St. Louis shootings reignite anger among activists

[RichardCranium]

ST. LOUIS —*Two months after a Ferguson officer killed Michael Brown, setting off intense national debate about law enforcement treatment of minorities, the shooting death of another black 18-year-old by police in nearby St. Louis has reignited anger among activists already planning weekend protests.

Police say Vonderrit D. Myers was shot Wednesday after he opened fire on a white, off-duty officer, but Myers' parents say he was unarmed. Some activists and lawmakers say Myers was targeted because he was black and are asking the Justice Department — which has opened a civil rights investigation into the death of Brown, who was unarmed — to investigate his shooting.

"This here was racial profiling turned deadly," said state Sen. Jamilah Nasheed, a St. Louis Democrat.

The shooting happened as activists and other protesters from around the country prepared for four days of rallies, marches and protests over the Brown shooting. Organizers say the events, which start Friday and include a march Saturday in downtown St. Louis, have taken on added urgency.

"This is a racial powder keg," said Jerryl Christmas, a St. Louis attorney who was among more than 20 black leaders who joined Nasheed at a news conference Thursday outside police headquarters. "All this is going to do is escalate the situation."

Brown's Aug. 9 death spurred weeks of unrest in Ferguson and the rest of the St. Louis area. A state grand jury is deciding whether the officer who shot him, Darren Wilson, will face charges.

Police say Myers was both armed and aggressive, using a stolen 9 mm gun to shoot at the officer.

Syreeta Myers said her son was holding a sandwich, not a gun. "Police lie. They lied about Michael Brown, too," she told The Associated Press by phone Thursday.

About 200 people gathered Thursday night for a quiet candlelight remembrance at the sight where Vonderrit Myers was shot. Later, protesters shut down a major street.

St. Louis Police Chief Sam Dotson said the officer spotted Myers and two other males around 7:30 p.m. Wednesday while working a security job and patrolling a neighborhood near the Missouri Botanical Gardens. Dotson said the officer, who was off-duty but wearing his uniform, became suspicious when one of them started to run.

He heard one of them say, "No, that's just a security officer," Dotson said.

When the officer made a U-turn, all three ran and the officer chased them — first in his car and then on foot, Dotson said.

During the chase, he got into a physical altercation with Myers, who ran up a hill, turned and fired at the officer, the chief said. The officer, who wasn't hurt, shot back.

Ballistic evidence shows Myers fired three shots before his gun jammed, Dotson said. Police said they recovered the 9 mm gun, which had been reported stolen on Sept. 26.

The officer fired off 17 rounds. Preliminary autopsy results show a shot to the head killed Myers, according to medical examiner Dr. Michael Graham.

The St. Louis Post-Dispatch reported that Graham said Myers was shot six or seven times in the lower extremities and the fatal shot entered his right cheek.

The 32-year-old officer, a six-year veteran of the department whose name was not released, is on paid administrative leave pending an investigation.

The Ferguson case was on protesters' minds as they gathered after Wednesday's shooting. Some shouted "Hands up, don't shoot," a common refrain during weeks of sometimes violent protests after Brown's death. Dotson said some in the St. Louis crowd shouted obscenities at officers and damaged three police cars, smashing windows and tail lights.

Police said one man was cited for being a felon in possession of a handgun after an officer spotted him putting on a ski mask inside a car, prompting a search.

Online court documents show Myers was free on bond when he was killed. He had been charged with unlawful use of a weapon, a felony, and misdemeanor resisting arrest in June.

Myers' was the third fatal shooting of a black male by St. Louis-area police since Brown's death.

"It's imperative that we began to heal this community," Nasheed said. "This community has been broken down. We have too many deaths at the hands of police officers."

Nation of Islam member A. Akbar Muhammad of St. Louis said, "You have to ask the question: Is there a culture of racism in the police department?"

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/police-officer-fatally-shoots-man-st-louis-26062869

[Tgo01]

Well as long as the mother insists her son was holding a sandwich, who are we to disagree?

[Kembal]

Yeah, I'm going to say this one isn't close to the Michael Brown shooting.

I do want to know if 17 shots is excessive (presumably the teen stopped firing if the gun jammed). I have no idea to make that determination on my own.

[Taernath]

Yeah, I'm going to say this one isn't close to the Michael Brown shooting.

I do want to know if 17 shots is excessive (presumably the teen stopped firing if the gun jammed). I have no idea to make that determination on my own.

Not really, in situations like this police officers tend to empty their magazines. You're not really aiming and taking careful shots. I think his 7-8 hits is above the average though.

[JackWhisper]

Center mass.

[Astray]

"My son was holding a 9mm, fully loaded, bacon and lettuce sandwich!"

[Candor]

"Ballistic evidence shows Myers fired three shots before his gun jammed, Dotson said. Police said they recovered the 9 mm gun, which had been reported stolen on Sept. 26."

Unless this statement is an outright lie (and Myers was actually...uh...holding a sandwich), there just isn't anything to discuss here.

[Tgo01]

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eat a big black dick you melanin lacking small penis packin piece of shit


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[Gelston]

"Ballistic evidence shows Myers fired three shots before his gun jammed, Dotson said. Police said they recovered the 9 mm gun, which had been reported stolen on Sept. 26."

Unless this statement is an outright lie (and Myers was actually...uh...holding a sandwich), there just isn't anything to discuss here.

BUT!!!! The mother said he was unarmed!!!!!!!!!

[Taernath]

The gun must have been planted. There's no other explanation.

[Wrathbringer]

By and large, only criminals get shot. It's not the officer's fault when one of those is black. These protests are pointless reverse racism run amok. What do they hope to accomplish? Cops have guns. They use them. That's not going to change. Crying racism every time it happens only serves to help racism endure.

[Tgo01]

I do want to know if 17 shots is excessive (presumably the teen stopped firing if the gun jammed).

I don't understand what people mean when they wonder if a cop fired too many times.

The cop is (apparently) being shot at, he is now trying to protect his life. Why would it matter if he fired 1 time or 100 times? Why do people think there is a magic number of times a cop is supposed to return fire? It's not like the cop is only supposed to return one shot for every shot fired in his direction. "Damn! Missed him that time, now I have to wait for him to shoot at me again."

The cop would have no idea if the guy's gun jammed, nor if the guy had another gun, nor if his buddies had guns.

[Gelston]

This is also another example of poor police training. Sure, he was justified, but he spazzed on his gun like a little girl. Come on Missouri!

[Atlanteax]

By and large, only criminals get shot. It's not the officer's fault when one of those is black. These protests are pointless reverse racism run amok. What do they hope to accomplish? Cops have guns. They use them. That's not going to change. Crying racism every time it happens only serves to help racism endure.

Well, we can expect Obama to send high-ranking White House officials to attend the funeral of the would-be cop-murderer.

[Ker_Thwap]

I don't understand what people mean when they wonder if a cop fired too many times.

The cop is (apparently) being shot at, he is now trying to protect his life. Why would it matter if he fired 1 time or 100 times? Why do people think there is a magic number of times a cop is supposed to return fire? It's not like the cop is only supposed to return one shot for every shot fired in his direction. "Damn! Missed him that time, now I have to wait for him to shoot at me again."


The cop would have no idea if the guy's gun jammed, nor if the guy had another gun, nor if his buddies had guns.

His sandwich jammed you mean. I'm guessing it was PB & J, based on this article. But yeah, I'd think the number of shots would depend on how good of a shot you were. I know in all the action movies/novels the hero goes around double tapping bad guys super efficiently, but I have a sneaking suspicion those might be fiction.

[Stabbyrogue]

I was working off of S. Grand this morning. The local citizens decided to start throwing rocks at my crew\truck, and we bugged out. Boss says we're going to try at the job site again tomorrow. We'll see.

[Taernath]

I was working off of S. Grand this morning. The local citizens decided to start throwing rocks at my crew\truck, and we bugged out. Boss says we're going to try at the job site again tomorrow. We'll see.

Damn, stay safe. I guess some are just looking for a fight now.

[Gelston]

I was working off of S. Grand this morning. The local citizens decided to start throwing rocks at my crew\truck, and we bugged out. Boss says we're going to try at the job site again tomorrow. We'll see.

Hire Academi to guard you.

[Jeril]

This is also another example of poor police training. Sure, he was justified, but he spazzed on his gun like a little girl. Come on Missouri!

I highly doubt that police training will improve anytime soon though, sadly.

[Astray]

shut your pale bitch ass up you fucking fascist, kill yourself
Someone must be off their meds.

[Jeril]

Those rep sound like Luntz, but he usually posts too when he leaves rep I think.

[Gelston]

I'm surprised Luntz and Tenlaar haven't come in here to whine about something yet.

[Astray]

Might be a new guy or someone having a seriously bad case of split personality.

[Wrathbringer]

Might be a new guy or someone having a seriously bad case of split personality.

Nah, it's luntz. He's one angry negro.

[Tenlaar]

I'm surprised Luntz and Tenlaar haven't come in here to whine about something yet.

Just what do you think I would "whine" about in this situation? Don't start making comments about me all over because you get drunk and show your ass.

[Gelston]

Just what do you think I would "whine" about in this situation? Don't start making comments about me all over because you get drunk and show your ass.

You are sober and show your ass.

[Kembal]

I don't understand what people mean when they wonder if a cop fired too many times.

The cop is (apparently) being shot at, he is now trying to protect his life. Why would it matter if he fired 1 time or 100 times? Why do people think there is a magic number of times a cop is supposed to return fire? It's not like the cop is only supposed to return one shot for every shot fired in his direction. "Damn! Missed him that time, now I have to wait for him to shoot at me again."

The cop would have no idea if the guy's gun jammed, nor if the guy had another gun, nor if his buddies had guns.

I think Gelston summed up what I was thinking. He hit the guy 7 or 8 times. I just wasn't sure if it was normal police training to fire that many shots, especially if at some point there was no return fire coming back. (presumably if the dead guy had another gun, or if his buddies had guns, they would've been firing back at the police officer)

[Tenlaar]

You are sober and show your ass.

So you have nothing and just felt like mentioning me. Got it.

[Gelston]

So you have nothing and just felt like mentioning me. Got it.

And you got your panties in a wad and responded.

[Tgo01]

I think Gelston summed up what I was thinking. He hit the guy 7 or 8 times. I just wasn't sure if it was normal police training to fire that many shots, especially if at some point there was no return fire coming back. (presumably if the dead guy had another gun, or if his buddies had guns, they would've been firing back at the police officer)

I wasn't there but I'm pretty sure this shoot out lasted probably 20 or 30 seconds. I don't think police are trained to wait to see if the guy is still returning fire, they are probably trained to neutralize the threat.

[Tgo01]

Can't we get some chicks in here to show their ass? :(

[Gelston]

I wasn't there but I'm pretty sure this shoot out lasted probably 20 or 30 seconds. I don't think police are trained to wait to see if the guy is still returning fire, they are probably trained to neutralize the threat.

They are trained to not empty their entire mag into one target. What if there was another shooter?

[Tgo01]

They are trained to not empty their entire mag into one target. What if there was another shooter?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxzrahUUTi8

Going by your point though it's more of a safety issue for the cop to not unload on one target. When people say a cop shot an excessive number of times they seem to think the cop was just being a dick.

[Gelston]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxzrahUUTi8

Going by your point though it's more of a safety issue for the cop to not unload on one target. When people say a cop shot an excessive number of times they seem to think the cop was just being a dick.

I don't think he was being a dick. I think he was freaking the fuck out. He is being a dick if he fired the entire mag, reloaded, and continued to confirm the kill.

[waywardgs]

Here's the thing. This was probably a good shooting. But when you have a bunch of bad shootings, public perception will tend to stop giving you the benefit of the doubt. This is why it's so important to have a transparent, appropriately trained police force that doesn't shoot unarmed people until they're dead.

[Gelston]

Here's the thing. This was probably a good shooting. But when you have a bunch of bad shootings, public perception will tend to stop giving you the benefit of the doubt. This is why it's so important to have a transparent, appropriately trained police force that doesn't shoot unarmed people until they're dead.

Replace the guns with lollis!

[waywardgs]

Replace the guns with lollis!

Replace the cops with people who know what the fuck they're doing.

[Tgo01]

This is why it's so important to have a transparent, appropriately trained police force that doesn't shoot unarmed people until they're dead.

I don't understand this argument either. Why do people think just the act of being unarmed means a police officer can't use deadly force?

[Gelston]

Replace the cops with people who know what the fuck they're doing.

That is the thing though, this cop could have been a model police officer... But you don't know how someone is going to react under fire, or any stressful situation, until it happens. You can't test that in training... You can attempt it, but it will only ever be so much.

[waywardgs]

That is the thing though, this cop could have been a model police officer... But you don't know how someone is going to react under fire, or any stressful situation, until it happens. You can't test that in training... You can attempt it, but it will only ever be so much.

Like I said, my first impression in this particular case is that it was probably a good shooting. But we're in the midst of a wave of bad ones, and bad police behavior in general, which may or may not be new but it's certainly being recorded and getting into the hands of the public more, which means they need to clean up their act or every shooting will be stained. Bad shootings are not just bad for the victims, or for the cop involved, it's bad for the public image of police in general. You don't want a populace that hates cops and think they're all a bunch of killers and thugs.

[Gelston]

Like I said, my first impression in this particular case is that it was probably a good shooting. But we're in the midst of a wave of bad ones, and bad police behavior in general, which may or may not be new but it's certainly being recorded and getting into the hands of the public more, which means they need to clean up their act or every shooting will be stained. Bad shootings are not just bad for the victims, or for the cop involved, it's bad for the public image of police in general. You don't want a populace that hates cops and think they're all a bunch of killers and thugs.

We need Robocops.

[Androidpk]

Like I said, my first impression in this particular case is that it was probably a good shooting. But we're in the midst of a wave of bad ones, and bad police behavior in general, which may or may not be new but it's certainly being recorded and getting into the hands of the public more, which means they need to clean up their act or every shooting will be stained. Bad shootings are not just bad for the victims, or for the cop involved, it's bad for the public image of police in general. You don't want a populace that hates cops and think they're all a bunch of killers and thugs.

What should this cop have done differently?

[Astray]

What should this cop have done differently?

Wore his Klan robes!!11one

[Tenlaar]

And you got your panties in a wad and responded.

Why wouldn't I respond when you specifically call me out like I would have a problem with a cop shooting somebody actively trying to kill him?

[Astray]

Also, did anyone else notice in the picture on that site that one of the cops is holding the shield upside down?

[Androidpk]

Why wouldn't I respond when you specifically call me out like I would have a problem with a cop shooting somebody actively trying to kill him?

Because your avatar is still broken :(

[Tgo01]

There are almost 1 million police officers in the US.

Police shoot and kill about 400 people every year.

150 police officers are killed every year in the line of duty.

I think the vast majority of cops are good people but the same people who throw a tantrum when someone likens all Muslims to terrorists will insist all police officers are bad based on one or two stories.

[Gelston]

Why wouldn't I respond when you specifically call me out like I would have a problem with a cop shooting somebody actively trying to kill him?

I only did it to see if you would respond. And you did. I win.

[Astray]

http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/AP_STLOUIS3_141010_DG_16x9_992.jpg

[Gelston]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/02/Reno_cast_v8.jpg

[waywardgs]

What should this cop have done differently?


Like I said, my first impression in this particular case is that it was probably a good shooting. But we're in the midst of a wave of bad ones, and bad police behavior in general, which may or may not be new but it's certainly being recorded and getting into the hands of the public more, which means they need to clean up their act or every shooting will be stained. Bad shootings are not just bad for the victims, or for the cop involved, it's bad for the public image of police in general. You don't want a populace that hates cops and think they're all a bunch of killers and thugs.

.

[waywardgs]

There are almost 1 million police officers in the US.

Police shoot and kill about 400 people every year.

150 police officers are killed every year in the line of duty.

I think the vast majority of cops are good people but the same people who throw a tantrum when someone likens all Muslims to terrorists will insist all police officers are bad based on one or two stories.

It's not just the shootings. It's stop and frisk, it's civil property seizures, it's beatings, it's harassment, it's etc etc. The police in general have a major image problem right now.

[Gelston]

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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ab/Beckenuebersicht_mit_Tampon.jpg/976px-Beckenuebersicht_mit_Tampon.jpg

[Latrinsorm]

I don't understand this argument either. Why do people think just the act of being unarmed means a police officer can't use deadly force?Police force should always be proportionate.
Like I said, my first impression in this particular case is that it was probably a good shooting. But we're in the midst of a wave of bad ones, and bad police behavior in general, which may or may not be new but it's certainly being recorded and getting into the hands of the public more, which means they need to clean up their act or every shooting will be stained. Bad shootings are not just bad for the victims, or for the cop involved, it's bad for the public image of police in general. You don't want a populace that hates cops and think they're all a bunch of killers and thugs.Universal surveillance.

[waywardgs]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ab/Beckenuebersicht_mit_Tampon.jpg/976px-Beckenuebersicht_mit_Tampon.jpg

Keep your medical records to yourself plz k thnx

[Tenlaar]

Because your avatar is still broken :(
I think you are the broken one!

I only did it to see if you would respond. And you did. I win.
Congratulations, you can feel so smug about it when you go home and get all angry drunk again tonight.

[Gelston]

Keep your medical records to yourself plz k thnx

You had a period up there. I was giving you a warning.


I think you are the broken one!

Congratulations, you can feel so smug about it when you go home and get all angry drunk again tonight.

I AM HOME FAGGOT!

[Tgo01]

It's not just the shootings. It's stop and frisk, it's civil property seizures, it's beatings, it's harassment, it's etc etc. The police in general have a major image problem right now.

The police in general have a major image problem? Is it justified or is it a bunch of people jumping to conclusions and being assholes?

All Muslims are terrorists, right?

[Tgo01]

Police force should always be proportionate.

I agree. If someone is trying to kill a police officer; whether with a gun or with their fists, the cop should be able to shoot them.

[Kerranger]

What should this cop have done differently?

Trained more diligently in order to put 13 bullets on target.

[Androidpk]

Trained more diligently in order to put 13 bullets on target.

Because every cop can be trained to be a crack shot, right? :)

[Androidpk]

The police in general have a major image problem? Is it justified or is it a bunch of people jumping to conclusions and being assholes?

All Muslims are terrorists, right?

Unless you've been living under a rock you should know the answer to that.

[waywardgs]

The police in general have a major image problem? Is it justified or is it a bunch of people jumping to conclusions and being assholes?

All Muslims are terrorists, right?

It's pretty undeniable at this point that the police have an image problem, yes. They could all be saints, it doesn't matter. They have an image problem that they need to address.

[Kerranger]

Because every cop can be trained to be a crack shot, right? :)

Of course not, but its important to set the bar high.

[Tgo01]

It's pretty undeniable at this point that the police have an image problem, yes. They could all be saints, it doesn't matter. They have an image problem that they need to address.

They have an image problem with whom? A bunch of assholes who are going to insist all cops are racist, sexist, corrupt pieces of shit no matter what they do?

The police don't have an image problem with me. Maybe people should reexamine things and stop insisting cops are evil no matter what they do.

How do you suggest the police go about fixing their image problem?

[Gelston]

They have an image problem with whom? A bunch of assholes who are going to insist all cops are racist, sexist, corrupt pieces of shit no matter what they do?

The police don't have an image problem with me. Maybe people should reexamine things and stop insisting cops are evil no matter what they do.

How do you suggest the police go about fixing their image problem?

Porn.

[Androidpk]

Of course not, but its important to set the bar high.

It's also expensive to train with live ammo.

[Latrinsorm]

I agree. If someone is trying to kill a police officer; whether with a gun or with their fists, the cop should be able to shoot them.You mistakenly equate intent and force.

[RichardCranium]

Like I said, my first impression in this particular case is that it was probably a good shooting. But we're in the midst of a wave of bad ones, and bad police behavior in general, which may or may not be new but it's certainly being recorded and getting into the hands of the public more, which means they need to clean up their act or every shooting will be stained. Bad shootings are not just bad for the victims, or for the cop involved, it's bad for the public image of police in general. You don't want a populace that hates cops and think they're all a bunch of killers and thugs.

What wave of "bad shootings" are you referring to exactly?

[Androidpk]

They have an image problem with whom? A bunch of assholes who are going to insist all cops are racist, sexist, corrupt pieces of shit no matter what they do?

The police don't have an image problem with me. Maybe people should reexamine things and stop insisting cops are evil no matter what they do.

How do you suggest the police go about fixing their image problem?

You suck at trolling.

[Tgo01]

You mistakenly equate intent and force.

You mistakenly insisted I mistakenly suggested something in my original post.

[Androidpk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0a54KRz0EGA

[Tgo01]

You suck at trolling.

K.

[Gelston]

You suck at trolling.

You troll at sucking.

[Androidpk]

You troll at sucking.

You suck off trolls.

[Gelston]

You suck off trolls.

http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/eb/59/82/eb598261ca1e7e072c3e561740adc30f.jpg

[waywardgs]

They have an image problem with whom? A bunch of assholes who are going to insist all cops are racist, sexist, corrupt pieces of shit no matter what they do?

The police don't have an image problem with me. Maybe people should reexamine things and stop insisting cops are evil no matter what they do.

How do you suggest the police go about fixing their image problem?


Of course not, you're not being targeted. You're comfortable. You're safe. You don't face daily harassment. It's nothing to be ashamed of, you should count your blessings. But it doesn't hurt to try and understand the difficulties of others sometimes.

[Tgo01]

Of course not, you're not being targeted. You're comfortable. You're safe. You don't face daily harassment. It's nothing to be ashamed of, you should count your blessings. But it doesn't hurt to try and understand the difficulties of others sometimes.

You have faced daily harassment by police officers? But you're not black, what's your story? :O

[waywardgs]

You have faced daily harassment by police officers? But you're not black, what's your story? :O

That's the cool thing about empathy- it's generally reserved for other people. You know- like people who aren't you?

[Tgo01]

That's the cool thing about empathy- it's generally reserved for other people. You know- like people who aren't you?

Oh, so what you're saying is you don't have to be personally involved in these types of dealings to have an opinion on the matter.

Thanks for clearing that up for me :)

[waywardgs]

Oh, so what you're saying is you don't have to be personally involved in these types of dealings to have an opinion on the matter.

Thanks for clearing that up for me :)

I suspect- now correct me if I'm wrong, but I suspect- that you were already familiar with THAT concept. As in, everyone else is an asshole and wrong. Right?

[Tgo01]

As in, everyone else is an asshole and wrong. Right?

Yes.

[waywardgs]

Yes.

Yeah. But you're missing the EMPATHY part.

You should check out some drum circles.

[Gelston]

Yeah. But you're missing the EMPATHY part.

You should check out some drum circles.

Trying to turn people into hippies now?

[Tgo01]

What has empathy ever done for me?

[Gelston]

What has empathy ever done for me?

Do you use the spell in GS?

[waywardgs]

What has empathy ever done for me?

It's why your dad didn't kill and eat you as an infant.

[Gelston]

It's why your dad didn't kill and eat you as an infant.

No, that is just inherent survival traits we have as a species.

[Jeril]

That's the cool thing about empathy- it's generally reserved for other people. You know- like people who aren't you?

You ever have empathy for the cops, or are you like just about everyone else and only reserve it for those whom you felt have been victims?

[waywardgs]

You ever have empathy for the cops, or are you like just about everyone else and only reserve it for those whom you felt have been victims?

Are you saying that "just about everyone" is upset with certain recent police actions? Huh. Maybe there's something to it after all.

[Androidpk]

http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/eb/59/82/eb598261ca1e7e072c3e561740adc30f.jpg

Dibs

[waywardgs]

You ever have empathy for the cops, or are you like just about everyone else and only reserve it for those whom you felt have been victims?

Actually, this kind of irks me. I believe there are systemic, institutionalized problems with many police forces. It doesn't follow that I therefore hate police and think they're all bad. That's the kind of divisive and unhelpful conclusion that makes progress really difficult.

[Jeril]

Actually, this kind of irks me. I believe there are systemic, institutionalized problems with many police forces. It doesn't follow that I therefore hate police and think they're all bad. That's the kind of divisive and unhelpful conclusion that makes progress really difficult.

Why do you think I mention the training cops receive so often? I think they need better training and training more often. This of course would mean spending more money on the police and while people will claim the lives of those lost or harmed are priceless they aren't very willing to put their money where their mouth is. And while you may look at the situation and say that we need to do something about the problems, most people don't. All the problems we have take time and money to fix and people don't want to spend either on them despite all their complaints.

[Candor]

One of the most insidious bits about Bob McDonnell as Governor of Virginia is all the budget cuts he did to police departments and particularly police training.

It's not that Virginia couldn't use some budget cutting, but that was the wrong place to do it.

[Kerranger]

It's also expensive to train with live ammo.

I am aware of the cost. I shoot regularly with a lot of Eastern Bloc weapons, which are generally more inexpensive to shoot with.

[Androidpk]

Lets give cops AKs.

[JackWhisper]

Red
Thread: St. Louis shootings reignite anger among activists
eat shit and die

7030

[Warriorbird]

Lets give cops AKs.

Certainly reliable.

[Thondalar]

"Ballistic evidence shows Myers fired three shots before his gun jammed, Dotson said. Police said they recovered the 9 mm gun, which had been reported stolen on Sept. 26."

Unless this statement is an outright lie (and Myers was actually...uh...holding a sandwich), there just isn't anything to discuss here.

What, you're going to believe the Police? They're just trying to cover up another random killing of a completely innocent black teenager by the white man.

[Thondalar]

Actually, this kind of irks me. I believe there are systemic, institutionalized problems with many police forces. It doesn't follow that I therefore hate police and think they're all bad. That's the kind of divisive and unhelpful conclusion that makes progress really difficult.

I think it's nearly impossible to have systemic, institutionalized problems in the information age. Unless you count utterly wasting taxpayer money on purpose just because they can. That happens all the time.

[waywardgs]

I think it's nearly impossible to have systemic, institutionalized problems in the information age. Unless you count utterly wasting taxpayer money on purpose just because they can. That happens all the time.

We're noticing it now BECAUSE it's the information age.

[Androidpk]

We're noticing it now BECAUSE it's the information age.

Ding ding ding

[Latrinsorm]

I think it's nearly impossible to have systemic, institutionalized problems in the information age.O_O

[Thondalar]

We're noticing it now BECAUSE it's the information age.

What, exactly, are you noticing? What problems are we talking about here? I've said many times that there is a disturbing lack of citizen oversight when it comes to the financial aspects of government in general, and specific government agencies, specifically. If that's what you're talking about, then I agree completely.