Obama's selective memory

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Ok, first off - I don't actually disagree with us drawing down/out of Iraq. It was actions later (or more specifically, lack of action) that led us to where we are now.

But this clip of Obama saying leaving Iraq wasn't his idea, infuriates me. He RAN on it. How can we trust the POTUS when he does not remember what he did two years ago? FFS, if he'd simply own up to his decisions, my respect for him (virtually nil at this point) would go up tremendously. I mentally align him with habitual liars now - can you trust anything he says?

Those of you who voted for him - what are your thoughts about it? I know someone will say "all politicians lie", which is true enough. He's actually saying one of his campaign promises, which he ran for a second term on, wasn't his idea... how can anyone seriously not see that for a blatant lie?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wS6FOf9M0q0

Whatever happened to having elected officials who you could respect and admire? I honestly wonder if it's always been this way, and the information age just highlights it, or we actually had people of more character in the past.

[Tgo01]

In another thread I found a quote of him saying something like "I say what I mean. I said I would end the war in Iraq and I ended it." Now it's all out of his hands.

I used to kind of shake my head when I saw people saying they missed Bush but sheesh, I'm starting to see what people mean..

We were fighting a war in Afghanistan and Iraq? Okay, war suck, don't get me wrong.

But at least shit like this wasn't the norm in Iraq:

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2014/06/ISIS-Salahaddin-Division-WC-10-thumb-560x317-3193.jpg

There was no crisis in Libya or Syria. Russia wasn't annexing entire swathes of countries left and right and pouring troops across their borders.

The world really is a mess at the moment and our president spends all of his time golfing and the only thing that really seems to have gotten his attention lately is the Michael Brown shooting.

[Androidpk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-2CHloVHmA

[Androidpk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGAdrQ2RpdM

[Tgo01]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-2CHloVHmA

Come on Androidpk, those videos are like, almost 1.5 months apart. Everyone knows red lines have an expiration date of 20 days.

[Androidpk]

If you draw the red lines with transparent blue ink they last a lot longer.

[Johnny Five]

It's okay guys, he's black.

[Tgo01]

It's okay guys, he's black.

Ohhhh yeah.

I withdraw my complaints.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I actually don't think the "if you want to keep your doctor you can" statement was his fault. I'm fairly sure when the ACA was being written that was the intention, and no one thought about all the downstream implications. That happens everyday. Unintended consequences and all that.

The Syria red line was either he lacked conviction in the end, or was advised against it after he said it. My issue with his statement is that he never came out and said something that would explain why he didn't do anything. Maybe there was a political reason for not doing it, I don't know, but again I think he'd be a better leader had he said something like "I know I told Syria I was going to do something, but since then some other things have come up, and it wouldn't be in our best interests to do that now."

People say things everyday that have something inaccurate in it, and the President get's analyzed more than anyone. Is it political suicide to say oops, I made a mistake, or in retrospect have changed my mind? Obama's opinion on gay marriage "evolved"... no one is infallible. Just freaking be honest most of the time...

[Methais]

Reporting this thread for racism.

[Johnny Five]

Reporting this thread for racism.
HAHA And here's BACK!!!!

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[Latrinsorm]

Whatever happened to having elected officials who you could respect and admire? I honestly wonder if it's always been this way, and the information age just highlights it, or we actually had people of more character in the past.Consider the case of John Adams and Thomas Jefferson. The opposition party at the time (led by Teej) insisted that the federal government had overstepped its bounds, that its spending was out of control, that a terrifying foreign phenomenon was soon to take hold in our fair nation, and in some cases openly threatened martial rebellion. The divisiveness was so severe that the ruling party (led by Adams) passed the Sedition Act, making it illegal to criticize the federal government. "Nice freedom of speech, I think I'll take it." he was reported to remark.

Jefferson was outraged. Outraged! He hammered the Federalists on this blatant infringement of the Constitution in campaign season and crushed Adams with 61% of the popular vote. (For reference, Reagan was re-elected in a landslide with 59%.) He then promptly prosecuted people under the Sedition Act. "Nice freedom of speech, I think I'll take it." he was reported to remark.
Those of you who voted for him - what are your thoughts about it? I know someone will say "all politicians lie", which is true enough. He's actually saying one of his campaign promises, which he ran for a second term on, wasn't his idea... how can anyone seriously not see that for a blatant lie?Ending the war is not the same thing as withdrawing all troops. Look at Germany and Japan, we've had troops there for 70 years after the war ended. Thus "I promised to end the war" does not mean "I promised to withdraw all troops". It's possible he also said the latter, but the creators of this video clearly spent a lot of time going through old clips and they didn't find any. Also please note how the 2014 clip is a question if he has any regrets about withdrawing troops, NOT about ending the war.

You can say this is a semantic distinction, but if that's so why wasn't the question about ending the war? Why didn't they find any clips saying "I promised to withdraw all troops"?

[Gelston]

Consider the case of John Adams and Thomas Jefferson. The opposition party at the time (led by Teej) insisted that the federal government had overstepped its bounds, that its spending was out of control, that a terrifying foreign phenomenon was soon to take hold in our fair nation, and in some cases openly threatened martial rebellion. The divisiveness was so severe that the ruling party (led by Adams) passed the Sedition Act, making it illegal to criticize the federal government. "Nice freedom of speech, I think I'll take it." he was reported to remark.

Jefferson was outraged. Outraged! He hammered the Federalists on this blatant infringement of the Constitution in campaign season and crushed Adams with 61% of the popular vote. (For reference, Reagan was re-elected in a landslide with 59%.) He then promptly prosecuted people under the Sedition Act. "Nice freedom of speech, I think I'll take it." he was reported to remark.Ending the war is not the same thing as withdrawing all troops. Look at Germany and Japan, we've had troops there for 70 years after the war ended. Thus "I promised to end the war" does not mean "I promised to withdraw all troops". It's possible he also said the latter, but the creators of this video clearly spent a lot of time going through old clips and they didn't find any. Also please note how the 2014 clip is a question if he has any regrets about withdrawing troops, NOT about ending the war.

You can say this is a semantic distinction, but if that's so why wasn't the question about ending the war? Why didn't they find any clips saying "I promised to withdraw all troops"?

Shut up Latrin. You are going at semantics and you know damn well what was meant.

[Methais]

Shut up Latrin. You are going at semantics and you know damn well what was meant.

Yeah, shut up Latrin.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Good points regards to historical politicians. I imagine politicians today are likely not much worse, if at all, than politicians of old. I do think the immediacy and permanence of everything today just highlights these things more.

So far as was it end the war or withdraw the troops, I do think it is semantics. I do not think if Obama went to the rose garden today and said I ended the war but it wasn't my decision to withdraw the troops, it'd be just as stupid as Republicans bickering over if Obama called it a terrorist attack in Benghazi or not.

I'd just like to see him sack up and admit the things he's done. I know it's easy to Monday morning quarterback things, but we spend too much time talking about things that really don't matter, instead of moving forward to a different (and hopefully better) plan. If everything worked the way it was supposed too we'd all have low cost health insurance, have surplus budget at the government, etc. etc. etc. What matters now (in my opinion) is admitting we can do something better, and then trying to do it better. Not trying to figure out who to blame.

My assumption of course is that everyone, regardless of their opinion, is doing what they believe is in the best interests of the United States. My caveat to the last sentence above is for those to do things for personal gain or malicious intent (like the IRS targeting non-profits or the VA employees altering records for personal gain).

Things like Fast and Furious, to me, is a bad idea which should have lead to better program design/management, instead of it being a scandal, it should be a tool to create better programs. I know it's terrible someone died, I'm just saying it's not like whoever thought of the program believed that would be the result - certainly they thought there would be something good coming out of it.

I feel very depressed for the future of our country, because I honestly do not see anything changing at all in the future. It doesn't matter what party you belong too, or how far right or left you lean, the whole system is so corrupt I cannot picture a situation where it will ever get better.

That is what scares me the most about the US - I cannot picture a better future with our current political system. It probably won't affect me in my lifetime, but short of a radical change to how things are done I don't see great strides being made in education, immigration, healthcare, taxes, or any other hot topic. Can any of you?

[Latrinsorm]

Shut up Latrin. You are going at semantics and you know damn well what was meant.
So far as was it end the war or withdraw the troops, I do think it is semantics. I do not think if Obama went to the rose garden today and said I ended the war but it wasn't my decision to withdraw the troops, it'd be just as stupid as Republicans bickering over if Obama called it a terrorist attack in Benghazi or not.I think the best way I can put it is this: we left hundreds of thousands of troops in Germany for decades after 1945 (and it was peaceful, not rocket science huh?) but we would nevertheless agree that World War II ended in 1945. The one is just not equal to the other.

As Gelly says I do know quite well that certain people (FOX!!!) want to conflate the two, even when they can't find primary source clips to do so. Why can't they find a clip of President Obama saying he promised to withdraw all troops? If they're the same, where are the clips?
That is what scares me the most about the US - I cannot picture a better future with our current political system. It probably won't affect me in my lifetime, but short of a radical change to how things are done I don't see great strides being made in education, immigration, healthcare, taxes, or any other hot topic. Can any of you?I'm sure it looked bleak for civil rights activists in the early 60s too, abolitionists before that, and so on. Heck, just look at how gay rights have advanced in the past five years. The government often seems intractable but things have changed really dramatically in every topic you mention. Our tax system bears absolutely no resemblance to the tax system of the 50s, the Republican controlled Senate under Reagan passed a law granting amnesty to illegal aliens, Obamacare was unimaginable even fifteen years ago. There's always hope! :)

[Gelston]

I think the best way I can put it is this: we left hundreds of thousands of troops in Germany for decades after 1945 (and it was peaceful, not rocket science huh?) but we would nevertheless agree that World War II ended in 1945. The one is just not equal to the other.

As Gelly says I do know quite well that certain people (FOX!!!) want to conflate the two, even when they can't find primary source clips to do so. Why can't they find a clip of President Obama saying he promised to withdraw all troops? If they're the same, where are the clips?I'm sure it looked bleak for civil rights activists in the early 60s too, abolitionists before that, and so on. Heck, just look at how gay rights have advanced in the past five years. The government often seems intractable but things have changed really dramatically in every topic you mention. Our tax system bears absolutely no resemblance to the tax system of the 50s, the Republican controlled Senate under Reagan passed a law granting amnesty to illegal aliens, Obamacare was unimaginable even fifteen years ago. There's always hope! :)

Shut up Latrin. You are going at semantics and you know damn well what was meant.

[Wrathbringer]

Ok, first off - I don't actually disagree with us drawing down/out of Iraq. It was actions later (or more specifically, lack of action) that led us to where we are now.

But this clip of Obama saying leaving Iraq wasn't his idea, infuriates me. He RAN on it. How can we trust the POTUS when he does not remember what he did two years ago? FFS, if he'd simply own up to his decisions, my respect for him (virtually nil at this point) would go up tremendously. I mentally align him with habitual liars now - can you trust anything he says?

Those of you who voted for him - what are your thoughts about it? I know someone will say "all politicians lie", which is true enough. He's actually saying one of his campaign promises, which he ran for a second term on, wasn't his idea... how can anyone seriously not see that for a blatant lie?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wS6FOf9M0q0

Whatever happened to having elected officials who you could respect and admire? I honestly wonder if it's always been this way, and the information age just highlights it, or we actually had people of more character in the past.

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[Parkbandit]

I actually don't think the "if you want to keep your doctor you can" statement was his fault. I'm fairly sure when the ACA was being written that was the intention, and no one thought about all the downstream implications. That happens everyday. Unintended consequences and all that.


I completely disagree. There were many Republicans that were saying this would be the result if this bill became law. This quote was a direct response to critics that said that there will be many, many instances where keeping your doctor will be impossible with the way the law was written. This was his way of getting ahead of that fact.. and marginalizing the opposition until the law was passed and then "oops", my bad... but by that time "oops" didn't really cost him anything.

It was a strategic lie and he knew it.

[Methais]

Shut up Latrin. You are going at semantics and you know damn well what was meant.

Yeah, shut up Latrin.

[Johnny Five]

Shut up Latrin. You are going at semantics and you know damn well what was meant.


Yeah, shut up Latrin.

Yeah, shut up Latrine.

[Thondalar]

Yeah, shut up Latrine.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt3gcSyL5vg

[Methais]

Yeah, shut up Latrine.

We sure told him!

http://24.media.tumblr.com/16e7401cdeb42ff555c52ba808be2cbb/tumblr_n09qy0uwMJ1t1xc0so1_400.gif

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I think the best way I can put it is this: we left hundreds of thousands of troops in Germany for decades after 1945 (and it was peaceful, not rocket science huh?) but we would nevertheless agree that World War II ended in 1945. The one is just not equal to the other.

We left forces in Germany, Japan, Korea, Libya and others following WWII. They weren't exactly peaceful, and the reason we stayed in each of them changed over the years. We stayed in Germany, Japan and later Korea to not only stabilize the governments but also to help combat threats of communism from the Soviet Union and later China. Do you forget East Germany was soviet held until 1991? We left Libya in 1970-1971 and had stayed there mostly because of first the Soviet Union, and then later because of the oil and our relationship with the King. Only after Gaddafi overthrew him did we leave, but we'd already agreed to leave in 1970 with the then king because it was less and less a strategic place to stay.

My point to all of that is we had reasons to stay in those formerly adversarial places, just as we had reason to stay in Iraq. If you believe the president didn't have something to do with the troop draw down and ultimate removal, you crazy Willis.

[Thondalar]

I think the best way I can put it is this: we left hundreds of thousands of troops in Germany for decades after 1945 (and it was peaceful, not rocket science huh?) but we would nevertheless agree that World War II ended in 1945.

Er...we didn't officially end our state of war with Germany until October of 1951...not to mention Germany didn't become a full sovereign until 1991.


edit: Not surprising to me that the world was a little more harsh on Germany this time. I mean, they assumed a simple treaty after WW1 would be sufficient to keep Germany in check, but that obviously wasn't the case.

[Latrinsorm]

We sure told him!

http://24.media.tumblr.com/16e7401cdeb42ff555c52ba808be2cbb/tumblr_n09qy0uwMJ1t1xc0so1_400.gifSomehow I think of you guys more this way:

http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/photo_large/public/photo/image/2009/09/11678526.jpg
Er...we didn't officially end our state of war with Germany until October of 1951...not to mention Germany didn't become a full sovereign until 1991.1951, if you like. Or heck, 1991 if you like. We still have an enormous troop presence with no war.
My point to all of that is we had reasons to stay in those formerly adversarial places, just as we had reason to stay in Iraq. If you believe the president didn't have something to do with the troop draw down and ultimate removal, you crazy Willis.Certainly with the draw down, it would have been by far and away our highest current peacetime deployment otherwise. But I know he resisted the ultimate removal as it happened, because my brothers and sisters in the Republican Party vigorously criticized him for trying and failing to reach a deal that would have prevented it.

You could certainly say that it is Obama's fault that all troops were withdrawn, but to say that it was his intent (and that he is therefore lying now) is an empirically unsustainable accusation.

[Thondalar]

1951, if you like. Or heck, 1991 if you like. We still have an enormous troop presence with no war.

Well, technically we did still have war until 1951. At this time only the 1st Infantry Division, another infantry regiment, and 10 cavalry regiments remained in Europe...quite the draw-down from the 1.9 million there in 1945. I'm sure you're also aware that we de-industrialized Germany, and didn't allow them to have a standing army of any kind. With the soviets right next door (literally), we couldn't very well just leave completely.

Trying to compare the US occupation of Germany after WWII to the US occupation of Iraq is utterly ridiculous, but it's not at all surprising coming from you. The circumstances are entirely different, but all you see is "Troops here after war ends."

One day you'll realize that all of your numbers are meaningless without understanding what's behind them. I have faith in you.

[Methais]

Somehow I think of you guys more this way:

http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/photo_large/public/photo/image/2009/09/11678526.jpg

And we think of you like:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-dRTmIu_FIyI/TujU9oFFqLI/AAAAAAAAG6E/SOU-25CC54I/s400/goldust.JPG

[Johnny Five]

And we think of you like:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-dRTmIu_FIyI/TujU9oFFqLI/AAAAAAAAG6E/SOU-25CC54I/s400/goldust.JPG'

I lul'd.

[Latrinsorm]

Well, technically we did still have war until 1951. At this time only the 1st Infantry Division, another infantry regiment, and 10 cavalry regiments remained in Europe...quite the draw-down from the 1.9 million there in 1945. I'm sure you're also aware that we de-industrialized Germany, and didn't allow them to have a standing army of any kind. With the soviets right next door (literally), we couldn't very well just leave completely.

Trying to compare the US occupation of Germany after WWII to the US occupation of Iraq is utterly ridiculous, but it's not at all surprising coming from you. The circumstances are entirely different, but all you see is "Troops here after war ends."

One day you'll realize that all of your numbers are meaningless without understanding what's behind them. I have faith in you.If I understand you correctly, the fact that the United States kept troops in every single country after the relevant war ended is "meaningless" because it prevents you from criticizing someone you dislike. I'll stick with "numbers", thanks. :)
And we think of you like:At least I can pull off Shattered Dreams. Let's see you jump turnbuckle to turnbuckle, buddy!! And count the rings... I mean belts... 9 Hardcore, 3 Internat'l, 2 US, 5 Tag Team. What you got to say now? HOOOO (you know the creepy inhaley noise he did)

[Methais]

What you got to say now?


http://youtu.be/t8NX-HxX-A0

Fun fact: The main line in that clip is my sound string for when my warrior triggers Berserk.

[ClydeR]

That Democrat in the Fox interview didn't have a clue what Obama was talking about. As far as I can tell, neither does anybody who has posted in this thread. Can't you remember what happened just three years ago? Were you hit in the head by a flying shoe? Need I conjure the memory for you?

Picture it..

No, I'm not going to do it. Revel in your self-assured collective amnesia. I have more important matters to consider, like NFL team names.

[Thondalar]

If I understand you correctly, the fact that the United States kept troops in every single country after the relevant war ended is "meaningless" because it prevents you from criticizing someone you dislike.

You don't at all understand me correctly. You don't understand anything correctly. Who do I dislike that this is keeping me from criticizing? I've already criticized our "role" in International baby-sitting...I am a Libertarian, after all.


Edit: Personally, I think it's quite amazing that we do what we do after war...attempt to stabilize the region, help locals rebuild, try to get their economy moving again...of course it's to our benefit, so what? At the end of WW2 we very well could have taken full sovereignty of Japan, Korea, parts of China, Germany, France, Belgium, Italy, Austria, Poland (the list here is really quite long, especially if you include the African territories)...with Russia's activity immediately after WW2 we probably would have got away with it, too. But we didn't. Instead we spent billions of dollars (and they were worth a lot more back then) trying to fix the mess that Germany and Italy made. I think that's an astounding testament to our Country.

[Latrinsorm]

You don't at all understand me correctly. You don't understand anything correctly. Who do I dislike that this is keeping me from criticizing? I've already criticized our "role" in International baby-sitting...I am a Libertarian, after all.


Edit: Personally, I think it's quite amazing that we do what we do after war...attempt to stabilize the region, help locals rebuild, try to get their economy moving again...of course it's to our benefit, so what? At the end of WW2 we very well could have taken full sovereignty of Japan, Korea, parts of China, Germany, France, Belgium, Italy, Austria, Poland (the list here is really quite long, especially if you include the African territories)...with Russia's activity immediately after WW2 we probably would have got away with it, too. But we didn't. Instead we spent billions of dollars (and they were worth a lot more back then) trying to fix the mess that Germany and Italy made. I think that's an astounding testament to our Country.I'm strongly for keeping troops in a country after a war ends too. What I don't understand is how those two suddenly became the same thing when it became convenient for criticism of President Obama and/or myself.

[Thondalar]

I'm strongly for keeping troops in a country after a war ends too. What I don't understand is how those two suddenly became the same thing when it became convenient for criticism of President Obama and/or myself.

What does this have to do with Obama being a slimy, spineless weasel that simply refuses to take responsibility for anything he does? Last time I checked, the OP was upset about the fact that one of Obama's campaign promises was ending the war in Iraq and bringing the troops home, but then when he's lambasted for the current situation in the region, he claims it wasn't his call to bring the troops home. That's typical Obama, and something I can totally criticize, with or without your permission.

All we want is for the guy to stick to his guns, just once. Stand up and be a man. If something fails, own it and fix it. Is that too much to ask of your Commander-in-Chief?

[Latrinsorm]

What does this have to do with Obama being a slimy, spineless weasel that simply refuses to take responsibility for anything he does? Last time I checked, the OP was upset about the fact that one of Obama's campaign promises was ending the war in Iraq and bringing the troops home, but then when he's lambasted for the current situation in the region, he claims it wasn't his call to bring the troops home. That's typical Obama, and something I can totally criticize, with or without your permission.

All we want is for the guy to stick to his guns, just once. Stand up and be a man. If something fails, own it and fix it. Is that too much to ask of your Commander-in-Chief?It's hard to believe you can glide by the bolded statement, given that it is the specific point of contention throughout this thread. The video makers found (many) statements of Obama taking credit for ending the war, period. They couldn't find a single statement where he took credit for bringing the troops home, but merely a couple acknowledgments that there were no longer troops in Iraq. They assumed (correctly) their target audience would make the leap between the two, and you have fallen so guilelessly in step that you don't even realize you're making it.

Taking credit for isn't the same as promising, so let's see if you can do any better backing up your "fact" than the video makers did. Let's see you produce a quote from Obama promising that zero American troops would remain in Iraq, and let me save you some time: not zero bases, not zero combat troops, not zero combat brigades, not "I hope", not "best case scenario".

"I promise zero troops.", that's your mission should you choose to accept it. We both know you won't, you'll find some excuse that keeps you from having to do any research or re-thinking of your position. Too bad.

[Thondalar]

It's hard to believe you can glide by the bolded statement, given that it is the specific point of contention throughout this thread. The video makers found (many) statements of Obama taking credit for ending the war, period. They couldn't find a single statement where he took credit for bringing the troops home, but merely a couple acknowledgments that there were no longer troops in Iraq. They assumed (correctly) their target audience would make the leap between the two, and you have fallen so guilelessly in step that you don't even realize you're making it.

Taking credit for isn't the same as promising, so let's see if you can do any better backing up your "fact" than the video makers did. Let's see you produce a quote from Obama promising that zero American troops would remain in Iraq, and let me save you some time: not zero bases, not zero combat troops, not zero combat brigades, not "I hope", not "best case scenario".

"I promise zero troops.", that's your mission should you choose to accept it. We both know you won't, you'll find some excuse that keeps you from having to do any research or re-thinking of your position. Too bad.

You can't be serious. The leap between the two? Wow. Just wow.

[Latrinsorm]

That's a pretty tired excuse. C-. You can do better.

[Methais]

It's hard to believe you can glide by the bolded statement, given that it is the specific point of contention throughout this thread. The video makers found (many) statements of Obama taking credit for ending the war, period. They couldn't find a single statement where he took credit for bringing the troops home, but merely a couple acknowledgments that there were no longer troops in Iraq. They assumed (correctly) their target audience would make the leap between the two, and you have fallen so guilelessly in step that you don't even realize you're making it.

Taking credit for isn't the same as promising, so let's see if you can do any better backing up your "fact" than the video makers did. Let's see you produce a quote from Obama promising that zero American troops would remain in Iraq, and let me save you some time: not zero bases, not zero combat troops, not zero combat brigades, not "I hope", not "best case scenario".

"I promise zero troops.", that's your mission should you choose to accept it. We both know you won't, you'll find some excuse that keeps you from having to do any research or re-thinking of your position. Too bad.

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[Wrathbringer]

http://i.imgur.com/9UHzuNi.gif

:lol:

[Latrinsorm]

I won't apologize for having great nails and a KITT mouse. I will apologize for having thought this was America.

[Back]

http://i.imgur.com/9UHzuNi.gif

That's what people do when they don"t want to hear what they don't want to hear.

[Stretch]

I still can't believe no one is talking about his insidious plan to look whiter.

http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/d164ed6f9caf2a6c7e3ca148da64733d86c8576f/c=769-444-4386-3164&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/KSDK/KSDK/2014/08/28/1409263601000-454299160.jpg

[Warriorbird]

I still can't believe no one is talking about his insidious plan to look whiter.

http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/d164ed6f9caf2a6c7e3ca148da64733d86c8576f/c=769-444-4386-3164&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/KSDK/KSDK/2014/08/28/1409263601000-454299160.jpg

Dressing worse is clutch.

[Androidpk]

Did he borrow that from Harry Reid?

[Warriorbird]

Did he borrow that from Harry Reid?

Prince Charles. Close enough!

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02975/charles_2975884c.jpg

[Androidpk]

It could be worse.

http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120206131544/villains/images/thumb/8/8e/Kim_Jong-il_Team_America_World_Police.jpg/600px-Kim_Jong-il_Team_America_World_Police.jpg

[Methais]

That's what people do when they don"t want to hear what they don't want to hear.

It's what happens when after many times of reading multiple paragraphs of stuff, you realize you haven't read anything at all.

Kind of like how a normal person feels after listening to an Obama speech.

[Gelston]

Dressing worse is clutch.

Is it bad that when I saw that press conference I thought more about his clothes then his speech?

[Parkbandit]

Is it bad that when I saw that press conference I thought more about his clothes then his speech?

His suit had more substance.

At least he had a strategy for what he was going to wear..

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

His suit had more substance.

At least he had a strategy for what he was going to wear..

The only strategy he had was to go to three fund raisers, and tell everyone in the service industry they should be in unions.

Has Obama even had a job outside of public office? For those of you who still love the guy, what inspires you about him? What is it that makes you go "Wow, I'm glad this guy is POTUS."

Remarks of "He's better than " insert Bush/McCain/Romney etc, don't really count. What has he DONE that makes you proud to be an American? If you say Healthcare, why? Foreign policy, why? Domestic policy, why? What is it about his time in office and what he has done makes you think he is the right person for the job?

Just curious if anyone can articulate it.

[Latrinsorm]

Gay rights and economy stand out to me.

DOMA, DADT, Shepard Act.
Unemployment went from 8 and rising to 6 and declining steadily, GDP went from plummeting to growth in 18 of the last 20 quarters.

I wouldn't point to anything as "inspiring", but I wouldn't say I "love" the guy either. He's a good President, and time will tell how some of his other ventures pan out.

[Wrathbringer]

He's a good President, and time will tell how some of his other ventures pan out.

:lol:

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Gay rights and economy stand out to me.

DOMA, DADT, Shepard Act.
Unemployment went from 8 and rising to 6 and declining steadily, GDP went from plummeting to growth in 18 of the last 20 quarters.

I wouldn't point to anything as "inspiring", but I wouldn't say I "love" the guy either. He's a good President, and time will tell how some of his other ventures pan out.

I think gay rights was a win for him, sure. Interesting his perspective changed when it was convenient, but regardless in the end I'd say he ended up on the right side of it.

Everything else you listed I could make counter arguments about but not really the point of my question. Thanks for answering. I honestly DO wonder what people see in him.

No thoughts on any of the current and recent scandals, or are you filling those away as partisan politics?

[Latrinsorm]

I think gay rights was a win for him, sure. Interesting his perspective changed when it was convenient, but regardless in the end I'd say he ended up on the right side of it.

Everything else you listed I could make counter arguments about but not really the point of my question. Thanks for answering. I honestly DO wonder what people see in him.

No thoughts on any of the current and recent scandals, or are you filling those away as partisan politics?I looked through an Obama scandal bracket (http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2014/07/the-obama-scandal-bracket.php) and I see nothing worth commenting on. They use Obamacare three different times, you know? Doesn't make their position look very strong.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I looked through an Obama scandal bracket (http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2014/07/the-obama-scandal-bracket.php) and I see nothing worth commenting on. They use Obamacare three different times, you know? Doesn't make their position look very strong.

I guess I'd think Obama was great too if I dismissed everything negative said about him.

What about his recent claims that our justice is coming for the folks beheading American's? Think it'll be Benghazi justice, or 9/11 justice?

[Warriorbird]

I guess I'd think Obama was great too if I dismissed everything negative said about him.

What about his recent claims that our justice is coming for the folks beheading American's? Think it'll be Benghazi justice, or 9/11 justice?

To non Republicans it just all gets pointless when you realize they'll complain whether he intervenes about something or he doesn't intervene about something.

[Vorpos]

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[Latrinsorm]

I guess I'd think Obama was great too if I dismissed everything negative said about him.

What about his recent claims that our justice is coming for the folks beheading American's? Think it'll be Benghazi justice, or 9/11 justice?I don't think Obama will let the mastermind escape for a decade, so not 9/11 justice.

No, seriously, ISIS is a problem, but like Saddam Hussein before them I don't think it's reasonable to expect resolution in time for us to watch some FOOTBALL!!!!! This falls under the category of "other ventures".