World War Syria

[Androidpk]

The US just launched massive air strikes into Syria.

[Gompers]

Proxy war initiated.

[Gelston]

Click bait headline!

[Androidpk]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-29321136


US and other nations begin air strikes against Islamic State in Syria, Pentagon says

[Androidpk]

Air strikes and tomahawk cruise missiles.

[Gelston]

Air strikes and tomahawk cruise missiles.

Common response on little shitstain countries.

[Androidpk]

Apparently a shit ton of drones too.

https://mobile.twitter.com/3bdUlkaed6r/status/514226410932940800

[Taernath]

“Each Javelin round costs $80,000, and the idea that it's fired by a guy who doesn't make that in a year at a guy who doesn't make that in a lifetime is somehow so outrageous it almost makes the war seem winnable.” - Sebastian Junger

[Androidpk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGVNL7Kg--c&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[Gelston]

“Each Javelin round costs $80,000, and the idea that it's fired by a guy who doesn't make that in a year at a guy who doesn't make that in a lifetime is somehow so outrageous it almost makes the war seem winnable.” - Sebastian Junger

Shit, when I was in they had reenlistment bonuses at 80 for some MOSes.

[Androidpk]

American fighter jets and armed Predator and Reaper drones, flying alongside warplanes from several Arab allies, struck a broad array of targets in territory controlled by the militants, known as the Islamic State. American defense officials said the targets included weapons supplies, depots, barracks and buildings the militants use for command and control. Tomahawk cruise missiles were fired from United States Navy ships in the region.

My signing bonus was a firm handshake :/

[Gelston]

My signing bonus was a firm handshake :/[/FONT][/COLOR]

All the big bonuses were in the Infantry field. Infantry rifleman hit the cap of 80k in 2006, for example.

My buddy who was a Machine Gunner going into his second reenlistment got 50 in 2009.

[Androidpk]

All the big bonuses were in the Infantry field. Infantry rifleman hit the cap of 80k in 2006, for example.

My buddy who was a Machine Gunner going into his second reenlistment got 50 in 2009.

Eesh! I picked the wrong branch.

[Gelston]

Eesh! I picked the wrong branch.

I think the Army had hefty ones at the time too, not sure on AF or Navy.... But I imagine so.

Either way, I don't think the version of your job in the Marines got much. We kinda had a lot of people getting fucked up at the time and not being able to reenlist.

That is pretty much the reason I got Sergeant almost right when I was eligible.

[Androidpk]

The U.S. military will deploy manned and unmanned air assets, including F-22s, B-1 bombers, F-16s, F-15s and F/A-18s. The aircraft carrier USS George H.W. Bush is at the ready in the Persian Gulf, and the USS Arleigh Burke, a guided missile destroyer that fires Tomahawk Land Attack Missiles (TLAMs), is in the Red Sea.

This would be a first for the F-22s.

[Androidpk]

I think the Army had hefty ones at the time too, not sure on AF or Navy.... But I imagine so.

Either way, I don't think the version of your job in the Marines got much. We kinda had a lot of people getting fucked up at the time and not being able to reenlist.

That is pretty much the reason I got Sergeant almost right when I was eligible.

How many in the marines had that sort of job? My class at DINFOS was mostly air force and army, a couple of navy, and one marine.

[Gelston]

Sweet, F-22s finally getting their dicks wet.

[Gelston]

How many in the marines had that sort of job? My class at DINFOS was mostly air force and army, a couple of navy, and one marine.

Combat Camera and PAO? Couple thousand maybe? The Marines Corps was barely over 200 thousand folks at the height of Iraq though.

[Androidpk]

CNN is saying Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and the UAE air force flew/are flying with US jets.

[Gelston]

CNN is saying Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and the UAE air force flew/are flying with US jets.

Probably F-16s. Saudi Arabia flies F-15s.

[Androidpk]

15s and 16s for sure. I imagine they're just tagging along to force Syria's cooperation.

[Fallen]

Is it truly a World War if all of the world (figuratively) is just bombing the crap out of the same country?

[Androidpk]

Syria and Iraq, currently.

[Gelston]

Is it truly a World War if all of the world (figuratively) is just bombing the crap out of the same country?

I think you need more than air power. If we all had ground troops in, sure. Desert Storm is closer to a World War.

[Androidpk]

Naturally, Russia is objecting.

[Gelston]

Naturally, Russia is objecting.

I thought they'd like it. It helps their man too.

[Taernath]

I think you need more than air power. If we all had ground troops in, sure. Desert Storm is closer to a World War.

Doesn't there have to be war in multiple locations for it to be considered a world war?


Naturally, Russia is objecting.

It'll get interesting when civilians are killed in these airstrikes.

[Androidpk]

I think you need more than air power. If we all had ground troops in, sure. Desert Storm is closer to a World War.

We have sea, air, and land assets at play here.

[Gelston]

Doesn't there have to be war in multiple locations for it to be considered a world war?



It'll get interesting when civilians are killed in these airstrikes.

Depends on your qualifier. The 1st World War was Europe and the Middle East.... Not really world wide but most of the world was involved in some way.

I personally feel that it has to meet the qualifier of most countries, but also the concept of total war.

[Androidpk]

We have sea, air, and land assets at play here.

And the most important one of all, space.

[Gelston]

And the most important one of all, space.

Unconventional forces? Maybe. What land assets are you reading about in Syria?

[Androidpk]

Unconventional forces absolutely. Targeters.

[Androidpk]

Not to mention marines and combat search and rescue on standby.

[Gelston]

Unconventional forces absolutely. Targeters.

Maybe, maybe not. Our real time satellite imagery is pretty damn awesome now. Also, drones.

[Androidpk]

Trust me dude, we have special forces in Syria right now.

[Gelston]

Trust me dude, we have special forces in Syria right now.

Maybe we do, maybe we don't. You don't need to risk the political fallout if you don't have to. Better to waste civvies then have some captured SF guys. (Politically that is)

[Androidpk]

It's not the first time either. There was a raid carried out in Syria just a few months ago.

[Gelston]

It's not the first time either. There was a raid carried out in Syria just a few months ago.

There is a difference between a quick raid and embedding them into the country to carry out missions involving identification and targeting. We did it in Iraq and Afghan a lot because they also had shit tons of conventional assets they could call on. That went to shit a couple times too, see Lone Survivor.

Basically if you don't need to send those guys in, you don't.

[Androidpk]

Either type can go to shit. Like the helicopter that crashed during the bin laden raid. For an operation of this magnitude I guarantee we have grunts on the ground with laser designators. The F-22 can drop laser guides bombs but it does have its own pointer. USAF combat controllers are there for sure.

[Gelston]

Either type can go to shit. Like the helicopter that crashed during the bin laden raid. For an operation of this magnitude I guarantee we have grunts on the ground with laser designators. The F-22 can drop laser guides bombs but it does have its own pointer. USAF combat controllers are there for sure.

And I really don't think they are. I mean, sure, they could be... I think it is more likely we have HUMINT worked by the CIA giving us target that are either designated by drones or GPS.

I am certain they are standing by to rescue downed pilots, but hell, conventional Marines from the MEU do that too.

[Androidpk]

Air force boots are always first on the ground ;)

[Gelston]

Air force boots are always first on the ground ;)
When they are shot down! Well, unless a Navy or Marine pilot is shot down first.

I think the only way we'll ever find out if you are right about ground assets is if one of them is captured or killed.

[Androidpk]

Combat controllers and weatherman.

[Gelston]

Combat controllers and weatherman.

Every SF team can do what a Combat Controller does. Hell, most conventional infantry squads worth a damn knows how to talk to air.

We all learned that shit in the Marines, because, you know... Sometimes an F18 is there.

[Androidpk]

Every SF team can do what a Combat Controller does. Hell, most conventional infantry squads worth a damn knows how to talk to air.

No doubt. Greatness often inspires others.

[Astray]

Heeeeeey, just in time. Y'know, I had a discussion with family today about becoming army infantry. Looks like Obama just kick started some shit two days before I talk to a recruiter.

[Gelston]

No doubt. Greatness often inspires others.

We like to use our own assets. Fucking Air Force pilots wiping out platoons of Marines in friendly fire incidents and all.

Also, the Marine Corps had its own air wing since before the Air Force existed. (1912)

[Androidpk]

Fog of war effects all.

[Androidpk]

Heeeeeey, just in time. Y'know, I had a discussion with family today about becoming army infantry. Looks like Obama just kick started some shit two days before I talk to a recruiter.

Why 11B?

[Gelston]

Fog of war effects all.

It does.... But both incidents involving Marines was with A-10s... They should have better vehicle identification training. They are flying lower and slower.

[Gelston]

Heeeeeey, just in time. Y'know, I had a discussion with family today about becoming army infantry. Looks like Obama just kick started some shit two days before I talk to a recruiter.

Heh, I joined the Marines August 27th 2001. Shit happens. I doubt we are going into any sort of conventional war anytime soon though.

[Astray]

Why 11B?

Family footsteps.

[Androidpk]

Even at their "low" speeds you're talking anywhere from 200 to 400mph. Shit sucks when it happens but as one fictional General said the military is a broadsword not a scalpel.

[Androidpk]

Family footsteps.

Have you considered cav scout?

[Gelston]

Even at their "low" speeds you're talking anywhere from 200 to 400mph. Shit sucks when it happens but as one fictional General said the military is a broadsword not a scalpel.

Well, for the second one a FAC cleared it because he didn't realize they had advanced so fast. That is a couple levels of failure there. The first one is not excusable though.

[Astray]

Have you considered cav scout?

Not really. I know that my Great Grandfather served in each branch, signed up to the Air Force drunk. Since I can't get away with that because I'm something of a dumbass, I'm opting for just one of those giant footprints.

[Gelston]

Have you considered cav scout?

I'd say go 11b. You can always latmove onto CavScout.

[Androidpk]

I'd say go 11b. You can always latmove onto CavScout.

Could do that as well. What I would do in your situation, personally, would be 19D and then switch over to civil affairs once eligible.

[Androidpk]

Just remember, the Army doesn't have gundams. Yet.

[Gelston]

Could do that as well. What I would do in your situation, personally, would be 19D and then switch over to civil affairs once eligible.

Of course you would, Pansy!

[Androidpk]

Of course you would, Pansy!

Active duty CA teams fall under special forces!

[Astray]

Just remember, the Army doesn't have gundams. Yet.

Pffft, we don't need Gundams. A Zaku will do just nicely.

[Gelston]

Active duty CA teams fall under special forces!

Whatever helps you sleep at night!

PS, when I was on the 13th MEU, we were all SOC.

[Androidpk]

Whatever helps you sleep at night!

PS, when I was on the 13th MEU, we were all SOC.

Civil affairs and psy ops were added a few years ago. I'd have to check exact dates. They both go through schooling at the JFK social warfare center. Of course only about 15% of army civil affairs teams are active duty.

That's not to say it automatically makes them badasses or something as even dumbasses can get through the training. When I qualified on the m-16 in boot camp someone transferred into my platoon the day before. Bragging up a storm about how his dad and older brother were snipers and special forces and taught him all the tricks. Shot a 15/40. :lol:

[Gelston]

Civil affairs and psy ops were added a few years ago. I'd have to check exact dates. They both go through schooling at the JFK social warfare center. Of course only about 15% of army civil affairs teams are active duty.

I had a spot in school for Recon, took and passed the indoc, but I thought about it and didn't want it. I like the straight leg infantry better.

[Androidpk]

Recon seems like it would be the way to go. Mobility wins wars.

[Gelston]

Recon seems like it would be the way to go. Mobility wins wars.

The entire Marine Corps is based on mobility. All our infantry is considered light infantry.

[Latrinsorm]

My signing bonus was a firm handshake :/DON'T TELL
Is it truly a World War if all of the world (figuratively) is just bombing the crap out of the same country?imo WW2 was the only actual world war. WW1 only got the title because Europeans have a hugely overinflated sense of their importance, which you can see in a much less horrific context with the Olympics.

[Wrathbringer]

All the big bonuses were in the Infantry field. Infantry rifleman hit the cap of 80k in 2006, for example.

My buddy who was a Machine Gunner going into his second reenlistment got 50 in 2009.

Gotta pay the bullet sponges. It's not a popular job for obvious reasons, so it's a tough sell.

[Thondalar]

WW1 only got the title because Europeans have a hugely overinflated sense of their importance, which you can see in a much less horrific context with the Olympics.

I'm sure the fact that most of the world was controlled by European countries at the time of WW1 had nothing to do with it. Hell, England by itself controlled 1/4 of the entire land area of the planet at that time.

[Latrinsorm]

I'm sure the fact that most of the world was controlled by European countries at the time of WW1 had nothing to do with it. Hell, England by itself controlled 1/4 of the entire land area of the planet at that time.Me too. See? We can agree on things when you stop being wrong for a change! :)

[Thondalar]

Me too. See? We can agree on things when you stop being wrong for a change! :)

You're really something else.

[Latrinsorm]

You're really something else.;D

[Izalude]

imo WW2 was the only actual world war. WW1 only got the title because Europeans have a hugely overinflated sense of their importance, which you can see in a much less horrific context with the Olympics.

Captain here. Quite a bit of fighting took place outside of Europe. Especially in the southern parts of Africa where Germany had colonies. There were something like 900k casualties in the African theater alone. Not to mention the battle of Tsingtao in China, Gallipoli, the Armenian genocide, as well as all kinds of Naval warfare all over the globe. World War 1, known as the Great War by the European powers was definitely a Global conflict. (flies away)

[Johnny Five]

Captain here. Quite a bit of fighting took place outside of Europe. Especially in the southern parts of Africa where Germany had colonies. There were something like 900k casualties in the African theater alone. Not to mention the battle of Tsingtao in China, Gallipoli, the Armenian genocide, as well as all kinds of Naval warfare all over the globe. World War 1, known as the Great War by the European powers was definitely a Global conflict. (flies away)

I have been educated!

[Tgo01]

I have been educated!

On the internet?!

http://fireofthylove.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/blake-griffin-surprised.gif

[Parkbandit]

Captain here. Quite a bit of fighting took place outside of Europe. Especially in the southern parts of Africa where Germany had colonies. There were something like 900k casualties in the African theater alone. Not to mention the battle of Tsingtao in China, Gallipoli, the Armenian genocide, as well as all kinds of Naval warfare all over the globe. World War 1, known as the Great War by the European powers was definitely a Global conflict. (flies away)

So wait.. World War 1 was actually a world war?

Who would have thunk...

[Latrinsorm]

Captain here. Quite a bit of fighting took place outside of Europe. Especially in the southern parts of Africa where Germany had colonies. There were something like 900k casualties in the African theater alone. Not to mention the battle of Tsingtao in China, Gallipoli, the Armenian genocide, as well as all kinds of Naval warfare all over the globe. World War 1, known as the Great War by the European powers was definitely a Global conflict. (flies away)I don't think global and world are interchangeable in this context, so I stand by what I said. When Americans fought Vietnamese in Cambodia, we didn't call it the Cambodian War.

[Androidpk]

CNN is saying Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and the UAE air force flew/are flying with US jets.

Add Qatar to that list. The French air force is striking targets in Iraq but they have said Iraq only. The Netherlands and belgium are each sending six F-16s as well as their respective crews along with advisors to Jordan and Iraq and it is possible they may extend their mission to Syria.

[Androidpk]

Add France to the list of possible allies for Syrian missions now.

[Androidpk]

Turkey just authorized troop deployments into Iraq and Syria.

[Johnny Five]

Turkey just authorized troop deployments into Iraq and Syria.

http://www.search-best-cartoon.com/cartoon-turkey/gun-ready-cartoon-turkey.jpg

[Gelston]

WASHINGTON -- President Obama conceded in an interview that the United States underestimated Islamic State militants who have taken over swaths of Syria and Iraq, calling the fight against violent extremism in the Middle East "a generational challenge" that the region's nations have to resolve through political and economic means.
The president cast the American-led bombing campaign against Islamic State and its infrastructure as an effort to buy time for Middle Eastern countries, especially Iraq, to cool sectarian tensions and build more inclusive governments that are strong enough to take on militant groups themselves.
"Rather than play whack-a-mole and send U.S. troops wherever this occurs, we have to build strong partnerships," Obama said in an interview airing Sunday evening on "60 Minutes." "We've got to get Arab and Muslim leaders to say very clearly, 'These folks do not represent us. They do not represent Islam.'

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2014/09/29/obama-says-us-misjudged-rise-of-islamic-state-militants.html?ESRC=marine.nl

So, not likely to be any US troops.

[Androidpk]

So, not likely to be any US troops.

Which is a mistake. Not only won't we have boots on the ground apparently we won't be embedding SOF in with these "moderate" Syrians that are going to be trained in Saudi Arabia.

https://medium.com/the-bridge/unconventional-warfare-and-strategic-optionality-acab7386086

[Androidpk]

US boots on the ground in Syria! Game over man, game over!!!1

http://www.channel3000.com/news/official-3-americans-fighting-with-kurds/28380114

[Gelston]

Pft, the guy it names isn't US Military. There have been US dudes in Syria fighting on both sides since the start of it all.

[Androidpk]

It's called tongue in cheek humor.

[Gelston]

It's called tongue in cheek humor.

I've always found "tongue-in-cheek" to be a stupid phrase. Does anyone ever physically do that? I mean, I guess someone did at one point.

[Androidpk]

On a more serious note, why is a retired general leading this operation and why hasn't the Pentagon given an operation name?

[Parkbandit]

I've always found "tongue-in-cheek" to be a stupid phrase. Does anyone ever physically do that? I mean, I guess someone did at one point.

The ironic usage originates with the idea of suppressed mirth—biting one's tongue to prevent an outburst of laughter

http://robertpattinsonwho.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/20091111-sim-s67-823.jpg



http://cdn.gifbay.com/2013/05/colberts_tongue_in_cheeks_style-50791.gif

[Astray]

Eternal War? Damn. And me without a bolter.

[Tgo01]

Canada says they're going to launch airstrikes against ISIS now. You know you fucked up when Canada sends their one plane to bomb your ass.

[Androidpk]

A video uploaded by ISIS showing the ongoing battle for the border city Kobane.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywK_XB8LOFg

[Androidpk]

Turkish PM on IS and Syrian war.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwFIscbphEI

[Androidpk]

I've been tweeting updates on the whole Iraq, Syria, Kobane stuff and now I have some IS guys following me.. :|

Wrath, your shart reps are entirely boring.

[JackWhisper]

You aren't the only one who knows Wrathbringer is the shart repper!

[Wrathbringer]

You aren't the only one who knows Wrathbringer is the shart repper!

Don't you mean shartbringer?


I've been tweeting updates on the whole Iraq, Syria, Kobane stuff and now I have some IS guys following me.. :|

Wrath, your shart reps are entirely boring.

It was probably IS (Islamic shart).

[JackWhisper]

You heard it here. Anticor, this man wants to be titled The Shartbringer. Nuff said.

[Wrathbringer]

You heard it here. Anticor, this man wants to be titled The Shartbringer. Nuff said.

Behold! The Bringer of Sharts!

[Androidpk]

US airdrops arms and supplies to Kurdish opposition fighters in Syrian town of Kobani

About time I say.

[Tgo01]

Why is either side even bothering fighting for this city anymore? Haven't all of the citizens fled and most of the town is just rubble now?

[Gelston]

Why is either side even bothering fighting for this city anymore? Haven't all of the citizens fled and most of the town is just rubble now?

It is the gateway to Turkey.

[Tgo01]

It is the gateway to Turkey.

Doesn't really sound like much of a prize. But I guess that's why I just play strategy games on my computer and don't live them.

[Gelston]

Doesn't really sound like much of a prize. But I guess that's why I just play strategy games on my computer and don't live them.

If it is lost, the Kurdish fighters would be completely cut off and Syrian Kurdistan would probably fold to ISIS rather quickly.

[Gelston]

Here is some shit about it. http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2014/10/07/why-kobani-matters/

[Androidpk]

There are large sections in rubble but most of it is still standing and I'm sure the citizens that fled will want to return at some point.

[Androidpk]

On a side note I'll say that anyone who says women shouldn't be on the front lines of combat should take a look at the female Kurd soldiers and see what they have accomplished.

[Thondalar]

On a side note I'll say that anyone who says women shouldn't be on the front lines of combat should take a look at the female Kurd soldiers and see what they have accomplished.

As long as women can complete the exact same physical requirements of our male troops, I have no problem putting them in infantry. I'm all for it.

[Gelston]

On a side note I'll say that anyone who says women shouldn't be on the front lines of combat should take a look at the female Kurd soldiers and see what they have accomplished.

Children should be all up in it too. Works for Africa!

[Atlanteax]

http://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2014/10/14/isis-fighters-killed-by-kurds-were-members-of-turkish-mit-intelligence-services/


ISIS fighters killed by Kurds were members of Turkish MIT (Intelligence Services)

This, if legit, would seem to 'explain' why Turkey is a non-participant vs ISIS

[Fallen]

http://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2014/10/14/isis-fighters-killed-by-kurds-were-members-of-turkish-mit-intelligence-services/



This, if legit, would seem to 'explain' why Turkey is a non-participant vs ISIS

Have a ..different source for this news?

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[Wrathbringer]

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Due to the word muslim, I guess. Appropriately categorized.

[Androidpk]

Turkey is slowly coming around. They're allowing Iraqi Kurds to cross into Syria via Turkey.

[Atlanteax]

Turkey is slowly coming around. They're allowing Iraqi Kurds to cross into Syria via Turkey.

More like been shamed into it by NATO and the rest of the Middle East.

[Androidpk]

More like been shamed into it by NATO and the rest of the Middle East.

Oh I'm sure. It was in their best interest to do so even if they didn't want to though. I wonder what kind of concessions were made.

I also wonder who convinced Obama and Kerry that Kobane was an important battleground and that a victory there against IS is both tactically and strategically important.

[Atlanteax]

Perhaps that Turkey would not be kicked out of NATO with Constantinople and the rest of Thrace returned to Greece.

[Androidpk]

Perhaps that Turkey would not be kicked out of NATO with Constantinople and the rest of Thrace returned to Greece.

Maybe we threatened to tell Russia that Russians in Turkey were being oppressed and needed immediate assistance.

[Latrinsorm]

Due to the word muslim, I guess. Appropriately categorized.I'm gonna guess it's due to the page titled "Join the Islamophobes through history."

[Androidpk]

Kobane after months of fighting.

https://i.imgur.com/bLzJzsl.jpg

[Gelston]

Kobane after months of fighting.

https://i.imgur.com/bLzJzsl.jpg

No, that is the before picture.

[Androidpk]

No, that is the before picture.

Shut your dirty cock holster, whore.

[Jarvan]

No, that is the before picture.

Odd.. I thought that was a random city in Jersey.

[Back]

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Why was this post ignored?

[Gelston]

Why was this post ignored?

It wasn't. He was asking for another website because that one was blocked by his work filters.

[Back]

It wasn't. He was asking for another website because that one was blocked by his work filters.

Interesting why it was blocked.

[Gelston]

Interesting why it was blocked.

The same reason PC gets blocked by some filters, it has certain keywords in it that hit the filters. It is generally an automated system and things can and do get erroneously blocked.

[Back]

The same reason PC gets blocked by some filters, it has certain keywords in it that hit the filters. It is generally an automated system and things can and do get erroneously blocked.

Well thank you Dr. Science! Can you think of any other reason it may be considered hate speech or blocked or have another link to source it?

[Back]

That site looks like funded proxy for someone's propaganda.

[Tgo01]

Is Back really questioning how a blog site that deals with news that involves violence, hatred, and racism on a daily basis might have been accidentally blocked due to violence, hatred, and racism?

[Back]

Is Back really questioning how a blog site that deals with news that involves violence, hatred, and racism on a daily basis might have been accidentally blocked due to violence, hatred, and racism?

Am I? Or am I questioning a single source blog using Twitter as a source for inciting such?

[Tgo01]

Am I? Or am I questioning a single source blog using Twitter as a source for inciting such?


Interesting why it was blocked.

I think it's my theory to be honest.

[Archigeek]

Don't know if anyone posted this yet, but this is a pretty enlightening article about ISIS.

http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

[Androidpk]

Don't know if anyone posted this yet, but this is a pretty enlightening article about ISIS.

http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

Back did earlier today in another thread. Good piece on them. Very informative.

[JackWhisper]

I actually took the time to read that article. It was well thought out, very well presented, and it was interesting, to boot.

And it STILL said that the people in ISIS are all fucking nuts. And they need to be drowned in napalm.

[Candor]

There comes a point where a person becomes so violent and so extreme that death is the only viable solution. The people in ISIS fall into this definition. I wish that wasn't the case, but it is what it is.

[JackWhisper]

I've never advocated going to war with anyone, but on a very serious note, just how many innocent people live in the confines of ISIS controlled lands versus ISIS people who should be bombed? I mean really think on that, and someone figure it out!

[Androidpk]

I've never advocated going to war with anyone, but on a very serious note, just how many innocent people live in the confines of ISIS controlled lands versus ISIS people who should be bombed? I mean really think on that, and someone figure it out!

2 million +

[JackWhisper]

How many people are ISIS people in those lands with the 2 million + innocents?

[SHAFT]

Air strikes won't win anything vs isis. Ground troops closing in on all sides with greatly injure them however. The fact that they've been allowed to exist so long that they can move into Libya and Afghanistan is frightening. They're spreading like cancer.

[Androidpk]

How many people are ISIS people in those lands with the 2 million + innocents?

The last figure I saw was around 30,000.

[Androidpk]

Air strikes won't win anything vs isis. Ground troops closing in on all sides with greatly injure them however. The fact that they've been allowed to exist so long that they can move into Libya and Afghanistan is frightening. They're spreading like cancer.

Ground troops are needed to fight them but asides from Kurdish Peshmerga, the YPG, the YPJ, and Iraqi military and militia forces no other country (asides from Iran) has active combat troops (special forces not included.) So aside from the number of air strikes carried out by the US it seems we don't really have a proper strategy for dealing with ISIL. Hell, at the recent conference in Europe the Kurdish weren't even invited, despite being heavy involved. They should be our biggest ally yet we're too worried about offending Turkey. The same Turkey that has been caught giving material aid to ISIL as well as allowing extremists to cross the border freely into Syria.

[Archigeek]

If you read that article, you'll know that they want the US to commit ground troops. Apparently the Quaran says something about the beginning of the apocalypse starting there, vs "the armies of Rome", and they think the US will do just fine.

The article is a great read if you want to understand them. A long slog, but worth some of your time.

[Androidpk]

If you read that article, you'll know that they want the US to commit ground troops. Apparently the Quaran says something about the beginning of the apocalypse starting there, vs "the armies of Rome", and they think the US will do just fine.

The article is a great read if you want to understand them. A long slog, but worth some of your time.

They aren't the only ones. Iraq, Jordan and Saudi Arabia all want us to commit troops. They love to hate on US but they have no problem crying for our help instead of handling matters on their own like they should be doing.

[JackWhisper]

I don't mean to sound less than informed, but where's the article of the school murdering thing that ISIS did? Or am I misremembering it? Some terrorists killed an entire school of children and said it was in justice of the parents of the kids *ethnicitywise* killing the terrorist's kids.... Sounds weird, but it happened. I just can't find the article.

[Archigeek]

I think their Achilles heel will be that unlike Al Queda they must hold territory in order to be a califate. This means that they can't run and hide. If they do, they no longer fit the part and aren't a califate, and therefore no longer have authority.

[JackWhisper]

I think their Achilles heel will be that unlike Al Queda they must hold territory in order to be a califate. This means that they can't run and hide. If they do, they no longer fit the part and aren't a califate, and therefore no longer have authority.

It also means they have to operate within that territory, and not hide in random countries in sand castles. Which means hunting them is easier. Anything that makes the military's job easier is bueno in my book.

[JackWhisper]

While they may have to stay situated to operate within the territory, they'll still leave to be terrorists, but they'll return. Having a home is a dangerous thing when you're a scumbag who murders kids and innocents.

[Androidpk]

As long as the general populace in contested areas support ISIL, and so far they mostly are, they don't have to worry. Air strikes can only do so much and you can't be dropping bombs on Mosul.

[Back]

I don't mean to sound less than informed, but where's the article of the school murdering thing that ISIS did? Or am I misremembering it? Some terrorists killed an entire school of children and said it was in justice of the parents of the kids *ethnicitywise* killing the terrorist's kids.... Sounds weird, but it happened. I just can't find the article.

That was the Taliban in Pakistan.

[Wrathbringer]

As long as the general populace in contested areas support ISIL, and so far they mostly are, they don't have to worry. Air strikes can only do so much and you can't be dropping bombs on Mosul.

Life saving nuclear weapons ftw! AMIRITE?

[Back]

These ISIS are the ultimate trolls.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/02/17/italy-fears-isis-invasion-from-libya.html

Italy Fears ISIS Invasion From Libya


As ISIS makes inroads into Libya, officials in Rome are panicking about an Islamic State just across the sea—but have no idea how to combat the crisis.

They talk about conquering Rome. They are making ground right off of Italy's coasts. Pope power activate!

[Parkbandit]

They talk about conquering Rome. They are making ground right off of Italy's coasts. Pope power activate!

They are no threat, just trolls. We should let them just do whatever, because it's not our right to tell other people what to do. Everyone has a right to do whatever they want to do.

We should concentrate our efforts on reversing global warming, which is the real threat.

[Tgo01]

These ISIS are the ultimate trolls.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/02/17/italy-fears-isis-invasion-from-libya.html

Italy Fears ISIS Invasion From Libya



They talk about conquering Rome. They are making ground right off of Italy's coasts. Pope power activate!

I thought ISIS wasn't a threat to anyone?

[Jarvan]

I thought ISIS wasn't a threat to anyone?

They are not. They are on their last leg. They are retreating, They are the JV team, and are not an issue really. Our airstrikes have weakened them immensely and they no longer have the power to move forward.

[Androidpk]

They are not. They are on their last leg. They are retreating, They are the JV team, and are not an issue really. Our airstrikes have weakened them immensely and they no longer have the power to move forward.

Shut up, Obama.

[Warriorbird]

They are not. They are on their last leg. They are retreating, They are the JV team, and are not an issue really. Our airstrikes have weakened them immensely and they no longer have the power to move forward.

I'm getting this Iraqi Propaganda Minister vibe.

[Androidpk]

I'm getting this Iraqi Propaganda Minister vibe.

https://ethicsalarms.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/baghdad_bob_1.jpg?w=450&h=308

[Back]

Who said they weren't a threat?

[Gelston]

Who said they weren't a threat?


To close this out, despite the sickening flirting between PB and Nikki...

ISIS is going to implode. They are not a threat to anyone. They are trolls and will continue to troll everyone. They will lose.



You.

[Tgo01]

Who said they weren't a threat?

http://pikof.com/di/E358/its-time-to-stop-posting.jpg

[Back]

Oh right.

[SHAFT]

They are not. They are on their last leg. They are retreating, They are the JV team, and are not an issue really. Our airstrikes have weakened them immensely and they no longer have the power to move forward.

They are moving into Libya and Afghanistan however. This is a problem.

[Androidpk]

They are moving into Libya and Afghanistan however. This is a problem.

Afghanistan is surely fucked but I'll be really concerned if they move into Pakistan. Then we are fucked.

[Parkbandit]

Who said they weren't a threat?

http://media.giphy.com/media/zM87SksxEs5H2/giphy.gif

https://badbooksgoodtimes.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/sofuckingstupid.gif

[SHAFT]

Boko haram has been using the same flag as isis recently. That is the scary thought: that isis and boko haram could ever connect. With isis heading into Africa anything is possible. Not sure if their ideologies completely match, but both are Sunni groups looking establish caliphates.

[Androidpk]

Boko haram has been using the same flag as isis recently. That is the scary thought: that isis and boko haram could ever connect. With isis heading into Africa anything is possible. Not sure if their ideologies completely match, but both are Sunni groups looking establish caliphates.

Scary for the people in Africa, sure. The global ramifications for ISIS joining forces with AQ and the Taliban in Pakistan are worse. Because nukes.

[SHAFT]

Pakistan is in a fairly solid state with their government and military. Syria and Iraq have been fucked for a while. But yeah, them getting their hands on something like a nuke is scary. I think you'd see the governments of the world rally to not allow that to happen however.

This is a good article. Bit different from the rhetoric you hear and read from major media outlets:

http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

[Gelston]

Yeah, not too worried about Pakistan. I mean, yeah, it'd be terrorist attacks, but they won't be able to fight the Pakistani Army conventionally as they have been the Iraqis and Syrians.

[Androidpk]

Pakistan already has its hands full with existing problems. Tens of thousands more fighters pouring into the country would be bad for them.

[Gelston]

Pakistan already has its hands full with existing problems. Tens of thousands more fighters pouring into the country would be bad for them.

I don't think it'd be tens of thousands more. Plus, I think a standing army of 550,000 with a reserve force of another 500,000 can handle it. This is just their army too, not counting other forces and paramilitary units.

And it isn't like Iran would simply allow that many ISIS fighters to waltz through their country to get there. They hate those dudes too.

[Back]

I don't think it'd be tens of thousands more. Plus, I think a standing army of 550,000 with a reserve force of another 500,000 can handle it. This is just their army too, not counting other forces and paramilitary units.

And it isn't like Iran would simply allow that many ISIS fighters to waltz through their country to get there. They hate those dudes too.

I would agree with the Gelston.

ISIS needs to hold ground to claim a legitimate caliphate. They are rapidly losing ground.

[Androidpk]

I would agree with the Gelston.

ISIS needs to hold ground to claim a legitimate caliphate. They are rapidly losing ground.

Define rapidly?

[Back]

Implosion.

France. Egypt. Lebanon. Italy. And everyone.

ISIS thinks it is the end of times so they have nothing to lose. Thing is... there are no end of times.

[Warriorbird]

Implosion.

France. Egypt. Lebanon. Italy. And everyone.

ISIS thinks it is the end of times so they have nothing to lose. Thing is... there are no end of times.

You've got this strong Piers Morgan vibe going on.

[Androidpk]

Implosion.

France. Egypt. Lebanon. Italy. And everyone.

ISIS thinks it is the end of times so they have nothing to lose. Thing is... there are no end of times.

That isn't a source. You said they are rapidly losing ground. They are still in almost full control of the Anbar province. They are still in control of Mosul. They're rapidly closing in on Kurdish cities. Their only real defeat has been at Kobane and that was after months of intense urban warfare and air strikes by US military.

[Back]

You've got this strong Piers Morgan vibe going on.

So I guess you are saying I'm witty and handsome?

[Back]

That isn't a source. You said they are rapidly losing ground. They are still in almost full control of the Anbar province. They are still in control of Mosul. They're rapidly closing in on Kurdish cities. Their only real defeat has been at Kobane and that was after months of intense urban warfare and air strikes by US military.

They aren't as strong as they want you to think they are. In fact, they are on retreat.

[Androidpk]

So I guess you are saying I'm witty and handsome?

Ignorant and obtuse :|

[Back]

Who pissed in your Cheerios?

[Androidpk]

Who pissed in your Cheerios?

Piers Morgan

[Back]

That bastard.

[Jarvan]

I have been thinking.. and frankly I am confused. (Yeah I know.. ha ha)

Supposedly Obama doesn't refer to these terrorists as Islamic, or Muslim, because he doesn't want to link them to the religion, and they are not Muslims as far as he is concerned, since the Islamic faith is one of peace.

Well.. who is he to say what a religion is and isn't. There are schisms in religion all the time, over less things then this even. Look at the Catholic church and the Lutheran church. Are Lutherans really just Catholics? If people believe that their religion demands the death of all other religions.. while that may be morally fucked up to the rest of us... does that make their religion any less of a religion?

Not to mention the fact that they don't want to call this a religious war, because they don't want people that may want to join ISIS for example, to have a reason to join. aka.. a religious reason. Guess what... ISIS has ALREADY made it a religious war. US saying it isn't doesn't change that. Someone sitting at home thinking they should join the fight against the evil infidels won't give two shits that Obama says it isn't a religious war.

Look at it this way. If the Hell's Angels had an offshoot that swore to kill every other biker in the world if they didn't join them... and then started doing it. Would the Justice department refuse to call them Hell's Angels for fear of upsetting... Hell's Angels?

[Wrathbringer]

I have been thinking.. and frankly I am confused. (Yeah I know.. ha ha)

Supposedly Obama doesn't refer to these terrorists as Islamic, or Muslim, because he doesn't want to link them to the religion, and they are not Muslims as far as he is concerned, since the Islamic faith is one of peace.

Well.. who is he to say what a religion is and isn't. There are schisms in religion all the time, over less things then this even. Look at the Catholic church and the Lutheran church. Are Lutherans really just Catholics? If people believe that their religion demands the death of all other religions.. while that may be morally fucked up to the rest of us... does that make their religion any less of a religion?

Not to mention the fact that they don't want to call this a religious war, because they don't want people that may want to join ISIS for example, to have a reason to join. aka.. a religious reason. Guess what... ISIS has ALREADY made it a religious war. US saying it isn't doesn't change that. Someone sitting at home thinking they should join the fight against the evil infidels won't give two shits that Obama says it isn't a religious war.

Look at it this way. If the Hell's Angels had an offshoot that swore to kill every other biker in the world if they didn't join them... and then started doing it. Would the Justice department refuse to call them Hell's Angels for fear of upsetting... Hell's Angels?

He's king Obama. Kneel in subservient awe of his vast knowledge and experience!

[Taernath]

Guys, we're fucked.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu2wP6DI8WU

[Gelston]

I was hoping a plane would come by and cluster bomb the shit out of the convoy.

[Androidpk]

I was hoping a plane would come by and cluster bomb the shit out of the convoy.

This. We should be dropping daisy cutters and MOABs on these fuckers.

[~Rocktar~]

I prefer precision ordinance and napalm. Clusterbombs even without mine delay leave far too muck unexploded ordinance around and that shit ain't funny. Other things kill just as well with less mess to clean up later.

[Gelston]

I prefer precision ordinance and napalm. Clusterbombs even without mine delay leave far too muck unexploded ordinance around and that shit ain't funny. Other things kill just as well with less mess to clean up later.

Yeah, don't care about the mess. Cluster bombs are cheaper.

[Androidpk]

The US military has clusterbombs that have kinetic energy penetrators like tungsten rods, so there is no chance of shit not exploding.

[Jarvan]

I still think bombs are a waste of money. 1 Hellfire missile is like 110k, so you know we probably pay 300k for it. 300k for what, maybe 5 guys? We should be investing all that money into creating a plague that causes the dick and balls to shrivel up and fall off.

Imagine the anti recruiting posters...

Join ISIS, Fight America.. Have your balls shrivel up and fall off!

Then underneath..

How you going to enjoy those virgins now?

[Androidpk]

I still think bombs are a waste of money. 1 Hellfire missile is like 110k, so you know we probably pay 300k for it. 300k for what, maybe 5 guys? We should be investing all that money into creating a plague that causes the dick and balls to shrivel up and fall off.

Imagine the anti recruiting posters...

Join ISIS, Fight America.. Have your balls shrivel up and fall off!

Then underneath..

How you going to enjoy those virgins now?

Yeah.. biological weapons.. You're a smart one, jarvy.

[JackWhisper]

I still think bombs are a waste of money. 1 Hellfire missile is like 110k, so you know we probably pay 300k for it. 300k for what, maybe 5 guys? We should be investing all that money into creating a plague that causes the dick and balls to shrivel up and fall off.

Imagine the anti recruiting posters...

Join ISIS, Fight America.. Have your balls shrivel up and fall off!

Then underneath..

How you going to enjoy those virgins now?


I can see it now.

America called racist. Why? Because their dickball virus only targets ISIS.

[Jarvan]

Yeah.. biological weapons.. You're a smart one, jarvy.

LOL.

Sorry. I am old school. Whatever it takes to win a war. I have no feelings at all for my enemy. The only real goal should be their utter destruction and death.

As it is, for the last what.. 50 years or so, we have been fighting wars with an arm tied behind out backs, and both bootlaces tied together. While our enemy is free to do whatever they want. Our enemies know this. Which is why they really don't fear our wrath. because they know they will not really face our wrath, but our restrained wrath.

Hell.. just look at our change in ammo. .223 Fucking shit round really. It's designed so we can carry more ammo, and fire on fully auto easier. Why in gods name would you really fire an M4 on fully auto? It's also designed to wound, not kill, so as to cause a higher logistical problem for our enemies. Our enemies don't really care about wounded half the time. We have ammo that pisses off those hit, instead of killing them. That right there says all you need to know about our "wrath".

[Androidpk]

You probably think the 9mm is a shit round too.

[Latrinsorm]

I have been thinking.. and frankly I am confused. (Yeah I know.. ha ha)

Supposedly Obama doesn't refer to these terrorists as Islamic, or Muslim, because he doesn't want to link them to the religion, and they are not Muslims as far as he is concerned, since the Islamic faith is one of peace.

Well.. who is he to say what a religion is and isn't. There are schisms in religion all the time, over less things then this even. Look at the Catholic church and the Lutheran church. Are Lutherans really just Catholics? If people believe that their religion demands the death of all other religions.. while that may be morally fucked up to the rest of us... does that make their religion any less of a religion?If their religion doesn't demand that, it makes them factually incorrect.

[~Rocktar~]

The US military has clusterbombs that have kinetic energy penetrators like tungsten rods, so there is no chance of shit not exploding.

Yano, I had thought out a long reply to your ignorant foolishness and then I remembered the saying about teaching a pig to sing and decided not to get into a shit flinging contest with a monkey like you. Have fun with your miserable life.

[Androidpk]

Yano, I had thought out a long reply to your ignorant foolishness and then I remembered the saying about teaching a pig to sing and decided not to get into a shit flinging contest with a monkey like you. Have fun with your miserable life.

Huh? You said you didn't care for clusterbombs because of unexploded ordinance.

[Gelston]

LOL.

Sorry. I am old school. Whatever it takes to win a war. I have no feelings at all for my enemy. The only real goal should be their utter destruction and death.

As it is, for the last what.. 50 years or so, we have been fighting wars with an arm tied behind out backs, and both bootlaces tied together. While our enemy is free to do whatever they want. Our enemies know this. Which is why they really don't fear our wrath. because they know they will not really face our wrath, but our restrained wrath.

Hell.. just look at our change in ammo. .223 Fucking shit round really. It's designed so we can carry more ammo, and fire on fully auto easier. Why in gods name would you really fire an M4 on fully auto? It's also designed to wound, not kill, so as to cause a higher logistical problem for our enemies. Our enemies don't really care about wounded half the time. We have ammo that pisses off those hit, instead of killing them. That right there says all you need to know about our "wrath".

So much no in there.

[Wrathbringer]

LOL.

Sorry. I am old school. Whatever it takes to win a war. I have no feelings at all for my enemy. The only real goal should be their utter destruction and death.

As it is, for the last what.. 50 years or so, we have been fighting wars with an arm tied behind out backs, and both bootlaces tied together. While our enemy is free to do whatever they want. Our enemies know this. Which is why they really don't fear our wrath. because they know they will not really face our wrath, but our restrained wrath.

Hell.. just look at our change in ammo. .223 Fucking shit round really. It's designed so we can carry more ammo, and fire on fully auto easier. Why in gods name would you really fire an M4 on fully auto? It's also designed to wound, not kill, so as to cause a higher logistical problem for our enemies. Our enemies don't really care about wounded half the time. We have ammo that pisses off those hit, instead of killing them. That right there says all you need to know about our "wrath".

<clowns>

[JackWhisper]

<clowns>

Wat?

[Jarvan]

You probably think the 9mm is a shit round too.

Yes.

The 9mm is practically a "peace" round. It's also designed to wound. It has shit for real stopping power. It's only advantage to me is round capacity.

.40 or better yet .45 are way better. BUT.. for law enforcement, I can see the advantage of a round that just wounds and doesn't kill. Then again, if my life is on the line and someone is shooting at me, I don't want a round that will just wound them. I don't want them to be able to continue shooting.

I have shot .38 specials, .387, 44 mag, 9 mm, .40 and .45 acp. The 9 is fun for a target range, but I actually liked the .45 the best.

[Androidpk]

Yes.

The 9mm is practically a "peace" round. It's also designed to wound. It has shit for real stopping power. It's only advantage to me is round capacity.

.40 or better yet .45 are way better. BUT.. for law enforcement, I can see the advantage of a round that just wounds and doesn't kill. Then again, if my life is on the line and someone is shooting at me, I don't want a round that will just wound them. I don't want them to be able to continue shooting.

I have shot .38 specials, .387, 44 mag, 9 mm, .40 and .45 acp. The 9 is fun for a target range, but I actually liked the .45 the best.

Hmm, funny, because special forces prefer the 9mm. Heck MARSOC just got approved to carry Glocks because they wanted the Glock 19, which is a 9mm.

[Jarvan]

Hmm, funny, because special forces prefer the 9mm. Heck MARSOC just got approved to carry Glocks because they wanted the Glock 19, which is a 9mm.

And this means what exactly? That the 9mm is a superior killer then a .45?

When you get your head out of your ass let me know.

There are MANY reasons why the military use 9mm. First of all, 9mm is found in pretty much every country in the world. If you would have to scrounge for ammo, it's much more likely you are going to find 9mm then .45 overseas. .45 does cause more wear on a gun, and is heavier. generally, caliber is an opinion, but there really is no opinion to the fact that .45 has much more stopping power then a 9mm.

Also.. I can't find anything that says Special Forces prefer 9mm.

In active service (some branches or limited roles)

Mk 25 Mod 0 (SIG P226 Mk25, 9x19mm) (Naval Special Warfare)
M9A1 (Beretta 9x19mm) (USMC)
MEU(SOC) pistol (.45 ACP) (MEU(SOC))
Kimber ICQB (.45 ACP) (USMC MARSOC)
M45A1 (MARSOC)
SIG P229R DAK (.40 S&W) (USCG)
M1911A1 (.45 ACP) (Army, Marines, USSOCOM)
Heckler & Koch HK45C (.45 ACP) (Naval Special Warfare)
Glock 19 (9x19mm) (USASOC, DEVGRU, MARSOC, USAF)
HK P11 (Underwater Pistol) (SOCOM)

It is really nice to know though that you know what the special forces prefer.

So lets see... History Expert.... Medical Marijuana Expert.... And Handgun Expert for the Special Forces. Next thing you know, you will be advising Obama on ISIS.

[Taernath]

Wound channels! Nerve trauma! Hydrostatic shock!

The whole argument is beyond retarded. 9mm and 5.56 are fine for military use.

[Warriorbird]

Oddly this thread makes me more comfortable with my rare incidences of carrying .22LR.

[waywardgs]

It's hilarious to listen to people who've never fired a shot in anger or danger nerd out about stopping power.

[Warriorbird]

Personally my main concern is hitting what I'm aiming at.

[Androidpk]

It's hilarious to listen to people who've never fired a shot in anger or danger nerd out about stopping power.

But jarvan was in the civil air patrol! He's an expert on military matters.

[Androidpk]

And this means what exactly? That the 9mm is a superior killer then a .45?

When you get your head out of your ass let me know.

There are MANY reasons why the military use 9mm. First of all, 9mm is found in pretty much every country in the world. If you would have to scrounge for ammo, it's much more likely you are going to find 9mm then .45 overseas. .45 does cause more wear on a gun, and is heavier. generally, caliber is an opinion, but there really is no opinion to the fact that .45 has much more stopping power then a 9mm.

Also.. I can't find anything that says Special Forces prefer 9mm.

In active service (some branches or limited roles)

Mk 25 Mod 0 (SIG P226 Mk25, 9x19mm) (Naval Special Warfare)
M9A1 (Beretta 9x19mm) (USMC)
MEU(SOC) pistol (.45 ACP) (MEU(SOC))
Kimber ICQB (.45 ACP) (USMC MARSOC)
M45A1 (MARSOC)
SIG P229R DAK (.40 S&W) (USCG)
M1911A1 (.45 ACP) (Army, Marines, USSOCOM)
Heckler & Koch HK45C (.45 ACP) (Naval Special Warfare)
Glock 19 (9x19mm) (USASOC, DEVGRU, MARSOC, USAF)
HK P11 (Underwater Pistol) (SOCOM)

It is really nice to know though that you know what the special forces prefer.

So lets see... History Expert.... Medical Marijuana Expert.... And Handgun Expert for the Special Forces. Next thing you know, you will be advising Obama on ISIS.

Quoted for hilarity.

[Androidpk]

Boko Haram and ISIL joining forces apparently.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-31784538

[Androidpk]

http://i.imgur.com/SoqS6sN.jpg

[SHAFT]

Boko Haram and ISIL joining forces apparently.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-31784538

I brought this up weeks ago. I'll be expecting my gold star in the mail.

[waywardgs]

I brought this up weeks ago. I'll be expecting my gold star in the mail.

Address?

[Androidpk]

I brought this up weeks ago. I'll be expecting my gold star in the mail.

Yes you did. Sent.

[SHAFT]

Scary shit man. I feel bad for anyone in their path in that region of the world.

The governments and their militaries over there are completely fucking useless. What's the point of having a stable government and military if you aren't going to send everything after a group like isis or boko haram? We're talking 800k+ active personel between Iran and Saudi Arabia alone!

They must be waiting to be beheaded before they do anything.

[Androidpk]

Scary shit man. I feel bad for anyone in their path in that region of the world.

The governments and their militaries over there are completely fucking useless. What's the point of having a stable government and military if you aren't going to send everything after a group like isis or boko haram? We're talking 800k+ active personel between Iran and Saudi Arabia alone!

They must be waiting to be beheaded before they do anything.


I imagine it has to do with wanting to protect their own country instead of going into a neighboring country and starting shit with ISIL.

[waywardgs]

I think the Saudis are sympathetic. They funded 911 and we still kiss their asses. Its despicable.

[JackWhisper]

It's shit like this that really makes me glad I am raising my son in the USA. This is just horrible for the countries over there. =(

[Tgo01]

They're waiting for someone with balls to be elected president of the US.

Unfortunately this is what we have at the moment:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/obama-golf-free-use.jpg

[Androidpk]

I think the Saudis are sympathetic. They funded 911 and we still kiss their asses. Its despicable.

Yeah, I was about to say there are many who think the gulf states are helping to find ISIL.

[Androidpk]

They're waiting for someone with balls to be elected president of the US.


Enough Americans have been killed over there. Let those countries handle it.

[Jarvan]

I imagine it has to do with wanting to protect their own country instead of going into a neighboring country and starting shit with ISIL.

Except Iran, who is MORE then willing to invade other countries to "Help" them with ISIS.

[Jarvan]

They're waiting for someone with balls to be elected president of the US.

Unfortunately this is what we have at the moment:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/obama-golf-free-use.jpg

Was that Picture taken the day an American was Beheaded? Cause it sure looks like the kind of smile Obama would have.

"I shot 12 under par and all they talk about is a stupid beheading"

[Androidpk]

Except Iran, who is MORE then willing to invade other countries to "Help" them with ISIS.

When is the last time Iran invaded another country?

[waywardgs]

So what, you guys want another war? Because it worked out so well the first few times, right?

[JackWhisper]

So what, you guys want another war? Because it worked out so well the first few times, right?

Sometimes, despite the heavy sacrifices people made, evil must be pursued and put down. To do any less is to invite it into your homes. To infect your homeland. Just because it isn't here in the US doesn't mean other countries deserve to have it inflicted upon them.

We should help because we can and should.

Just my two cents.

[Androidpk]

So what, you guys want another war? Because it worked out so well the first few times, right?

They do.

http://i.imgur.com/r68g0.jpg

[waywardgs]

Sometimes, despite the heavy sacrifices people made, evil must be pursued and put down. To do any less is to invite it into your homes. To infect your homeland. Just because it isn't here in the US doesn't mean other countries deserve to have it inflicted upon them.

We should help because we can and should.

Just my two cents.

You're the first one on this board to have the balls to say that we should go back to war. Everyone wants a solution but isn't willing to say what that solution would entail. I think it's completely incorrect and would just cause more problems like every other time, but at least you voiced it.

That said, the only way this will be fixed in reality is for the muslim world to stand the fuck up against it. Not us. That just doesn't work. And we need to stop cuddling up with the very assholes that fund it.

[Androidpk]

Sometimes, despite the heavy sacrifices people made, evil must be pursued and put down. To do any less is to invite it into your homes. To infect your homeland. Just because it isn't here in the US doesn't mean other countries deserve to have it inflicted upon them.

We should help because we can and should.

Just my two cents.

Or we could take care of our own country first, you know, maybe start rebuilding our infrastructure instead of dumping another trillion dollars over into the middle east.

[JackWhisper]

Or we could take care of our own country first, you know, maybe start rebuilding our infrastructure instead of dumping another trillion dollars over into the middle east.

The world's issues will not wait for this country to fix itself before looking beyond it's own borders. If we did that, if we TRULY did that, half the world would be bombed, invaded, and massacred by the time we looked past our coasts.

In no way am I saying to ignore our country, but you are quite wrong if you think that other people having problems is not our problem. That's kind of like, on a way greater scale, not stepping in when you see someone beating a woman up. If they get away with it, they go to bigger and badder things, like rape, murder, and eventually bombing the US. Because nobody stopped them. A rudimentary comparison, but you see the point.

I agree, Wayward, that war causes more problems than it solves. But, as I said, sometimes you must swallow that bitter pill because the problems you cause, is a lot better than leaving the problem you solved of a country who wants to kill everyone in the world who doesn't agree with them.

This country is something special because we fight for people. We try for people. Not everyone is a Wrathbringer. We have the capability to help manage conflicts and keep people alive. We should.

[Androidpk]

The world's issues will not wait for this country to fix itself before looking beyond it's own borders. If we did that, if we TRULY did that, half the world would be bombed, invaded, and massacred by the time we looked past our coasts.

In no way am I saying to ignore our country, but you are quite wrong if you think that other people having problems is not our problem. That's kind of like, on a way greater scale, not stepping in when you see someone beating a woman up. If they get away with it, they go to bigger and badder things, like rape, murder, and eventually bombing the US. Because nobody stopped them. A rudimentary comparison, but you see the point.

I agree, Wayward, that war causes more problems than it solves. But, as I said, sometimes you must swallow that bitter pill because the problems you cause, is a lot better than leaving the problem you solved of a country who wants to kill everyone in the world who doesn't agree with them.

This country is something special because we fight for people. We try for people. Not everyone is a Wrathbringer. We have the capability to help manage conflicts and keep people alive. We should.

You actually think Iraq is in better shape now? :lol:

And who is going to pay for this fruitless endeavor? Are we to borrow even more money from China? We need to get our own house in order before traipsing off on another military adventure.

[Tgo01]

So what, you guys want another war? Because it worked out so well the first few times, right?

I don't want another war but sometimes war is necessary.


And who is going to pay for this fruitless endeavor? Are we to borrow even more money from China?

We don't borrow money from China; China invests in the US.

[waywardgs]

I don't want another war but sometimes war is necessary.


They say that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

[Androidpk]

I don't want another war but sometimes war is necessary.



We don't borrow money from China; China invests in the US.


The militaries in that region have the capability of stopping ISIL. We don't need American soldiers there fighting another ground war.

[Tgo01]

They say that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

They also say "the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."


The militaries in that region have the capability of stopping ISIL.

I have seen zero evidence of this.

[JackWhisper]

The militaries in that region have the capability of stopping ISIL. We don't need American soldiers there fighting another ground war.

Nobody is saying there's not ample military. The problem is that the governments will not go up against them. Thus, all that military is useless if not employed against such a threat.

[JackWhisper]

They say that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Edison

How many times did he fail to create a light bulb?

[Androidpk]

Nobody is saying there's not ample military. The problem is that the governments will not go up against them. Thus, all that military is useless if not employed against such a threat.

And that is on them. Did the last Iraq war make the world any safer?

[waywardgs]

They also say "the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."



I have seen zero evidence of this.

But that's just it. I'm not suggesting we do nothing. I'm just suggesting we do something different. Because what we have been doing hasn't been working.

[Jarvan]

When is the last time Iran invaded another country?

Iranian troops are currently fighting in Syria and Iraq.

Are you still under the delusion they are going to leave?

Why exactly is it you think the best of Iran.. and the worst of Benjamin Netanyahu and Israel?

[waywardgs]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Edison

How many times did he fail to create a light bulb?

And each time he DID SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

[JackWhisper]

And each time he DID SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

But his goal remained the same. There are countless ways to conduct a war. Took us a long time, but we got Bin Laden through improved tactics. Nobody is suggesting we wall fodder our troops.

[waywardgs]

Iranian troops are currently fighting in Syria and Iraq.

Are you still under the delusion they are going to leave?

Why exactly is it you think the best of Iran.. and the worst of Benjamin Netanyahu and Israel?

Netanyahu is old guard, old mentality. Netanyahu =! Israel.

[Tgo01]

Did the last Iraq war make the world any safer?

Do you see Saddam around anymore?


But that's just it. I'm not suggesting we do nothing. I'm just suggesting we do something different. Because what we have been doing hasn't been working.

I don't necessarily think war is the answer either but we obviously must do something more and war shouldn't be 100% off the table because you're right, Obama's plan thus far has amounted to shit.


And each time he DID SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

We can conduct warfare in different ways. We're the US of A!

[waywardgs]

But his goal remained the same. There are countless ways to conduct a war. Took us a long time, but we got Bin Laden through improved tactics. Nobody is suggesting we wall fodder our troops.

Did he achieve that goal by repeating exactly his first failure hundreds of times?

[Androidpk]

Iranian troops are currently fighting in Syria and Iraq.

Are you still under the delusion they are going to leave?

Why exactly is it you think the best of Iran.. and the worst of Benjamin Netanyahu and Israel?

Uhh.. having troops in another country doesn't mean invasion. Iran has troops in those countries at the behest of Iraq and Syria. And as mentioned above Netanyahu =! Israel.

[Jarvan]

But that's just it. I'm not suggesting we do nothing. I'm just suggesting we do something different. Because what we have been doing hasn't been working.

Yeah.. you and PK's "Different" is to hand the middle east over to Iran.

You know.. those WONDERFUL people that LOVE killing us, and want to obliterate Israel. The people our president so DESPERATELY wants to negotiate with.

How many US troops did Iranian militants, weapons, and training kill in Iraq? You know.. while we were slaughtering their people in Iran.. oh.. wait.. we were not in Iran, we were helping the Iraqi people gain freedom and independence.

Also.. I have said before that we have to send in troops to end the ISIS threat and prevent a middle east dominated by Iran.

Does ANYONE here honestly want Iran to control Iraq and Syria? Well.. maybe PK.

[Androidpk]

Do you see Saddam around anymore?


So you're saying Iraq is better off now that the country is fractured and in total disarray?

[Jarvan]

Uhh.. having troops in another country doesn't mean invasion. Iran has troops in those countries at the behest of Iraq and Syria. And as mentioned above Netanyahu =! Israel.

Yep.. you are still under the delusion that Iran is doing all this just to help out.

I got to wonder.. are you part of the Iranian National Guard? because only those people are that brainwashed.

[Thondalar]

Yep.. you are still under the delusion that Iran is doing all this just to help out.

I got to wonder.. are you part of the Iranian National Guard? because only those people are that brainwashed.

I dunno man, a lot of people are that brainwashed. I think my favorite, though, is Code Pink holding protests against Israel and for Palestine, when Jewish women are given more equal rights than in pretty much any other society, and Muslim women are like the shining example of oppression.