clinton

[Tgo01]

That's a poor comparison - Lewinsky never claimed rape did she? He harassed some women (or it was alleged) but I never saw any accusations of rape made against Bill Clinton.

There are countless women who claim Clinton raped and sexually assaulted them.

Mentioning Lewinsky is twofold; one it brought all of this to the world's attention just like is happening with Cosby now so no one can say "Well I just never heard of it..." Everyone knows about Clinton's deeds yet he never really suffered any consequences from it.

Also while Lewinsky might have claimed it was consensual it was obviously a powerful and older man in a position of trust and power over a much younger woman. Just like the Woody Allen example; even though it might have been consensual it sure does show what an asshole Clinton is.

[SHAFT]

15 accusers and not a single one pressed charges or anything. Sounds fishy.

One went to the cops in 2004 and the prosecutor didn't go after Cosby due to lack of evidence. I have not read any detailed accounts of the others stories to see if they possibly had the same experience with the lack of evidence.

I do like how Cosby paid the one broad off and then later when a reporter asks him about the case he looks at the reporter and tells them they aren't supposed to ask those questions. As if because he paid the person off it bought him out of having to talk about it.

Out of the 15, I'd bet my house that one of them is telling the truth, and that is all that it takes.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

How? So you pull her head, how do you pry her jaws open and have her kindly shield her teeth with her lips? Meanwhile, if you're busy with 4 or 5 hands holding her head and mouth in a perfect position her hands and legs are obviously free. So you need another set of limbs... Doc Ock could probably pull it off. Nevermind a blowjob without the help of hands is a shitty blowjob (but I know... its still pizza).

Plus, in fellatio the woman holds the power. Are you really going to "force" with the help of 8 arms a woman into a fellatio position and then slip your dick between her teeth? Unless you're holding a gun to her head or a knife to her throat I don't see how any reasonable person could believe you could force someone to perform oral sex on you. For vaginal intercourse to feel good it doesn't really require the woman's participation (it helps of course if she is into it), this is not the case with oral sex.

Now I'm sure if Bill had a gun or knife she would have remember that and mentioned it, she didn't. So I think her story is bullshit. Maybe he lied and said "Baby I'll get you a job if you blow me" which is not rape. Maybe he said "Baby, you don't want me angry, and right now I need my dick sucked." That also isn't rape. Maybe they were both high and she blew him and then just regretted it the next day. Maybe they never had any sexual contact whatsoever and it is made up entirely. I don't know, but her story, as is, is preposterous.

You realize there are ways around physically opening a person's mouth right? Threaten to cut them, punch them, kill them, intimidate them, etc etc etc. You are retarded if you think a man cannot rape a woman's mouth. You make me think of that politician who said women who got pregnant being raped had ways of preventing that pregnancy. It's not black and white.

[SHAFT]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_misconduct_allegations_against_Bill_Clinton

At least Clinton is a likeable guy. Cosby however isn't. His role on the Cosby show was an act and he's a prick in real life.

Not excusing anything Clinton may or may not have done, but being likeable goes a long way in the court of public opinion.

[Tgo01]

How? So you pull her head, how do you pry her jaws open and have her kindly shield her teeth with her lips?

I'm not going to get into the logistics of it because I've never done it before.

[crb]

You realize there are ways around physically opening a person's mouth right? Threaten to cut them, punch them, kill them, intimidate them, etc etc etc. You are retarded if you think a man cannot rape a woman's mouth. You make me think of that politician who said women who got pregnant being raped had ways of preventing that pregnancy. It's not black and white.

Of course, if you didn't fail at reading comprehension, you'll say I repeatedly mentioned threaten with a gun or knife.

I personally don't think punching or beating would do it. Who wants to beat someone up then put their most prized possession between that person's teeth? Even if the woman is too scared to bite, YOU don't know that. Vaginas don't have teeth.

But you know, the lady didn't mention any of that. You'd think you'd remember a beating, or a gun to your head, or something.

So like I said, preposterous.

[Parkbandit]

At least Clinton is a likeable guy. Cosby however isn't. His role on the Cosby show was an act and he's a prick in real life.

Not excusing anything Clinton may or may not have done, but being likeable goes a long way in the court of public opinion.

I've never met either people in real life. I'm happy you were able to spend a great deal of time with both of these men though, and determine this for the rest of us.

[crb]

I'm not going to get into the logistics of it because I've never done it before.

Your sex life isn't really relevant Tgo01.

[Tenlaar]

There are countless women who claim Clinton raped and sexually assaulted them.

I'm sorry, countless? You must be really bad at math, I'll show you how to count them. One...two...three...and we're done.

Two claims of sexual harassment, one by a woman who it was determined gave false information, and one claim of rape by a woman that signed an affidavit saying it had never happened.

[Tgo01]

I'm sorry, countless? You must be really bad at math, I'll show you how to count them. One...two...three...and we're done.

Two claims of sexual harassment, one by a woman who it was determined gave false information, and one claim of rape by a woman that signed an affidavit saying it had never happened.

Uh-huh.

http://illinoisreview.typepad.com/illinoisreview/2012/09/clintons-ignored-accusers.html


Juanita Broaddrick (AR)- rape
Eileen Wellstone (Oxford) - rape
Elizabeth Ward Gracen - rape - quid pro quo, post incident intimidation
Regina Hopper Blakely - "forced himself on her, biting, bruising her"
Kathleen Willey (WH) - sexual assault, intimidations, threats
Sandra Allen James (DC) - sexual assault

22 Year Old 1972 (Yale) - sexual assault
Kathy Bradshaw (AK) - sexual assault
Cristy Zercher - unwelcomed sexual advance, intimidations
Paula Jones (AR) - unwelcomed sexual advance, exposure, bordering on sexual assault
Carolyn Moffet -unwelcomed sexual advance, exposure, bordering on sexual assault
1974 student at University of Arkansas - unwelcomed physical contact
1978-1980 - seven complaints per Arkansas state troopers
Monica Lewinsky - quid pro quo, post incident character assault
Gennifer Flowers - quid pro quo, post incident character assault
Dolly Kyle Browning - post incident character assault
Sally Perdue - post incident threats
Betty Dalton - rebuffed his advances, married to one of his supporters
Denise Reeder - apologetic note scanned

People accusing Clinton of sexual assault goes back to when he was in college, followed him through when he was campaigning for governor, when he was governor, when he was campaigning for president and even while he was president.

These are just the women who actually came forward. If you do some more research you would see state troopers admitting that they would often bring women to Clinton's hotel rooms for "private meetings." I wonder how many of those women were raped/sexually assaulted and just never said anything about it or to cope with the fact that they were raped they are now telling themselves it was consensual.

[JackWhisper]

Clinton got a lot of nani. Jeezus.

+1 for TGO.
-1 for Tenlaar for not even googling.

[Androidpk]

I'm sorry, countless? You must be really bad at math, I'll show you how to count them. One...two...three...and we're done.

Two claims of sexual harassment, one by a woman who it was determined gave false information, and one claim of rape by a woman that signed an affidavit saying it had never happened.

:lol2: :lol2: :lol2:

http://www.animated-gifs.eu/leisure-circus-clowns/0215.gif

[waywardgs]

How? So you pull her head, how do you pry her jaws open and have her kindly shield her teeth with her lips? Meanwhile, if you're busy with 4 or 5 hands holding her head and mouth in a perfect position her hands and legs are obviously free. So you need another set of limbs... Doc Ock could probably pull it off. Nevermind a blowjob without the help of hands is a shitty blowjob (but I know... its still pizza).

Plus, in fellatio the woman holds the power. Are you really going to "force" with the help of 8 arms a woman into a fellatio position and then slip your dick between her teeth? Unless you're holding a gun to her head or a knife to her throat I don't see how any reasonable person could believe you could force someone to perform oral sex on you. For vaginal intercourse to feel good it doesn't really require the woman's participation (it helps of course if she is into it), this is not the case with oral sex.

Now I'm sure if Bill had a gun or knife she would have remember that and mentioned it, she didn't. So I think her story is bullshit. Maybe he lied and said "Baby I'll get you a job if you blow me" which is not rape. Maybe he said "Baby, you don't want me angry, and right now I need my dick sucked." That also isn't rape. Maybe they were both high and she blew him and then just regretted it the next day. Maybe they never had any sexual contact whatsoever and it is made up entirely. I don't know, but her story, as is, is preposterous.

Dude. You're one gross motherfucker.

[caelric]

Clinton got a lot of nani. Jeezus.


And this goes back to my point earlier that ol' Mrs Clinton was, if not complicit, at the very least, knowing. And yet, no one is saying anything bad about her, because she is the heir apparent for 2016.

[Ashliana]

And this goes back to my point earlier that ol' Mrs Clinton was, if not complicit, at the very least, knowing. And yet, no one is saying anything bad about her, because she is the heir apparent for 2016.

Clinton sucks. If she wins, it's another 8 years of status quo. If only Warren would run..

[Warriorbird]

I'd be excited about Webb.

[Androidpk]

Clinton sucks. If she wins, it's another 8 years of status quo. If only Warren would run..

Warren was given a leadership position in congress which makes me think others in the democratic party don't want her to run in 2016.

[Methais]

If only Warren would run..


http://files.patrikelfstrom.se/lolololol-lolololol.jpg

[SHAFT]

I've never met either people in real life. I'm happy you were able to spend a great deal of time with both of these men though, and determine this for the rest of us.

I will rape you in the mouth if you ever get out of line with me again. In the mouth ya hear???

[crb]

Dude. You're one gross motherfucker.

Only on Tuesdays, but thats besides the point.

Explain how I'm wrong.

Unless your position is that Bill Cosby was smoking weed with this woman, and said "I am going to beat you to death unless you blow me sweetheart." and so she did, and he didn't have to touch her at all. That might be rape, I don't know, it sorta depends on body language, their history together, how it was said, etc. Someone could say something like that as a joke, a bad joke, but a joke. But what I do know is this. That there is no possible way to prove or disprove that that happened. It makes it a convenient story to tell.

Even if you think in your heart its true, surely you must acknowledge the impossibility of ever proving that to be true, ergo if you know there will never, ever, be evidence proving someone is a bad man, why don't you act like the justice system and give him the benefit of the doubt?

Even if it happened yesterday you couldn't prove that, let alone decades ago.

Why is it when dealing with sexual assault perfectly logical people lose their reasoning abilities?

[Ashliana]

I will rape you in the mouth if you ever get out of line with me again. In the mouth ya hear???


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8b7rq6IhASw

[Parkbandit]

I'm sorry, countless? You must be really bad at math, I'll show you how to count them. One...two...three...and we're done.

Two claims of sexual harassment, one by a woman who it was determined gave false information, and one claim of rape by a woman that signed an affidavit saying it had never happened.

lol

[Parkbandit]

If only Warren would run..

it would guarantee a Republican in the White House.

That 1/32nd Indian woman is nuts.

Her cheekbones are legit though.

[Ashliana]

Only on Tuesdays, but thats besides the point.

Explain how I'm wrong.

Unless your position is that Bill Cosby was smoking weed with this woman, and said "I am going to beat you to death unless you blow me sweetheart." and so she did, and he didn't have to touch her at all. That might be rape, I don't know, it sorta depends on body language, their history together, how it was said, etc. Someone could say something like that as a joke, a bad joke, but a joke. But what I do know is this. That there is no possible way to prove or disprove that that happened. It makes it a convenient story to tell.

Even if you think in your heart its true, surely you must acknowledge the impossibility of ever proving that to be true, ergo if you know there will never, ever, be evidence proving someone is a bad man, why don't you act like the justice system and give him the benefit of the doubt?

Even if it happened yesterday you couldn't prove that, let alone decades ago.

Why is it when dealing with sexual assault perfectly logical people lose their reasoning abilities?

You're being mind-blowingly obtuse. What would happen if your sister/mother/wife/etc came to you and said "This man raped me." Is your natural reaction "You'd better have enough evidence to convict him in a court of law, or stop talking to me about it"? People, and society, are not courtrooms. Each additional alleged victim who comes out makes it exponentially less likely that they're "making it up for some reason." Especially with people like you who apparently believe that all rape victims are lying unless or until a prosecutor successfully proves their case.

[Ashliana]

it would guarantee a Republican in the White House.

That 1/32nd Indian woman is nuts.

Her cheekbones are legit though.

Didn't people say the same thing about Obama before Hillary lost the nomination to him? Warren has the same kind of enthusiastic support that Obama did, and Hillary doesn't. I suppose we'll just have to see.

[Jeril]

Why is it when dealing with sexual assault perfectly logical people lose their reasoning abilities?

Because we went from not expressing our emotions to the exact opposite end, expressing them without any thought in between.

[Latrinsorm]

And like I said, one of the accusers said it was "forced oral sex" (I still do not understand how such a thing is possible without a gun or knife or something) while she was as high as a kite.The tool is irrelevant, all that is relevant is whether the threat is believed. It also only has to be a threat to constitute rape, so no beating has to occur. This line of reasoning is a stretch even for you.
15 accusers and not a single one pressed charges or anything. Sounds fishy.Look up the conviction stats for rape sometime.
if you smoke marijuana, or drink until you are drunk, and then get in a car and drive, you are guilty as sin, but if you smoke marijuana, or get drunk (of your own accord, not from a date rape drug), and then have sex with someone (and you are a woman, and the person you had sex with is a man), it is considered that person that had sex with you took advantage of you, and it was possibly rape. How exactly does that work?The point of law is to protect society. A person getting drunk and being incapable of consenting to sex is not a danger to society. A person getting drunk and being incapable of operating a motor vehicle safely is.
Yet Clinton is currently held in high regard. One could argue that maybe this will blow over for Cosby as well and in a few years he will be held in high regard as well.I have seen many people criticize Clinton, Allen, Polanski. You offer no quantitative measurement of "held in high regard", I wonder why?

[Parkbandit]

Didn't people say the same thing about Obama before Hillary lost the nomination to him? Warren has the same kind of enthusiastic support that Obama did, and Hillary doesn't. I suppose we'll just have to see.

She will have to reinvent herself into something non-liberal.. just like Obama did.

And hopefully.. no one will look up her family tree to find out she's been bullshitting people all these years.

[Tgo01]

I have seen many people criticize Clinton, Allen, Polanski. You offer no quantitative measurement of "held in high regard", I wonder why?

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wat?

[SHAFT]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8b7rq6IhASw

You shouldn't joke about rape. It's a serious topic.

[crb]

You're being mind-blowingly obtuse. What would happen if your sister/mother/wife/etc came to you and said "This man raped me." Is your natural reaction "You'd better have enough evidence to convict him in a court of law, or stop talking to me about it"? People, and society, are not courtrooms. Each additional alleged victim who comes out makes it exponentially less likely that they're "making it up for some reason." Especially with people like you who apparently believe that all rape victims are lying unless or until a prosecutor successfully proves their case.

You're being mind-blowingly obtuse. What would happen if your husband/brother/son etc came to you and said "This woman says I raped her." Is your natural reaction "They don't need any evidence, you're obviously guilty"? People, and society, are not courtrooms.

You can go ahead and live your life believing anything people say. I'm a permanent skeptic, I'll go ahead and only believe things people can prove.

[Parkbandit]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_lacrosse_case

Case in point... sometimes the court of public opinion is retarded.

[~Rocktar~]

You're being mind-blowingly obtuse. What would happen if your sister/mother/wife/etc came to you and said "This man raped me." Is your natural reaction "You'd better have enough evidence to convict him in a court of law, or stop talking to me about it"? People, and society, are not courtrooms. Each additional alleged victim who comes out makes it exponentially less likely that they're "making it up for some reason." Especially with people like you who apparently believe that all rape victims are lying unless or until a prosecutor successfully proves their case.


Bullshit. If quantity made fact then the world would be flat, lemmings would migrate off cliffs and higher taxes would not drive businesses and jobs out of the US. So, yeah, bullshit. Facts make facts, numbers of questionable people making sad accusations after 20+ years to try and get money and publicity don't cut it as facts.

[Warriorbird]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_lacrosse_case

Case in point... sometimes the court of public opinion is retarded.

Definitely true. More alleged victims and more credible allegations here, however.

[Parkbandit]

Definitely true. More alleged victims and more credible allegations here, however.

I don't disagree with more victims.. not sure about how credible they are though.

[SHAFT]

Bullshit. If quantity made fact then the world would be flat, lemmings would migrate off cliffs and higher taxes would not drive businesses and jobs out of the US. So, yeah, bullshit. Facts make facts, numbers of questionable people making sad accusations after 20+ years to try and get money and publicity don't cut it as facts.

What's more likely: that every one of these ladies is lying or at least one is telling the truth and she was raped by bill Cosby?

[Jarvan]

What's more likely: that every one of these ladies is lying or at least one is telling the truth and she was raped by bill Cosby?

Without evidence... every one of them is lying is more likely.

How many people claimed that Elvis was the father of their child? How many of them have proven to be true?

So if 100 people came forward and said they were the love child of Bill Clinton, because there is so many, at least one of them would have to be telling the truth, right?

Numbers are not fact. All they do is sway public opinion, which is not fact, and can ruin honest people's lives.

[Warriorbird]

I don't disagree with more victims.. not sure about how credible they are though.

Just in the sense that Al Sharpton and a stripper aren't involved it is at the least somewhat more credible.

[SHAFT]

Well jarvan, I suppose it doesn't really matter, because evidence likely will never surface to incriminate Cosby. He's pretty much fucked in the court of public opinion however. Already he's having shows canceled.

As far as the Clinton-love child thing, that could be proven rather easily. I'm not certain it's comparable to a situation like cosby's.

[Parkbandit]

Just in the sense that Al Sharpton and a stripper aren't involved it is at the least somewhat more credible.

That's not setting the bar very high..

http://www.ohmagif.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/epic-pole-vault-fail.gif

[Jarvan]

Well jarvan, I suppose it doesn't really matter, because evidence likely will never surface to incriminate Cosby. He's pretty much fucked in the court of public opinion however. Already he's having shows canceled.

As far as the Clinton-love child thing, that could be proven rather easily. I'm not certain it's comparable to a situation like cosby's.

Ok... we will just use the tons of people that said Clinton Sexually assaulted them, or raped them. Apples to Apples then.

Of course i don't hear anyone on the left ever really damn Clinton or say "where there is smoke there must be fire".

[SHAFT]

I honestly don't know anything about the Clinton accusations. Never heard anything about them until now.

[Jarvan]

I honestly don't know anything about the Clinton accusations. Never heard anything about them until now.

Go figure.. I wonder ~WHY~ the Media wouldn't make a big deal about them......

[Ker_Thwap]

How the hell do people not know of Clinton's rape allegations? You people are as bad as the Texas Tech kids. Just to clarify, the press reported it, and reported it non stop. It still astounds me that people still believe that party represents women. (Not that either party does so, the Republicans are currently full of derp as well.)

[Jeril]

How the hell do people not know of Clinton's rape allegations? You people are as bad as the Texas Tech kids. Just to clarify, the press reported it, and reported it non stop. It still astounds me that people still believe that party represents women. (Not that either party does so, the Republicans are currently full of derp as well.)

I find it amusing that people think either party represents them.

[waywardgs]

I find it amusing that people think either party represents them.

^

[SHAFT]

Go figure.. I wonder ~WHY~ the Media wouldn't make a big deal about them......

Because he's white?

[waywardgs]

Because he's white?

Stop calling people out on their racism. It's just rude.

[SHAFT]

http://youtu.be/eJpAWTT_lFE

[waywardgs]

http://youtu.be/eJpAWTT_lFE

<3

[Methais]

I find it amusing that people think either party represents anybody. Except Back, he believes everything Democrats tell him.

Fixed.

[Methais]

Speaking of rape...

AS FERGUSON GETS READY TO BURN: SIX BLACK TEENS GANG RAPE 16-YEAR-OLD!

http://www.americasfreedomfighters.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Florida-Black-Teens-Gang-Rape.jpg

Every single day, I encounter an endless stream of articles and columns that go to great lengths to try and prove that black Americans face an endless onslaught of racism from the rest of the country. Why do so many blacks get arrested in Wisconsin? RACISM! Why do so many blacks in Ferguson get traffic tickets? RACISM! Why do some people support Officer Darren Wilson? RACISM! Why do some of us believe that blacks should stop proudly using the n-word? RACISM! Why did the chicken cross the road? RACISM!

The other constant, besides racism, is the stubborn unwillingness to confront (let alone acknowledge) black criminality. Just bringing up the fact that blacks commit more crime than anybody else is enough to get you labeled as a racist for life. Got to love it, right?

Anyway. According to the NY Daily News, six black high school students - Torreano Batton, 18, Tywuan Johnson, 17, Josea Sims, 17, Deoante Stewart, 17, Marquis Pierre, 16, and Tobert Aleaxander, 16 – “have been arrested in the brutal gang rape of a 16-year-old girl near their Central Florida school last week.”

The Orlando Sentinel adds the following about the gang rape:

“During the video you clearly hear [the victim] advise ‘no,’ [and] ‘she wants to go back to school’ and you hear the males keep asking and even say ‘it’s his birthday,’” the report said. “[The victim] continues to say no and appears to have a nervous laugh. The males are circling her and appear to be trying to intimidate her into performing the acts and keeping her from leaving.”

Meanwhile, the liberal mainstream media is busy painting a narrative about how black life is expendable, and about how all young black criminals are “gentle giants,” and about how everybody else in the country (besides their favorite minorities) can walk around freely without having to worry about being shot, being robbed, being raped, etc.

http://www.americasfreedomfighters.com/2014/11/21/as-ferguson-gets-ready-to-burn-six-black-teens-gang-rape-16-year-old/

I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that this one will be swept under the carpet.

PS: THEM NAMES!

[Warriorbird]

Speaking of rape...

AS FERGUSON GETS READY TO BURN: SIX BLACK TEENS GANG RAPE 16-YEAR-OLD!

http://www.americasfreedomfighters.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Florida-Black-Teens-Gang-Rape.jpg

Every single day, I encounter an endless stream of articles and columns that go to great lengths to try and prove that black Americans face an endless onslaught of racism from the rest of the country. Why do so many blacks get arrested in Wisconsin? RACISM! Why do so many blacks in Ferguson get traffic tickets? RACISM! Why do some people support Officer Darren Wilson? RACISM! Why do some of us believe that blacks should stop proudly using the n-word? RACISM! Why did the chicken cross the road? RACISM!

The other constant, besides racism, is the stubborn unwillingness to confront (let alone acknowledge) black criminality. Just bringing up the fact that blacks commit more crime than anybody else is enough to get you labeled as a racist for life. Got to love it, right?

Anyway. According to the NY Daily News, six black high school students - Torreano Batton, 18, Tywuan Johnson, 17, Josea Sims, 17, Deoante Stewart, 17, Marquis Pierre, 16, and Tobert Aleaxander, 16 – “have been arrested in the brutal gang rape of a 16-year-old girl near their Central Florida school last week.”

The Orlando Sentinel adds the following about the gang rape:

“During the video you clearly hear [the victim] advise ‘no,’ [and] ‘she wants to go back to school’ and you hear the males keep asking and even say ‘it’s his birthday,’” the report said. “[The victim] continues to say no and appears to have a nervous laugh. The males are circling her and appear to be trying to intimidate her into performing the acts and keeping her from leaving.”

Meanwhile, the liberal mainstream media is busy painting a narrative about how black life is expendable, and about how all young black criminals are “gentle giants,” and about how everybody else in the country (besides their favorite minorities) can walk around freely without having to worry about being shot, being robbed, being raped, etc.

http://www.americasfreedomfighters.com/2014/11/21/as-ferguson-gets-ready-to-burn-six-black-teens-gang-rape-16-year-old/

I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that this one will be swept under the carpet.

PS: THEM NAMES!

So because some black teenagers in a different state committed a crime, anything that happens to them elsewhere is okay?

Stunning logic.

[waywardgs]

So because some black teenagers in a different state committed a crime, anything that happens to them elsewhere is okay?

Stunning logic.

Makes sense to me. Methais is a racist.

And I just made his day!

[waywardgs]

Speaking of rape...

AS FERGUSON GETS READY TO BURN: SIX BLACK TEENS GANG RAPE 16-YEAR-OLD!

http://www.americasfreedomfighters.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Florida-Black-Teens-Gang-Rape.jpg

Every single day, I encounter an endless stream of articles and columns that go to great lengths to try and prove that black Americans face an endless onslaught of racism from the rest of the country. Why do so many blacks get arrested in Wisconsin? RACISM! Why do so many blacks in Ferguson get traffic tickets? RACISM! Why do some people support Officer Darren Wilson? RACISM! Why do some of us believe that blacks should stop proudly using the n-word? RACISM! Why did the chicken cross the road? RACISM!

The other constant, besides racism, is the stubborn unwillingness to confront (let alone acknowledge) black criminality. Just bringing up the fact that blacks commit more crime than anybody else is enough to get you labeled as a racist for life. Got to love it, right?

Anyway. According to the NY Daily News, six black high school students - Torreano Batton, 18, Tywuan Johnson, 17, Josea Sims, 17, Deoante Stewart, 17, Marquis Pierre, 16, and Tobert Aleaxander, 16 – “have been arrested in the brutal gang rape of a 16-year-old girl near their Central Florida school last week.”

The Orlando Sentinel adds the following about the gang rape:

“During the video you clearly hear [the victim] advise ‘no,’ [and] ‘she wants to go back to school’ and you hear the males keep asking and even say ‘it’s his birthday,’” the report said. “[The victim] continues to say no and appears to have a nervous laugh. The males are circling her and appear to be trying to intimidate her into performing the acts and keeping her from leaving.”

Meanwhile, the liberal mainstream media is busy painting a narrative about how black life is expendable, and about how all young black criminals are “gentle giants,” and about how everybody else in the country (besides their favorite minorities) can walk around freely without having to worry about being shot, being robbed, being raped, etc.

http://www.americasfreedomfighters.com/2014/11/21/as-ferguson-gets-ready-to-burn-six-black-teens-gang-rape-16-year-old/

I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that this one will be swept under the carpet.

PS: THEM NAMES!


Damn, dude. You visit the absolute worst websites on the internet. It's hilarious. I always wondered who actually clicked on some of the ridiculous shit I see. Now I know. It's Methais! Quoting articles written by "Dean James", evidently one of America's Freedom Fighters!! I was also offered an awesome secret about groceries, cheap pet food, and some kind of app. Hahahahaha! Delightful. Methais, you're "that guy". The one who gets suckered by clickbait. It's so fucking funny- but also really, really sad, dude.

Eta: I'm actually feeling bad for mocking you so much lately. It occurred to me that you may actually have some kind of brain damage, or perhaps a developmental disorder. If so, my apologies.

[Androidpk]

Damn, dude. You visit the absolute worst websites on the internet. It's hilarious. I always wondered who actually clicked on some of the ridiculous shit I see. Now I know. It's Methais! Quoting articles written by "Dean James", evidently one of America's Freedom Fighters!! I was also offered an awesome secret about groceries, cheap pet food, and some kind of app. Hahahahaha! Delightful. Methais, you're "that guy". The one who gets suckered by clickbait. It's so fucking funny- but also really, really sad, dude.

Eta: I'm actually feeling bad for mocking you so much lately. It occurred to me that you may actually have some kind of brain damage, or perhaps a developmental disorder. If so, my apologies.

So you're saying this rape didn't happen? Because a number of news sites are running it.

[waywardgs]

So you're saying this rape didn't happen? Because a number of news sites are running it.

No, the news itself is terrible and gross. But I'm just continually stunned by the laughable websites Methais is constantly visiting and quoting from. He's a joke. This is a crime, put into a context it has nothing to do with, by a fucking ridiculous website, and written by a guy who calls himself Dean James. If you can't see how insane this is then I can't help you, either.

[Jarvan]

So you're saying this rape didn't happen? Because a number of news sites are running it.

No, He is just saying that Methais uses some fucked up websites to get news.

Altho this rape didn't happen. Black kids don't do anything wrong. besides, it's not their fault anyway, the white man is keeping them down. It's also because of slavery too.

[SHAFT]

Dean james isn't real??? Holy fuck I can't trust anyone anymore!

[waywardgs]

No, He is just saying that Methais uses some fucked up websites to get news.

Altho this rape didn't happen. Black kids don't do anything wrong. besides, it's not their fault anyway, the white man is keeping them down. It's also because of slavery too.


Maybe Jarvan is Dean James!

[Methais]

So because some black teenagers in a different state committed a crime, anything that happens to them elsewhere is okay?

Stunning logic.

Yes, that's totally what I was getting at, and has nothing to do with the fact that you'd only hear about this story on the national stage if the rapists were white.

As usual, you are spot on with your assessments.

[SHAFT]

Maybe Jarvan is Dean James!

If Jarvan is Dean James, who is Ernest Hemingway?

[Methais]

Damn, dude. You visit the absolute worst websites on the internet. It's hilarious. I always wondered who actually clicked on some of the ridiculous shit I see. Now I know. It's Methais! Quoting articles written by "Dean James", evidently one of America's Freedom Fighters!! I was also offered an awesome secret about groceries, cheap pet food, and some kind of app. Hahahahaha! Delightful. Methais, you're "that guy". The one who gets suckered by clickbait. It's so fucking funny- but also really, really sad, dude.

Eta: I'm actually feeling bad for mocking you so much lately. It occurred to me that you may actually have some kind of brain damage, or perhaps a developmental disorder. If so, my apologies.

The fact that your answer to any news story you don't like is to deflect with LOLCLICKBAIT AND YOU'RE RACIST instead of addressing the actual content of the news story itself just shows what a fucking idiot you are.

If you consider that as mocking me, then I'd say you're the one with the brain damage.

Not that that's some new or shocking revelation around here or anything though.

[waywardgs]

The fact that your answer to any news story you don't like is to deflect with LOLCLICKBAIT AND YOU'RE RACIST instead of addressing the actual content of the news story itself just shows what a fucking idiot you are.

If you consider that as mocking me, then I'd say you're the one with the brain damage.

Not that that's some new or shocking revelation around here or anything though.

Delightful!

Half the shit you post is fabricated, the other half is culled from nonsensical clickbait agro conservative sites written by people working behind pseudonyms. Dude, you're a joke. You're the Back of the pc's little right wing circle jerk, but at least he doesn't have a track record of posting satire as truth.

[Methais]

Delightful!

Half the shit you post is fabricated, the other half is culled from nonsensical clickbait agro conservative sites written by people working behind pseudonyms. Dude, you're a joke. You're the Back of the pc's little right wing circle jerk, but at least he doesn't have a track record of posting satire as truth.

Funny you say that, since you've been keeping up with Back's level of stupid a lot lately.

But here you go, same story from another site that you can't lolclickbaitpseudonymauthor dry hump:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2841629/Six-teenage-football-players-arrested-alleged-gang-rape-16-year-old-girl-outside-Florida-high-school.html

[Back]

Speaking of rape...

AS FERGUSON GETS READY TO BURN: SIX BLACK TEENS GANG RAPE 16-YEAR-OLD!

And you wonder why people think you're racist?

[waywardgs]

Funny you say that, since you've been keeping up with Back's level of stupid a lot lately.

But here you go, same story from another site that you can't lolclickbaitpseudonymauthor dry hump:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2841629/Six-teenage-football-players-arrested-alleged-gang-rape-16-year-old-girl-outside-Florida-high-school.html


Progress! Ok, would you like to make a point? Why are you posting this article about this particular heinous crime?

[Methais]

And you wonder why people think you're racist?

I'm racist because 6 black dudes raped a 16 year old?

Gotcha.


Progress! Ok, would you like to make a point? Why are you posting this article about this particular heinous crime?

Because while the news is losing its shit over Bill Cosby and a bunch of decades old allegations with no evidence, stories like these are hardly a blip on the radar.

No wait, it's really just because I'm so racist, and if I wasn't then these dudes wouldn't be raping anybody!

[waywardgs]

I'm racist because 6 black dudes raped a 16 year old?

Gotcha.



Because while the news is losing its shit over Bill Cosby and a bunch of decades old allegations with no evidence, stories like these are hardly a blip on the radar.

No wait, it's really just because I'm so racist, and if I wasn't then these dudes wouldn't be raping anybody!

So... Your point is that you're angry that Bill Cosby is famous? Because that's why he's national news.

[Tisket]

Oh Methais....

[Methais]

So... Your point is that you're angry that Bill Cosby is famous? Because that's why he's national news.

Yes, totally.

[waywardgs]

Yes, totally.

If that's not it, then what is it? What's your point about the story you posted, Methais?

[Latrinsorm]

Of course i don't hear anyone on the left ever really damn Clinton or say "where there is smoke there must be fire".You don't hear them, and yet they exist.

[Methais]

If that's not it, then what is it? What's your point about the story you posted, Methais?

The point is that if it were 6 white dudes (unless they were raging lefties) gang raping someone (or an Uncle Tom like Bill Cosby who's already being labeled as guilty despite lack of any evidence) there would be torches and pitchforks and riots everywhere and it would be being run 24/7 on every channel.

But since it's some black dudes doing it, it's just "Oh, that's too bad. So what's for lunch?" and saying anything more than that is clearly just an indication of racism. Which retards like you never miss a beat with.

Now tell me what your point is, besides "Methais is racist!" and "clickbait!"

[waywardgs]

The point is that if it were 6 white dudes (unless they were raging lefties) gang raping someone (or an Uncle Tom like Bill Cosby who's already being labeled as guilty despite lack of any evidence) there would be torches and pitchforks and riots everywhere and it would be being run 24/7 on every channel.

But since it's some black dudes doing it, it's just "Oh, that's too bad. So what's for lunch?" and saying anything more than that is clearly just an indication of racism. Which retards like you never miss a beat with.

Now tell me what your point is, besides "Methais is racist!" and "clickbait!"

So you posted this story as an example of... What? Reverse racism?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
AAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!

Absolutely fantastic!!!! You are a fucking GEM!!!!

[waywardgs]

Seriously, I'm fucking dying over here. My sides hurt. Damn, keep it up, dude.

[Methais]

So you posted this story as an example of... What? Reverse racism?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
AAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!

Absolutely fantastic!!!! You are a fucking GEM!!!!

Bill Cosby is black, but he's an Uncle Tom, so he's fair game. How is that reverse racism?

What are your thoughts on the actual story?

[waywardgs]

Not quite. Bill Cosby is black, but he's an Uncle Tom, so he's fair game.

What are your thoughts on the actual story?

Sorry, still laughing, but my thought is that it's horrid and they should be locked away, and it's completely irrelevant to this thread and has nothing to do with Bill Cosby.

Fuck, you're one funny motherfucker.

Seriously. Tears. Too much, Methais, too much.

[Methais]

Sorry, still laughing, but my thought is that it's horrid and they should be locked away

So what's for lunch?


and it's completely irrelevant to this thread and has nothing to do with Bill Cosby.

Fuck, you're one funny motherfucker.

Seriously. Tears. Too much, Methais, too much.

I never said it had anything to do with Bill Cosby. I just find it funny how accusations against him with no evidence are being run 24/7 and real rape stories like this are mostly ignored or given minimal coverage, depending on who's doing the raping.

But you didn't like the site I linked originally and tried to invalidate the story's actual existence based on just that, and then had to change course when that didn't work out for you. Golly, that must mean I'm racist. :(

[waywardgs]

I never tried to "invalidate the story." The article, it's "author," and the website you linked was a fucking joke, though. It reflects on you, and you're hilarious, so keep it up!

[Androidpk]

No, the news itself is terrible and gross. But I'm just continually stunned by the laughable websites Methais is constantly visiting and quoting from. He's a joke. This is a crime, put into a context it has nothing to do with, by a fucking ridiculous website, and written by a guy who calls himself Dean James. If you can't see how insane this is then I can't help you, either.

Even if the website is ridiculous that doesn't detract from the story they wrote, which seems true. And Dean James? There are people named that so I'm not sure what your issue is.

[Methais]

I never tried to "invalidate the story." The article, it's "author," and the website you linked was a fucking joke, though. It reflects on you, and you're hilarious, so keep it up!

So you dry hump everything but the story itself, ignore the story that the article was about, and then you call me a joke, which is already funny on its own, considering that you're like second in command to Backlash on here.

[waywardgs]

Even if the website is ridiculous that doesn't detract from the story they wrote, which seems true. And Dean James? There are people named that so I'm not sure what your issue is.

That article was an op ed at best. It wasn't reporting.

[waywardgs]

So you dry hump everything but the story itself, ignore the story that the article was about, and then you call me a joke, which is already funny on its own, considering that you're like second in command to Backlash on here.

What can I say, I just don't often meet people who frequent garbage websites that offer grocery secrets and regularly get suckered by fake articles. You fascinate me. Like a car wreck.

[Back]

So you dry hump everything but the story itself, ignore the story that the article was about, and then you call me a joke, which is already funny on its own, considering that you're like second in command to Backlash on here.

That guy didn't write the story. The story appears in the Orlando Sentinal. What that guy did was go on a racist rant. The title is the giveaway.

AS FERGUSON GETS READY TO BURN: SIX BLACK TEENS GANG RAPE 16-YEAR-OLD!

These two things have absolutely nothing to do with each other. The title is the clickbait for people who want to feel that somehow an unarmed 17 year old Michael Brown's death was justified

[Androidpk]

I don't see anything racist about that headline.

[Warriorbird]

Yes, that's totally what I was getting at, and has nothing to do with the fact that you'd only hear about this story on the national stage if the rapists were white.

As usual, you are spot on with your assessments.

We'll go with the same liberal site you used and underline the "if a famous person/their relative was involved" point.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2489981/Roast-Busters-victim-reported-attack-told-asking-it.html

All of your "it's so hard being white!" nonsense is straight weakness.

[Methais]

What can I say, I just don't often meet people who frequent garbage websites that offer grocery secrets and regularly get suckered by fake articles. You fascinate me. Like a car wreck.

Well I mean if that helps you sleep at night. It doesn't make you any less of a retard, but as long as you're getting your sleep.

[Tgo01]

I'm still trying to keep up with all of these arguments.

First we have Methais is a racist because he mentioned a story about a rape receiving little news attention in a thread discussing why some allegations of rape/sexual assault receive lots of attention and some don't. You can't really say it's because Bill Cosby is famous because...Duke Lacross team? Oh wait, guess that makes me a racist for bringing up a story about a black woman making up a story about being raped by white men.

Then we have his news source is dubious? Okay, I mean, maybe. Granted I never heard of the site before we're using proof such as the guy's name is Dean James? Check the white pages sometime; there are plenty of Dean James out there.

Then after it turns out that this story is being reported in other, and quite real, news sites then we just keep pummeling the "Bad news site! BAD NEWS SITE!"

Then worst of all Methais was compared to Back. BACK?! That's hitting below the belt and requires an immediate apology.

[Methais]

That guy didn't write the story. The story appears in the Orlando Sentinal. What that guy did was go on a racist rant. The title is the giveaway.

AS FERGUSON GETS READY TO BURN: SIX BLACK TEENS GANG RAPE 16-YEAR-OLD!

These two things have absolutely nothing to do with each other. The title is the clickbait for people who want to feel that somehow an unarmed 17 year old Michael Brown's death was justified

Is Ferguson not getting ready to burn? Or are all those threats of more riots and killing whitey and all that shit if Wilson isn't indicted just staged by a bunch of crackers dressed up as black people to make them look bad?

I think the point of that headline is something you people like you morons can't stand, in that black people wanna complain about being victims of whitey all the time while they ignore black on black crime (I'm assuming their victim was black or the author would have spent half of the article talking about how the victim was white) which is what the majority of black victim crime consists of.

[Warriorbird]

I'm still trying to keep up with all of these arguments.

First we have Methais is a racist because he mentioned a story about a rape receiving little news attention in a thread discussing why some allegations of rape/sexual assault receive lots of attention and some don't. You can't really say it's because Bill Cosby is famous because...Duke Lacross team? Oh wait, guess that makes me a racist for bringing up a story about a black woman making up a story about being raped by white men.

Then we have his news source is dubious? Okay, I mean, maybe. Granted I never heard of the site before we're using proof such as the guy's name is Dean James? Check the white pages sometime; there are plenty of Dean James out there.

Then after it turns out that this story is being reported in other, and quite real, news sites then we just keep pummeling the "Bad news site! BAD NEWS SITE!"

Then worst of all Methais was compared to Back. BACK?! That's hitting below the belt and requires an immediate apology.

It'd likely help if you understood that there were different people saying different things about what Methais posted rather than merely trying to get people their "got called a racist" merit badge.

[Tisket]

I just find it funny how accusations against him with no evidence are being run 24/7 and real rape stories like this are mostly ignored or given minimal coverage, depending on who's doing the raping.

According to the Bureau of Justice statistics, blacks are six to seven times more likely to be victims of violent crime. Where's the coverage on that?

[Warriorbird]

Is Ferguson not getting ready to burn? Or are all those threats of more riots and killing whitey and all that shit if Wilson isn't indicted just staged by a bunch of crackers dressed up as black people to make them look bad?

I think the point of that headline is something you people like you morons can't stand, in that black people wanna complain about being victims of whitey all the time while they ignore black on black crime (I'm assuming their victim was black or the author would have spent half of the article talking about how the victim was white) which is what the majority of black victim crime consists of.

There we go. With your own actual words, we have you saying that since black people in another state committed an unrelated crime they shouldn't mind whatever happens to them in Missouri. Stunning logic.

[Androidpk]

I'm still trying to keep up with all of these arguments.

First we have Methais is a racist because he mentioned a story about a rape receiving little news attention in a thread discussing why some allegations of rape/sexual assault receive lots of attention and some don't. You can't really say it's because Bill Cosby is famous because...Duke Lacross team? Oh wait, guess that makes me a racist for bringing up a story about a black woman making up a story about being raped by white men.

Then we have his news source is dubious? Okay, I mean, maybe. Granted I never heard of the site before we're using proof such as the guy's name is Dean James? Check the white pages sometime; there are plenty of Dean James out there.

Then after it turns out that this story is being reported in other, and quite real, news sites then we just keep pummeling the "Bad news site! BAD NEWS SITE!"

Then worst of all Methais was compared to Back. BACK?! That's hitting below the belt and requires an immediate apology.

Sounds about right.

[Tisket]

What can I say, I just don't often meet people who frequent garbage websites that offer grocery secrets and regularly get suckered by fake articles. You fascinate me. Like a car wreck.

You are not contributing to the discussion by obsessing over his use of a trash reference.

[Methais]

According to the Bureau of Justice statistics, blacks are six to seven times more likely to be victims of violent crime. Where's the coverage on that?

It only gets covered when they're victims of white on black crime, because black on black crime doesn't fit the narrative enough to be covered.

[waywardgs]

According to the Bureau of Justice statistics, blacks are six to seven times more likely to be victims of violent crime. Where's the coverage on that?

SHUT YOUR FACE WITH YOUR DAMN NUMBERS, LATRINE!!!!11

[Tisket]

lol

[waywardgs]

You are not contributing to the discussion by obsessing over his use of a trash reference.

It's his MO. The content was garbage, the title was race baiting. It bothers me. Methais is like the Al Sharpton of the PC.

[Warriorbird]

It's his MO. The content was garbage, the title was race baiting. It bothers me. Methais is like the Al Sharpton of the PC.

Does it make me racist to want to see him photoshopped into white Al Sharpton?

[Tisket]

It's his MO. The content was garbage, the title was race baiting. It bothers me. Methais is like the Al Sharpton of the PC.

It was a poor choice but he did rectify it and provided another link.

[waywardgs]

Does it make me racist to want to see him photoshopped into white Al Sharpton?

No, but it should motivate you to do it.

[Methais]

There we go. With your own actual words, we have you saying that since black people in another state committed an unrelated crime they shouldn't mind whatever happens to them in Missouri. Stunning logic.

What are these own actual words of mine that you speak of? Because none of what you just said were my own actual words were any of my words at all. Not that we're not used to that from you anything though.

The post that you quoted was in response to Back busting a nut over the article's headline, which I'm sure you already knew.


That guy didn't write the story. The story appears in the Orlando Sentinal. What that guy did was go on a racist rant. The title is the giveaway.

AS FERGUSON GETS READY TO BURN: SIX BLACK TEENS GANG RAPE 16-YEAR-OLD!

These two things have absolutely nothing to do with each other. The title is the clickbait for people who want to feel that somehow an unarmed 17 year old Michael Brown's death was justified


You are not contributing to the discussion by obsessing over his use of a trash reference.

To be fair to him, he's never been known to contribute to anything.

[Tisket]

I am not defending his suppositions, only pointing out that belaboring his choice of reference derails the conversation.

[waywardgs]

I am not defending his suppositions, only pointing out that belaboring his choice of reference derails the conversation.

It wasn't a news story. It was an incendiary op ed attempting to draw a connection between a terrible crime and the events in furgeson based solely on race.

[Tisket]

To be fair to him, he's never been known to contribute to anything.

Actually, I've developed a grudging respect for his opinion. Some of them anyway.

[Warriorbird]

What are these own actual words of mine that you speak of? Because none of what you just said were my own actual words were any of my words at all. Not that we're not used to that from you anything though.



I think the point of that headline is something you people like you morons can't stand, in that black people wanna complain about being victims of whitey all the time while they ignore black on black crime (I'm assuming their victim was black or the author would have spent half of the article talking about how the victim was white) which is what the majority of black victim crime consists of.

Missed your whole second paragraph did you? I already quoted it. I get that you're trying to go with "Back said something extreme!" as a defense, but it doesn't really work for you here.

[Methais]

It's his MO. The content was garbage, the title was race baiting. It bothers me. Methais is like the Al Sharpton of the PC.

Why did it continue to bother you when I posted the other link? I know you have a massive boner for me, but you really should learn to control it sometime.

[SHAFT]

Why did it continue to bother you when I posted the other link? I know you have a massive boner for me, but you really should learn to control it sometime.

Boner and rectify said in the same thread! Holy Jesus am I getting hot!!!

[Methais]

It wasn't a news story. It was an incendiary op ed attempting to draw a connection between a terrible crime and the events in furgeson based solely on race.

Did you not notice the links in the article itself that linked to the story of the local news station covering it? Or did you just choose to ignore them?


Missed your whole second paragraph did you? I already quoted it. I get that you're trying to go with "Back said something extreme!" as a defense, but it doesn't really work for you here.

So what you're saying is that you don't understand the difference between "Here's what I am saying..." and "I think the point of that headline is...", right?

Right.

[Warriorbird]

So what you're saying is that you don't understand the difference between "Here's what I am saying..." and "I think the point of that headline is...", right?

Right.

Who exactly posted this article, thus espousing its viewpoint, in this thread?

[Methais]

Boner and rectify said in the same thread! Holy Jesus am I getting hot!!!

http://cdn.meme.am/images/47573.jpg

[Methais]

Who exactly posted this article, thus espousing its viewpoint, in this thread?

Which post was I responding to that you quoted and then proceeded to say, "There it is, in your own actual words!"?

[waywardgs]

Did you not notice the links in the article itself that linked to the story of the local news station covering it? Or did you just choose to ignore them?



So what you're saying is that you don't understand the difference between "Here's what I am saying..." and "I think the point of that headline is...", right?

Right.

You could have chosen any actual news article. You picked that one for a reason- and that's why I'm mocking you. Give me your address and I'll send you a hanky to cry in. But hurry, I've only got one left- I used the others to wipe away my own tears of laughter from earlier.

[SHAFT]

Hey Tisket, if I give you my cell number, will you leave me a voicemail where you say "rectify" in a really slow, sexy voice? It would really make my day. Maybe say it a few times?

[Methais]

Actually, I've developed a grudging respect for his opinion. Some of them anyway.

No you haven't.

http://i.imgur.com/to4ZTET.gif

[Warriorbird]

Which post was I responding to that you quoted and then proceeded to say, "There it is, in your own actual words!"?

All about this.


Speaking of rape...

AS FERGUSON GETS READY TO BURN: SIX BLACK TEENS GANG RAPE 16-YEAR-OLD!

http://www.americasfreedomfighters.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Florida-Black-Teens-Gang-Rape.jpg

Every single day, I encounter an endless stream of articles and columns that go to great lengths to try and prove that black Americans face an endless onslaught of racism from the rest of the country. Why do so many blacks get arrested in Wisconsin? RACISM! Why do so many blacks in Ferguson get traffic tickets? RACISM! Why do some people support Officer Darren Wilson? RACISM! Why do some of us believe that blacks should stop proudly using the n-word? RACISM! Why did the chicken cross the road? RACISM!

The other constant, besides racism, is the stubborn unwillingness to confront (let alone acknowledge) black criminality. Just bringing up the fact that blacks commit more crime than anybody else is enough to get you labeled as a racist for life. Got to love it, right?

Anyway. According to the NY Daily News, six black high school students - Torreano Batton, 18, Tywuan Johnson, 17, Josea Sims, 17, Deoante Stewart, 17, Marquis Pierre, 16, and Tobert Aleaxander, 16 – “have been arrested in the brutal gang rape of a 16-year-old girl near their Central Florida school last week.”

The Orlando Sentinel adds the following about the gang rape:

“During the video you clearly hear [the victim] advise ‘no,’ [and] ‘she wants to go back to school’ and you hear the males keep asking and even say ‘it’s his birthday,’” the report said. “[The victim] continues to say no and appears to have a nervous laugh. The males are circling her and appear to be trying to intimidate her into performing the acts and keeping her from leaving.”

Meanwhile, the liberal mainstream media is busy painting a narrative about how black life is expendable, and about how all young black criminals are “gentle giants,” and about how everybody else in the country (besides their favorite minorities) can walk around freely without having to worry about being shot, being robbed, being raped, etc.

http://www.americasfreedomfighters.com/2014/11/21/as-ferguson-gets-ready-to-burn-six-black-teens-gang-rape-16-year-old/

I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that this one will be swept under the carpet.

PS: THEM NAMES!

You post it. Your opinion.

[Methais]

You could have chosen any actual news article. You picked that one for a reason- and that's why I'm mocking you. Give me your address and I'll send you a hanky to cry in. But hurry, I've only got one left- I used the others to wipe away my own tears of laughter from earlier.

You should probably use it to wipe that jizz off of your face instead.

I actually didn't much give a fuck about what the author was saying, and especially wasn't like "Hmm, let me compare these multiple articles that I haven't read yet about the same story so I can choose the most racially incendiary one to post."

But I'll be sure to do that from now on just to watch you foam at the mouth. :)

[Tgo01]

All about this.



You post it. Your opinion.

Here is what you said in response to this article/Methais, I think you even said it twice now:


So because some black teenagers in a different state committed a crime, anything that happens to them elsewhere is okay?

Stunning logic.

I don't even think the article is saying that, much less did Methais. Pretty obvious the article is trying to say black on black crime is rarely covered, at least not to the degree when a pretty white girl is kidnapped or white on black crime is.

Tisket even posted earlier that blacks are 6 to 7 times more likely to be the victims of violent crime. Exactly. Most violent crimes committed against blacks are by blacks. Yet, like the opinion article states, black on black crime is rarely reported on.

I'm just assuming the victim in the article is black of course. If it was a pretty white girl it probably would be headline news right now.

[SHAFT]

Tgo, I like to think of you as a pretty white girl. Hi.

[Tgo01]

Tgo, I like to think of you as a pretty white girl. Hi.

Sup.

[Methais]

That guy didn't write the story. The story appears in the Orlando Sentinal. What that guy did was go on a racist rant. The title is the giveaway.

AS FERGUSON GETS READY TO BURN: SIX BLACK TEENS GANG RAPE 16-YEAR-OLD!

These two things have absolutely nothing to do with each other. The title is the clickbait for people who want to feel that somehow an unarmed 17 year old Michael Brown's death was justified


Is Ferguson not getting ready to burn? Or are all those threats of more riots and killing whitey and all that shit if Wilson isn't indicted just staged by a bunch of crackers dressed up as black people to make them look bad?

I think the point of that headline is something you people like you morons can't stand, in that black people wanna complain about being victims of whitey all the time while they ignore black on black crime (I'm assuming their victim was black or the author would have spent half of the article talking about how the victim was white) which is what the majority of black victim crime consists of.


There we go. With your own actual words, we have you saying that since black people in another state committed an unrelated crime they shouldn't mind whatever happens to them in Missouri. Stunning logic.


What are these own actual words of mine that you speak of? Because none of what you just said were my own actual words were any of my words at all. Not that we're not used to that from you anything though.

The post that you quoted was in response to Back busting a nut over the article's headline, which I'm sure you already knew.


You post it. Your opinion.

Wait, what happened to "With my own actual words."?

[Methais]

Tgo, I like to think of you as a pretty white girl. Hi.

He did tell me last night that he's always keeping an eye out for my rod...

[Warriorbird]

Wait, what happened to "With my own actual words."?

Already quoted and bolded.

[waywardgs]

You should probably use it to wipe that jizz off of your face instead.

I actually didn't much give a fuck about what the author was saying, and especially wasn't like "Hmm, let me compare these multiple articles that I haven't read yet about the same story so I can choose the most racially incendiary one to post."

But I'll be sure to do that from now on just to watch you foam at the mouth. :)

Watch your step, wouldn't want you to trip and hit your head while back pedaling!

[Methais]

Already quoted and bolded.

Just because you say it's so doesn't mean it makes it so.

Here, let me show you again. I'll use bolds too so now we can be bold pals!


I think the point of that headline is something you people like you morons can't stand, in that black people wanna complain about being victims of whitey all the time while they ignore black on black crime (I'm assuming their victim was black or the author would have spent half of the article talking about how the victim was white) which is what the majority of black victim crime consists of.


Watch your step, wouldn't want you to trip and hit your head while back pedaling!

I don't know who's more delusional in this thread, you or WB.

You're both making Back look reasonable. I mean it could be because Back has only posted once, but that's still usually all it takes.

[Warriorbird]

Just because you say it's so doesn't mean it makes it so.

Here, let me show you again. I'll use bolds too so now we can be bold pals!

Who posted the headline again? Or do I have to quote that a second time too?

[Methais]

Who posted the headline again? Or do I have to quote that a second time too?

I'm sorry, I didn't realize that posting someone else's words makes them my own words.

Hey wait, if me quoting the article = in my own words, that means you quoting me quoting the article = the same thing being in your own words!

Look!
http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?93447-Bill-Cosby-s-legacy-going-down-the-crapper&p=1722655#post1722655

You dirty racist you.

[Warriorbird]

I'm sorry, I didn't realize that posting someone else's words makes them my own words.

Hey wait, if me quoting the article = in my own words, that means you quoting me quoting the article = the same thing being in your own words!

Look!
http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?93447-Bill-Cosby-s-legacy-going-down-the-crapper&p=1722655#post1722655

You dirty racist you.

This might not be the greatest backpedal in the world. This might be just a tribute.

[Back]

Is Ferguson not getting ready to burn? Or are all those threats of more riots and killing whitey and all that shit if Wilson isn't indicted just staged by a bunch of crackers dressed up as black people to make them look bad?

I think the point of that headline is something you people like you morons can't stand, in that black people wanna complain about being victims of whitey all the time while they ignore black on black crime (I'm assuming their victim was black or the author would have spent half of the article talking about how the victim was white) which is what the majority of black victim crime consists of.

So it is a criticism of the black community in your own words. What makes you think the black community ignores black on black crime?

[Parkbandit]

So wait.. if we post a link to an article.. then automatically that means we agree with that article and therefore that is our opinion and our words?

[Methais]

This might not be the greatest backpedal in the world. This might be just a tribute.

Let's see...

First everything I say is racist, even if it's something I don't say.

Then when I tell you how stupid you are after you take someone else's words and say it's my own words, I'm backpedaling.

Here, let me put it into my own words:

Almost nobody in the black community seems to give a shit enough about black on black crime to protest or rally or riot or whatever, but if a white person even farts in the general direction of a black person, it's racism and the sky is falling.

Now you know the difference between "I think the point of that headline is..." and "Here's what I think in my own words..."

I'm sure that just means I'm being racist though, so feel free to a) explain how that's so racist and then b) tell me when the last time black on black crime got national attention and was blown up almost 24/7 by the mainstream media.

Would Ferguson be "getting ready to burn" if Darren Wilson was black?

[Tgo01]

What makes you think the black community ignores black on black crime?

When was the last time the black community rioted or black leaders made national headline news when it was about black on black crime?

[Warriorbird]

Let's see...

First everything I say is racist, even if it's something I don't say.

Then when I tell you how stupid you are after you take someone else's words and say it's my own words, I'm backpedaling.

Here, let me put it into my own words:

Almost nobody in the black community seems to give a shit enough about black on black crime to protest or rally or riot or whatever, but if a white person even farts in the general direction of a black person, it's racism and the sky is falling.

Now you know the difference between "I think the point of that headline is..." and "Here's what I think in my own words..."

I'm sure that just means I'm being racist though, so feel free to a) explain how that's so racist and then b) tell me when the last time a black on black rape/murder got national attention and was blown up almost 24/7 by the mainstream media.

Would Ferguson be "getting ready to burn" if Darren Wilson was black?

Please get back to me when I've actually said "you're a racist" in this thread. I said you were afraid. You disagreed.

If you post an article as your contribution it's the most laughable nonsense to then pretend it isn't your point of view.

Now, as for the rest of your post?

What exactly makes you qualified to know that black people don't "give a shit enough about black on black crime to protest or rally or riot"?

Exactly how many mainstream media companies are owned by black people?

How is that somehow black people's fault?

How exactly is you being envious of all the privileges you think black people get not pathetic?

[Tgo01]

What exactly makes you qualified to know that black people don't "give a shit enough about black on black crime to protest or rally or riot"?

Because...they...don't? Is this a trick question?

[Warriorbird]

Because...they...don't? Is this a trick question?

It'd be really striking if this were true. It isn't.

Here's an example from a local tv station so you don't claim my sources are biased.

http://koin.com/2014/08/24/take-back-the-streets-ride-addresses-gang-violence/

An ongoing example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_the_Violence_Movement

More recent

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Interrupters

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cure_Violence

The most popular lyrical rapper in recent history

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tM6seEs7wgs

The original, Self Destruction

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmX5TgWsfEQ

Influential Black Hollywood figures?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1jeyhgUt4c

[Tgo01]

It'd be really striking if this were true. It isn't.

Here's an example from a local tv station so you don't claim my sources are biased.

http://koin.com/2014/08/24/take-back-the-streets-ride-addresses-gang-violence/

An ongoing example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_the_Violence_Movement

More recent

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Interrupters

The most popular lyrical rapper in recent history


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tM6seEs7wgs

So there are a few organizations out there with very broad goals of stopping violence in the black community or stopping gang violence. No riots or protests to very specific crimes committed by blacks or against blacks by other blacks?

[Methais]

So there are a few organizations out there with very broad goals of stopping violence in the black community or stopping gang violence. No riots or protests to very specific crimes committed by blacks or against blacks by other blacks?

But they were on the local news! If you think that's different than being all over the 24/7 news cycle then it's only because you're racist!

[Tgo01]

With that said, we can play with your shifting goal posts too.

Shifting goal posts. Please. Your examples is like saying the white community cares about poverty in third world countries because there are some organizations run by white people dedicated to helping poverty in third world countries. I can guarantee you the white community as a whole could care less.


Specific:

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/article1957480.html
http://www.mlive.com/news/saginaw/index.ssf/2010/10/stop_the_violence_march_seeks.html
http://posttrib.suntimes.com/photos/galleries/11491127-417/help-us-stop-the-killing-gary-officials-residents-implore.html
http://fort-greene.thelocal.nytimes.com/2012/04/02/hundreds-march-through-fort-greene-to-stop-the-violence/

Okay so there are a few examples where they held rallies in regards to specific crimes, although they were mostly about violence in general, and I can't help but notice that one rally referenced Trayvon Martin.

Regardless, these all appear to be one day rallies. Where are the month long rallies? Where are the stories of blacks coming from out of state to join in these protests? Where are the riots? Where is everything that is missing from cases like Ferguson?

Black on black crime is mostly ignored. You can't deny this. You managed to point to a few specific examples where the local community and the family members of the victims responded. Well of course!

You then go on to list Al Sharpton...AL SHARPTON!...and yet another "cause" he's fighting for to bring more attention to his meandering bullshit. Yet again with another very vague "Take back the streets" bullshit hype.

Why isn't he shaming particular black criminals? Why isn't he out there screaming "Justice for <insert name here>"? He seems to save all of that for black victims when the accused is white.

You can try to explain all of this away by saying the media just doesn't give a shit, and I agree they don't, but the sad fact of the matter is most people don't give a shit, including the black community, and that's a shame.

[Tgo01]

You can try to explain all of this away by saying the media just doesn't give a shit, and I agree they don't, but the sad fact of the matter is most people don't give a shit, including the black community, and that's a shame.

As a perfect example to illustrate this let's look at Donald Sterling; he was accused over and over again and was even brought into court for his housing discrimination and the shitty way he treated his black tenants and no one gave a flying fuck about any of that. Suddenly he says something in private to his girlfriend that might be construed as racist and HOLY SHIT! Let's burn the man at the stake.

While crimes, actual fucking crimes, went largely ignored and unnoticed.

[Warriorbird]

Shifting goal posts. Please. Your examples is like saying the white community cares about poverty in third world countries because there are some organizations run by white people dedicated to helping poverty in third world countries. I can guarantee you the white community as a whole could care less.

Okay so there are a few examples where they held rallies in regards to specific crimes, although they were mostly about violence in general, and I can't help but notice that one rally referenced Trayvon Martin.

Regardless, these all appear to be one day rallies. Where are the month long rallies? Where are the stories of blacks coming from out of state to join in these protests? Where are the riots? Where is everything that is missing from cases like Ferguson?

Black on black crime is mostly ignored. You can't deny this. You managed to point to a few specific examples where the local community and the family members of the victims responded. Well of course!

You then go on to list Al Sharpton...AL SHARPTON!...and yet another "cause" he's fighting for to bring more attention to his meandering bullshit. Yet again with another very vague "Take back the streets" bullshit hype.

Why isn't he shaming particular black criminals? Why isn't he out there screaming "Justice for <insert name here>"? He seems to save all of that for black victims when the accused is white.

You can try to explain all of this away by saying the media just doesn't give a shit, and I agree they don't, but the sad fact of the matter is most people don't give a shit, including the black community, and that's a shame.

http://ethicsforadversaries.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/moving-the-goalposts1.jpeg

So now our new goal is long term efforts that have to do with specific crimes by black people on black people? Pretty attenuated on your part.

People have been commemorating Malcolm X for quite a long time. (Though, in your defense, these people only seem to have been doing it since the Spike Lee movie.)

http://www.mxcc519.org/

20 years after the LA Riots, trying to make sure they don't happen again.

http://www.museumoftolerance.com/site/c.tmL6KfNVLtH/b.8030513/

15 years of direct action at stopping community violence and working for academic success. (It was actually created in response to a white guy shooting up a Jewish community center though.)

http://www.wcjb.com/local-news/2014/08/15th-annual-stop-violence-rally
http://www.inticketing.com/evinfo.php?eventid=366514&viewit=1
http://pavingpeace.org/

Most people "don't care" about the problems of any community. You can't argue that none do, however.

[Tgo01]

Alright WB. I'm not going to try and convince you people care about the crimes commited against blacks except for certain cases. The evidence is all around you. It's been going on for decades with no signs of letting up any time soon.

You can choose to believe otherwise though. It's your right as an American after all.

[Latrinsorm]

Alright WB. I'm not going to try and convince you people care about the crimes commited against blacks except for certain cases. The evidence is all around you. It's been going on for decades with no signs of letting up any time soon.

You can choose to believe otherwise though. It's your right as an American after all.I count 26 citations from WB and 1 from you. Evidence, indeed!

[Warriorbird]

Alright WB. I'm not going to try and convince you people care about the crimes commited against blacks except for certain cases. The evidence is all around you. It's been going on for decades with no signs of letting up any time soon.

You can choose to believe otherwise though. It's your right as an American after all.

And here I thought this was about you and others telling black people about how bad they are for protesting Ferguson, which'd be a certain case. We had you claim that black people never protested black on black crime. Kinda didn't work out too well for you there.

This is especially ironic, for you, as a white person, because when the white community protests gun violence, where exactly are you on that?


As a perfect example to illustrate this let's look at Donald Sterling; he was accused over and over again and was even brought into court for his housing discrimination and the shitty way he treated his black tenants and no one gave a flying fuck about any of that. Suddenly he says something in private to his girlfriend that might be construed as racist and HOLY SHIT! Let's burn the man at the stake.

While crimes, actual fucking crimes, went largely ignored and unnoticed.

You are aware of the error here? He was brought to court, ergo people cared.

[Androidpk]

When white people protest gun violence do they rob convenience stores?

[Tgo01]

I count 26 citations from WB and 1 from you. Evidence, indeed!

My citations are all that matters.

[Warriorbird]

When white people protest gun violence do they rob convenience stores?

Nah. Only when they protest income inequality, the WTO, and the like.


I count 26 citations from WB and 1 from you. Evidence, indeed!

My citations are all that matters.

Why I don't put too much effort into most of my posts 101.

[Tgo01]

Just amazes me that your white guilt is so great you have convinced yourself that anyone cares about crimes in the black community and insist it's all the media's fault.

[Androidpk]

I don't recall occupy wall street protesters looting stores.

[Warriorbird]

I don't recall occupy wall street protesters looting stores.

Occupy Seattle and Occupy Oakland. Looted/vandalized stores and mugged several people. Set fires. Seattle looting was much worse during the 1999 WTO protests, but some of the same people were involved.


Just amazes me that your white guilt is so great you have convinced yourself that anyone cares about crimes in the black community and insist it's all the media's fault.

Get back to me when those people aren't people. Oh wait, they aren't people to you already?

[Tgo01]

Get back to me when those people aren't people. Oh wait, they aren't people to you already?

Give me a break. You and Latrin's "26 citations" bullshit. You need me to cite some examples of black on black crime that goes largely unnoticed? Fine. All of Detroit, all of Oakland, the black communities in LA and Chicago. I just listed literally thousands of examples over the course of the past few decades. Far more than your 26 examples. If you actually need me to cite specific examples in the above list then you're just proving my point that no one cares.

You keep posting local examples that barely got any local attention at all. Off the top of my head I can go ahead and list 4 examples of cases that received widespread, national coverage over the course of several weeks/months or longer:

Rodney King
Ferguson
Trayvon Martin
Donald Sterling

3 of which happened in the past couple of years. What did all of these have in common? White on black crimes (except Donald Sterling's crimes of course, no one cares about poor black people, just his comments towards rich black people.)

The black community is being used by leaders of the black community to line their own pockets and by Democrats to keep themselves in office. Simple as that. But it is easier to paint someone as the racist who tries to mention this simple fact.

[Warriorbird]

Give me a break. You and Latrin's "26 citations" bullshit. You need me to cite some examples of black on black crime that goes largely unnoticed? Fine. All of Detroit, all of Oakland, the black communities in Oakland and Chicago. I just listed literally thousands of examples over the course of the past few decades. Far more than your 26 examples. If you actually need me to cite specific examples in the above list then you're just proving my point that no one cares.

You keep posting local examples that barely got any local attention at all. Off the top of my head I can go ahead and list 4 examples of cases that received widespread, national coverage over the course of several weeks/months or longer:

Rodney King
Ferguson
Trayvon Martin
Donald Sterling

3 of which happened in the past couple of years. What did all of these have in common? White on black crimes (except Donald Sterling's crimes of course, no one cares about poor black people, just his comments towards rich black people.)

The black community is being used by leaders of the black community to line their own pockets and by Democrats to keep themselves in office. Simple as that. But it is easier to paint someone as the racist who tries to mention this simple fact.

Egads, it's like I didn't reference several of those communities in the course of you declaring them unimportant and "local."

To highlight it again though. You said "nobody cares." At least some people clearly do.

[Tgo01]

Egads, it's like I didn't reference several of those communities in the course of you declaring them unimportant and "local."

To highlight it again though. You said "nobody cares." At least some people clearly do.

I'm using hyperbole to illustrate my point. Obviously some people care but it's not nearly enough. Nowhere close to being enough.

[Warriorbird]

I'm using hyperbole to illustrate my point. Obviously some people care but it's not nearly enough. Nowhere close to being enough.

I'm glad you feel in such a comfortable position to judge their community and tell them what they're doing wrong and how bad they are at it.

[Tgo01]

I'm glad you feel in such a comfortable position to judge their community and tell them what they're doing wrong and how bad they are at it.

Anytime.

I guess the better solution is to sit back and do nothing and watch as nothing changes for the better. Once again, it's easier to mock the person pointing all of this out rather than point the finger where it needs to be pointed at.

[Warriorbird]

Anytime.

I guess the better solution is to sit back and do nothing and watch as nothing changes for the better. Once again, it's easier to mock the person pointing all of this out rather than point the finger where it needs to be pointed at.

You actually think you're pointing out something that these people don't know? You're advocating solutions?

Oh you noble right wing hero.

[Tgo01]

You actually think you're pointing out something that these people don't know? You're advocating solutions?

I'm sure the black community knows no one gives a shit; I'm pointing this out to the people who think anyone gives a shit.


Oh you noble right wing hero.

What have you or the Democrats done for the black community?

[Warriorbird]

I'm sure the black community knows no one gives a shit; I'm pointing this out to the people who think anyone gives a shit.



What have you or the Democrats done for the black community?

Under Obama, the Democrats expanded federal student aid, the Pell Grant program, and provided the ability for my students to have an associates degree by the time they graduate high school.

For myself, I could coast on my family for life if I wanted to act like a Republican.

Instead I build homes with Habitat. I teach in a historically disadvantaged community (massive resistance closed schools here and inequalities continue) and work to make lives better for all of my students every day.

What do you do?

[Tgo01]

I could coast on my family for life if I wanted to act like a Republican.

Instead I build homes with Habitat. I teach in a historically disadvantaged community (massive resistance closed schools here and inequalities continue) and work to make lives better for all of my students every day.

Well good for you.

Meanwhile thousands of blacks are murdered every year, blacks have the highest unemployment, highest poverty rate, highest criminal rate and lowest education rate. What are Democrats doing to help all of this? Don't bother answering, it's a rhetorical question.

[Warriorbird]

Well good for you.

Meanwhile thousands of blacks are murdered every year, blacks have the highest unemployment, highest poverty rate, highest criminal rate and lowest education rate. What are Democrats doing to help all of this? Don't bother answering, it's a rhetorical question.

I guess I didn't edit quickly enough for you.


Under Obama, the Democrats expanded federal student aid, expanded the Pell Grant program, and provided the ability for my students to have an associates degree by the time they graduate high school.

I see those things work every day.

What would the Republicans do? Nothing. This is another instance of you faulting Democrats for not being progressive enough while you cling to a party that cares even less while you throw judgement on these people.

[Tgo01]

I guess I didn't edit quickly enough for you.



I see those things work every day.

What would the Republicans do? Nothing. This is another instance of you faulting Democrats for not being progressive enough while you cling to a party that cares even less while you throw judgement on these people.

So Democrats indirectly helped black students who are already serious about furthering their education? Nothing else? That's all you can think of?

And what Republicans do or do not do is irrelevant; they aren't the ones claiming to be the only party who look out for minorities in order to get their votes then ignore them as soon as they are in office.

[Warriorbird]

So Democrats indirectly helped black students who are already serious about furthering their education? Nothing else? That's all you can think of?

And what Republicans do or do not do is irrelevant; they aren't the ones claiming to be the only party who look out for minorities in order to get their votes then ignore them as soon as they are in office.

Do you want me to make another list post for you to whine about? You've already shown you don't like facts and citations. I might as well. Then you can come up with some more handwaving nonsense and use "hyperbole" as an excuse for statements that are clearly untrue.

The Republican Party is most certainly relevant when they are an option in a political discussion. This isn't some magical place where Republicans get to insult Democrats forever without proposing any ideas of their own.

[Warriorbird]

Let's get started.

Recent Democratic specifics:

The whole "black employment!" hand wave is a bit off basehttp://www.factcheck.org/2013/12/rand-paul-obama-black-unemployment/
Working families pay less in taxes http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/robert-schlesinger/2011/02/08/under-obama-taxes-reach-lowest-level-since-truman
His effort in education are slightly more involved than just helping students who want to go to college http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/education
Obama is just like Reagan on unemployment http://qz.com/275878/obama-is-just-as-good-as-reagan-at-cutting-unemployment/