And here I was being worried about the Patriot Act....

[Thondalar]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/meet-executive-order-12333-the-reagan-rule-that-lets-the-nsa-spy-on-americans/2014/07/18/93d2ac22-0b93-11e4-b8e5-d0de80767fc2_story.html

Pretty incredible. I'm glad there are still people in government loyal to the Constitution that are willing to come forward with stuff like this.

[Gelston]

Wikipedia has had an article on this for some time. You can go read it at archives.gov.

[Latrinsorm]

An unarmed American citizen is shot dead in the streets of Ferguson.
Thondalar's response: "I don't understand why we even have a system of law anymore, when the court of public opinion settles these cases almost immediately."

American citizens might have their telephone conversations recorded under an executive order, although the author "do[es] not know the details of those procedures" that safeguard our civil liberties with regards to that recording.
Thondalar's response: "Pretty incredible. I'm glad there are still people in government loyal to the Constitution that are willing to come forward with stuff like this."

Shadowy boogeyman and vast conspiracies are romantic, and I understand the appeal. But you don't have to look that hard. If you want a government overreach to rail against, how about the ones that kill people? Why is it so important for you to consider yourself an outsider, one who goes against the masses? I can assure you that you are not.

[Thondalar]

An unarmed American citizen is shot dead in the streets of Ferguson.
Thondalar's response: "I don't understand why we even have a system of law anymore, when the court of public opinion settles these cases almost immediately."

American citizens might have their telephone conversations recorded under an executive order, although the author "do[es] not know the details of those procedures" that safeguard our civil liberties with regards to that recording.
Thondalar's response: "Pretty incredible. I'm glad there are still people in government loyal to the Constitution that are willing to come forward with stuff like this."

Shadowy boogeyman and vast conspiracies are romantic, and I understand the appeal. But you don't have to look that hard. If you want a government overreach to rail against, how about the ones that kill people? Why is it so important for you to consider yourself an outsider, one who goes against the masses? I can assure you that you are not.

Lol.

[Latrinsorm]

Lol.Hey, llama. Hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know?

[ClydeR]

Thondalar, you should look into this site http://www.monticello.org/site/jefferson/tyranny-defined-which-legal-government-quotation

People these days attribute all sorts of quotations to the Founding Fathers. Often those quotations, like the one in your avatar, are made up to support a particular point of view. People assume it's an accurate quotation because it's on the internets, since most stuff on the internet is totally reliable.

On the other hand, nobody can prove Jefferson didn't say it. It's not like somebody followed him around all day writing down his every word.

[~Rocktar~]

Jefferson would have invented the internet if Al Gore hadn't stolen the idea from him.

[AnticorRifling]

Hey, llama. Hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know?

"Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness."

[Thondalar]

Thondalar, you should look into this site http://www.monticello.org/site/jefferson/tyranny-defined-which-legal-government-quotation

People these days attribute all sorts of quotations to the Founding Fathers. Often those quotations, like the one in your avatar, are made up to support a particular point of view. People assume it's an accurate quotation because it's on the internets, since most stuff on the internet is totally reliable.

On the other hand, nobody can prove Jefferson didn't say it. It's not like somebody followed him around all day writing down his every word.

I don't care if Jerry Lee Lewis said it. It's true.

[Thondalar]

Hey, llama. Hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know?

Societies exist under three forms sufficiently distinguishable. 1. Without government, as among our Indians. 2. Under governments wherein the will of every one has a just influence, as is the case in England in a slight degree, and in our states in a great one. 3. Under governments of force: as is the case in all other monarchies and in most of the other republics. To have an idea of the curse of existence under these last, they must be seen. It is a government of wolves over sheep. It is a problem, not clear in my mind, that the 1st. condition is not the best. But I believe it to be inconsistent with any great degree of population. The second state has a great deal of good in it. The mass of mankind under that enjoys a precious degree of liberty and happiness. It has it's evils too: the principal of which is the turbulence to which it is subject. But weigh this against the oppressions of monarchy, and it becomes nothing. Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem. Even this evil is productive of good. It prevents the degeneracy of government, and nourishes a general attention to the public affairs.

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Thondalar, you should look into this site http://www.monticello.org/site/jefferson/tyranny-defined-which-legal-government-quotation

People these days attribute all sorts of quotations to the Founding Fathers. Often those quotations, like the one in your avatar, are made up to support a particular point of view. People assume it's an accurate quotation because it's on the internets, since most stuff on the internet is totally reliable.

On the other hand, nobody can prove Jefferson didn't say it. It's not like somebody followed him around all day writing down his every word.

LOL

[Latrinsorm]

It's not like somebody followed him around all day writing down his every word.And even if they did, they were probably a slave. Who wants to listen to some slave owner?
Societies exist under three forms sufficiently distinguishable. 1. Without government, as among our Indians. 2. Under governments wherein the will of every one has a just influence, as is the case in England in a slight degree, and in our states in a great one. 3. Under governments of force: as is the case in all other monarchies and in most of the other republics. To have an idea of the curse of existence under these last, they must be seen. It is a government of wolves over sheep. It is a problem, not clear in my mind, that the 1st. condition is not the best. But I believe it to be inconsistent with any great degree of population. The second state has a great deal of good in it. The mass of mankind under that enjoys a precious degree of liberty and happiness. It has it's evils too: the principal of which is the turbulence to which it is subject. But weigh this against the oppressions of monarchy, and it becomes nothing. Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem. Even this evil is productive of good. It prevents the degeneracy of government, and nourishes a general attention to the public affairs.Are you seriously coming at me with a second-hand, poorly proofread, false trichotomy? You couldn't even do me the courtesy of quoting a halfway cogent philosopher like Nietzsche on the alleged necessity of destruction for creation? Anyway, I assume the point you're making is that the shooting unarmed citizens counts as productive turbulence and the NSA reading your texts is a wolfo-monarchical oppression. If I may offer you a new quote for your avatar:

"Tyranny is defined as me having freedoms impinged to the slightest degree. Freedom is defined as you getting shot in the head falling into an open sewer and dying."

It's a little longer, but I think about as long as the bald guy you had before, so you can make it work.

[Thondalar]

Are you seriously coming at me with a second-hand, poorly proofread, false trichotomy? You couldn't even do me the courtesy of quoting a halfway cogent philosopher like Nietzsche on the alleged necessity of destruction for creation?

That was a direct quote from Thomas Jefferson, from the site that Clyde linked...it didn't really have anything to do with your other post. I already responded to that one.


If I may offer you a new quote for your avatar:

"Tyranny is defined as me having freedoms impinged to the slightest degree. Freedom is defined as you getting shot in the head falling into an open sewer and dying."

It's a little longer, but I think about as long as the bald guy you had before, so you can make it work.

lol.

[Latrinsorm]

That was a direct quote from Thomas Jefferson, from the site that Clyde linked...it didn't really have anything to do with your other post. I already responded to that one.I figured it was from Jefferson, hence the dig on cogency.
lol.Speaking of...

[Back]

And Thondalar asks, no, accuses me of not knowing what my sig means?

Check yourself, bro.

[Warriorbird]

The notion that Native Americans had no government is quite incorrect.

[Gelston]

The notion that Native Americans had no government is quite incorrect.

Those godless heathens were a bunch of savages that were saved by the Europeans.