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Candor
10-30-2014, 03:38 AM
FORT KENT, Maine (AP) -- A nurse who treated Ebola patients in West Africa vowed on Wednesday to end her voluntary quarantine, even going so far as to step out of her home and shake a reporter's hand, signaling a showdown with state police monitoring her and state officials seeking to legally enforce her confinement.

Kaci Hickox broke her quarantine by stepping outside with her boyfriend and speaking briefly to reporters Wednesday night. State and local police could only watch from across the street because a judge hadn't signed off on a court order sought by state health officials.

Hickox, who has shown no symptoms of Ebola, told NBC's "Today" show and ABC's "Good Morning America" earlier that she planned to defy the state's voluntary quarantine.

"I remain appalled by these home quarantine policies that have been forced upon me even though I am in perfectly good health," Hickox said on "Today."

One of her lawyers, Norman Siegel, said she isn't willing to cooperate further unless the state lifts "all or most of the restrictions." But state officials continued to assert that she should remain in isolation until Nov. 10, the end of the 21-day incubation period for Ebola.

A judge would have to grant the state's request in what could serve as a test as to the legality of state quarantines during the Ebola scare.

Until an order is signed by a judge, state police will monitor Hickox's movement and interactions if she leaves her home but can't physically detain her, said Department of Health and Human Services Commissioner Mary Mayhew.

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Another liberal loonytunes wanting her 15 minutes of fame, but this one might directly cause people to die. So much for bleeding hearts and compassion.

Tenlaar
10-30-2014, 03:49 AM
Already being discussed in the ebola thread. Also, it seems like you don't know how ebola works.

Candor
10-30-2014, 04:18 AM
Already being discussed in the ebola thread. Also, it seems like you don't know how ebola works.

Yeah I guess the people wanting to quarantine her don't understand that either (or maybe they understand some things you don't?). But I'll move my concerns to the other thread.

Tenlaar
10-30-2014, 04:24 AM
Hurry so I can reply before I go to bed!

Tgo01
10-30-2014, 12:05 PM
Still talking to reporters and lawyers even though she's no longer under forced isolation? I guess I was wrong all along, she's not just some self centered, selfish bitch after all :O

Ker_Thwap
10-30-2014, 12:09 PM
Good for her. Science prevails.

Tgo01
10-30-2014, 12:23 PM
Good for her. Science prevails.

Science is where we got the 21 day isolation period :/

Tenlaar
10-30-2014, 12:23 PM
Still talking to reporters and lawyers even though she's no longer under forced isolation? I guess I was wrong all along, she's not just some self centered, selfish bitch after all :O

You are aware that nothing has actually changed yet, right? The state said yesterday that they would seek a court order to involuntarily quarantine her if she left her house, which she did this morning for a bike ride...with state troopers following her the whole time.

Tgo01
10-30-2014, 12:26 PM
You are aware that nothing has actually changed yet, right? The state said yesterday that they would seek a court order to involuntarily quarantine her if she left her house, which she did this morning for a bike ride...with state troopers following her the whole time.

Going from being under mandatory isolation to not being under mandatory isolation means nothing has changed?

Her story was dropping off the headlines because she was no long under mandatory isolation and instead was under self imposed isolation so she thought "Wait! I like my name in the news! Let me break off my self imposed isolation for absolutely no reason!"

Like I said all of the evidence is right there in front of you. Don't hate me because you can't see it :(

Ker_Thwap
10-30-2014, 12:40 PM
Science is where we got the 21 day isolation period :/

They are not contagious during the incubation period.
They are not contagious during the incubation period.
They are not contagious during the incubation period.

She's a nurse, if she starts developing a low grade fever, then she still has plenty of time to get isolated.

Tgo01
10-30-2014, 12:41 PM
They are not contagious during the incubation period.
They are not contagious during the incubation period.
They are not contagious during the incubation period.

She's a nurse, if she starts developing a low grade fever, then she still has plenty of time to get isolated.

Regardless we got the 21 days isolation from experts, it's not like some government official just made it up one day.

Fallen
10-30-2014, 01:06 PM
It's based on the longest recorded length of time a person has gone from exposure to sickness from Ebola. It's the absolute end of the disease range.

Tenlaar
10-30-2014, 01:08 PM
Going from being under mandatory isolation to not being under mandatory isolation means nothing has changed?

It's like you haven't even read a single article. Saying "your quarantine is totally voluntary unless you don't do it, then we'll try to make you" is attempting mandatory quarantine - either through threats or court orders. The experts do NOT recommend a "21 day isolation period" for her in any way, they recommend daily active monitoring. Travel restrictions (which just means not using public mass transportation) and public activity restrictions are on a case by case basis and have not been deemed necessary. Isolation is only for sick people who 100% confirmed have ebola.

This entire thing is exactly about politicians making up extra guidelines beyond what the actual health experts recommend because fear.

Latrinsorm
10-30-2014, 01:09 PM
Regardless we got the 21 days isolation from experts, it's not like some government official just made it up one day.You'd be surprised.

Tgo01
10-30-2014, 01:19 PM
It's like you haven't even read a single article. Saying "your quarantine is totally voluntary unless you don't do it, then we'll try to make you" is attempting mandatory quarantine - either through threats or court orders. The experts do NOT recommend a "21 day isolation period" for her in any way, they recommend daily active monitoring. Travel restrictions (which just means not using public mass transportation) and public activity restrictions are on a case by case basis and have not been deemed necessary. Isolation is only for sick people who 100% confirmed have ebola.

This entire thing is exactly about politicians making up extra guidelines beyond what the actual health experts recommend because fear.

Please. The experts were the one who recommend the 21 day isolation, some experts even recommend longer. These same experts are now acting flabbergasted when the government listened.

Tgo01
10-30-2014, 01:19 PM
You'd be surprised.

Oh yeah, wise guy? Surprise me.

Tisket
10-30-2014, 01:23 PM
Oh yeah, wise guy? Surprise me.

Latrinsorm doesn't clarify, he complicates.

You must be new here.

Tenlaar
10-30-2014, 01:24 PM
Isolation separates sick people who are confirmed to have a contagious disease from people who are not sick.

Again, isolation is for PEOPLE WHO HAVE EBOLA.

Tgo01
10-30-2014, 01:25 PM
Again, isolation is for PEOPLE WHO HAVE EBOLA.

Uh? Is that CDC's definition of isolation or something?

Tenlaar
10-30-2014, 01:26 PM
Yes. You keep saying isolation, and that is only for people confirmed to have ebola.

Ker_Thwap
10-30-2014, 01:36 PM
Uh? Is that CDC's definition of isolation or something?

Isolation is the medical term. Quarantine is the historical term holding ships in harbor for 40 days to prevent the spread of the black death, back before modern medical procedures existed in some countries. If you hear quarantine in the news, chances are that it's some sensationalist crap trying to sell advertising.

Latrinsorm
10-30-2014, 02:34 PM
Latrinsorm doesn't clarify, he complicates.

You must be new here.But in a clarificationous way!

Gelston
10-30-2014, 04:03 PM
Isolation is the medical term. Quarantine is the historical term holding ships in harbor for 40 days to prevent the spread of the black death, back before modern medical procedures existed in some countries. If you hear quarantine in the news, chances are that it's some sensationalist crap trying to sell advertising.

It is called controlled access now, per the Department of Defense. God people, get with the times.

Atlanteax
10-30-2014, 04:26 PM
Why will this nurse not volunteer her time in urban Chicago or some place in the US where people have insufficient health care?

Is she just un-American with her apparent indifference to other citizens' well-being?

Gelston
10-30-2014, 04:29 PM
Why will this nurse not volunteer her time in urban Chicago or some place in the US where people have insufficient health care?

Is she just un-American with her apparent indifference to other citizens' well-being?

I'd say her going over there and helping is a learning experience that gives her (and others that travel) practical knowledge on exotic diseases. Who do you think will be the expert if a major outbreak (of anything) were to happen here? The people who stayed here and just learned from books, or the people that went over and has seen it before in the flesh?

Gelston
10-30-2014, 04:30 PM
Speaking of quarantine, did we have those for Swine Flu? Over 12,000 people died from that shit in the US alone.

~Rocktar~
10-30-2014, 04:46 PM
Why will this nurse not volunteer her time in urban Chicago or some place in the US where people have insufficient health care?


While this is a valid point and could be argued for all kinds of things like foreign aid, church missionaries and so on, likely it would be better for another thread. And I agree, there is enough to do here within 5-10 miles of most every person's house to fill a lifetime of charity work. I don't feel it's un-American, I do feel these kinds of things are a little misplaced.

Latrinsorm
10-30-2014, 06:09 PM
Why will this nurse not volunteer her time in urban Chicago or some place in the US where people have insufficient health care?

Is she just un-American with her apparent indifference to other citizens' well-being?I don't have access to her personal records, but the charity she went to Africa with has worked in the United States as recently as 2012 (http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/country-region/united-states-america).
While this is a valid point and could be argued for all kinds of things like foreign aid, church missionaries and so on, likely it would be better for another thread. And I agree, there is enough to do here within 5-10 miles of most every person's house to fill a lifetime of charity work. I don't feel it's un-American, I do feel these kinds of things are a little misplaced.Then again, if an hour of her time would save 20 lives in Africa and 1 life in America, which is the proper place for that hour to be spent?

Gelston
10-30-2014, 06:11 PM
I don't have access to her personal records, but the charity she went to Africa with has worked in the United States as recently as 2012 (http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/country-region/united-states-america).Then again, if an hour of her time would save 20 lives in Africa and 1 life in America, which is the proper place for that hour to be spent?

1 American life > 20 African/European/Asian/Australian lives.

Androidpk
10-30-2014, 06:11 PM
Does that 1 life in America involve a titty bar?

~Rocktar~
10-30-2014, 10:41 PM
Then again, if an hour of her time would save 20 lives in Africa and 1 life in America, which is the proper place for that hour to be spent?

Idiotic and irrational questions deserve an equally idiotic and irrational answer. She should be nursing my dick back to life after making me a sandwich.

Some Rogue
10-30-2014, 11:19 PM
Idiotic and irrational questions deserve an equally idiotic and irrational answer. She should be nursing my dick back to life after making me a sandwich.

So...your dick is dead?

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a64/lrenzo2/a-winner-is-you1.gif (http://s9.photobucket.com/user/lrenzo2/media/a-winner-is-you1.gif.html)

~Rocktar~
10-31-2014, 01:05 AM
So...your dick is dead?

After a 2 hour session of raucous sex with her, it would need some resuscitation. Or after seeing a picture of you.

Atlanteax
10-31-2014, 10:12 AM
I don't have access to her personal records, but the charity she went to Africa with has worked in the United States as recently as 2012 (http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/country-region/united-states-america).Then again, if an hour of her time would save 20 lives in Africa and 1 life in America, which is the proper place for that hour to be spent?


1 American life > 20 African/European/Asian/Australian lives.

This. Prioritize Americans in need first. Going to Africa instead is selfish behavior.

Fallen
10-31-2014, 10:13 AM
This. Prioritize Americans in need first. Going to Africa instead is selfish behavior.

That's a ridiculous statement.

Gelston
10-31-2014, 10:22 AM
This. Prioritize Americans in need first. Going to Africa instead is selfish behavior.

You obviously didn't read my prior post. I think our people travelling abroad to get hands on with exotic diseases helps to save American lives in the future.

Kithus
10-31-2014, 10:32 AM
After a 2 hour session of raucous sex with her, it would need some resuscitation. Or after seeing a picture of you.

Is this because she wouldn't wear a collar and call you master?

Gelston
10-31-2014, 11:10 AM
Is this because she wouldn't wear a collar and call you master?

Hey, he is a captain or whatever in the gorian or whatever military, pal.

Atlanteax
10-31-2014, 11:15 AM
You obviously didn't read my prior post. I think our people travelling abroad to get hands on with exotic diseases helps to save American lives in the future.

That would be fine, but it should be under a CDC-sponsored program, not an individual thing.

Gelston
10-31-2014, 11:16 AM
That would be fine, but it should be under a CDC-sponsored program, not an individual thing.

It isn't an individual thing. It is sponsored by charities and hospitals. Research and shit happens.

Latrinsorm
10-31-2014, 03:48 PM
This. Prioritize Americans in need first. Going to Africa instead is selfish behavior.But if you (an American) (as far as I know) have more interest in Americans, surely negating that interest would be selfless, no?

Candor
11-01-2014, 12:03 AM
Well since this thread didn't die after all, here's my two cents. No I haven't been following all the discussion, so if I repeat someone else's thoughts, my apologies.

<<They are not contagious during the incubation period.>>

Define the incubation period for me.

Has it passed when someone has a low fever or otherwise starts to feel under the weather?
How do you know?
Are you sure?
Sure enough to shake someone's hand who has recently traveled from Liberia and has a 99.5 degree temperature?

Here's my problem with the idiot nurse who won't obey the quarantine. We're talking about a disease that kills and is passed via bodily fluids. We don't have a total understanding of this disease and how it works. I read an article today that there is some debate as to whether it can be passed via small droplets in a sneeze.

This stupid nurse is a crybaby that wants her 15 minutes of fame and/or doesn't give a crap about anyone else. If I had a serious disease and was told there was a 1% chance I could pass it to someone else over a 21 day timeframe, I would isolate myself for the 21 days. It wouldn't even be something I would debate. Why? Because...brace yourself...IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

The utter selfishness of some people completely amazes me sometimes.

Gelston
11-01-2014, 01:32 AM
Well since this thread didn't die after all, here's my two cents. No I haven't been following all the discussion, so if I repeat someone else's thoughts, my apologies.

<<They are not contagious during the incubation period.>>

Define the incubation period for me.

Has it passed when someone has a low fever or otherwise starts to feel under the weather?
How do you know?
Are you sure?
Sure enough to shake someone's hand who has recently traveled from Liberia and has a 99.5 degree temperature?

Here's my problem with the idiot nurse who won't obey the quarantine. We're talking about a disease that kills and is passed via bodily fluids. We don't have a total understanding of this disease and how it works. I read an article today that there is some debate as to whether it can be passed via small droplets in a sneeze.

This stupid nurse is a crybaby that wants her 15 minutes of fame and/or doesn't give a crap about anyone else. If I had a serious disease and was told there was a 1% chance I could pass it to someone else over a 21 day timeframe, I would isolate myself for the 21 days. It wouldn't even be something I would debate. Why? Because...brace yourself...IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

The utter selfishness of some people completely amazes me sometimes.

How many people have been infected with ebola in Maine from her? Her, as a nurse that knows how it spreads first hand, as well as the CDC who is full of doctors that have probably forgotten more about diseases then you or I will ever know, say it is fine. You are being swept up in paranoia.

Androidpk
11-01-2014, 01:37 AM
Well since this thread didn't die after all, here's my two cents. No I haven't been following all the discussion, so if I repeat someone else's thoughts, my apologies.

<<They are not contagious during the incubation period.>>

Define the incubation period for me.

Has it passed when someone has a low fever or otherwise starts to feel under the weather?
How do you know?
Are you sure?
Sure enough to shake someone's hand who has recently traveled from Liberia and has a 99.5 degree temperature?

Here's my problem with the idiot nurse who won't obey the quarantine. We're talking about a disease that kills and is passed via bodily fluids. We don't have a total understanding of this disease and how it works. I read an article today that there is some debate as to whether it can be passed via small droplets in a sneeze.

This stupid nurse is a crybaby that wants her 15 minutes of fame and/or doesn't give a crap about anyone else. If I had a serious disease and was told there was a 1% chance I could pass it to someone else over a 21 day timeframe, I would isolate myself for the 21 days. It wouldn't even be something I would debate. Why? Because...brace yourself...IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

The utter selfishness of some people completely amazes me sometimes.

Because only seriously selfish people go volunteer to fight disease and viruses in Africa.

Androidpk
11-01-2014, 01:41 AM
I knew LePage was an idiot but this is rich..

LePage stated earlier from Yarmouth, “We don’t know what we don’t know about Ebola.

Candor
11-01-2014, 01:59 AM
How many people have been infected with ebola in Maine from her? Her, as a nurse that knows how it spreads first hand, as well as the CDC who is full of doctors that have probably forgotten more about diseases then you or I will ever know, say it is fine. You are being swept up in paranoia.

Given the situation, I fail to understand how isolating oneself for 21 days can be considered an attack on someone's civil rights. You allow this for one person, then another person will want it, then another, and then another, and then at some point you will allow it for some moron who passes the disease. People have a tendency to be selfish and stupid in their actions.

I will agree that the risk is low in this case, but I don't consider that good enough.

Gelston
11-01-2014, 02:04 AM
Given the situation, I fail to understand how isolating oneself for 21 days can be considered an attack on someone's civil rights. You allow this for one person, then another person will want it, then another, and then another, and then at some point you will allow it for some moron who passes the disease. People have a tendency to be selfish and stupid in their actions.

Yes, you don't see how the Government forcing someone into something against their will isn't a violation of their rights. You allow them to do this for this one thing, and then they'll want to do it again for something else, and the another and then another, and then at some point you will allow it for some idiotic reason that has nothing to do with diseases. People have a tendency to overreact on things that they don't have any knowledge of.

Androidpk
11-01-2014, 02:13 AM
Initial symptoms are similar to the flu. You going to start quarantining everybody that gets the flu?

Gelston
11-01-2014, 02:16 AM
Initial symptoms are similar to the flu. You going to start quarantining everybody that gets the flu?

If you came from an area that had Ebola or were around Ebola, yes. That is when you should be quarantined.

Taernath
11-01-2014, 02:16 AM
Yes, you don't see how the Government forcing someone into something against their will isn't a violation of their rights. You allow them to do this for this one thing, and then they'll want to do it again for something else, and the another and then another, and then at some point you will allow it for some idiotic reason that has nothing to do with diseases. People have a tendency to overreact on things that they don't have any knowledge of.

The government 'forces' people to do things all the time. Even civil rights can be suspended, and often are when it comes to the 'good of public safety'.

Gelston
11-01-2014, 02:18 AM
The government 'forces' people to do things all the time. Even civil rights can be suspended, and often are when it comes to the 'good of public safety'.

According the the CDC and a certain judge in Maine, no, they can't. They are monitored. If they get symptomatic, then they are quarantined.

And seriously, why would you want the Government to have another tool in their box to take away your liberty? Because you are scared of a disease that has killed exactly ONE person in the US? Everyone else that has had it is doing just fine?

Don't live in fear.

Taernath
11-01-2014, 02:24 AM
According the the CDC and a certain judge in Maine, no, they can't. They are monitored. If they get symptomatic, then they are quarantined.

And seriously, why would you want the Government to have another tool in their box to take away your liberty?

You know the CDC is a federal agency, correct? The government can already quarantine you if they feel there's a need.

http://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/aboutlawsregulationsquarantineisolation.html

Gelston
11-01-2014, 02:27 AM
You know the CDC is a federal agency, correct? The government can already quarantine you if they feel there's a need.

http://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/aboutlawsregulationsquarantineisolation.html

Of course they can, but hey, guess what.... The CDC hasn't been doing it for Ebola. Oh, probably because they know it isn't a threat.

Seriously, Ebola isn't shit. Swine Flu was a lot worse, we got through that didn't we? It killed more and spread a lot quicker.

And again, a judge said that she can not be held against her will unless she is symptomatic. Judge trumps codes and acts.

Spleen
11-01-2014, 02:31 AM
The best way to prevent ebola spreading to US is to stop it in Africa. Don't deny civil rights from people who treat the disease in Africa. Voluntary quarantine works.

Gelston
11-01-2014, 02:34 AM
BTW, you posted something put forth by an Act. That doesn't mean it is Constitutional.

Taernath
11-01-2014, 02:39 AM
BTW, you posted something put forth by an Act. That doesn't mean it is Constitutional.

If you feel like taking the CDC's jurisdiction to the Supreme Court go right ahead.

Gelston
11-01-2014, 02:40 AM
If you feel like taking the CDC's jurisdiction to the Supreme Court go right ahead.

There isn't a need, the CDC hasn't done anything that is being challenged. The State of Maine is. The State of Maine lost. The CDC has said quarantines aren't necessary.

Taernath
11-01-2014, 02:41 AM
There isn't a need, the CDC hasn't done anything that is being challenged. The State of Maine is. The State of Maine lost. The CDC has said quarantines aren't necessary.

I feel like the discussion we're having is different from the discussion you think we're having.

Gelston
11-01-2014, 02:44 AM
I feel like the discussion we're having is different from the discussion you think we're having.

What discussion were you talking about? I was talking about how the woman that came from Africa who won the case against being held against her will.

Further, you brought up the CDC. Yes, they are empowered to quarantine people. they haven't, but when and if they do, that can be challenged and they will probably lose.

Ker_Thwap
11-01-2014, 10:02 AM
Well since this thread didn't die after all, here's my two cents. No I haven't been following all the discussion, so if I repeat someone else's thoughts, my apologies.

<<They are not contagious during the incubation period.>>

Define the incubation period for me.

Has it passed when someone has a low fever or otherwise starts to feel under the weather?
How do you know?
Are you sure?
Sure enough to shake someone's hand who has recently traveled from Liberia and has a 99.5 degree temperature?

Here's my problem with the idiot nurse who won't obey the quarantine. We're talking about a disease that kills and is passed via bodily fluids. We don't have a total understanding of this disease and how it works. I read an article today that there is some debate as to whether it can be passed via small droplets in a sneeze.

This stupid nurse is a crybaby that wants her 15 minutes of fame and/or doesn't give a crap about anyone else. If I had a serious disease and was told there was a 1% chance I could pass it to someone else over a 21 day timeframe, I would isolate myself for the 21 days. It wouldn't even be something I would debate. Why? Because...brace yourself...IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

The utter selfishness of some people completely amazes me sometimes.

Humans are not infectious until they develop symptoms. First symptoms are the sudden onset of fever fatigue, muscle pain, headache and sore throat. So, yes. I would indeed shake the hand of a person from Liberia who had a low grade fever. I would use the same shopping cart, I would offer them a tissue if they sneezed.

It's spread in Africa because they re-use surgical equipment like needles, because they have customs like bathing, touching and dressing their dead, and there's a widespread belief that disease is caused by evil spirits. 1 out of 9 people have died in the U.S. the disease responds well to anti viral drugs and increased fluids if treated fairly early.

Stop getting your science news from rags like the NY Post. Knickers: untwist them.

Hightower
11-01-2014, 10:26 AM
I think we tend to talk about quarantine as if it is risk - free with regard to its impact in fighting an outbreak. This is a false assumption. Quarantine scares people. If used improperly, it may actually make the disease spread faster for two reasons:

It spreads distrust. If people distrust the very people who are fighting the outbreak, it may accelerate the spead, requiring more quarantine. A vicious cycle.

Also, if used inappropriately it drains resources which would be more effective, which results in faster spread of the disease.

It's scary. I understand that. But allowing that top override our judgment could make the situation worse.

Taverkin

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Remember: BEFORE the outbreak, each of these suits could be purchased for less than a Starbucks coffee. But AFTER the outbreak spreads, you probably won't be able to find them at any price.

#5) Have a bug-out plan ready to go, and have the fuel and gear to follow your plan

If Ebola begins to spread in your local city, do you have a plan to evacuate before the quarantine occurs?

Medical quarantines should truthfully be called "death zones" because once they're put in place, no one is allowed to leave until they're either immune or dead... or until the viral transmission has completely halted (which usually only happens after everyone is either immune or dead).

The smart play is to get out of the high-density population centers and relocate to a rural area long before a quarantine order comes into play.

Quarantine orders happen without warning. That's on purpose because the government doesn't want people fleeing an "upcoming" quarantine area, thereby causing the virus to spread even farther. So by definition, all quarantines happen instantly, without warning. This simply means if you haven't bugged out beforehand, you will likely not be able to bug out at all.

#5) Get some extra cash in anticipation of financial and electronic commerce disruptions

If a medical quarantine is announced in your local area, it won't take long for local banks and cash machines to be out of order.

How will you acquire the cash to purchase all the supplies you'll desperately need in a quarantine? Food prices will instantly skyrocket, and anti-viral herbs and natural medicines will be almost priceless (if you can find them at all).

Cash will still be acceptable for commerce in nearly all areas, so having cash is your ticket to being able to acquire the items you need, many of which will be sold only at inflated, black market prices.

If a large percentage of the population decides they all need some cash all at once, expect bank holidays and closures to commence soon thereafter. Our banking system is so fragile that it can't handle a large number of depositors making cash withdrawals at the same time.

#6) Set aside a large, reliable, self-contained water source

Where will you get water if the local water treatment facility stops functioning? Most people have no idea.

You will need a large supply of backup water stored on site. The easiest solution is to buy a bathtub water bob and fill it to the max. This will give you 100 gallons or so -- a good start that might last you a few days.

As I was writing this article, I just checked the availability of Water Bobs on Amazon.com, and not surprisingly, they're already sold out (http://www.amazon.com/waterBOB-Emergency-Drinking-Storage-Gallons/dp/B001AXLUX2/).

This is exactly what I've been warning people about. The nature of all the supply lines for food, medicine and preparedness products is that everything will be almost instantly sold out the moment the masses figure out what's really happening.

For many items, it may already be too late.

Here's an actual quote from a Facebook user -- a person who reflects the kind of delusional denial that has been rampant across American society on many topics: "Just because the CDC said that Ebola infections could reach 1.4 million by the end of January, don't worry - you will be fine. Ebola will always be somewhere else - not here."

Such statements are, of course, delusional. And when it comes to a viral pandemic like Ebola, delusional means dead.

#7) Have a plan for household safety and defense against looters

If you wake up one morning and find yourself locked down in a medical quarantine zone, how exactly are you planning to protect your household from looters who are desperate for food, water and other supplies? Do you seriously think the government is going to have the manpower to guard your home and ensure your safety? Not a chance. Not even if they want to.

Sure, all your neighbors are likely to be very police and civil for the first 72 hours or so. But once the food starts to run out, the thin veneer of politeness quickly vanishes. When facing extreme hunger, there's almost nothing people won't do in order to survive, including looting your home and, if necessary, killing people in the process.

If you don't already have a plan to defend your own home against looters and intruders, now might be a really great time to put a plan in place, before things get any crazier. A pandemic outbreak will no doubt cause another run on guns and ammo just like happened after the December 2012 Sandy Hook shootings. (I still can't find 22LR!)

#8) Consider permanently moving away from high-density population centers

Bizarre viral pandemics and superbugs are sweeping across our planet right now. Human activity has caused wild imbalances in the natural ecosystems, and we should all expect to see wave after wave of pandemic diseases for decades to come.

In any pandemic, cities quickly become death traps due to the high population density found there. Rural areas are inherently safer from infectious disease precisely because they have far lower population densities (and therefore fewer opportunities for disease to spread among humans).

If you still live in the city but you've always considered getting out into the country, right now might be a great time to take a fresh look at those plans and start taking action. You still have time to make the move. Even "successful" viral pandemics require many months to spread across large populations. Ebola may take 1-2 years to really start spreading in U.S. cities... or it may never spread in America at all if they can keep it contained. (Let's hope it never spreads, but let's also be prepared in case it does...)

Sooner or later, a viral pandemic that cannot be controlled will sweep through the world population. When that day comes -- and it may have just started on Sep. 30, 2014 with "patient zero" in Dallas -- you would be wise to be living far away from population centers.

#9) Plan to have no medical assistance from hospitals or doctors

During a pandemic outbreak, you can expect to have no medical help whatsoever from hospitals or doctors. Many doctors and hospital staff will rapidly become infected, and many will die. Others will be far too preoccupied with other patients to take on any more.

Expect all hospital beds to be quickly filled, after which patients will be directed to go home and deal with the infections themselves. (This has already happened in Liberia and Sierra Leone.)

Dialing 911 will be useless, and emergency transportation vehicles such as ambulances will of course be thoroughly contaminated with the Ebola virus.

This might be a good idea to bone up on your self-reliance skills as taught in an online summit beginning today (http://www.naturalnews.com/The-Self-Reliance-Summit.html).

#10) Understand that medications, junk food and toxic chemicals make you more vulnerable to infections

Here's something the mainstream media almost never talks about: medications deplete your body of immune-boosting nutrients, making you even more susceptible to viral infections.

I have written extensively about this exact point in an article entitled Over-medicated, immunosuppressed Americans likely to suffer high fatality rate if Ebola sweeps across USA (http://www.naturalnews.com/046973_mass_medication_nutrient_depletion_ebola_pa ndemic.html) -- published on September 22, 2014.

In that article, I explain how the mass medication of Americans has made the USA uniquely vulnerable to an Ebola wipeout. It is my opinion that those Americans who wish to survive Ebola need to work with qualified naturopathic physicians to get off their meds as quickly as possible and transition to a health-enhancing lifestyle that boosts immune function and bolsters your defenses against infections.

Remember: Every single person who has so far survived Ebola has been saved by their own immune system. Your immune system can also save your life, too -- but only if you support it and stop suppressing it.

Episode Seven (http://biodefense.com/Pandemic-Preparedness-Episode-07.html) of my free online Pandemic Preparedness course discusses this in great detail, outlining all the areas of your day-to-day life where you might be harming your own immune system.

Silly advice from the CDC: Wash your hands and wait for a vaccine

When it comes to protecting yourself from a pandemic, don't expect any useful advice from official sources. So far, the advice from the CDC boils down to "wash your hands" and "wait for a vaccine."

Such advice is near-useless, and the CDC's outright refusal to even discuss the importance of immune-boosting supplements and natural cures is downright negligent. Right now, Americans need to be taking immediate steps to enhance their immune function and boost their nutritional intake. This is how we can save lives during a pandemic.

Get prepared now by learning what the medical authorities won't dare tell you. And hurry before a national emergency is declared and your options run out. Visit www.BioDefense.com (http://www.BioDefense.com)

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Fallen
11-01-2014, 01:15 PM
That isn't terrible advice in of itself.

~Rocktar~
11-01-2014, 01:39 PM
I have to disagree with point about washing your hands being silly. There is almost no case ever where washing your hands with a good soap and antibacterial soap if you have it, isn't a good idea. OH, and bar soap lasts longer and is more portable in a survival situation.

Latrinsorm
11-01-2014, 04:20 PM
We don't have a total understanding of this disease and how it works.Weeeee don't. Doctors do, and they say this quarantine is incorrect. You could say that... "this stupid governor is a crybaby that wants his 15 minutes of fame and/or doesn't give a crap about anyone else.", eh?
I would offer them a tissue if they sneezed.Wow, way to coddle. Reagan never offered anyone a tissue, and that gave them the incentive to go out and earn their own, and that's why unemployment plummeted under his administration. By the time he left office the unemployment rate had completely recovered from the damage done by the Reagan administration. Look it up.