Rick Perry Indicted

[ClydeR]

AUSTIN, Tex. — A grand jury indicted Gov. Rick Perry on two felony counts on Friday, charging that he abused his power last year when he attempted to pressure the district attorney here, a Democrat, to step down by threatening to cut off state financing to her office.

More... (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/16/us/gov-rick-perry-of-texas-is-indicted-over-veto-of-funds-for-das-office.html)

This smells like a politically motivated prosecution. He exercised a veto power as governor given to him by the Texas Constitution because he was unhappy with how an agency was working. And then somebody in Austin indicts him for coercion? I tell you it smells.


This is a good background article because of that one sentence..


Like many schemes, it started with vodka.

More... (http://www.texasobserver.org/everything-wanted-know-rick-perrys-new-scandal/)

[Back]

Damn you, ClydeR! I was just about to start this thread!

Texas Gov. Rick Perry Indicted For Abuse Of Power


AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — A grand jury indicted Texas Gov. Rick Perry on Friday for allegedly abusing the powers of his office by carrying out a threat to veto funding for state prosecutors investigating public corruption — making the possible 2016 presidential hopeful his state's first indicted governor in nearly a century.

A special prosecutor spent months calling witnesses and presenting evidence that Perry broke the law when he promised publicly to nix $7.5 million over two years for the public integrity unit run by the office of Travis County District Attorney Rosemary Lehmberg. Lehmberg, a Democrat, was convicted of drunken driving, but refused Perry's calls to resign.

Though the Republican governor now faces two felony indictments, politics dominates the case. Lehmberg is based in Austin, which is heavily Democratic, in contrast to most of the rest of fiercely conservative Texas. The grand jury was comprised of Austin-area residents.

The unit Lehmberg oversees investigates statewide allegations of corruption and political wrongdoing. It led the investigation against former U.S. House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, a Texas Republican who in 2010 was convicted of money laundering and conspiracy to commit money laundering for taking part in a scheme to influence elections in his home state — convictions later vacated by an appeals court.

Perry denied a service to the very people he governs for his own personal vendetta. Classy.

[Thondalar]

Perry denied a service to the very people he governs for his own personal vendetta. Classy.

The person in charge of the agency that investigates allegations of corruption and political wrongdoing was convicted of a felony, and refused to resign...you don't see a problem with that? Perry hit them the only way he could. If you reverse the R and the D in this story, you'd be all for it.

[Methais]

Damn you, ClydeR! I was just about to start this thread!

Texas Gov. Rick Perry Indicted For Abuse Of Power



Perry denied a service to the very people he governs for his own personal vendetta. Classy.

I can't for the life of me think of who that statement reminds me of....

[Back]

The person in charge of the agency that investigates allegations of corruption and political wrongdoing was convicted of a felony, and refused to resign...you don't see a problem with that? Perry hit them the only way he could. If you reverse the R and the D in this story, you'd be all for it.

With all due respect, bullshit. There are better ways to make your point than throwing around your power that ultimately affects your constituents, Mr. Government of the People.

[Thondalar]

With all due respect, bullshit. There are better ways to make your point than throwing around your power that ultimately affects your constituents, Mr. Government of the People.

The Texas Constitution gives him that power, and his office gives him the ability to "throw it around". This indictment is pure politics, and will be thrown out before it even gets to court.

[Latrinsorm]

The Texas Constitution gives him that power, and his office gives him the ability to "throw it around". This indictment is pure politics, and will be thrown out before it even gets to court.The Texas Constitution gives him the power to veto funding, in the same way that it gives him the power to command the militia. The Texas Constitution does not give him the power to say "you better do what I want or else I'll cut off your funding", in the same way it does not give him the power to say "you better do what I want or I'll sic the militia on you". That is why he has been indicted not on the charge of cutting off funding, but on the charge of coercion.

This situation reminds me a lot of Spygate. Patriots supporters loudly insisted that every team did it, yet they were the only ones before or since to have been caught. Either the Patriots were quite literally the dumbest criminals in the history of the NFL or they really were one of a very few to be committing that offense. In the same way, dismissing this indictment as "pure politics" seems unlikely given that Texas is hardly the only state with a localized Democratic stronghold and a Republican governor. Either today's Texans are quite literally the most hateful politicians in that great state's history or Governor Perry really has done something questionable.

[Back]

The Texas Constitution gives him that power, and his office gives him the ability to "throw it around". This indictment is pure politics, and will be thrown out before it even gets to court.

The judiciary, a check against the legislative, has found that his actions were illegal.

How can you, Mr. Government of the People, possibly defend this abuse of power?

Are you just full of shit or what?

[Taernath]

The judiciary, a check against the legislative, has found that his actions were illegal.

How can you, Mr. Government of the People, possibly defend this abuse of power?

Are you just full of shit or what?

Before we get ahead of ourselves, remember that grand juries don't determine guilt, just if a crime may have been committed and if there is sufficient cause that criminal charges should be pursued.

[Back]

Before we get ahead of ourselves, remember that grand juries don't determine guilt, just if a crime may have been committed and if there is sufficient cause that criminal charges should be pursued.

Before we get ahead of ourselves?


A grand jury indicted Texas Gov. Rick Perry on Friday for allegedly abusing the powers of his office by carrying out a threat to veto funding for state prosecutors investigating public corruption — making the possible 2016 presidential hopeful his state's first indicted governor in nearly a century.

[Tgo01]

Before we get ahead of ourselves?

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Do you know what indicted means Back? :/

[Back]

Do you know what indicted means Back? :/

Yes. Why do you ask?

[Tgo01]

Yes. Why do you ask?

Because from your last couple of posts it sure sounds like you don't.

[Taernath]

Before we get ahead of ourselves?

[/I][/COLOR]

It's an indictment, not a verdict. Being charged with something doesn't necessarily mean you're guilty.

I don't like the guy either but let's wait for it at least get to trial first.

[Back]

Because from your last couple of posts it sure sounds like you don't.

Thats nice. You approve of Perry's actions?

[Candor]

It's an indictment, not a verdict. Being charged with something doesn't necessarily mean you're guilty.

I don't like the guy either but let's wait for it at least get to trial first.

You mean, the public should allow the courts to weigh the evidence and make a determination regarding guilt BEFORE everyone decides what happened?

What a concept. I wonder what other current events we could apply this to...

[Back]

This is amazing to me. How can anti-government people possibly condone Perry's actions?

[Taernath]

What a concept. I wonder what other current events we could apply this to...

Well, you were indicted for tattling in that one thread, but only got the title when you were found guilty by Anticor.

[RichardCranium]

This is amazing to me. How can anti-government people possibly condone Perry's actions?

I don't think you know what condone means either. Also, your bias is showing.

[~Rocktar~]

This is amazing to me. How can anti-government people possibly condone Perry's actions?

How can such a pro-government asshat be against them? After all, you agree with the select enforcement of the law and the pick and choose nature of waivers and other Presidential favors that abuse the law, how can you think this comes anywhere close to being the same?

[Back]

I don't think you know what condone means either. Also, your bias is showing.

Aren't you pretty much anti-government? How is it you are defending Perry in this situation?

[Back]

How can such a pro-government asshat be against them? After all, you agree with the select enforcement of the law and the pick and choose nature of waivers and other Presidential favors that abuse the law, how can you think this comes anywhere close to being the same?

Pro-government when it is just, anti corruption in any form. Get it right.

Select enforcement? Sorry, I thought we were all on the same page when it comes to our legal system. Are you not on the same page?

[RichardCranium]

Aren't you pretty much anti-government? How is it you are defending Perry in this situation?

I am far from anti-government. I am far from defending anyone. And you are far from riding the regular bus to school.

[Back]

I am far from anti-government. I am far from defending anyone. And you are far from riding the regular bus to school.

You seem to be on the bus that agrees with governors abusing their powers at the detriment of their constituents for a personal vendetta.

[RichardCranium]

You seem to be on the bus that agrees with governors abusing their powers at the detriment of their constituents for a personal vendetta.

Yes, you keep trying to drive that point home with me. Why do you feel that way?

[Back]

Yes, you keep trying to drive that point home with me. Why do you feel that way?

So then we agree on this one?

[RichardCranium]

So then we agree on this one?

No, I'm not in the habit of jumping to conclusions.

[Seran]

The person in charge of the agency that investigates allegations of corruption and political wrongdoing was convicted of a felony, and refused to resign...you don't see a problem with that? Perry hit them the only way he could. If you reverse the R and the D in this story, you'd be all for it.

Uh no, she was convicted of a Class A Misdemeanor, not a felony.

[Back]

No, I'm not in the habit of jumping to conclusions.

Dude! A CIVIL COURT indicted him. What else do you need?

My bias is showing? Fuck sake.

[Jace Solo]

Why do you guys continue this. You should know by now that arguing politics on the PC is like arguing which power ranger is the most powerful in the 3rd grade. The correct answer is, your all wrong. Power Rangers is a Fox show. It's Murdoc.

We pretend any of this party crap matters. The big 5 do everything and pull every string in between. The rest is pathetic in its jockeying for "power". Yeah, it's more power than we each individually command...but then again, who wants to deal with listening to people like Back protest you. Facepalms all around.

[Tgo01]

Dude! A CIVIL COURT indicted him. What else do you need?

My bias is showing? Fuck sake.

Are you 100% sure you know what indicted means? :/

[Back]

We pretend any of this party crap matters.

It does matter. There is such a thing called truth.

[Back]

Are you 100% sure you know what indicted means? :/

Of course. I would love to hear your assessment of this situation if you cared to explain it.

[RichardCranium]

Dude! A CIVIL COURT indicted him. What else do you need?

My bias is showing? Fuck sake.

Let's look at a different situation. When I was eighteen years old a tragic, senseless accident left one of my best friends dead and me charged with negligent homicide. The case went before the grand jury and after hearing testimony from various detectives, friends and family a No True Bill was returned and I was free to go. Now, does that mean I didn't kill my best friend? What else do you need?

[Wrathbringer]

It does matter. There is such a thing called truth.

LOL

[Methais]

I can't wait to hear what Back says if Obama is ever indicted for abusing his power. I'm sure it will be along the lines of "It's just an indictment it doesn't mean he's guilty let's wait and see what happens, plus racism omg!"


Why do you guys continue this. You should know by now that arguing politics on the PC is like arguing which power ranger is the most powerful in the 3rd grade. The correct answer is, your all wrong. Power Rangers is a Fox show. It's Murdoc.

http://www.telefilmania.it/img/80ateam_07.jpg

[Methais]

And since Back keeps saying he knows what indict means but won't actually give his definition of it, I'll just do it for him, so that there's no confusion:

- a formal accusation initiating a criminal case, presented by a grand jury and usually required for felonies and other serious crimes.

- any charge, accusation, serious criticism, or cause for blame.

Therefore in Back's world, if you're a republican, you're guilty until proven innocent, and vice versa if you're a democrat.

[Parkbandit]

The only thing I've gotten from this thread so far is that Packlash doesn't understand the term "indicted".

Did I miss anything else?

[Parkbandit]

I can't for the life of me think of who that statement reminds me of....

CHRIS CHRISTY!

[ClydeR]

The Texas Constitution gives him the power to veto funding, in the same way that it gives him the power to command the militia. The Texas Constitution does not give him the power to say "you better do what I want or else I'll cut off your funding", in the same way it does not give him the power to say "you better do what I want or I'll sic the militia on you". That is why he has been indicted not on the charge of cutting off funding, but on the charge of coercion.

The logical conclusion of your statement is that the governor cannot, without committing a crime, declare in advance under what conditions he will veto something.

[RichardCranium]

Back doesn't want to talk about this anymore?

[Parkbandit]

Back doesn't want to talk about this anymore?

He's still going over "indicted" in his head.

This is a bullshit political move made by a desperate far left Progressive group. It'll be thrown out before it ever ends up going to court.

[Jarvan]

This is amazing to me. How can anti-government people possibly condone Perry's actions?

Wait.. you are FOR the indictment and trial of a politician for abusing his power after a Judiciary indicted that it was abuse?

Do you feel man enough to apply this to Obama now?

[Ashlander]

Wait.. you are FOR the indictment and trial of a politician for abusing his power after a Judiciary indicted that it was abuse?

Do you feel man enough to apply this to Obama now?

Of course not, Back knows that Obama HAD to abuse his power because all those republicans in congress wouldn't be bipartisan and do exactly what he wanted them to do.

[Parkbandit]

Never can tell. There are many Republicans that benefit from Perry slipping too.

Very true.. but it's a Progressive Group pushing this.. not a Right leaning group.

[Parkbandit]

Of course not, Back knows that Obama HAD to abuse his power because all those republicans in congress wouldn't be bipartisan and do exactly what he wanted them to do.

These people are standing up for what they believe is an over reach by a mean Republican.

Anyone who even believes President Obama has over reached his authority are racists.

[Warriorbird]

Very true.. but it's a Progressive Group pushing this.. not a Right leaning group.

It certainly is. The Texas courts are rife with Republican politics though, and the enemy of their enemy may be their friend. Governors make many enemies.

EDIT:

Lol at the neg repper who doesn't want to admit realpolitik.

[Back]

Back doesn't want to talk about this anymore?

I've said enough. Now it's up to the legal system. When Obama vetoes funding for a program because he didn't like the person running that program we can talk about that.

[Tgo01]

I've said enough. Now it's up to the legal system. When Obama vetoes funding for a program because he didn't like the person running that program we can talk about that.

You're awfully particular about what you consider abuse of power by a legislator.

[Parkbandit]

I've said enough. Now it's up to the legal system. When Obama vetoes funding for a program because he didn't like the person running that program we can talk about that.

Do you understand what a veto is?

[Latrinsorm]

Do you understand what a veto is?Do you understand what coercion is?

[Thondalar]

The judiciary, a check against the legislative, has found that his actions were illegal.

How can you, Mr. Government of the People, possibly defend this abuse of power?

Are you just full of shit or what?

I'm not defending anything, since he hasn't been convicted of anything. I'm simply saying you need to stop being such a lemming.

If he is convicted of something at some point in the future, I'll make the decision whether to condone or condemn his actions.


Before we get ahead of ourselves, remember that grand juries don't determine guilt, just if a crime may have been committed and if there is sufficient cause that criminal charges should be pursued.

Correct. Also, a grand jury can indict a bicycle if they want to. Effectively it really doesn't mean anything. This is just a way for that convict DA to try to give Perry some bad press.

[ClydeR]

Very true.. but it's a Progressive Group pushing this.. not a Right leaning group.

Republicans should resent this patently political liberal attack on Rick Perry. We'll show the liberals. Now is the time to unite behind Rick Perry's 2016 campaign.

[Jarvan]

I've said enough. Now it's up to the legal system. When Obama vetoes funding for a program because he didn't like the person running that program we can talk about that.

You know.. it doesn't work like that in the Federal Government. Obama can veto Bills. CONGRESS holds the purse strings. Obama can't just withhold funds from something that has been passed by Congress.

[~Rocktar~]

You know.. it doesn't work like that in the Federal Government. Obama can veto Bills. CONGRESS holds the purse strings. Obama can't just withhold funds from something that has been passed by Congress.

Or simply refuse to uphold the law as he sees fit. Alternately, he can make up some interpretation of the law and go with that.

[Candor]

AUSTIN, Texas (AP) -- A judge has decided not to issue an arrest warrant for Texas Gov. Rick Perry, a court official said Monday, meaning the Republican can continue traveling the country and gearing up for a possible 2016 presidential run despite being indicted on two felony counts of abuse of power.

Perry on Friday became the first Texas governor since 1917 to be indicted, and he's facing charges that carry a maximum sentence of 109 years in prison for carrying out a threat to veto funding for the state's public integrity unit. But Linda Estrada, a Travis County grand jury clerk, said that the judge overseeing the case, Bert Richardson, decided against issuing an arrest warrant.

Perry will receive a summons which has not been issued yet and won't be until his defense attorney and the state set a date for him to appear in court. Estrada said the governor will eventually have to be booked and fingerprinted. She wasn't sure about a mug shot, though cases similar to Perry's have warranted them in the past.

Michael McCrum, the special prosecutor leading the case against Perry, did not respond to repeated messages for comment. But he told The Houston Chronicle that a summons rather than an arrest warrant wasn't unusual since the governor poses no flight risk - and that it did not constitute special treatment.

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You cannot convince me that this indictment doesn't have at least some political motivation.

Hey Dems...want to protect against a possible backlash? Offer moderate alternatives to Rosemary Lehmberg. Surely you don't want her in office after her arrest and the videos that have been posted.

[rolfard]

Crackhead governors have been videotaped looking worse

[Latrinsorm]

You know.. it doesn't work like that in the Federal Government. Obama can veto Bills. CONGRESS holds the purse strings. Obama can't just withhold funds from something that has been passed by Congress.Both Congresses establish funding with bills. The difference is that the Governor of Texas has a line item veto, while the President of the United States would have to veto the entire bill. Note also that the bill passed 118-29, was sponsored by two Republicans, and had no one specifically remark on the funding for the anti corruption unit. Note finally that said anti corruption unit was specifically investigating Governor Perry's link to the Cancer Prevention and Research Institute of Texas and possible corruption there.

This isn't a partisan thing. This is a Rick Perry thing.

[ClydeR]

Perry on Friday became the first Texas governor since 1917



I keep hearing how this is the first indictment of a Texas governor since 1917. If you're like me -- and I think most of you are -- you're wondering exactly what happened nearly 100 years ago to cause the indictment of a governor. I Googled it and found an article (http://www.myhighplains.com/story/d/story/in-1917-similarities-to-gov-rick-perrys-indictment/21109/1mhLV5h-pUa7qFQxDtYMGQ).

What happened way back then was nothing like today's political sideshow.

In 1917, Pa Ferguson was the governor of Texas, with presidential ambitions. Pa wasn't his real name. It was a nickname later used to distinguish him from another governor with the same last name, as we shall see. Pa was mighty upset with the University of Texas. He wanted the university to fire six particular professors over certain differences of opinion, but the university was too ornery to do it. To get his point across, Pa vetoed the entire university budget. You can imagine what a stir that caused. The legislature moved to impeach Pa, but Pa resigned the day before the final vote. Pa was vindicated, in a manner of speaking, just a few years later when Ma Ferguson was elected the first female governor of Texas. Under Ma's -- or was it really Pa's? -- leadership, the Texas legislature passed an amnesty for anybody who had been impeached.

[Gelston]

Clyde, your shit makes no sense.

Now I looked up an article showing all the Governors of Texas... His wife didn't come after him. Hobby did. He was impeached. He was actually convicted of 10 charges. She later served as governor of Texas, after she was ELECTED. She had more than one term also.

I'd tell you to stop being a dumbfuck and creating shit, but I know it was that source that did and you are just a troll pulling up dumb shit.

Good job trying to put down a woman's accomplishments though.

[Methais]

ClydeR hates women! And not just because he's gay!

[Back]

Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R) turned himself in to authorities Tuesday on counts of abuse of official capacity and coercion of a public servant.

Perry was indicted (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/15/rick-perry-indicted-power_n_5683406.html) Friday for allegedly abusing the powers of his office by carrying out a threat to veto funding for state prosecutors investigating public corruption.

Mug shot.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bvb3b_zIUAENcKp.jpg:large

[Tgo01]

I read earlier that he wouldn't have to give a mugshot.

Was that wrong or you just being a smart ass?

[Gelston]

I read earlier that he wouldn't have to give a mugshot.

Was that wrong or you just being a smart ass?

I read that he "may or may not" have to get a mug shot, but that he would have to be formally booked.

[Back]

I read earlier that he wouldn't have to give a mugshot.

Was that wrong or you just being a smart ass?

I guess I just make more of an effort to be better informed but I will not deny being a smart ass sometimes.

[Methais]

I guess I just make more of an effort to be better informed


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GxY559Qfbc

[Thondalar]

Crackhead governors have been videotaped looking worse

You're thinking of Mayors.

[Thondalar]

I read earlier that he wouldn't have to give a mugshot.

Was that wrong or you just being a smart ass?

Nah, you were right, he didn't have to give a mugshot, he turned himself in on his own.

[Warriorbird]

You're thinking of Mayors.

http://torontostandard.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/08c3fb3ba80f9b1e51ddf2df1721d2b5_slider.jpg

[Candor]

I cannot believe this is going forward. I hope it is televised - I want to see the opening and closing arguments to the jury.

Wake up Dems - this is going to backfire on you.

[Warriorbird]

I cannot believe this is going forward. I hope it is televised - I want to see the opening and closing arguments to the jury.

Wake up Dems - this is going to backfire on you.

How exactly? This woman obviously has issues but highlighting Rick Perry shutting down investigations into himself isn't going to be good for him.

And if this "OMG Rick Perry has been wronged!" leads to him being nominated it would be incredible for the Democratic Candidate.

It'd be the equivalent of Republicans getting to run against Warren. Whine about Hillary all the Republicans want, she's a MUCH more competent choice.

[ClydeR]

Clyde, your shit makes no sense.

Now I looked up an article showing all the Governors of Texas... His wife didn't come after him. Hobby did. He was impeached. He was actually convicted of 10 charges. She later served as governor of Texas, after she was ELECTED. She had more than one term also.

I'd tell you to stop being a dumbfuck and creating shit, but I know it was that source that did and you are just a troll pulling up dumb shit.

Good job trying to put down a woman's accomplishments though.


I have good news, Gelston. I checked the facts stated in your unsourced post, and none of them are inconsistent with the facts in my post.

[Gelston]

I have good news, Gelston. I checked the facts stated in your unsourced post, and none of them are inconsistent with the facts in my post.

I was drunk when I read your post, however, I still contend that you are a retard.

[Parkbandit]

How exactly? This woman obviously has issues but highlighting Rick Perry shutting down investigations into himself isn't going to be good for him.

And if this "OMG Rick Perry has been wronged!" leads to him being nominated it would be incredible for the Democratic Candidate.

It'd be the equivalent of Republicans getting to run against Warren. Whine about Hillary all the Republicans want, she's a MUCH more competent choice.

Here's a link from a crazy lefty that might shed light for you:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/19/opinion/is-gov-perrys-bad-judgment-really-a-crime.html

[Warriorbird]

Here's a link from a crazy lefty that might shed light for you:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/19/opinion/is-gov-perrys-bad-judgment-really-a-crime.html

Baquet is hardly as liberal as Abramson was.

In spite of his suggestion that it wasn't criminal he also says this:


In June, he did just that, using his line-item veto to zero out the $7.5 million for the unit. That was a bad idea. Had county officials not stepped in with some money, the veto could have shut down an important investigative body and its cases. Mr. Perry should have left the matter to the courts, where both a criminal and a civil attempt to have her removed failed, or to the voters.

[Parkbandit]

Baquet is hardly as liberal as Abramson was.

In spite of his suggestion that it wasn't criminal he also says this:

Let's be honest.. he's a liberal and is absolutely no fan of Rick Perry. Even HE believes that the Democrats have overplayed their hand.

I'm sorry I couldn't get a "real" liberal like Abramson to give her opinion on this, but she was shit canned.

[Warriorbird]

Let's be honest.. he's a liberal and is absolutely no fan of Rick Perry. Even HE believes that the Democrats have overplayed their hand.

I'm sorry I couldn't get a "real" liberal like Abramson to give her opinion on this, but she was shit canned.

The man got his Pulitzer for attacking the Democratic Party in Chicago. Some folks might not know that. His most influential work is bringing down a Democratic Governor of Louisiana.

[Parkbandit]

The man got his Pulitzer for attacking the Democratic Party in Chicago. Some folks might not know that. His most influential work is bringing down a Democratic Governor of Louisiana.

Well, then he can't be trusted! He's probably a founding member of the TEA PARTY!

[Tgo01]

"Perry has hired a team of high-powered attorneys, who are being paid with state funds to defend him."

Isn't this where Democrats are supposed to scream "WHAT?! Why are we wasting money on something so pointless that we know isn't going anywhere?!?!??!"

Hello? ::taps mic:: Is this thing on? Democrats? Helllooooo?

[Warriorbird]

Well, then he can't be trusted! He's probably a founding member of the TEA PARTY!

Nah. I'd just say he doesn't fit the typical profile of "liberal" NYT editors like you were trying to portray him as. He hangs out with Bobby Jindal during Mardi Gras. I'm sure that'd get you burned in effigy in some liberal circles.

[Parkbandit]

Nah. I'd just say he doesn't fit the typical profile of "liberal" NYT editors like you were trying to portray him as. He hangs out with Bobby Jindal during Mardi Gras. I'm sure that'd get you burned in effigy in some liberal circles.

I wouldn't know anything about your circles.. nor would I ever want to.

Here, I'll give you some more views from the left:

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/dershowitz-perry-indictment-outraged/2014/08/16/id/589179/

Unless he was demonstrably trying to scrap the ethics unit for other than his stated reason, Perry indictment seems pretty sketchy. -David Axelrod via Twitter

Have to say Perry indictment seems nuts. Gov has constitutional power to veto. Gov uses power. Grand jury indicts bc they don't like reason? -Jonathan Prince via Twitter

[Candor]

The thinking of the far left:

Democrats: Innocent until proven guilty.
Republicans: Guilty until proven innocent.

[Warriorbird]

I wouldn't know anything about your circles.. nor would I ever want to.

Here, I'll give you some more views from the left:

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/dershowitz-perry-indictment-outraged/2014/08/16/id/589179/

Unless he was demonstrably trying to scrap the ethics unit for other than his stated reason, Perry indictment seems pretty sketchy. -David Axelrod via Twitter

Have to say Perry indictment seems nuts. Gov has constitutional power to veto. Gov uses power. Grand jury indicts bc they don't like reason? -Jonathan Prince via Twitter








Fair enough. I now support the campaign to nominate Rick Perry.

[Parkbandit]

Fair enough. I now support the campaign to nominate Rick Perry.

I'm no Rick Perry fan.. especially after he left Journey. I'm just explaining how this could be viewed as an over reach by the Democrats in Texas and that this is purely political.

[Latrinsorm]

Unarmed man shot to death by police.
PB response - let's wait for all the facts.

Governor indicted by grand jury.
PB response - bullshit political move, overreach.

Hmm......

[Candor]

Unarmed man shot to death by police.
PB response - let's wait for all the facts.

Governor indicted by grand jury.
PB response - bullshit political move, overreach.

Hmm......

It *is* a bullshit political move. How many liberals (not conservatives, remember) does it take to say this is overreach before you start to accept it?

[Latrinsorm]

It *is* a bullshit political move. How many liberals (not conservatives, remember) does it take to say this is overreach before you start to accept it?Why would I care what liberals have to say? I can observe facts for myself, and even if I couldn't I'm a moderate.

[Gelston]

Why would I care what liberals have to say? I can observe facts for myself, and even if I couldn't I'm a moderate.

I'm glad you feel that death and the Rick Perry thing are the same.

[Parkbandit]

I wonder if the Governor of Texas has line item veto power, granted in the State Constitution.

Oh right.. he does.

http://www.tpnn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/RosemaryLehmberg.jpg

[Parkbandit]

I'm glad you feel that death and the Rick Perry thing are the same.

To be fair... he did kill Journey. :(

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Perry is an asshole. Yeah, my family is from Texas... I get the whole 'Texas' thing while we all gobble down tacos and enchiladas, and the Alamo! Perry is the worst of Texas. He is the epitome of bad Texans. Oil barons. Slave wagers crying when workers want rights while sitting on a throne of cash.

Real Texans appreciate anyone who works hard, has values, likes good food and good beer. Thank god for immigrants. Otherwise we could not enjoy a nice Shiner Bock with our crunchy ground beef tacos!

Perry is an asshole.

[Methais]

Perry is an asshole. Yeah, my family is from Texas... I get the whole 'Texas' thing while we all gobble down tacos and enchiladas, and the Alamo! Perry is the worst of Texas. He is the epitome of bad Texans. Oil barons. Slave wagers crying when workers want rights while sitting on a throne of cash.

Real Texans appreciate anyone who works hard, has values, likes good food and good beer. Thank god for immigrants. Otherwise we could not enjoy a nice Shiner Bock with our crunchy ground beef tacos!

Perry is an asshole.

All those illegals working under the table must be the reason why Texas has the best economy in the country, right?

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All those illegals working under the table must be the reason why Texas has the best economy in the country, right?

Makes you wonder who is telling who what about immigration. WINK WINK.

[Methais]

Makes you wonder who is telling who what about immigration. WINK WINK.

http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltblspGnIe1qzs348o1_r1_500.jpg

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On a side note I've found a market that sells Wolf brand chili. Best damn chili thanks to the hybrid cooking of the region.

[Gelston]

Wolf brand chili the best? Boy you never had good chili then.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Wolf brand chili the best? Boy you never had good chili then.

PB posted a fucking amazing chili recipe a while back. I've made it a few times and family RAVED about how delicious it was and how preposterous that my Yankee ass made good chili.

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Wolf brand chili the best? Boy you never had good chili then.

Hey I'm open to good chili. I grew up with Wolf. Hormel isn't bad. You have a better suggestion?

[Gelston]

We have an annual chili cook off that supports this thing called Camp Tiger (basically pays to send low income disabled children to summer camp.) It is such an awesome time and so much chili! The many different styles is always great.

[Gelston]

Hey I'm open to good chili. I grew up with Wolf. Hormel isn't bad. You have a better suggestion?

Stuff that isn't canned. You can make a good chili fairly cheap and in little time. You'd also never want canned chili again.

[JackWhisper]

I want this chili recipe. LINK PLEASE! My family's having a barbecue in a couple weeks and I'd love to outdo a few of em off with awesome chili!

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Stuff that isn't canned. You can make a good chili fairly cheap and in little time.

Mighty Nikki suggested this. I'm not someone who has that kind of time.

I will say that yes homemade is better than canned. Better have lots of cumin and sauce though.

[Wrathbringer]

PB posted a fucking amazing chili recipe a while back. I've made it a few times and family RAVED about how delicious it was and how preposterous that my Yankee ass made good chili.

I'd like to get this.

[Gelston]

Mighty Nikki suggested this. I'm not someone who has that kind of time.

I will say that yes homemade is better than canned. Better have lots of cumin and sauce though.

One thing I have done to Wolfs before to make it better was add Rotels and tobasco to it.

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Heh, the same market I found that sells Wolf also sells Rotel.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Here's where PB posted:
http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?34179-Recipe-Thread-of-Doom&p=773398#post773398

I added a tablespoon of cocoa powder and some extra spicy chilis in with the green ones, but as a base or not super crazy chili recipe it's awesome. PB got me some legit southern street cred with Texan family members. You can mess around with the meat too but make sure it's somewhat fatty. TRUST IN THE PB RECIPE FOR SUCCESS.

[Wrathbringer]

Here's where PB posted:
http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?34179-Recipe-Thread-of-Doom&p=773398#post773398

I added a tablespoon of cocoa powder and some extra spicy chilis in with the green ones, but as a base or not super crazy chili recipe it's awesome. PB got me some legit southern street cred with Texan family members. You can mess around with the meat too but make sure it's somewhat fatty. TRUST IN THE PB RECIPE FOR SUCCESS.

Thank you!

[Gelston]

Here's where PB posted:
http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?34179-Recipe-Thread-of-Doom&p=773398#post773398

I added a tablespoon of cocoa powder and some extra spicy chilis in with the green ones, but as a base or not super crazy chili recipe it's awesome. PB got me some legit southern street cred with Texan family members. You can mess around with the meat too but make sure it's somewhat fatty. TRUST IN THE PB RECIPE FOR SUCCESS.

Texas isn't the South. Texas is Texas!

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Texas isn't the South. Texas is Texas!

.... My husband said, "I got an offer for a job in Houston."

And I said "What the fuck?"

Then I looked at how much house our money would buy for us, versus in MA. And I was like..

"YEEHAW TEXAS."

[JackWhisper]

So much thanks. I'm going to make his chili in a few days as a test run on a few people. I'll let you know how happy they are.

[Gelston]

.... My husband said, "I got an offer for a job in Houston."

And I said "What the fuck?"

Then I looked at how much house our money would buy for us, versus in MA. And I was like..

"YEEHAW TEXAS."

Most of my family lives in Houston now. I am pretty much the last in Louisiana.

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Most of my family lives in Houston now. I am pretty much the last in Louisiana.

Do you have a good jambalaya recipe?

[Androidpk]

Hey I'm open to good chili. I grew up with Wolf. Hormel isn't bad. You have a better suggestion?

The first step to great chili is a cockpit.

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Texas isn't the South. Texas is Texas!

Yeah! Texas has some issues but not as bad as the 'South'.

Gotta love good beer, tacos, work, baptists, and parking.

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The first step to great chili is a cockpit.

Was that a Freudian crockpot?

[Jeril]

The first step to great chili is a cockpit.

Cockpit?

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Cockpit?

Look who shows up at the sound of "Cockpit".

[Androidpk]

Was that a Freudian crockpot?

Guilty.

[Latrinsorm]

I'm glad you feel that death and the Rick Perry thing are the same.Gelly, a comparison is by definition between two different things, otherwise it would be a tautology. The question is whether the two things are in some way analogous. Another tack is to respond to any comparison whose implications you dislike by effectively saying apples to oranges. This doesn't require any thought on your part, but (not by coincidence) it is a pretty weak rebuttal.
I wonder if the Governor of Texas has line item veto power, granted in the State Constitution.

Oh right.. he does.So that's a "no" on knowing what coercion is, huh?
All those illegals working under the table must be the reason why Texas has the best economy in the country, right?By what metric? In terms of GDP growth %, Texas was #1 in 2012 but dropped to #8 in 2013 and I can't find any values for 2014.

[Jeril]

Look who shows up at the sound of "Cockpit".

Who doesn't like to fly?

[Gelston]

Do you have a good jambalaya recipe?

Several. What kind of seafood/meat?

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Who doesn't like to fly?

Me. And definitely not with you. No offense.

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Several. What kind of seafood/meat?

Traditional. I want shrimp, chicken, sausage, mussels, scallops, lobster, pork niblets...

[ClydeR]

Perry is an asshole. Yeah, my family is from Texas... I get the whole 'Texas' thing while we all gobble down tacos and enchiladas, and the Alamo! Perry is the worst of Texas. He is the epitome of bad Texans. Oil barons. Slave wagers crying when workers want rights while sitting on a throne of cash.

Real Texans appreciate anyone who works hard, has values, likes good food and good beer. Thank god for immigrants. Otherwise we could not enjoy a nice Shiner Bock with our crunchy ground beef tacos!

Perry is an asshole.


Real Texans disagree with your assessment..


Perry was elected to full gubernatorial terms in 2002, 2006 and 2010 and is the fourth Texas governor (after Allan Shivers, Price Daniel, and John Connally) to serve three terms. With a tenure in office to date of 13 years, 242 days, Perry is the second longest serving current U.S. governor – after Terry Branstad of Iowa. Perry served as chairman of the Republican Governors Association in 2008 (succeeding Sonny Perdue of Georgia) and again in 2011.

More... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Perry)

[Gelston]

Real Texans disagree with your assessment..

This is a food thread now. Fuck off.

[JackWhisper]

Agreed!

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Real Texans disagree with your assessment..

Whatever you are, whoever you are, I do not think you have any merit. You are a spoiler.

[Methais]

Yeah! Texas has some issues but not as bad as the 'South'.

Gotta love good beer, tacos, work, baptists, and parking.

Don't forget life sentences for getting busted with pot.