More script checks!

[Haldrik]

Ok, so different accounts, different cards (under the same name I assume?) they could easily link those with a simple IP check I bet. But you still, at that point, already had a warning on this new account, the groundwork is already laid... unless this is your third goat rodeo now?

You clearly don't read or can't retain any information that doesn't align to your view point.

And yes, you are wrong on everything in that post. GMs troll everyone. They aren't just targeting me.

[Haldrik]

Redrep:

There's no way "A grizzled thyril exclaims, "Why won't you answer me?!"" was the first check you got.

Reading comprehension. Read my post again. I never said that was the first check.

[Larch]

And again, you are delusional. I never actually failed the first script check. I responded and got a warning for VULGARITY. Do you magically forget shit that is inconvenient to your point of view?



Mazreth says, "Based on the rate of exp gained over time, and the lack of response to my earlier tests, I'm going to issue a warning for scripting abuse."

You laugh out loud!

You say, "Go fuck yourself."
You say, "I responded to your shitty script tests."
>
Mazreth says, "That's warning # 2 for vulgarity..."

Warning #1: scripting abuse
Warning #2: vulgarity

And no, GMs don't "troll" everyone.

[Jhynnifer]

You clearly don't read or can't retain any information that doesn't align to your view point.

And yes, you are wrong on everything in that post. GMs troll everyone. They aren't just targeting me.

The fact that you think a different credit card means they can't link your accounts shows you're clueless. You're right, I didn't pay attention to whether or not you closed your second account and tried for a third or not. Either way, the fact remains... they can link them, probably have given how much attention you've drawn to yourself. They're not trolling you, they're treating you as a HMC who has a proven track record of afk scripting. Good job.

[Haldrik]

The fact that you think a different credit card means they can't link your accounts shows you're clueless. You're right, I didn't pay attention to whether or not you closed your second account and tried for a third or not. Either way, the fact remains... they can link them, probably have given how much attention you've drawn to yourself. They're not trolling you, they're treating you as a HMC who has a proven track record of afk scripting. Good job.

Again, no proven track record of AFK scripting. I was warned once, and that was dubious at best. Quit making shit up. Are you really equating HMC and "attention" to posts on PC?

[Allizar]

GUILTY!

GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT!

You should hold the full reponsibility of proving your innocence as often as possible in this service you PAY for.

Running to town when you are being hit by thyrils, pff, should have had you burned at the stake.

You are a scourge to this wonderous 30 year old game with Nazi GM's sir.

[SpiffyJr]

how is it hurting them? if they're legitimately there, then they can legitimately respond.

It's 100% completely possible to miss a script check while watching the screen scroll. I've done it on numerous occasions as have many others. After 10+ years of playing this if you haven't filtered out background noise then you have a really weird brain.

[SpiffyJr]

Um... look at his responses to the GM. He didn't answer their questions, he made arbitrary statements then ran to town. That could *EASILY* have been a script.

So easy why don't you do it and report back to us. I can count the number of people able to respond to a check like that and account for any variation on one hand. I haven't even attempted it because it's completely ridiculous to try and do. The only easy thing to do is detect lines not seen and react but that occurs so regularly and is too obvious to be of any use that anyone able to do such a thing already knows better.

[SpiffyJr]

different cards maybe with different names but the same billing address...

7039

[SpiffyJr]

The fact that you think a different credit card means they can't link your accounts shows you're clueless. You're right, I didn't pay attention to whether or not you closed your second account and tried for a third or not. Either way, the fact remains... they can link them, probably have given how much attention you've drawn to yourself. They're not trolling you, they're treating you as a HMC who has a proven track record of afk scripting. Good job.

If you don't want them to link them and you try hard enough they can't.

[Jhynnifer]

If you don't want them to link them and you try hard enough they can't.

You probably could, however, Haldrik doesn't appear to be the type who could or would understand how to do this.

[Gelston]

You have to play like whatsherbitch in libraries using prepaid cards. Duh.

[Jhynnifer]

Again, no proven track record of AFK scripting. I was warned once, and that was dubious at best. Quit making shit up. Are you really equating HMC and "attention" to posts on PC?

Your pc presence has nothing to do with your being, imo, an HMC. Your afk scripting shenanigans cause GMs to put more resources into dealing with you. IN GAME.

And this account had 1 warning for afk scripting, 1 for vulgarity and if they linked that's 3 warnings in less than 2months. If they haven't, still 2 in less than 30. That sounds like grounds for HMC.

[Jhynnifer]

So easy why don't you do it and report back to us. I can count the number of people able to respond to a check like that and account for any variation on one hand. I haven't even attempted it because it's completely ridiculous to try and do. The only easy thing to do is detect lines not seen and react but that occurs so regularly and is too obvious to be of any use that anyone able to do such a thing already knows better.

I never suggested it would be easy, but I'm sure it's possible to take a hunting area, take all the common room messaging, critter attacks and messaging, players coming and going and create a script that would react to anything happening with a string of variables. It'd be slow and probably take more time than it's worth for a hunting area that you'll spend 3-4 days in but who knows, people have written less useful scripts for random reasons. I'm not 100% sure, to be honest. I may very well be wrong.

[Haldrik]

You probably could, however, Haldrik doesn't appear to be the type who could or would understand how to do this.

Mmmm passing judgment because I cursed at some GMs and was warned one time for a dubious script check. Your world view is sad.

[Jhynnifer]

Mmmm passing judgment because I cursed at some GMs and was warned one time for a dubious script check. Your world view is sad.
No, I'm only judging you in part because of that. Coming to a forum known to be read by GMs and boasting about closing your account and starting a new one takes the majority of my judging. But hey, good to know you think my world view is solely based on your complete and utter failure.

[Wrathbringer]

No, I'm only judging you in part because of that. Coming to a forum known to be read by GMs and boasting about closing your account and starting a new one takes the majority of my judging. But hey, good to know you think my world view is solely based on your complete and utter failure.

:lol:

[Fallen]

A bit off topic here, but could something like Lich be banned by Simu if they so chose? Beyond simply a policy ban, could they block the program or tell outright when someone was using it?

I'm not advocating such an outcome, I'm just curious if it is possible. It'd be very interesting if they could ban specific accounts from using it due to repeated AFK scripting violations.

[Astray]

A bit off topic here, but could something like Lich be banned by Simu if they so chose? Beyond simply a policy ban, could they block the program or tell outright when someone was using it?

I'm not advocating such an outcome, I'm just curious if it is possible. It'd be very interesting if they could ban specific accounts from using it due to repeated AFK scripting violations.
It's a 3rd party program and I think there's a rule against using those, so yes. Very simple. The detection method required to be able to determine if someone is using it would need to be a monster though.

[Fallen]

I don't believe I ever saw specific policy banning third party programs.

[Astray]

It's as simple as updating the policy.

[Fallen]

I was speaking beyond a policy standpoint.

[Ceyrin]

If memory serves, the only information about 3rd party programs that exists currently says something about how Simu isn't liable for any disruption they cause to your computer/character/account.

[Haldrik]

A bit off topic here, but could something like Lich be banned by Simu if they so chose? Beyond simply a policy ban, could they block the program or tell outright when someone was using it?

I'm not advocating such an outcome, I'm just curious if it is possible. It'd be very interesting if they could ban specific accounts from using it due to repeated AFK scripting violations.

They could probably informally ban it. But there is no way of enforcing it. They would have to update SF/Wizard FE but that will never happen. And I'm not even sure that would work.

Plus it would require them to hire actual coders and pay real money out. Sort of like updating the GSL code. Never gunna happen.

[SpiffyJr]

Lich sits between the connection to the FE and Simutronics and is completely invisible to their servers. There might be a few packets coming/going that I don't know about but if they tried to detect the presence Tillmen could modify the source to remove the tracers. Given Simutronics track record at "speedy" coding I don't think this is a battle they would win. Furthermore, if they did do it, the game would implode.

[Fallen]

Thanks for the info, Spiffy.

[Buckwheet]

Thanks for the info, Spiffy.

You should check out that DR front end that is a total application and not a add on. If they banned things like Lich that would probably get included. I wonder how many DR users use that FE, and would close their accounts?

[SpiffyJr]

FEs don't really send anything specific back to Simutronics except for what the servers expect so they can't really detect what FE you're using unless the FE sends that information along which could easily be spoofed. The only way I know of them to prevent this would be to add encrypted front-end verification to connections and deny any that aren't authorized. This would require updating the Wizard, web client, StormFront, and any other official FEs.

Again, I haven't looked into this and I'm just speculating but I'm fairly certain I'm correct. Tillmen could chime in more as he's pretty intimate with the data stream.

[Fallen]

It's just a thought exercise at this point, but i'd be curious to hear his take on it. Ultimately, I think banning lich and other types of programs would be very bad for the game in terms of the mass cancelations it would trigger. It MIGHT be practical on an individual basis, though.

[Wrathbringer]

You should check out that DR front end that is a total application and not a add on. If they banned things like Lich that would probably get included. I wonder how many DR users use that FE, and would close their accounts?

None. They're addicted to the game, not the fe.

[Buckwheet]

None. They're addicted to the game, not the fe.

Proof?

[Fallen]

...You think there would be no account closings if suddenly Lich was banned? Granted, i'm not familiar with the DR population, but I have to imagine there would still be a sizable number.

[Haldrik]

You should check out that DR front end that is a total application and not a add on. If they banned things like Lich that would probably get included. I wonder how many DR users use that FE, and would close their accounts?

I use it for gemstone. A bit buggy but gets the job done.

People would probably close up shop. In DR you literally have to script everything 24/7. Climbing? Go Climb a wall 25 times every hour. First aid? Make sure and get a bleeder so you can tend your own bleeder every hour. Even sitting in town, 10-15 magic skills to learn. Braiding grass, juggling, searching, etc.

[Wrathbringer]

Proof?

Front ends come and go, don't they?

[Fallen]

I use it for gemstone. A bit buggy but gets the job done.

People would probably close up shop. In DR you literally have to script everything 24/7. Climbing? Go Climb a wall 25 times every hour. First aid? Make sure and get a bleeder so you can tend your own bleeder every hour. Even sitting in town, 10-15 magic skills to learn. Braiding grass, juggling, searching, etc.

That sounds ...just god awful.

[Methais]

Proof?

People haven't realized yet that he's just been trolling all of these script threads?

[Taernath]

People haven't realized yet that he's just been trolling all threads?


FTFY

[Buckwheet]

People haven't realized yet that he's just been trolling all of these script threads?

It kills time.

[Methais]

It kills time.

http://static.old-games.ru/uploadedimages/2011/03/18/366324d834e62bc973.gif

[Haldrik]

People haven't realized yet that he's just been trolling all of these script threads?

How could we? His normal persona and troll persona are one and the same.

[Wrathbringer]

How could we? His normal persona and troll persona are one and the same.

This.

[Soulance]

They must love pink fairys. Now how are you supposed to discern this in a swarm of creatures? Especially when there's that mob of about 10 people who bring out tons of creatures?


A corpulent hot pink fairy tweaks your nose and says, "Hi! My name is Elothra. What is your name?"

[Lord Orbstar]

that is gross.

[Astray]

Speaking to a fairy, you say "JESUS FUCK YOU ARE UGLY."

>quit

[Sorcasaurus]

First we get on them for being too similar to the mobs, now for being too silly/stupid?

Screen scroll will always be a problem. I'm not sure the best way to deal with it? Monster bold enough? Where were you?


Also:

GM's next tactic "Say my name bitch!"

[Methais]

First we get on them for being too similar to the mobs, now for being too silly/stupid?

Screen scroll will always be a problem. I'm not sure the best way to deal with it? Monster bold enough? Where were you?


Also:

GM's next tactic "Say my name bitch!"

You look to your right and you see an elven maiden being DP'd by two dwarves.

The Elven maiden looks over at you and points at her open mouth, gesturing for you to approach her.

>go maiden

Get RPA.

[Kithus]

How long before someone starts screaming favoritism because only scripters passing checks get RPAs anymore?

[Haldrik]

How long before someone starts screaming favoritism because only scripters passing checks get RPAs anymore?

I'm not sure they are giving out RPAs anymore for passing script checks.

[Soulance]

First we get on them for being too similar to the mobs, now for being too silly/stupid?

Screen scroll will always be a problem. I'm not sure the best way to deal with it? Monster bold enough? Where were you?

I don't think Monster Bold is going to help any. It just showed up as regular text along side the mass scrollings of minotaurs doing their 3 swipe cmans and everything else going on. I was in Minos trying to fill my syringe for the Spirit Beast stuff.

Couldn't even imagine seeing any of it if you were a rapid-fire Wizard. Forget it.

[Luntz]

It's weird, I've had script checks be both subtle and glaring, but the last one I got was highlighted in yellow and stood out so much I couldn't have missed it unless I was not paying attention completely. It was whoever has been using that pink fairy, asking me what color her wings were as I'm getting chain ewaved by elementals.

[Kithus]

I have zero problem with a monsterbold/color highlighted script check or one in which you are knocked down or put in RT (provided the GM doesn't get you killed or fixes it if they do). The issue is those one line sneaky checks that some GMs tend to do.

[Soulance]

A monster bold would be great. I would have liked that better than what happened. Sure, you could possibly highlight it, but they don't always use the same thing from what I gather.

[Methais]

I have zero problem with a monsterbold/color highlighted script check or one in which you are knocked down or put in RT (provided the GM doesn't get you killed or fixes it if they do). The issue is those one line sneaky checks that some GMs tend to do.

I wouldn't be surprised if there is/was at least one GM that waits until someone is in the middle of a swarm or some sort of massive screen scroll to send their script check through and then be all like "GOTCHA!" 10 seconds later.

[Smythe]

I wouldn't be surprised if there is/was at least one GM that waits until someone is in the middle of a swarm or some sort of massive screen scroll to send their script check through and then be all like "GOTCHA!" 10 seconds later.

Jesus Fuckin' Black Helicopters Undead Emeradan Christ!

Jes' sayin'.

- Smythe

[Haldrik]

I wouldn't be surprised if there is/was at least one GM that waits until someone is in the middle of a swarm or some sort of massive screen scroll to send their script check through and then be all like "GOTCHA!" 10 seconds later.

Apparently they "pre-test" with random knockdowns in combat. So if you get hit by a tremor/quake, chances are a GM might be waiting to spring the ban hammer on you.

So make sure you RP appropriately with yourself.

"Ouch! Why am i getting randomly knocked down. These coyotes can't cast quake!"

[Methais]

Jesus Fuckin' Black Helicopters Undead Emeradan Christ!

Jes' sayin'.

- Smythe

Well I mean Emeradan goes without saying. Much like the roads in Rome when it comes to what have the Romans ever done for us.


Apparently they "pre-test" with random knockdowns in combat. So if you get hit by a tremor/quake, chances are a GM might be waiting to spring the ban hammer on you.

So make sure you RP appropriately with yourself.

"Ouch! Why am i getting randomly knocked down. These coyotes can't cast quake!"

I had this happen once during Hunt For History II. I discovered that this scarab that was hidden under a wagon wheel as part of some quest could be sold for like 5k at the gem shop and you could pick up an unlimited amount of them. I made a script to gather up a full inventory's worth and then sell them at the gem shop. About 15m later I got knocked over by a random gust of wind.

A week or so later I got pulled to the lounge and locked out for 60 days for mechanics abuse.

IT'S NOT MY FAULT THEIR QC SUCKS!!!!!11

Speaking of QC sucking, isn't there some massive uproar on the officials over items being pulled from EG that somehow slipped through QC, including some items that were at last year's EG? How does that even happen?

[Taernath]

There's Greco-Roman wrestling if you get tired of roads.

[Tgo01]

Does GS even have QC anymore?

[Fallen]

Well I mean Emeradan goes without saying. Much like the roads in Rome when it comes to what have the Romans ever done for us.



I had this happen once during Hunt For History II. I discovered that this scarab that was hidden under a wagon wheel as part of some quest could be sold for like 5k at the gem shop and you could pick up an unlimited amount of them. I made a script to gather up a full inventory's worth and then sell them at the gem shop. About 15m later I got knocked over by a random gust of wind.

A week or so later I got pulled to the lounge and locked out for 60 days for mechanics abuse.

IT'S NOT MY FAULT THEIR QC SUCKS!!!!!11

Speaking of QC sucking, isn't there some massive uproar on the officials over items being pulled from EG that somehow slipped through QC, including some items that were at last year's EG? How does that even happen?

Hah. That's awesome. Not the locked out part, but the bug itself. You should have sold off your load, THEN bug/report it. In that case, you were just testing to see if the bug is able to be replicated.

[Soulance]

To whom it may concern that left a nice comment...

I'm not mad about the script check itself. I signed up for the game and know they're going to do it. I fully accepted responsibility when caught and have had some nice interactions despite the outcome of penalties. It's when hunting mass swarms and someone is hiding with no form for me to know other than they might say something which gets swept up in the masses of casting/stance off/stance def/stand if knocked down/triple mino cman maneuver/pink fairy tweaking my nose and knocking me over in the midst of it all? Okay, guess I should just die next time to add to the 10 times I've already died in two days. The minos are spawning like crazy because some large group keeps running in there. I don't care that they do, more for me to kill, but it does create a lot of havoc. Just wish there was a better way.

[Gelston]

Hah. That's awesome. Not the locked out part, but the bug itself. You should have sold off your load, THEN bug/report it. In that case, you were just testing to see if the bug is able to be replicated.

They'd take all the money back though.

[Kithus]

Thread: More script checks!
You make plat unplayable

Normally I try not to feed the trolls but if someone truly feels this way please feel free to message me and we can discuss why you do. If there is something I can do (aside from quitting, sorry) to improve your experience in Plat I would be happy to discuss it. It is never my intention to ruin someone else's fun and I consider every member of our small platinum community valuable.

[Fallen]

Normally I try not to feed the trolls but if someone truly feels this way please feel free to message me and we can discuss why you do. If there is something I can do (aside from quitting, sorry) to improve your experience in Plat I would be happy to discuss it. It is never my intention to ruin someone else's fun and I consider every member of our small platinum community valuable.

That was me! Fuck you, Kithus.

[Kithus]

That was me! Fuck you, Kithus.

ROFL good to see you too bud.


Thread: More script checks!
You could get another ban for afk scripting.

Thread: More script checks!
liar.


Again, if you have some problem with me that is making plat less enjoyable for you then please feel free to message me and we can discuss it.

[Pistashio]

So my brother just got script checked during a ;sloot sell run, and failed (screen scroll anyone). How many people out there would fail a script check while using ;sloot sell, or ;herb (heals you if there is no healer) with herbs? I find it a bit much that they even bother script checking any more, seriously script checking a game that we pay 20-50 a month for? A text based game... with updates that come so seldom that it is sometimes 5-10 years before something new comes out...

I understand there are people out there who didn't script and got to 100+ (before gsIV) and still even now get to cap with out script hunting and that is seriously awesome, but I just think its overkill to not allow someone to hunt with scripts (non afk) then once they're heading back to sell/heal to get them on a script check... Sure this is great if you want to keep the player community small and shrinking, but adjusting to newer blood might be a way to bring back some of the popularity of the game.

Pretty sure I'm going to get flamed for this post, but seriously, how can you expect new players to come and want to play a game that slows to a grinding halt around level 10-15, to the point where they can play entire games to full content before they level 2x and then they're still hunting and fighting the same critters because it's to dangerous to move to the next tier of critters. Simply put they probably won't, and if they do it will be once a week for 3-4 hours during 3x xp and some of 2x xp.

[Methais]

So my brother just got script checked during a ;sloot sell run, and failed (screen scroll anyone). How many people out there would fail a script check while using ;sloot sell, or ;herb (heals you if there is no healer) with herbs? I find it a bit much that they even bother script checking any more, seriously script checking a game that we pay 20-50 a month for? A text based game... with updates that come so seldom that it is sometimes 5-10 years before something new comes out...

I understand there are people out there who didn't script and got to 100+ (before gsIV) and still even now get to cap with out script hunting and that is seriously awesome, but I just think its overkill to not allow someone to hunt with scripts (non afk) then once they're heading back to sell/heal to get them on a script check... Sure this is great if you want to keep the player community small and shrinking, but adjusting to newer blood might be a way to bring back some of the popularity of the game.

Pretty sure I'm going to get flamed for this post, but seriously, how can you expect new players to come and want to play a game that slows to a grinding halt around level 10-15, to the point where they can play entire games to full content before they level 2x and then they're still hunting and fighting the same critters because it's to dangerous to move to the next tier of critters. Simply put they probably won't, and if they do it will be once a week for 3-4 hours during 3x xp and some of 2x xp.

How is scripting a sell run even considered against policy? The gems and whatever were already in your inventory. As long as you weren't afk when the gems or whatever were actually found, I don't see what rules were being broken.

Is it now against policy to sell loot you already have on you with a script? /facepalm

[Gelston]

How is scripting a sell run even considered against policy? The gems and whatever were already in your inventory. As long as you weren't afk when the gems or whatever were actually found, I don't see what rules were being broken.

Is it now against policy to sell loot you already have on you with a script? /facepalm

There was probably more than the sell run, and it was likely the tail end of a script check when he was pulled.

[Haldrik]

There was probably more than the sell run, and it was likely the tail end of a script check when he was pulled.

This was my thought too.

Cause if they are doing script checks soley based on in town actions... Fuck that. What's next? No AFK draining?

[Pistashio]

LOL the rep comments are priceless, didn't know people got so butt hurt over opinions, if you don't like it refute it don't do this cry baby bull shit and post anonymous rep comments. Normally I let stupid slide, but come on, man up fucking pussies.

[Haldrik]

LOL the rep comments are priceless, didn't know people got so butt hurt over opinions, if you don't like it refute it don't do this cry baby bull shit and post anonymous rep comments. Normally I let stupid slide, but come on, man up fucking pussies.

People are BITCHES when it comes to rep. Cowardly, scared, whiny, cry babies.

[Tgo01]

LOL the rep comments are priceless, didn't know people got so butt hurt over opinions, if you don't like it refute it don't do this cry baby bull shit and post anonymous rep comments. Normally I let stupid slide, but come on, man up fucking pussies.

I think there is more to the story than you're letting on but yes, there is a segment of the GS community who hates anyone who uses scrips. Just ignore the haters :p

[Gelston]

I think it is funnier when people bitch about rep and call them cry babies... I mean, you are sorta doing that there.

[diethx]

I think it is funnier when people bitch about rep and call them cry babies... I mean, you are sorta doing that there.

Not sorta.

[Donquix]

I think it is funnier when people bitch about rep and call them cry babies... I mean, you are sorta doing that there.

But there's a difference between openly criticizing someone or something, and doing it almost invariably via unsigned rep.

edit: typo

[Androidpk]

I think there is more to the story than you're letting on but yes, there is a segment of the GS community who hates anyone who uses scrips. Just ignore the haters :p

AFK scripting or scripting in general?

[Kithus]

AFK scripting or scripting in general?

The general assumption from most script haters is that if you script you must be doing it AFK at least some of the time. The proof for this is that if the GMs run a billion gotcha script checks on you eventually you miss a message in the scroll and get "caught" by them.

[Gelston]

But there's a difference between openly criticizing someone or something, and doing it via almost invariably via unsigned rep.

I don't see the difference. everyone is fairly anonymous on here anyways, and rep doesn't really mean anything... So.... Who cares?

I always just saw it is "Waaah! You made fun of me and I can't do it back!"

Maybe the shart dude got tired of anon neg reps and is just neg repping everyone for his like, 50 rep or whatever he has the power for, until he is assured he got the anon repper that got him whenever.

[Taernath]

AFK scripting or scripting in general?

Reading some of those threads on the officials makes it seem like it's scripting in general.

[Tgo01]

AFK scripting or scripting in general?

Like Kithus and Taernath said; the haters assume that if you're scripting you must be afk scripting. They use the two terms interchangeably all the time.

[Buckwheet]

Like Kithus and Taernath said; the haters assume that if you're scripting you must be afk scripting. They use the two terms interchangeably all the time.

Or, you are not playing the game as they deem fit, distracted, not interacting, merchant whoring, MAing, scripting mundane tasks, scripting hunting, table camping to unload XP and in general the worst possible thing to come in to the game. Regardless if they have been to events you put on and enjoyed themselves, but just didn't know that the PC persona was behind the character(s) they were interacting with.

[Donquix]

I don't see the difference. everyone is fairly anonymous on here anyways, and rep doesn't really mean anything... So.... Who cares?

I always just saw it is "Waaah! You made fun of me and I can't do it back!"

Maybe the shart dude got tired of anon neg reps and is just neg repping everyone for his like, 50 rep or whatever he has the power for, until he is assured he got the anon repper that got him whenever.

There's a big difference between "anonymous" and "not using the same name as is on my paychecks"

Compartmentalized identities are still identities.

If you're going bitch at someone at least (wo)man the fuck up and attach whatever made up name you decided to use here.

[Gelston]

There's a big difference between "anonymous" and "not using the same name as is on my paychecks"

Compartmentalized identities are still identities.

If you're going bitch at someone at least (wo)man the fuck up and attach whatever made up name you decided to use here.

I don't see why it is a big deal? If you really are that peeved by random anonymous internet comments directed at you, perhaps you should not go on the internet.

Whining about it does nothing. Infact, it probably makes the anon repper happy, because they know they pissed you off. Just do what I do. Ignore them. Don't post about, don't respond to them. Don't give gratification.

[Haldrik]

The weirdest part about the GM script checks is they don't give a fuck if you pass or not. You would think if you pass, 3,4,5,6 times they would leave you the fuck alone. NOPE.

I've had a script check every day for 3 days now. Some GM has a hard on for me.


Stupid bitches don't know I programmed an alert to my smart phone that keeps me linked to the game 24/7.

[Methais]

Stupid bitches don't know I programmed an alert to my smart phone that keeps me linked to the game 24/7.

I'm sure they know now.

[Gelston]

I'm sure they know now.

They know now, atleast.

You're so cool though, Haldrik. Breaking the law in a text based RPG. You rebel you.

[Kithus]

I'm sure they know now.

Seriously man this is like painting a target on your back. At this point you deserve the warning. You're deliberately and flagrantly AFK scripting.

[Gelston]

Seriously man this is like painting a target on your back. At this point you deserve the warning. You're deliberately and flagrantly AFK scripting.

He is obviously an attention whore.

[SpiffyJr]

I'm sure they know now.

Doesn't really matter if they know. As long as your attentive you're not breaking any laws. If you can get an alert and respond quickly enough that's being attentive.

[Tgo01]

I think we're flirting with the line between afk scripting and not-afk-scripting-but-not-totally-paying-attention.

[Methais]

Doesn't really matter if they know. As long as your attentive you're not breaking any laws. If you can get an alert and respond quickly enough that's being attentive.

If a GM has a big enough hardon for someone, they'll eventually find a way to stick it up someone's ass and cite the whole "discretion" thing as their reasoning.

[SpiffyJr]

If a GM has a big enough hardon for someone, they'll eventually find a way to stick it up someone's ass and cite the whole "discretion" thing as their reasoning.

Truth. I got pretty annoyed with the frequency of my script checks and just opted to stop playing instead. Glad I did, too, I won't have time once I get into that sexy Overwatch beta (plz Blizzard, hook me up).

[Soulance]

Wondering if they get a bonus for catching people now. I'm about ready to drop out as well. Another $100 a month would be nice in my pocket for sure! Looks like they're raising the penalties now too. Forget 30 days, here comes 60 and 90!

[Haldrik]

Seriously man this is like painting a target on your back. At this point you deserve the warning. You're deliberately and flagrantly AFK scripting.

Wait... Does anyone actually think I'm serious?

Just to be clear, there's no fucking way I would walk around with something in my ear to avoid script checks. Or do anything that tied me to the game remotely in that fashion.

I simply don't afk so I'm catching all the script checks as they come.

[Wrathbringer]

Wait... Does anyone actually think I'm serious?

Just to be clear, there's no fucking way I would walk around with something in my ear to avoid script checks. Or do anything that tied me to the game remotely in that fashion.

I simply don't afk so I'm catching all the script checks as they come.

If it makes you feel any better, I didn't believe you for a second.

[Haldrik]

If it makes you feel any better, I didn't believe you for a second.

Not really. Your trolling was getting out of hand for awhile and I couldn't distinguish the real you from the troll you. Maybe I'll stop neg repping you at least.

[Wrathbringer]

Not really. Your trolling was getting out of hand for awhile and I couldn't distinguish the real you from the troll you. Maybe I'll stop neg repping you at least.

You've been neg repping me?

[Haldrik]

You've been neg repping me?

Not for awhile. Just that locksmith thread. Then i got you confused with Candor. It was a mess.

[Wrathbringer]

Not for awhile. Just that locksmith thread. Then i got you confused with Candor. It was a mess.

:lol:

[indomitable]

My apologies for the thread necromancy, I'm usually just a lurker here. However I felt compelled to register and post, and as my post is on topic for this thread so it seems to be the best place for it.
I had GM Mikos visit me today, and talk to me about how I hunt- saying that something was wrong with it and I am breaking the rules- and I thought I'd like to share the conversation and get some input from the community because the GM seemed reluctant to provide me with any sort of concrete or actionable feedback whatsoever.
(before the copy-paste you see here, for context, I had just returned from a hunt and was buffing myself up and was about to go hand in a bounty when I was knocked over by a strong wind.)
I have edited out player's names, as identifying them doesn't seem to add any value to the topic. Other than that, the conversation is verbatim.


Mikos says, "Wind can get kind of rough in here sometimes."
>nod
You nod.
>'never seen it be windy before
You say, "Never seen it be windy before."
You feel at full magical power again.
>'at least, not enough to knock me over!
You exclaim, "At least, not enough to knock me over!"
Mikos says, "Just thought I'd stop by and let you know that you're garnering complaints in your hunting area."
>'what manner of complaints?
You ask, "What manner of complaints?"
>'I don't think i've poached anyone, at least not to my knowledge if they were hiding
You say, "I don't think i've poached anyone, at least not to my knowledge if they were hiding."
Mikos says, "I see the last time a GM felt it needed to step in and check for afk scripting was back in November, which is good."
>'only people ive seen in there today are PLAYERNAME and PLAYERNAME.
You say, "Only people ive seen in there today are PLAYERNAME and PLAYERNAME."
Mikos says, "But when your script makes you too bot-like for other players to accept your actions as being at the keyboard and aware, then they complain and we have to take time to check things."
>'neither of whom have said a single word to me
You say, "Neither of whom have said a single word to me."
>nod
You nod.
>'perhaps if they'd like to know if im afk they might consider saying hi, or anything
You say, "Perhaps if they'd like to know if im afk they might consider saying hi, or anything."
>'to me
You say, "To me."
Mikos says, "They haven't had time to say anything. You blow past them so fast they couldn't say anything if they wanted to."
>'instead of wasting your time
You say, "Instead of wasting your time."
>'but, thanks for checking
You say, "But, thanks for checking."
>'that's not at all true if you've been watching
You say, "That's not at all true if you've been watching."
>'PLAYERNAME runs around like a chicken with his head cut off
You say, "PLAYERNAME runs around like a chicken with his head cut off."
Mikos says, "I've been watching for the past hour, and it's quite true."
>'and i have been stationary quite enough for PLAYERNAME to speak to me on numerous occasions
You say, "And i have been stationary quite enough for PLAYERNAME to speak to me on numerous occasions."
>'all he's done is emote at an eidolon i was going to kill
You say, "All he's done is emote at an eidolon i was going to kill."
>'but left for him instead since he seemed so intent on it
You say, "But left for him instead since he seemed so intent on it."
The layer of protection fades away.
>'i guess we each have our own definitions of what is an apporpriate level o fhow much one should move around
You say, "I guess we each have our own definitions of what is an apporpriate level o fhow much one should move around."
>'but
You say, "But."
>'i use ;wander to find creatures
You say, "I use ;wander to find creatures."
>'and
You say, "And."
>'i have specifically edited it to move more slowly
You say, "I have specifically edited it to move more slowly."
Mikos says, "We can argue about it if you like, but I'm here to let you know that if you want to avoid a situation that will negate your efficiency, you'd be best off adjusting your approach a bit."
>'im not sure i catch your meaning there
You say, "Im not sure i catch your meaning there."
>'are you saying i am behaving inappropriately and should change something?
You ask, "Are you saying i am behaving inappropriately and should change something?"
>'if so, in what way
You say, "If so, in what way."
>'I would be happy to oblige
You say, "I would be happy to oblige."
Mikos says, "A well-crafted script is indistinguishable from a person at the keyboard, so it's the actions that other players perceive as bots that cause complaints. If your actions don't garner complaints, I don't have to get involved at all."
>'do you at all think it's approriate for players to be reporting people for being afk without even saying anything to them
You say, "Do you at all think it's approriate for players to be reporting people for being afk without even saying anything to them."
>stare
You stare at nothing in particular.
Mikos says, "When other players perceive afk scripting, then GMs have to invest time."
>'sounds like a major case of taddle-tale idiocy to me
You say, "Sounds like a major case of taddle-tale idiocy to me."
>'but, im happy to be script checked it doesnt bother me one iota
You say, "But, im happy to be script checked it doesnt bother me one iota."
Mikos says, "I've watched you for the past hour. I would have guessed you were afk scripting. If I hadn't come here I could not have spoken to you in the hunting area. You never slowed down enough for me to speak to you."
>'i think a purple giraffe bit me once when I was living in icemule, that was fun
You say, "I think a purple giraffe bit me once when I was living in icemule, that was fun."
>'that's patently false, it takes me at least 10 seconds to kill an eidolon, somtimes longer
You say, "That's patently false, it takes me at least 10 seconds to kill an eidolon, somtimes longer."
>'actually, usually longer
You say, "Actually, usually longer."
Mikos says, "I don't interact when someone's fighting, there's enough scroll they can claim they missed it."
>'5-7 casts typically
You say, "5-7 casts typically."
>'well that's reasonable of you I suppose, but why would you think
You say, "Well that's reasonable of you I suppose, but why would you think."
>'that other players couldnt try interacting during that time
You say, "That other players couldnt try interacting during that time."
>'because they're too busy reading CS/TD combat rolls? that's a bit ridiculous
You say, "Because they're too busy reading CS/TD combat rolls? that's a bit ridiculous."
>'is there an appropriate amount of time one should linger between fighting each creature that I should adjust for?
You ask, "Is there an appropriate amount of time one should linger between fighting each creature that I should adjust for?"
Mikos says, "As I said, we can talk about it, but my goal is to avoid this kind of situation escalating to where action on my part is needed beyond a suggestion."
>'i can appreciate that, but at the same time
You say, "I can appreciate that, but at the same time."
>'youre asking me to behave in a way that complies to another player's preferences
You say, "Youre asking me to behave in a way that complies to another player's preferences."
>'when that players preferences are ill defined
You say, "When that players preferences are ill defined."
Mikos says, "For me to make suggestions on how a person might or should script is a slippery slope and not one that I'm willing to tread."
>'and further, that player seems to be utterly unwilling to interact with me
You say, "And further, that player seems to be utterly unwilling to interact with me."
>'so how am I to know how to conform to their expectations
You say, "So how am I to know how to conform to their expectations."
>'or even disregard them entirely if i find them unacceptable
You say, "Or even disregard them entirely if i find them unacceptable."
>'in which case, that player should be your problem, and not mine
You say, "In which case, that player should be your problem, and not mine."
>'for abusing the report mechanic
You say, "For abusing the report mechanic."
Mikos says, "As I said, I've made an appearance and provided a suggestion for trying to avoid a situation that won't be to anyone's benefit. If what I've said is of no value, then I've failed to achieve what I hoped to."
>'to my memory, you havent provided a suggestion
You say, "To my memory, you havent provided a suggestion."
>'perhaps you could remind me?
You ask, "Perhaps you could remind me?"
>'all you've told me is that you'v ebeen compelled to check on whether or not i am afk scripting by another player
You say, "All you've told me is that you'v ebeen compelled to check on whether or not i am afk scripting by another player."
>'and been following me for an hour
You say, "And been following me for an hour."
>'which means, you've seen that either that player has refused to interact with me, or has been (somehow) unable to do so
You say, "Which means, you've seen that either that player has refused to interact with me, or has been (somehow) unable to do so."
>'which I find highly unlikely
You say, "Which I find highly unlikely."
Mikos says, "Since the last time a GM felt they needed to check on scripting was a couple of months ago, so clearly you're doing things right. However, the complaints tonight suggest that adjusting your script to appear less bot-like might be a good idea. I'm sure you'll take those actions you deem worthwhile."
>'clearly I don't understand what you mean
You say, "Clearly I don't understand what you mean."
>'how should I adjust when you wont say what i'm doing wrong
You say, "How should I adjust when you wont say what i'm doing wrong."
>sigh
You sigh.
Mikos says, "I'm sorry, I don't know of a way to say it any clearer."
Mikos says, "Have a good rest of the evening."
Mikos smiles.
>'you're saying change how I hunt, what do you want me to change
You say, "You're saying change how I hunt, what do you want me to change."
Mikos bows to you.
Mikos suddenly fades out of sight.


Excuse the horrible typos, I was rather upset that this fellow seemed to just be stop-and-frisking me at the behest of some toolbag for literally no reason, so my spell-checking care-o-meter was hitting a solid 0 on a 0-10 scale.

I get the feeling that someone decided to REPORT me for afk-scripting, without even like... saying hi to me or trying to interact with me in any way. I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong, or why I'm being told I am doing something wrong by behaving too "bot-like" amid other players when those players arent saying anything to me or interacting with me. I was not afk-scripting, and never have- and when I got bitten by a giraffe when they had checked me last year I even got a roleplaying reward for rolling with the punches of a zoo animal attacking me. My second experience with a GM has been much less pleasant and far more threatening/accusatory.

For clarification/context, I use ;wander in bonespear to find eidolons because there are *TONS* of doors/arches/trapdoors/carpets and portals that become very very annoying to have to type over and over. I have explicitly edited ;wander to delay a bit in each room (a little over a second for each) because I personally find it annoying when people blitz a room I'm hunting in 8 times between each one of my casts- so I try not to do it to others.

So, yes, if someone does say something to me while I'm hunting and passing through a room I usually keep going and do a ;who (name) to see if I can talk to them on lnet, and if not I make sure to stop by them next time I see them and see what they need. For instance, a couple days ago a bard had lost her shield to a Dybbuk and asked for some help, and she said something but I had to ;locate and ;go2 her room number to go back to talk to her. By the time I had a chance to ;wander dybbuk around for 3-4 or so minutes and look at all the ones I found, Drafix had come and already resolved the bard's problem quite quickly.

That seems totally reasonable to me as a metric of 'how interactive are you.' I'm not gunna stop and chat with every person I see, unless I know them, but if they talk to me I'll indulge them. I envision my character roaming around the halls of bonespear putting down eidolons like a boss now that i've finally got 1 level up on them- it's not out of the ordinary to see others there sometimes, and if they make themselves known I'm happy to talk to them but, socializing is not my primary purpose for being there- that is more of an in-town thing for when I might engage others in conversation.

So I guess, ultimately, I'm at a loss as to where I stand in regards to the rules that this GM is saying I am breaking. Is there somewhere I should read that spells out what I'm doing wrong so I can avoid this in the future? Since GM Mikos seems unwilling to tell me how I should behave differently other than just "do less of what you're doing," (which I don't understand?) maybe some of you have some input as to what I'm doing wrong and how I could improve?

Also, does anyone else think there should be a policy in place that you should like-- actually have a reason to suspect someone of doing something wrong before you go mouthing off and wasting a GM's time?

It seems this GM is upset with *ME* for someone else having totally wasted his time, my time, and unwittingly (shocker), their own time.

Thanks for your input
-concerned, upset, confused

[Tgo01]

My apologies for the thread necromancy, I'm usually just a lurker here. However I felt compelled to register and post, and as my post is on topic for this thread so it seems to be the best place for it.
I had GM Mikos visit me today, and talk to me about how I hunt- saying that something was wrong with it and I am breaking the rules- and I thought I'd like to share the conversation and get some input from the community because the GM seemed reluctant to provide me with any sort of concrete or actionable feedback whatsoever.
(before the copy-paste you see here, for context, I had just returned from a hunt and was buffing myself up and was about to go hand in a bounty when I was knocked over by a strong wind.)
I have edited out player's names, as identifying them doesn't seem to add any value to the topic. Other than that, the conversation is verbatim.




Excuse the horrible typos, I was rather upset that this fellow seemed to just be stop-and-frisking me at the behest of some toolbag for literally no reason, so my spell-checking care-o-meter was hitting a solid 0 on a 0-10 scale.

I get the feeling that someone decided to REPORT me for afk-scripting, without even like... saying hi to me or trying to interact with me in any way. I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong, or why I'm being told I am doing something wrong by behaving too "bot-like" amid other players when those players arent saying anything to me or interacting with me. I was not afk-scripting, and never have- and when I got bitten by a giraffe when they had checked me last year I even got a roleplaying reward for rolling with the punches of a zoo animal attacking me. My second experience with a GM has been much less pleasant and far more threatening/accusatory.

For clarification/context, I use ;wander in bonespear to find eidolons because there are *TONS* of doors/arches/trapdoors/carpets and portals that become very very annoying to have to type over and over. I have explicitly edited ;wander to delay a bit in each room (a little over a second for each) because I personally find it annoying when people blitz a room I'm hunting in 8 times between each one of my casts- so I try not to do it to others.

So, yes, if someone does say something to me while I'm hunting and passing through a room I usually keep going and do a ;who (name) to see if I can talk to them on lnet, and if not I make sure to stop by them next time I see them and see what they need. For instance, a couple days ago a bard had lost her shield to a Dybbuk and asked for some help, and she said something but I had to ;locate and ;go2 her room number to go back to talk to her. By the time I had a chance to ;wander dybbuk around for 3-4 or so minutes and look at all the ones I found, Drafix had come and already resolved the bard's problem quite quickly.

That seems totally reasonable to me as a metric of 'how interactive are you.' I'm not gunna stop and chat with every person I see, unless I know them, but if they talk to me I'll indulge them. I envision my character roaming around the halls of bonespear putting down eidolons like a boss now that i've finally got 1 level up on them- it's not out of the ordinary to see others there sometimes, and if they make themselves known I'm happy to talk to them but, socializing is not my primary purpose for being there- that is more of an in-town thing for when I might engage others in conversation.

So I guess, ultimately, I'm at a loss as to where I stand in regards to the rules that this GM is saying I am breaking. Is there somewhere I should read that spells out what I'm doing wrong so I can avoid this in the future? Since GM Mikos seems unwilling to tell me how I should behave differently other than just "do less of what you're doing," (which I don't understand?) maybe some of you have some input as to what I'm doing wrong and how I could improve?

Also, does anyone else think there should be a policy in place that you should like-- actually have a reason to suspect someone of doing something wrong before you go mouthing off and wasting a GM's time?

It seems this GM is upset with *ME* for someone else having totally wasted his time, my time, and unwittingly (shocker), their own time.

Thanks for your input
-concerned, upset, confused

The reason the GM was being vague in regards to what you should do differently is because there isn't anything you can do differently, if someone thinks you're afk scripting they are going to report you no matter what. Running a script is 100% legal. You are perfectly within the rules to run a script that runs through a hunting area looking for a critter to kill, the problem arises when you are doing this afk, hence why it's impossible for a GM or a player to know if you're afk script hunting or merely script hunting.

The rules for reporting someone for afk scripting are fine. I mean sure they should need a reason but the reason of "They are running through the area really fast and not interacting" should suffice. They report the player to the GMs because the GMs have the tools and the power to do something about it, a player does not.

The GM might have been annoyed for having to check up on you but that's not your fault and it's really not the fault of the person who reported you, unless this person was on the other side of Elanthia when they reported you just to be an ass.

Honestly I wouldn't worry about it. You're going to keep getting reported so I would pay extra attention for script checks for the next few weeks but after a while either the people who are reporting you will not bother reporting you any longer or the GMs won't bother checking on you as often for a while.

Trust me. I'm an expert.

[Donquix]

Someone was complaining earlier tonight about being dead in bonespear and someone just running past them over and over. Coulda been that.

[Tgo01]

Someone was complaining earlier tonight about being dead in bonespear and someone just running past them over and over. Coulda been that.

Yeah if that was you then you should set your script up to stop for dead people.

Your script checks get cut in half by stopping for dead bodies. Plus passing by a dead player without stopping sets off all sorts of red flags for GMs for some reason. I mean sure I guess I can understand their concern; most people stop for a corpse, but what if there is history between the two? Maybe they are glad that person is dead?

[Taernath]

Well if you weren't on Mikos' shit list, you probably are now.

[Geijon Khyree]

He watched for an hour before he popped in and commented. I beat it was a lot of rinse, repeat on a 4 minute timer. It looks like scripting and sometimes it is. Try hunting in areas without people, log when others are around, or hunt late at night.

The thing is I'm sure you were scripting. You just weren't AFK.

I'd then re-iterate tgo's comments.

[indomitable]

The reason the GM was being vague in regards to what you should do differently is because there isn't anything you can do differently, if someone thinks you're afk scripting they are going to report you no matter what. Running a script is 100% legal. You are perfectly within the rules to run a script that runs through a hunting area looking for a critter to kill, the problem arises when you are doing this afk, hence why it's impossible for a GM or a player to know if you're afk script hunting or merely script hunting.

The rules for reporting someone for afk scripting are fine. I mean sure they should need a reason but the reason of "They are running through the area really fast and not interacting" should suffice. They report the player to the GMs because the GMs have the tools and the power to do something about it, a player does not.

Mikos says, "As I said, we can talk about it, but my goal is to avoid this kind of situation escalating to where action on my part is needed beyond a suggestion."

The GM might have been annoyed for having to check up on you but that's not your fault and it's really not the fault of the person who reported you, unless this person was on the other side of Elanthia when they reported you just to be an ass.

Honestly I wouldn't worry about it. You're going to keep getting reported so I would pay extra attention for script checks for the next few weeks but after a while either the people who are reporting you will not bother reporting you any longer or the GMs won't bother checking on you as often for a while.

Trust me. I'm an expert.
Thanks TGO. I have read your other posts on this issue, and it mostly seemed that either players had some sort of odd vendetta against you (perhaps related to your forum persona?) or they reported you for afk scripting when you were not afk and it happened so much that the GMs started hating on you hard.

I am mostly concerned here because Mikos seemed to be indicating that I was doing something wrong or should change my behavior despite the fact that I am not afk scripting.


Mikos says, "As I said, we can talk about it, but my goal is to avoid this kind of situation escalating to where action on my part is needed beyond a suggestion."

He seems to be threatening me here like-- stop being you or else imma escalate this on you and bad things will happen to you. How the f* am I supposed to stop other people from reporting me when they very literally are reporting me without even interacting with me at all? I don't get it.
Also, I like the part where he's all- "we can talk about it"- and then peaces off without answering me at all.

As it stands, I think I'm just hunting near toxic or antisocial people and because the rules apparently indicate that other players can dictate whether or not I am violating behavioral expectations, I should probably just go somewhere else? Seems like the best option right now.

[Candor]

Your script checks get cut in half by stopping for dead bodies. Plus passing by a dead player without stopping sets off all sorts of red flags for GMs for some reason. I mean sure I guess I can understand their concern; most people stop for a corpse, but what if there is history between the two? Maybe they are glad that person is dead?

I'm no fan of scripters, but I gotta chime in on this point. You have no obligation to stop for a dead body. If you just don't want to help someone, then too bad for them.

I appreciate that many characters stop for dead bodies and that a character not doing so might raise a yellow flag for a GM watching them. But by itself, this should not mean much. I think one or two GMs may be overreacting a bit.

[indomitable]

I would only not stop for a body if it was someone who I disliked (the two PLAYERNAMES in my quote have now earned themselves venerable positions on this list- despite the fact that I don't know which of them is the child) or if there was already someone there helping them. My character is tiny so I can't really drag people or help in much of a capacity beyond sym preservation, because I cannot animate dead people yet.


Well if you weren't on Mikos' shit list, you probably are now.


I don't know who Mikos is, or really care. I don't want to know or care who he is either unless he's involved in some in-game story I want to play a part in- in which case I'd hope he would treat me fairly. Whoever he is, I'm glad he now knows I'm upset about the interaction we had, because I am.

[Donquix]

He watched for an hour before he popped in and commented. I beat it was a lot of rinse, repeat on a 4 minute timer. It looks like scripting and sometimes it is. Try hunting in areas without people, log when others are around, or hunt late at night.

The thing is I'm sure you were scripting. You just weren't AFK.

I'd then re-iterate tgo's comments.

While i don't doubt the of on this sub-thread was at the very least running around with wander, which really is pretty much all most people see when you script anyway, it's been my experience that GM's perception of time is...questionable at best when it comes to this sort of thing.

[Silvean]

GMs will say that players should report people who appear to be afk scripting and they'll say that it's not a player's responsibility to investigate afk scripting further. They'll also say that it wastes their time to investigate afk scripting. So that's the dilemma.

I only report when I see someone I know is afk scripting because they have a broken script going haywire. This has happened 3 or 4 times in the last couple of years.

[Tgo01]

He seems to be threatening me here like-- stop being you or else imma escalate this on you and bad things will happen to you. How the f* am I supposed to stop other people from reporting me when they very literally are reporting me without even interacting with me at all? I don't get it.

I think he was assuming you were afk scripting but you happened to catch the script check, that sort of ties into what he said earlier in the conversation about him watching you for an hour and he thought for sure you were afk scripting. He was probably just warning you to be careful because next time you might not pass the afk script check then you will most certainly be facing some sort of action.

That part did sort of sound like a threat but it was probably a mix of bad choice of words on his part and him being annoyed by your questions. GMs tend to not like being questioned. Just remember that as long as you pass your afk script checks then you're in the clear. They tend to ask you to play nice with other people but I don't see how you can get any nicer than using a modified version of wander. Screw the whiners!


I'm no fan of scripters, but I gotta chime in on this point. You have no obligation to stop for a dead body. If you just don't want to help someone, then too bad for them.

I appreciate that many characters stop for dead bodies and that a character not doing so might raise a yellow flag for a GM watching them. But by itself, this should not mean much. I think one or two GMs may be overreacting a bit.

One time I passed by one of my own characters who was dead because quite frankly I just wasn't in the mood to deal with it so a GM pulled me aside and one of the first things he said was "I saw you pass by that dead body without saying a word, while you're under no onus to help it does indicate you might be afk scripting."

So you don't have to help but it is something GMs look for, probably because it's an often cited reason for why players report another player for afk scripting.

[Donquix]

I think he was assuming you were afk scripting but you happened to catch the script check, that sort of ties into what he said earlier in the conversation about him watching you for an hour and he thought for sure you were afk scripting. He was probably just warning you to be careful because next time you might not pass the afk script check then you will most certainly be facing some sort of action.

That part did sort of sound like a threat but it was probably a mix of bad choice of words on his part and him being annoyed by your questions. GMs tend to not like being questioned. Just remember that as long as you pass your afk script checks then you're in the clear. They tend to ask you to play nice with other people but I don't see how you can get any nicer than using a modified version of wander. Screw the whiners!



One time I passed by one of my own characters who was dead because quite frankly I just wasn't in the mood to deal with it so a GM pulled me aside and one of the first things he said was "I saw you pass by that dead body without saying a word, while you're under no onus to help it does indicate you might be afk scripting."

So you don't have to help but it is something GMs look for, probably because it's an often cited reason for why players report another player for afk scripting.

the proper response to that is to report on the dead character like "hey <insert gm name here>, it's cool broski"

[subzero]

My apologies for the thread necromancy, I'm usually just a lurker here. However I felt compelled to register and post, and as my post is on topic for this thread so it seems to be the best place for it.
I had GM Mikos visit me today, and talk to me about how I hunt- saying that something was wrong with it and I am breaking the rules- and I thought I'd like to share the conversation and get some input from the community because the GM seemed reluctant to provide me with any sort of concrete or actionable feedback whatsoever.
(before the copy-paste you see here, for context, I had just returned from a hunt and was buffing myself up and was about to go hand in a bounty when I was knocked over by a strong wind.)
I have edited out player's names, as identifying them doesn't seem to add any value to the topic. Other than that, the conversation is verbatim.




Excuse the horrible typos, I was rather upset that this fellow seemed to just be stop-and-frisking me at the behest of some toolbag for literally no reason, so my spell-checking care-o-meter was hitting a solid 0 on a 0-10 scale.

I get the feeling that someone decided to REPORT me for afk-scripting, without even like... saying hi to me or trying to interact with me in any way. I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong, or why I'm being told I am doing something wrong by behaving too "bot-like" amid other players when those players arent saying anything to me or interacting with me. I was not afk-scripting, and never have- and when I got bitten by a giraffe when they had checked me last year I even got a roleplaying reward for rolling with the punches of a zoo animal attacking me. My second experience with a GM has been much less pleasant and far more threatening/accusatory.

For clarification/context, I use ;wander in bonespear to find eidolons because there are *TONS* of doors/arches/trapdoors/carpets and portals that become very very annoying to have to type over and over. I have explicitly edited ;wander to delay a bit in each room (a little over a second for each) because I personally find it annoying when people blitz a room I'm hunting in 8 times between each one of my casts- so I try not to do it to others.

So, yes, if someone does say something to me while I'm hunting and passing through a room I usually keep going and do a ;who (name) to see if I can talk to them on lnet, and if not I make sure to stop by them next time I see them and see what they need. For instance, a couple days ago a bard had lost her shield to a Dybbuk and asked for some help, and she said something but I had to ;locate and ;go2 her room number to go back to talk to her. By the time I had a chance to ;wander dybbuk around for 3-4 or so minutes and look at all the ones I found, Drafix had come and already resolved the bard's problem quite quickly.

That seems totally reasonable to me as a metric of 'how interactive are you.' I'm not gunna stop and chat with every person I see, unless I know them, but if they talk to me I'll indulge them. I envision my character roaming around the halls of bonespear putting down eidolons like a boss now that i've finally got 1 level up on them- it's not out of the ordinary to see others there sometimes, and if they make themselves known I'm happy to talk to them but, socializing is not my primary purpose for being there- that is more of an in-town thing for when I might engage others in conversation.

So I guess, ultimately, I'm at a loss as to where I stand in regards to the rules that this GM is saying I am breaking. Is there somewhere I should read that spells out what I'm doing wrong so I can avoid this in the future? Since GM Mikos seems unwilling to tell me how I should behave differently other than just "do less of what you're doing," (which I don't understand?) maybe some of you have some input as to what I'm doing wrong and how I could improve?

Also, does anyone else think there should be a policy in place that you should like-- actually have a reason to suspect someone of doing something wrong before you go mouthing off and wasting a GM's time?

It seems this GM is upset with *ME* for someone else having totally wasted his time, my time, and unwittingly (shocker), their own time.

Thanks for your input
-concerned, upset, confused

Fuck'em. Cancel now.

[Tgo01]

the proper response to that is to report on the dead character like "hey <insert gm name here>, it's cool broski"

lol if only I was so ballsy back then.

[subzero]

Yeah if that was you then you should set your script up to stop for dead people.

Yeah! Cover'em with dirt and move on. Flag it so you only do it once.

[Tgo01]

Yeah! Cover'em with dirt and move on. Flag it so you only do it once.

There's an idea!

cover dead body
report I passed by "dead body" because I don't want to help, not because I'm afk scripting.

[Velfi]

I enjoyed Mikos just talking at you the whole time. At least (s)he is consistent.

[Androidpk]

I enjoyed Mikos just talking at you the whole time. At least (s)he is consistent.

(s)he was scripting.

[Velfi]

(s)he was scripting.

And apparently responsive as well as armed with a backpack full of valid points. What's yours?

[indomitable]

And apparently responsive as well as armed with a backpack full of valid points. What's yours?
i think it was a joke, that Mikos was scripting being a GM.

sorry if that is not hte case, Android

[Velfi]

Possibly so. Pity chuckle for the lack of clarity if that's the case.

[Androidpk]

i think it was a joke, that Mikos was scripting being a GM.

sorry if that is not hte case, Android

It was a joke, yes. Velfi is sensitive.

[Candor]

There's an idea!

cover dead body
report I passed by "dead body" because I don't want to help, not because I'm afk scripting.

You just like playing "Dodge the Lightning Bolt".

[Deathravin]

GM on a power trip, plain and simple.

If he wants to see if you're AFK, have him do a script check. If he doesn't want you acting like you're scripting he can re-design the game so it's not the single most intense grind in the history of gaming, he can slow down the game servers so you aren't quite as fast, or he can change the policy to ban scripting at all - but he better be prepared for those consequences.

It's simply not your fault that technology has progressed such that we have complex scripting systems and fast internet connections - but that sounds like his problem, not yours.

I swear every time I come back to this game, the reasons why I leave come flooding back. The grind, the GMs, the half-assery, the genius-level creativity completely cock-blocked by a total lack of follow-through, forethought, design, project management, and execution. Gemstone IV's only problem is Simu. And Simu's only problem is that they have the creative people thinking they can actually run a business. Like if a troop of ballerinas hooked up with a band of thespians and decided they wanted to build a rocket to the moon. You fast-forward 20 years and all you have is chaos... Hey, it's very beautiful chaos, but it's also useless, and it sure as hell isn't getting you to the moon - then the PR brigade comes along and assures you that not only are we going to mars, but we're so confused why you thought we were going to Jupiter in the first place?

Ugh. I need to stop thinking this game is anything but stress for me.

[Haldrik]

Fuck'em. Cancel now.

Thanks for reminding me. I've been so fucking busy my accounts have just been billing for a few months. Whoops.

[Haldrik]

GM on a power trip, plain and simple.

If he wants to see if you're AFK, have him do a script check. If he doesn't want you acting like you're scripting he can re-design the game so it's not the single most intense grind in the history of gaming, he can slow down the game servers so you aren't quite as fast, or he can change the policy to ban scripting at all - but he better be prepared for those consequences.

It's simply not your fault that technology has progressed such that we have complex scripting systems and fast internet connections - but that sounds like his problem, not yours.



Yeah, this kind of behavior is straight up ridiculous. Run the check, move on with your life. Fucking GM doesn't need to take an "hour" to see if someone is scripting. GMs just get pissed that they wasted time and didnt catch anyone. Then the lectures ensue. Nothing new here.

Fucking idiots.

[Candor]

Yeah, this kind of behavior is straight up ridiculous. Run the check, move on with your life. Fucking GM doesn't need to take an "hour" to see if someone is scripting. GMs just get pissed that they wasted time and didnt catch anyone. Then the lectures ensue. Nothing new here.

I question the GMs approach in this case. Having said that, the simple truth is that some of you want to AFK script solely so you can sell coins and items to other players. When you get caught AFK scripting, you get pissed off. Well, too fucking bad. A lot of us playing the game don't want you morons ruining it by selling coins and items you found while AFK scripting. SIMU agrees with us. Trust me, very few people miss you AFK scripting morons when you leave the game.

Yes occassionally a few GMs won't approach the problem the right way. But the real problem is you morons ruining the game for your own personal benefit.

This is your cue to fire up the negative reps. Go ahead, I can use the laughs.

[Latrinsorm]

As it stands, I think I'm just hunting near toxic or antisocial people and because the rules apparently indicate that other players can dictate whether or not I am violating behavioral expectations, I should probably just go somewhere else? Seems like the best option right now.The important thing to keep in mind is you weren't found guilty (no ban, no warning, etc.) because you weren't in fact guilty. Don't worry about the tenor of Mikos' statements, because in text that's a matter of fine interpretation anyway. You're playing by the rules, keep playing by the rules and you'll be fine.
Like if a troop of ballerinas hooked up with a band of thespians and decided they wanted to build a rocket to the moon.For the record, Neil Armstrong was in fact a ballerina.

[Haldrik]

The important thing to keep in mind is you weren't found guilty (no ban, no warning, etc.) because you weren't in fact guilty. Don't worry about the tenor of Mikos' statements, because in text that's a matter of fine interpretation anyway. You're playing by the rules, keep playing by the rules and you'll be fine.For the record, Neil Armstrong was in fact a ballerina.

Except now he will get script checked 2-3 times a day for 3 weeks straight until he eventually misses a single gust of wind. And 2-3 lectures later no doubt.

[Parkbandit]

He watched for an hour before he popped in and commented. I beat it was a lot of rinse, repeat on a 4 minute timer. It looks like scripting and sometimes it is. Try hunting in areas without people, log when others are around, or hunt late at night.

The thing is I'm sure you were scripting. You just weren't AFK.

I'd then re-iterate tgo's comments.

Scripting is 100% legal in Gemstone.

AFK scripting is not legal in Gemstone.

I don't see what he was doing is bad... and it certainly doesn't warrant him to only hunt when people are not there or somewhere else or late at night.

Kind of like what they said.. PLAYERNAME could have initiated a conversation or something, but didn't.

[Latrinsorm]

Except now he will get script checked 2-3 times a day for 3 weeks straight until he eventually misses a single gust of wind. And 2-3 lectures later no doubt.We'll see. :)

[Taernath]

Scripting is 100% legal in Gemstone.


Remember that they changed the policy language recently.

Scripting, afk or not, for a certain proportion of the time you're online is no longer allowed.

From the website:


What constitutes long-term scripting? The following is a general guide to help you avoid being warned by a GM for long term scripting. It's not an absolute and the GM's judgment will vary from instance to instance. Each instance of long term scripting will be judged independently. However, any scripting activity that lasts over 10 minutes will be considered long-term scripting. Also, spending 25% or more of your time online scripting will be considered excessive.

It's bullshit, but this is Simu we're talking about here.

[subzero]

Scripting is 100% legal in Gemstone.

Unless you're "bot-like" and someone has a stick up their ass.


I don't see what he was doing is bad... and it certainly doesn't warrant him to only hunt when people are not there or somewhere else or late at night.

Unfortunately that doesn't seem to be the way things work with Simu. They cater to the people who bitch about other people 'ruining' their enjoyment of the game. Never mind that these people are in turn ruining the other guy's enjoyment via GM harassment/script checking and attempting to force these people to play in some arbitrary "my way"-style and speed rather than their own method.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdYF8NhEDn0

[JackWhisper]

All this makes me remember when TGO got so harassed, he coded his script to pause in each room for like 2 seconds, and if someone was hunting, he ran back to town to sit for 10 minutes, regardless of fry.


That is some bullshit.

[Deathravin]

What constitutes long-term scripting? The following is a general guide to help you avoid being warned by a GM for long term scripting. It's not an absolute and the GM's judgment will vary from instance to instance. Each instance of long term scripting will be judged independently. However, any scripting activity that lasts over 10 minutes will be considered long-term scripting. Also, spending 25% or more of your time online scripting will be considered excessive.

WTH is scripting? I have 20 scripts running and no commands are being input. When my spells are about to fall, they are put back up. Is that scripting? Whatever - it don't matter. I don't want the main game to turn into Shattered, but I also don't see how they can build a game that requires 6 months of 24/7 play to cap, a system where you have to type in EVERY. SINGLE. Minute ACTION, and yet expect you to do it manually hundreds of thousands of times.

Hell, they even give you things to do between hunts (Guilds, Picking, Loresinging, etc), and then complain that you're not taking time to role play. I dunno. If they want to mandate a certain % of time for roleplay, then do that. If not, then shut it.

Even the boon they give you when you do a particularly awesome session of role playing is what... a boost to EXP with a timer sitting on it forcing you to STOP role playing to go use it. Everything they do is backwards.

[Roblar]

...a game that requires 6 months of 24/7 play to cap, a system where you have to type in EVERY. SINGLE. Minute ACTION, and yet expect you to do it manually hundreds of thousands of times.

Maybe I'm just nuts, but that is exactly the game I play - for 43M exp. But I understand scripting benefits and that the new policy seems vague as to the "scripting activity" time limits wording, since most players likely have background scripts running.


Even the boon they give you when you do a particularly awesome session of role playing is what... a boost to EXP with a timer sitting on it forcing you to STOP role playing to go use it. Everything they do is backwards.

This is false. RPAs don't have timers, Gift of Lumnis does. If you have an empty head, the RPA will freeze where it was, you need to process experience to wear it out.

[Candor]

I also don't see how they can build a game that requires 6 months of 24/7 play to cap, a system where you have to type in EVERY. SINGLE. Minute ACTION, and yet expect you to do it manually hundreds of thousands of times.

That's exactly how I play, and have played, for over 20 years. It took me 17 years to cap a character. Yes...seventeen years. Many players in the history of GS have played typing in EVERY. SINGLE. ACTION into the game, and have enjoyed it.

Clearly you need to be playing something else. Don't let the gate slam your arse on the way out.

[Fallen]

You can script heavily and never really have a problem with the GMs. It is when you completely automate activities that the problems arise. If you can go minutes on end (minus X realms travel) without having to enter in a command while hunting, healing, etc then you're likely to run afoul of the GMs.

I understand people want to be able to have the game play itself while they watch (or don't), but sooner or later, regardless of the exact wording of policy, the GMs will grief you for it.

[Warriorbird]

That's exactly how I play, and have played, for over 20 years. It took me 17 years to cap a character. Yes...seventeen years. Many players in the history of GS have played typing in EVERY. SINGLE. ACTION into the game, and have enjoyed it.

Clearly you need to be playing something else. Don't let the gate slam your arse on the way out.

People have scripted since nearly the beginning of GS. Just because you think you are somehow elite doesn't mean you are.

[Candor]

People have scripted since nearly the beginning of GS. Just because you think you are somehow elite doesn't mean you are.

Sure they have. And some people don't script. It has been my experience that some players who do script are unable to even imagine how someone could play otherwise. Therefore they think everyone scripts, except for those they decide are somehow strange or weird (the favorite logic of the ignorant). What they don't get is that a lot of people don't ever script. Ever.

[JackWhisper]

Maybe I'm just nuts, but that is exactly the game I play - for 43M exp.

When I read that, the old AOL login popped into my head.

You? Again? Don't you have a LIFE?

I lawled. =)

[Candor]

When I read that, the old AOL login popped into my head.

You? Again? Don't you have a LIFE?

I lawled. =)

To repeat myself:

"It has been my experience that some players who do script are unable to even imagine how someone could play otherwise. Therefore they think everyone scripts, except for those they decide are somehow strange or weird (the favorite logic of the ignorant)."

I rest my case.

[JackWhisper]

To repeat myself:

"It has been my experience that some players who do script are unable to even imagine how someone could play otherwise. Therefore they think everyone scripts, except for those they decide are somehow strange or weird (the favorite logic of the ignorant)."

I rest my case.


I capped my bard when macros were all I had, and Sahra's Bus Company was the only thing I knew of for scripting. No clue. That was around ice age. I was a kid.

I capped a cleric post-ice age when OTF had been released.

I capped a rogue just from boxes from raising up my new bard and the cleric hunting from zero to cap.

I capped my paladin most recently, doing it in under nine months.

Please do shutup. I've done both sides of it. And I don't care who scripts and who doesn't. I was commenting to Roblar because it was funny. Not because I give a flying fuck about how he plays his game.

[Luftstreitkräfte]

the GM seemed reasonable

[Methais]

Mikos is actually a pretty cool GM. If he came across as a dick to you I doubt it was intentional. Sounded more to me like he was just saying that when people complain about shit to them like that, they have to investigate it. I doubt he's gonna go sit at his desk tomorrow and start checking up on you. Years ago he saw me "abusing" some grey area stuff and told me something like another GM might view that as mechanics abuse so be careful. Had it been Brauden or whoever the other nazi GMs were back then, I probably would have gotten at least a warning if not more.


All this makes me remember when TGO got so harassed, he coded his script to pause in each room for like 2 seconds, and if someone was hunting, he ran back to town to sit for 10 minutes, regardless of fry.


That is some bullshit.

OP should use Tgo's script that says random stuff to people when he walks by them.


Sure they have. And some people don't script. It has been my experience that some players who do script are unable to even imagine how someone could play otherwise. Therefore they think everyone scripts, except for those they decide are somehow strange or weird (the favorite logic of the ignorant). What they don't get is that a lot of people don't ever script. Ever.

Nobody has ever ran from one town to another manually except maybe when it first comes out and there won't be a script written for it until the next day.

[Donquix]

Mikos is actually a pretty cool GM. If he came across as a dick to you I doubt it was intentional. Sounded more to me like he was just saying that when people complain about shit to them like that, they have to investigate it. I doubt he's gonna go sit at his desk tomorrow and start checking up on you. Years ago he saw me "abusing" some grey area stuff and told me something like another GM might view that as mechanics abuse so be careful. Had it been Brauden or whoever the other nazi GMs were back then, I probably would have gotten at least a warning if not more.



OP should use Tgo's script that says random stuff to people when he walks by them.



Nobody has ever ran from one town to another manually except maybe when it first comes out and there won't be a script written for it until the next day.

I used to run from WL -> RR manually when they had the boot!

[JackWhisper]

I used to run from WL -> RR manually when they had the boot!

I knew the road to Icemule from Landing TSC by heart.

It was that bad.

[SHAFT]

I used to run from WL -> RR manually when they had the boot!

Oh yeah? Well I hunt with no scripts! I type everything!

[Latrinsorm]

I don't even use shorthand. I type out stance offensive, attack, search, look, giggle, act cradles your nakedness in his arms licking slowly at your neck, while at the same time, his sheathed cock begins to pulse ever so slightly.

Every time.

[Tgo01]

I don't even use shorthand. I type out stance offensive, attack, search, look, giggle, act cradles your nakedness in his arms licking slowly at your neck, while at the same time, his sheathed cock begins to pulse ever so slightly.

Every time.

Oh man, that reminds me of a story from many moons ago.

The names have been changed to protect the innocent...more like because I really don't remember the names.

But someone was outside a latchable room and they copy and pasted what they saw to my friend, who then in turn copy and pasted it to me, and it was something like:

Also here: Lord Ragingcock
l raging
He appears to be a young human, blah blah, features.
He is wearing a leather sheath.

Ragingcock knocks on the door.
You hear a faint clicking sound coming from the other side of the door.
The door opens.
Ragingcock just went through a door.
You hear a faint clicking sound coming from the other side of the door.

So, yeah, pretty obvious. But the real funny part is a couple of hours later on the official forums someone was posting about how he had lost all of his stuff in a latchable room. His story was that his character wanted to take a relaxing bath so he took all of his stuff off and dropped it on the ground, except his weapon of course! Being a true warrior means keeping your weapon in your sheath and your sheath on you at all times! So apparently he was disconnected and when he logged back on all of this stuff was gone.

I think I laughed for 48 hours straight. No, wait! 50 hours straight

[SHAFT]

Stop scripting and you have nothing to worry about?

[Tgo01]

Stop scripting and you have nothing to worry about?

Your avatar has crabs. It's subtle but if you look closely you can see it.

[Androidpk]

That's exactly how I play, and have played, for over 20 years. It took me 17 years to cap a character. Yes...seventeen years. Many players in the history of GS have played typing in EVERY. SINGLE. ACTION into the game, and have enjoyed it.

Clearly you need to be playing something else. Don't let the gate slam your arse on the way out.

Do you type in the full commands or do you abbreviate words?

[subzero]

That's exactly how I play, and have played, for over 20 years. It took me 17 years to cap a character. Yes...seventeen years. Many players in the history of GS have played typing in EVERY. SINGLE. ACTION into the game, and have enjoyed it.

Clearly you need to be playing something else. Don't let the gate slam your arse on the way out.

This isn't some stupid Highlander bullshit. There can be more than one way of doing things.

[Silvean]

This isn't some stupid Highlander bullshit. There can be more than one way of doing things.

Highlander was the greatest television show ever. Do not take its name in vain!

http://www.lazydragon.com/ldmerchmoviereplicas/images/etoi/HIGHLANDER-THE-TV-SERIES-Adrian-Paul.jpg

[Warriorbird]

Highlander was the greatest television show ever. Do not take its name in vain!

http://www.lazydragon.com/ldmerchmoviereplicas/images/etoi/HIGHLANDER-THE-TV-SERIES-Adrian-Paul.jpg

It even won an Emmy Award for being the greatest television show ever.

That and katanas that could be concealed ANYWHERE.

[JackWhisper]

This isn't some stupid Highlander bullshit. There can be more than one way of doing things.

I am not ashamed to say I laughed really fucking hard at this. Because Candor's head exploded going, "WHAT?!"

ROFL.

[Astray]

Seen him at all or is he out of sight and out of mind?

[JackWhisper]

He now sits at a table with his alt crew.

[Astray]

He now sits at a table with his alt crew.

Oh. I wonder if the self circle jerk is still going.

[JackWhisper]

I donno. The guy said he has two wives. I instantly thought Big Love - Elanthia Edition.

I wonder if that'd be allowed?

[Androidpk]

How do you know they're alts?

[Astray]

I don't see why not...

[JackWhisper]

How do you know they're alts?

Hey PK log on, make 3 free accounts, and walk around acting like a badass, and everytime you do, have the three accounts agree with you and act in awe.

Who the FUCK roleplays that willingly unless it's YOU?

[Androidpk]

Hey PK log on, make 3 free accounts, and walk around acting like a badass, and everytime you do, have the three accounts agree with you and act in awe.

Who the FUCK roleplays that willingly unless it's YOU?

I've seen stranger RP.

[Astray]

I've seen stranger RP.

Go on.

[Warriorbird]

He now sits at a table with his alt crew.

I'll admit to hoping my girlfriend would give GS another chance solely for the sake of harassing somebody in the Garret. I always preferred the Trophy Room though.

[Androidpk]

Well there is that story of the chick getting boned by a sorcerer AND his demon.

[Astray]

Well there is that story of the chick getting boned by a sorcerer AND his demon.

Heard enough.

[Androidpk]

Heard enough.

Then there were the secret orgies in the catacombs under the landing.

[Gelston]

Well there is that story of the chick getting boned by a sorcerer AND his demon.

DO YOU SPEAK OF KLAIVE!?

[Androidpk]

DO YOU SPEAK OF KLAIVE!?

I believe it was someone else (that still posts here.)

[Tgo01]

Who is the guy who roleplays that he turns into some sort of wolf or something during sex? Man I forget the details but I remember someone telling me about it once. And I thought I was into some kinky stuff :O

[Warriorbird]

Nothing tops some of the toe scenes.

[Gelston]

I believe it was someone else (that still posts here.)

I used to mess with Klaive's girl so much. She talked about that crap pretty openly. She said the demon fucked him though, and she just watched.

[Tgo01]

I used to mess with Klaive's girl so much. She talked about that crap pretty openly. She said the demon fucked him though, and she just watched.

:/

[Androidpk]

Nothing tops some of the toe scenes.

Andy Botwin?

[Warriorbird]

Andy Botwin?

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?55557-Wisdom-of-the-PC-cybersex-tips

It was an error with his "cybersex macro."

[Astray]

Then there were the secret orgies in the catacombs under the landing.

What the fuck?

[Androidpk]

What the fuck?

There was a group of Satanists. They'd have a giant gangbang atop a pile of rat corpses then literally beat each other to death. If anyone walked through they'd get killed too.

[Astray]

There was a group of Satanists. They'd have a giant gangbang atop a pile of rat corpses then literally beat each other to death. If anyone walked through they'd get killed too.

Holy shit that sounds metal as fuck.

[JackWhisper]

What the fuck?

Even I knew about this. When you went through the hole at the cul-de-sac, there was an oval to the left.

People got down there because NOBODY hunted there.... except people who were utterly new and noob. Anyone who knew their shit hunted the spokes.

What's weird is a lot of them tried to get the noobs to join in. Shit was freaky.

[JackWhisper]

Satanists in Gemstone.... I wonder if they roleplayed by worshipping Marlu. Isn't he the closest thing to Satan we have? I donno. I don't do the dark gods. Kai baby!

[Androidpk]

Marlu is more Cthulhu than Satan.

[Astray]

Sounds very surreal. Like, a great fucking wacked out cult would be awesome in an RP game but the orgy part is creepy.

[JackWhisper]

Sounds very surreal. Like, a great fucking wacked out cult would be awesome in an RP game but the orgy part is creepy.

You know... originally, there weren't latchable rooms in the inns. Not everywhere, by any means.

They put them in every inn and all over the game because people wouldn't stop cybering.

[Astray]

You know... originally, there weren't latchable rooms in the inns. Not everywhere, by any means.

They put them in every inn and all over the game because people wouldn't stop cybering.

Man... take a black light to those rooms and you'll create a super nova.

[Androidpk]

Man... take a black light to those rooms and you'll create a super nova.

:lol:

[JackWhisper]

I am not ashamed to say I totally had my share of cyber experiences in Gemstone as a younger man. And it took me a while to realize there was a GM watching and fapping behind the curtain. Killed it for me, never did it again. Hah.

[Tgo01]

I am not ashamed to say I totally had my share of cyber experiences in Gemstone as a younger man. And it took me a while to realize there was a GM watching and fapping behind the curtain. Killed it for me, never did it again. Hah.

Not only were they watching but they were grading your performance.

[Astray]

I am not ashamed to say I totally had my share of cyber experiences in Gemstone as a younger man. And it took me a while to realize there was a GM watching and fapping behind the curtain. Killed it for me, never did it again. Hah.

He was probably sweating profusely and imagining himself as the girl.

[JackWhisper]

Not only were they watching but they were grading your performance.

I got an RPA for it one time.

A+ BITCH!

[Astray]

I refer you to my previous post!

[ZeP]

I refer you to my previous post!

You didn't realize how much the word "astray" looks like the word "ashtray"

Does he/she backtrack on this and provide an excuse?

[JackWhisper]

What... the fuck... does ashtray have to do with cybering?!

[Astray]

You didn't realize how much the word "astray" looks like the word "ashtray"

Does he/she backtrack on this and provide an excuse?

Nope!


What... the fuck... does ashtray have to do with cybering?!

Man if you want to see some kinky shit, get an ashtray involved.

[ZeP]

Nope!
Man if you want to see some kinky shit, get an ashtray involved.

"Please lengthen your message to at least 1 characters"

[Tgo01]

What... the fuck... does ashtray have to do with cybering?!

http://images.shopmadeinchina.com/seller/product/706/5091706.jpg

[JackWhisper]

Claymation porn. Shit just got real.

[Astray]

This topic has gotten filthy real fast.

[Androidpk]

Looks like she's got a banana in the tailpipe.

[JackWhisper]

Looks like she's got a banana in the tailpipe.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HktV2yGtLv8

[Tgo01]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HktV2yGtLv8

Great, now I gotta watch that movie again.

[JackWhisper]

Ha!

[Jeril]

I love how off track this thread got.

[Gelston]

I love how off track this thread got.

Would you say it...

https://btglifestyle.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/caine.jpg?w=562

Went off script?

[JackWhisper]

Would you say it...

https://btglifestyle.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/caine.jpg?w=562

Went off script?

That's not a GIF. FAIL. Fix it. NAOW!

[Candor]

Someone sent me this rep:

"what about us folks to script (not afk but not always fully entranced either) and never sell coins or items. wtf about us."

The point is well-taken. I have no issues with anyone who scripts but who isn't AFK, providing that if your character does something wrong you address the matter. As far as I can tell, most (and likely all) the problems I have had with scripting characters have been with characters that were not being monitored.

I personally would not play the game this way, but that is a personal choice.

[Drexen]

I came back after 4 years and started a little sorc, got to level 11 in 10 days or so and mastered COL, chatted with people, upgraded items, tried different critters and had fun playing. And then I got a script warning while I was getting my kids ready for school. I know it's "policy" and I doubt anyone will give a shit, but attacking a paying customer because he may possibly hurt the sensibilities of another paying customer by not responding fast enough and for playing a game that practically requires scripting is just really twisted thinking. Deleted the sorc that had the warning, selling my other characters and silvers and done with GS for good this time. I'm not sure what gain the population or staff got from this, but good luck ;P

[Drexen]

Latest Reputation Received (-26038 point(s) total)

Those sensibilities are strong!

[Enuch]

They usually give you plenty of time 10-15 minutes to respond to their inquiries so if you knew you would be AFK that long you need to pause your script. I'm kind of a dick in that for my new characters I will roll them hard on F2P until their first warning or get to ten and then no longer script them *Dick move I know*. The first one out isn't terribly painful, you read the policy and acknowledge that blind scripting does offer a leg up as well as hinders others in the process. If your script catches and you enter and leave a room continuously until someone kills you or you get pulled that's annoying to others *think of someone that keeps saying 'hey' loudly to you without ever stopping or an alarm clock going off that you can't snooze*. If you are kill stealing AFK also annoying. It's your prerogative how you handle the process. The staff is also very good at not ruining your day on a first offense and heck in most cases even a second offense. They understand shit happens but you also need to understand its within their rights to make sure you abide by their rules.

Not a sermon, just a thought.

[Donquix]

I like that you put "policy" in quotations.

It's not "policy", it's policy. You knew it you, you ignored it, you fucked up and for some reason blame simu i guess? I dunno, maybe don't afk script? Just a thought, or do (lord knows i have) and take your lumps like an adult. If this is occurence number 9,993,128,292 of "no no, i didn't mean to i just went afk and forgot it was running", run ;watchdog.

Or option 2, take your ball and go home.

[Tisket]

You can quit in a snit or you can create a Shattered character and AFK script all you want.

[Tisket]

I came back after 4 years and started a little sorc, got to level 11 in 10 days or so and mastered COL, chatted with people, upgraded items, tried different critters and had fun playing. And then I got a script warning while I was getting my kids ready for school. I know it's "policy" and I doubt anyone will give a shit, but attacking a paying customer because he may possibly hurt the sensibilities of another paying customer by not responding fast enough and for playing a game that practically requires scripting is just really twisted thinking. Deleted the sorc that had the warning, selling my other characters and silvers and done with GS for good this time. I'm not sure what gain the population or staff got from this, but good luck ;P

Most players who have managed to play for decades without a warning are going to be less than sympathetic to your plight.

[Whirlin]

If you knew you were going AFK to get your kids ready for school, that's usually a good time to kill bigshot, and rest for a little bit. It's not like your kids had an emergency where they NEEDED to immediately, and unforeseeably get ready for school.

Usually GMs will only respond if you got reported. So in whatever hunting ground you decided to bigshot/script, you were disturbing someone else, acting in such an obvious, forseeable pattern, not responding to inquiries, etc, to the point where a GM needed to step in, and then you proceeded to ignore that GM too.

Especially considering that if you want to play a purely AFK form of the game, they offer Shattered for just that reason. And I'm guessing that you would hope that the GMs would step in someone was AFKing scripting and messing with your experience... You can't have it both ways.

As far as the general population, since Wyrom started his reign and F2P was introduced, we've seen an overall general increase in numbers of people that are online during peak/off times. Additionally, by you selling the characters, you're not actually reducing the overall footprint, you're just transferring.

[Drexen]

Not looking for sympathy or blaming simu, just curious as to the point of it all when any "damage" done by semi casual scripting was done long ago. How many enchanting/ensorcerell/rescue/spell up bots are there now in a game with an online population of 300? Eventually the players, even if only half active, will be more important than the level of the character they are playing. I'm already well invested into option 2, so not really much to say about that.

[Methais]

Not looking for sympathy or blaming simu, just curious as to the point of it all when any "damage" done by semi casual scripting was done long ago. How many enchanting/ensorcerell/rescue/spell up bots are there now in a game with an online population of 300? Eventually the players, even if only half active, will be more important than the level of the character they are playing. I'm already well invested into option 2, so not really much to say about that.

One person afk scripting isn't going to have a noticeable impact.

Allow afk scripting though and nearly everyone would be doing it.

To see the effects of that, look at Shattered.

[Maerit]

Not looking for sympathy or blaming simu, just curious as to the point of it all when any "damage" done by semi casual scripting was done long ago. How many enchanting/ensorcerell/rescue/spell up bots are there now in a game with an online population of 300? Eventually the players, even if only half active, will be more important than the level of the character they are playing. I'm already well invested into option 2, so not really much to say about that.

As a player, I could care less about the immersion interruptions, or the behavior I can just squelch to avoid screen spam. I can even tolerate having kills / loot stolen. That is super easy to live with.

What I would hate is the immense damage to the economy that "allowing" scripting would create. The economy would plummet to making silvers next to worthless. People would just AFK script a dozen bots, gathering millions of silvers a week, and everything would become more expensive. Before long, you would not be able to survive in this game without having a bot army.

Everyone should value the script checking. They give you plenty of warning / notice, and you don't get any significant penalties for the occasional infraction. This is Simu protecting the players, not punishing them.

[Beniah]

Everyone should value the script checking. They give you plenty of warning / notice, and you don't get any significant penalties for the occasional infraction. This is Simu protecting the players, not punishing them.

agreed

[Drexen]

As a player, I could care less about the immersion interruptions, or the behavior I can just squelch to avoid screen spam. I can even tolerate having kills / loot stolen. That is super easy to live with.

What I would hate is the immense damage to the economy that "allowing" scripting would create. The economy would plummet to making silvers next to worthless. People would just AFK script a dozen bots, gathering millions of silvers a week, and everything would become more expensive. Before long, you would not be able to survive in this game without having a bot army.

Everyone should value the script checking. They give you plenty of warning / notice, and you don't get any significant penalties for the occasional infraction. This is Simu protecting the players, not punishing them.

Is that not how it is now? I've talked to many that bot 4+ characters and it's common to have at least 2. I never advocated for allowing unrestricted boting, especially from bot armies, but why target a level sorc that showed clear activity 20 minutes beforehand instead of the actual bot armies or the paypal industry that runs the game? Do you think that there are not script armies running afk right now using watchdog or another catch script to bypass and alert the afk player of changes? Is he less evil for the game somehow? To answer earlier comments, no my script did not hang and I was in the sanctuary in RR, probbaly the quietest corner of the game. There were 2 other players there that were unresponsive for who knows how long (at least several hours). If I was reported by them it was for being in their "spot" and nothing else.

[Gelston]

Is that not how it is now? I've talked to many that bot 4+ characters and it's common to have at least 2. I never advocated for allowing unrestricted boting, especially from bot armies, but why target a level sorc that showed clear activity 20 minutes beforehand instead of the actual bot armies or the paypal industry that runs the game? Do you think that there are not script armies running afk right now using watchdog or another catch script to bypass and alert the afk player of changes? Is he less evil for the game somehow? To answer earlier comments, no my script did not hang and I was in the sanctuary in RR, probbaly the quietest corner of the game. There were 2 other players there that were unresponsive for who knows how long (at least several hours). If I was reported by them it was for being in their "spot" and nothing else.

Because those "bot armies" aren't actually AFK. They check them too. They may not be talking to you, but they don't have to. In that same train of thought, though, you think that is bad? If OOC scripting WAS allowed, multiple that by 100. and you don't have to be reported for a GM to check on you. Heck, perhaps the GM was going to RP with you a little bit and you were unresponsive.

[Tgo01]

Is that not how it is now? I've talked to many that bot 4+ characters and it's common to have at least 2. I never advocated for allowing unrestricted boting, especially from bot armies, but why target a level sorc that showed clear activity 20 minutes beforehand instead of the actual bot armies or the paypal industry that runs the game?

As someone who plays 11 accounts I can say the GMs do target me from time to time.

[Enuch]

As someone who plays 11 accounts I can say the GMs do target me from time to time.

Didn't you create gemstone? #dreavening

[Tgo01]

Didn't you create gemstone? #dreavening

Damn right!

[Zaigh]

Is that not how it is now? I've talked to many that bot 4+ characters and it's common to have at least 2. I never advocated for allowing unrestricted boting, especially from bot armies, but why target a level sorc that showed clear activity 20 minutes beforehand instead of the actual bot armies or the paypal industry that runs the game? Do you think that there are not script armies running afk right now using watchdog or another catch script to bypass and alert the afk player of changes? Is he less evil for the game somehow? To answer earlier comments, no my script did not hang and I was in the sanctuary in RR, probbaly the quietest corner of the game. There were 2 other players there that were unresponsive for who knows how long (at least several hours). If I was reported by them it was for being in their "spot" and nothing else.

You were in a quiet room and got checked while getting your kids ready for school? Something about this is sounding rather fishy. I'm guessing you were script fletching or something, which I can agree is a large time sink to get skilled up. But there are rules in place for this game we play, and you violated one of those. I'm extremely baffled by people who think the rules shouldn't apply to them for this or that reason.

[Drexen]

You were in a quiet room and got checked while getting your kids ready for school? Something about this is sounding rather fishy. I'm guessing you were script fletching or something, which I can agree is a large time sink to get skilled up. But there are rules in place for this game we play, and you violated one of those. I'm extremely baffled by people who think the rules shouldn't apply to them for this or that reason.

There were 2 other players there but they were unresponsive for a long time before I went afk for a bit. I explore a lot and frequent places like RR and Solhaven and Teras, I would say at least 50% of the people I meet are completely unresponsive, but it didn't hurt my feelings, I just moved on and assumed that was normal. Go to the sanctuary in RR, plaza in Solhaven, any table or fog beetles in Teras if you don't believe me. I was hunting crocodiles and resting in the room. I realize there are rules, but there are also different levels of enforcement. I was not grinding out level 35 in 30 days or afk for 20 hours so it was a bit of a surprise. I'm hardly what you would call an evil no-gooder that should be attacked by staff even if I skirt rules a bit. I'm not really upset about anything, but there is no reason to play here if I don't enjoy it, and I was playing in the fashion that I enjoy without hurting anyone. I'm happy it happened when he was only 11 to be honest.

[Stry]

As someone who plays 11 accounts I can say the GMs do target me from time to time.

They're just keeping you honest, right?

But yeah, I can see why they'd tend poke at you more than some. It's gotta look suspicious when you're a script writing god and 98% of anything you type into game is automated. :D

[KNIFEWORK]

I'm happy it happened when he was only 11 to be honest.


Wait you are freaking out because of a warning? They just say don't afk script anymore and make you read the policy.

[Taernath]

I realize there are rules, but there are also different levels of enforcement.

You got only a warning, correct? No ban, no reset of craftings ranks? I'm not sure what you want here.

[Gelston]

You got only a warning, correct? No ban, no reset of craftings ranks? I'm not sure what you want here.

He is just upset he got caught and is probably aware that he'll be looked at a little more in the future.

[Tgo01]

It's gotta look suspicious when you're a script writing god and 98% of anything you type into game is automated. :D

Don't be silly. It's only 97.8%.

[Drexen]

I don't want anything, I definitely do not give a shit about sympathy and don't care about "I played for 17 years to get level 80 with no warnings, your doing it wrong" comments, because I play the way I enjoy and you can play the way you enjoy. I'm in a thread that says it is a discussion about policy complaints. That policy being enforced stringently makes me unable to play here even though I am not a hardcore scripter. I enjoy the management aspect and scripting, especially making my own. I also enjoy sitting around chatting and helping each other and doing rescues. I just don't give a shit enough to make sure I hit pause every time I take the trash out. It's only a warning, but it's a warning that I don't belong here, which is why I've already cashed out. Also, shattered is the complete other end of the spectrum while I'm more in the middle, I have no interest in full on zombie mode.

My discussion basically entails why push away the middle ground active players while there are clear and obvious heavy mechanical abusers in every town that have much more of an impact. Running watchdog while cooking still makes you an AFK scripter, you just won't get any warnings. Why is there no effort to come up with an engineered solution to the problem that does not involve policing your paying customers? Why lower the population of RR by 20% for something that had no real impact on anyone? For justice!

[Gelston]

You broke policy. You go caught. Learn from it and don't do it again... Or quit as you said you are.

[Taernath]

My discussion basically entails why push away the middle ground active players while there are clear and obvious heavy mechanical abusers in every town that have much more of an impact.

How do you know that they're 'heavily abusing mechanics'? How do you know that they're running watchdog? How do you know that they're never checked?

[Stry]

I don't want anything, I definitely do not give a shit about sympathy and don't care about "I played for 17 years to get level 80 with no warnings, your doing it wrong" comments, because I play the way I enjoy and you can play the way you enjoy. I'm in a thread that says it is a discussion about policy complaints. That policy being enforced stringently makes me unable to play here even though I am not a hardcore scripter. I enjoy the management aspect and scripting, especially making my own. I also enjoy sitting around chatting and helping each other and doing rescues. I just don't give a shit enough to make sure I hit pause every time I take the trash out. It's only a warning, but it's a warning that I don't belong here, which is why I've already cashed out. Also, shattered is the complete other end of the spectrum while I'm more in the middle, I have no interest in full on zombie mode.

My discussion basically entails why push away the middle ground active players while there are clear and obvious heavy mechanical abusers in every town that have much more of an impact. Running watchdog while cooking still makes you an AFK scripter, you just won't get any warnings. Why is there no effort to come up with an engineered solution to the problem that does not involve policing your paying customers? Why lower the population of RR by 20% for something that had no real impact on anyone? For justice!

You claim you don't want anything, yet you posted in a "Staff and Policy Complaint" section of a forum about how you're leaving the game because of it. Don't be surprised that nobody is agreeing with you. If you'd posted something about staff being unjust that would be one thing. Posting that you got caught afk scripting and it sucks, you're going to find yourself pretty much on your own.

... and now you're back-pedaling because you're getting called out.


That said...

I believe they may be far more strict on F2P accounts found AFK scripting. Wasn't there a policy update posted on that a year or two ago?

[Gelston]

They used to close F2Ps on first violation I think.

[Taernath]

They used to close F2Ps on first violation I think.

They word it really strangely. 1st time violation, 1st offense, 2nd offense <--- F2P is banned here. So, third maybe?

[Drexen]

No it was not a F2P account. How do you figure I am backpedaling? My stance and the details involved have not changed at all. This discussion is far more involving than any conversation I had in game! There are a few people that agree with me and I have gotten messages, it's just no one who actively plays wants to stick their neck out in a discussion where 90% of the comments are attacks instead of discussion. I never pleaded innocence or backpedaled and I was very clear of my guilt in my first post: "I got a script warning while I was getting my kids ready for school."

[Parkbandit]

As someone who plays 11 accounts I can say the GMs do target me from time to time.

You have 11x more of a chance to get targeted than someone who only plays 1 account.

Math.

[Taernath]

There are a few people that agree with me and I have gotten messages, it's just no one who actively plays wants to stick their neck out in a discussion where 90% of the comments are attacks instead of discussion.

Nobody's attacking you, you're being (rightfully) criticized. Maybe one of those anonymous supporters will swoop to your defense soon and post a thorough rebuttal of all the points others have been making.

[Gelston]

I love the "There are people who agree with me! I have gotten messages!" Why do people always say that?

[Ososis]

I love the "There are people who agree with me! I have gotten messages!" Why do people always say that?

Fuck man, trump won on that strategy!

OP, remove the personal details and your story goes
"I was afk scripting and received a warning for afk scripting" not sure what you expect.

[Wrathbringer]

Fuck man, trump won on that strategy!

lol he did

[Donquix]

There's been discussion, you just don't like being called out for being whiney.

Should they change the policy? maybe, maybe not. I tend to think simu, nowadays, handles it as best they can. I think some players need to chill the fuck out, some people see someone wander through their area that doesn't drop everything to talk to them and flip out.

You're being made fun of because you're acting like a child because you got caught with your hand in the cookie jar. The policy is what it is, thinking it should be something else doesn't make it so. If you get caught scripting this should be the proper response:

http://i.imgur.com/D6UYqqY.gif

[Viekn]

Why is there no effort to come up with an engineered solution to the problem that does not involve policing your paying customers?

If I go buy a hamburger at Mcdonalds, does that mean I can fuck the hot cashier right there on the McD's floor? If I paid to go see one movie, should I be able to sneak in to see 3 others? What you PAID for, was access to a game that does not allow afk scripting. Stop saying "paying customer" like it grants you some kind of special privileges.

[Stumplicker]

I don't want anything, I definitely do not give a shit about sympathy and don't care about "I played for 17 years to get level 80 with no warnings, your doing it wrong" comments, because I play the way I enjoy and you can play the way you enjoy. I'm in a thread that says it is a discussion about policy complaints. That policy being enforced stringently makes me unable to play here even though I am not a hardcore scripter. I enjoy the management aspect and scripting, especially making my own. I also enjoy sitting around chatting and helping each other and doing rescues. I just don't give a shit enough to make sure I hit pause every time I take the trash out. It's only a warning, but it's a warning that I don't belong here, which is why I've already cashed out. Also, shattered is the complete other end of the spectrum while I'm more in the middle, I have no interest in full on zombie mode.

My discussion basically entails why push away the middle ground active players while there are clear and obvious heavy mechanical abusers in every town that have much more of an impact. Running watchdog while cooking still makes you an AFK scripter, you just won't get any warnings. Why is there no effort to come up with an engineered solution to the problem that does not involve policing your paying customers? Why lower the population of RR by 20% for something that had no real impact on anyone? For justice!

Bye. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

It's not that you broke a policy. It's that you broke a policy, were given no punishment, and disagree with it in a way that's largely agreed with here, on the officials, and in general. And there's even an option given to you by the company for people like you, who flat out disagree with the policy. It's called Gemstone: Shattered, and from your description, it's exactly what you want. The ability to script and not worried about being checked. You would probably be happier there.

But I have a sneaking feeling based on how you've been arguing so far here that you're Zelean, and if that's the case, there's no helping you. So don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

[Tisket]

Maybe one of those anonymous supporters will swoop to your defense.

He needs a power vagina.

[Drexen]

You're being made fun of because you're acting like a child because you got caught with your hand in the cookie jar.

I was actually just killing time until my last character sold, but that's cool. I never attacked anyone, Simu or the policy really, I openly admitted my guilt and that this made it clear that I am playing the wrong game. You guys are the ones that are super fucking zealous about the topic lol.

[Drexen]

Bye. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

It's not that you broke a policy. It's that you broke a policy, were given no punishment, and disagree with it in a way that's largely agreed with here, on the officials, and in general. And there's even an option given to you by the company for people like you, who flat out disagree with the policy. It's called Gemstone: Shattered, and from your description, it's exactly what you want. The ability to script and not worried about being checked. You would probably be happier there.

But I have a sneaking feeling based on how you've been arguing so far here that you're Zelean, and if that's the case, there's no helping you. So don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

Did you even read anything I wrote? This is the problem with America today, all offense and no comprehension! I even specifically brought up shattered that everyone is so inspiring advertising. I would say I'm not Zelean, but no one would believe me anyway. I'm apparently much less famous then they are though, as I haven't played in 4 years until a few weeks ago. He sounds like a man of heightened logic and reason though.

[Drexen]

He needs a power vagina.

Are you offering? No thanks. On that note, all my chars are sold, peace out farmbots!

[Donquix]

Yeah...that's not what you said. You weren't selling anything until you got caught cheating now you're throwing a hissy and trying to back your story out so you seem less irrationally mad. :D

Have fun with like...progressquest i guess?