House Unexpectedly Kills Border Bill

[ClydeR]

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A bill to fund border security blew up in House Speaker John Boehner's face on Thursday, leaving Republicans in disarray and struggling to reconcile Tea Party demands with the need to deal with a humanitarian crisis on the southwestern border with Mexico.

Boehner, the top U.S. Republican, withdrew the bill after failing to corral a sufficient number of Republican votes for passage. That left him in an all-too-familiar position of having to somehow pass legislation or risk damage to his party in the November congressional elections in which Republicans are trying to capture the Senate.

More... (http://news.yahoo.com/house-senate-poised-pass-rival-border-security-bills-151754772.html)

Faced with those two choices, Boehner made the right decision. The greater evil would be letting Democrats keep control of the Senate. And the lesser evil would be whatever now happens to the illegal kids from Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador.

[Tgo01]

I read about this earlier and I'm still confused; how did this bill not have enough votes to pass just because a few tea party members were against it? From the sounds of it the Democrats want this bill passed too so...all Democrats plus majority of Republicans = more than enough votes to pass.

[Jarvan]

" Senate Appropriations Committee Chairwoman Barbara Mikulski tried to contrast her party's approach to that of Republicans when, during Thursday's floor debate, she said she had spoken to a 15-year-old girl whose parents were killed in gang violence in Honduras.

"You're going to send her back?" Mikulski asked."

Fine.. have Eric Holder give her a gun and some ammo.. THEN send her back.

Onish topic tho.. I think the reason why it wouldn't have passed.. is the Dems wouldn't have voted for it because it didn't go far enough. Not enough money spent, and more spent on securing the border then giving aid to "children".

Not to mention, it wouldn't look as good for the repubs if half their party didn't vote on it come November.

[SashaFierce]

I read about this earlier and I'm still confused; how did this bill not have enough votes to pass just because a few tea party members were against it? From the sounds of it the Democrats want this bill passed too so...all Democrats plus majority of Republicans = more than enough votes to pass.


The bill didn't pass because Boner added a provision to expand DACA to cover illegal aliens from Mexico.

Another interesting thing about DACA is that the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals can be used up to the age of 30.

[Atlanteax]

Why are we even helping the illegal kids?

It will only encourage more illegals to bring their kids along or send in their kids ahead of them.

[Parkbandit]

Why are we even helping the illegal kids?

It will only encourage more illegals to bring their kids along or send in their kids ahead of them.

You are obviously afraid of people that are not American. Or you hate kids. Or you are just a racist.

WHICH ONE IS IT!?

[Latrinsorm]

I read about this earlier and I'm still confused; how did this bill not have enough votes to pass just because a few tea party members were against it? From the sounds of it the Democrats want this bill passed too so...all Democrats plus majority of Republicans = more than enough votes to pass.The Democrats want a bill passed, not this particular one:

"The Democratic-led Senate is pushing a $2.7 billion border-security funding bill, which Republicans are lining up to oppose on the grounds that it spends too much and does not address the root of the Central American migration problem."

Boehner's move is to pass a bill in the House and loudly criticize the Democrats for not compromising. If he can't pass a bill of his own, his whining has no power; thus, the Democrats' greatest Republican allies are the Tea Party. The Tea Party are twits not just for their philosophy but for their methods of pursuing it.

[Tgo01]

The Democrats want a bill passed, not this particular one:

"The Democratic-led Senate is pushing a $2.7 billion border-security funding bill, which Republicans are lining up to oppose on the grounds that it spends too much and does not address the root of the Central American migration problem."

Boehner's move is to pass a bill in the House and loudly criticize the Democrats for not compromising. If he can't pass a bill of his own, his whining has no power; thus, the Democrats' greatest Republican allies are the Tea Party. The Tea Party are twits not just for their philosophy but for their methods of pursuing it.

So...when they say the "Republicans" can't pass a bill in the house...what they really mean is the Democrats in the House won't support the Republican bill...

Why is it when the House won't fall in line behind whatever the Senate passes it's "Republicans are racist, obstructionist assholes!"

And when the Senate won't fall in line behind whatever the house passes it's "Republicans are racist, obstructionist assholes!"

Answer me, Latrin. ANSWER ME!

[Latrinsorm]

So...when they say the "Republicans" can't pass a bill in the house...what they really mean is the Democrats in the House won't support the Republican bill...The Republicans don't need Democrats to pass anything, they control a majority of the seats in the House.
Why is it when the House won't fall in line behind whatever the Senate passes it's "Republicans are racist, obstructionist assholes!"

And when the Senate won't fall in line behind whatever the house passes it's "Republicans are racist, obstructionist assholes!"To my knowledge, the chief charges of legislative obstructionism are levied against Republican Senators for filibustering, rather than voting against (from either house) the bills Democrat Senators successfully pass. I would also point out that I can't find any articles referring to this incident as obstructionism.

In conclusion: that post was bad, and you should feel bad.

[Tgo01]

The Republicans don't need Democrats to pass anything, they control a majority of the seats in the House.

That's all fine and dandy! And I hear what you're saying, really! I do!

But when you hear a Democrat say "We must do something on the border! PASS A BILL, YOU FUCKING RACIST REPUBLICANS!" then this same Democrat...doesn't support the bill they want passed...I mean...what?


To my knowledge, the chief charges of legislative obstructionism are levied against Republican Senators for filibustering

It's a darn good thing you qualified this with "to my knowledge", because you are wrong

So wrong it's passed straight passed being funny, straight through being sad and it's bordering somewhere between ludicrous and the Chinese Famine of 1907.

[Latrinsorm]

That's all fine and dandy! And I hear what you're saying, really! I do!

But when you hear a Democrat say "We must do something on the border! PASS A BILL, YOU FUCKING RACIST REPUBLICANS!" then this same Democrat...doesn't support the bill they want passed...I mean...what?The Democrats did pass a bill. It stands to reason that if Boehner brought it up for a vote, they would vote for it. Prove me wrong, Boehner.
It's a darn good thing you qualified this with "to my knowledge", because you are wrong

So wrong it's passed straight passed being funny, straight through being sad and it's bordering somewhere between ludicrous and the Chinese Famine of 1907.I stand corrected.

That post was bad, and you should feel bad. Your preceding post was merely mediocre by comparison.

[Tgo01]

The Democrats did pass a bill.

I see. So Democrats' idea of "doing something" is expecting Republicans to fall in line behind Democrats.

[Tgo01]

Looks like the Republicans did end up passing a bill, with only 1 Democrat voting for the bill. (http://www.aol.com/article/2014/08/01/house-oks-bill-to-address-border-crisis/20940872/?icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl1|sec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D510156)

And then Obama basically said "HA! Not enough good, racist Republican assholes! I'll do this alone!"

Way to make Latrin look silly, guys.

[Jarvan]

You know... I honestly can't wait for the day that the Republicans get the Senate. I almost hope it's this year. If they do and keep the House.. I wonder how long it will take the Dems to Filibuster every bill they can not to mention how often Obama will threaten a Veto.

Hell.. Obama's pen will be working more then he does.

[Warriorbird]

You know... I honestly can't wait for the day that the Republicans get the Senate. I almost hope it's this year. If they do and keep the House.. I wonder how long it will take the Dems to Filibuster every bill they can not to mention how often Obama will threaten a Veto.

Hell.. Obama's pen will be working more then he does.

When it does happen it has this nice tendency to help the Democrats regain everything.

[Jarvan]

When it does happen it has this nice tendency to help the Democrats regain everything.

I notice you didn't say that Filibustering is bad. And you are slightly wrong.

Repubs taking the Senate, House AND Pres is what generally would cause Dems to regain everything. Altho a Repub Senate and House would likely be a strike against them in 2016, they still have a higher then normal chance to get the White House. To be honest tho... I kinda DON'T want the Repubs to get the Senate this year. I want them to make big gains... maybe have it a 51/49 split, or 50/50. Because face it... if the Repubs take the Senate.. it will be two years of hearing Obama vetoing bills and blaming Congress for not doing anything, and if they don't take the Senate and keep the house... it will be 2 more years of Reid refusing to bring any republican bills to the floor and Obama saying Republicans won't do anything.

So if there is no difference.. may as well wait 2 years and win the Presidency.

[Latrinsorm]

Looks like the Republicans did end up passing a bill, with only 1 Democrat voting for the bill. (http://www.aol.com/article/2014/08/01/house-oks-bill-to-address-border-crisis/20940872/?icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl1|sec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D510156)

And then Obama basically said "HA! Not enough good, racist Republican assholes! I'll do this alone!"

Way to make Latrin look silly, guys.I claimed that Republicans didn't need any Democrat support to pass a bill in the House. Is that not what happened, or isn't it?

[Tgo01]

I claimed that Republicans didn't need any Democrat support to pass a bill in the House. Is that not what happened, or isn't it?

You also said the Democrats in the Senate had already passed a bill yet I read earlier today they had not passed a bill.

Were you lying about that too? :(

[Latrinsorm]

I always tell the truth, even when I lie.

In this case I was mistaken. I had read that they had beaten the filibuster 63-33, but apparently that was some other legislative procedure and they lost to the actual filibuster 50-44. In my defense, it's pretty hard to keep track of all the ways Republicans obstruct the Senate!

[Tgo01]

I always tell the truth, even when I lie.

In this case I was mistaken. I had read that they had beaten the filibuster 63-33, but apparently that was some other legislative procedure and they lost to the actual filibuster 50-44. In my defense, it's pretty hard to keep track of all the ways Republicans obstruct the Senate!

So in other words Democrats have been crying to get a bill done and the House Republicans were the only one to make that a reality yet...the Republicans are the bad guys here? Am I missing something obvious?

[Parkbandit]

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2014/08/pelosi-chases-republican-tom-marino-across-house-chamber/

Pelosi has fucking lost it. Granted, she didn't have much of a mind before, but whatever is left has up and left her.

[Tgo01]

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2014/08/pelosi-chases-republican-tom-marino-across-house-chamber/

Pelosi has fucking lost it. Granted, she didn't have much of a mind before, but whatever is left has up and left her.

She needs 5 weeks vacation, badly.

[Kembal]

Dems won't support the House Republican bill because it's apparently too punitive on the kids or something. (I know it changes the law to allow for rapid deportation, but not sure what else is problematic to them) It's also only a stop gap measure til the end of Sept.

Republicans won't support the proposed Senate Democratic bill b/c it doesn't make that change in law. (well, that's the substantive concern. I think they're just filibustering everything that comes up.)

In fairness, that type of policy change shouldn't be done on the fly. It needs hearings, because the protections were originally put into place to combat sex trafficking.

[Parkbandit]

Dems won't support the House Republican bill because it's apparently too punitive on the kids or something. (I know it changes the law to allow for rapid deportation, but not sure what else is problematic to them) It's also only a stop gap measure til the end of Sept.

Republicans won't support the proposed Senate Democratic bill b/c it doesn't make that change in law. (well, that's the substantive concern. I think they're just filibustering everything that comes up.)

In fairness, that type of policy change shouldn't be done on the fly. It needs hearings, because the protections were originally put into place to combat sex trafficking.

With the changes to procedure that Dirty Harry Reid put in place, they don't need the Republicans to support anything. They can't stop anything, Democrats have all the power. So, if it's stalled in the Senate, you have only 1 party to blame.

[Latrinsorm]

With the changes to procedure that Dirty Harry Reid put in place, they don't need the Republicans to support anything. They can't stop anything, Democrats have all the power. So, if it's stalled in the Senate, you have only 1 party to blame.It's scary that you actually believe this, especially when I already posted two procedural votes held on the bill in this very thread.

[ClydeR]

This is how the Latin press is reporting it..


The immigration crisis at the border pushed Republicans to vote for a new funding bill that will help pay for the processing of undocumented children crossing the border, according to The New York Times. However, to gather enough votes for the bill to pass, the Republican leadership conceded to its more extreme members's demands.

The second bill passed will freeze the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals and will work towards winding it down. If the bill is made into law, President Obama will not be able to add new children to the program, and those in the program will not be able to renew their status.

In effect, House Republicans have voted for the impending deportation of young undocumented immigrants known as DREAMers.

More... (http://www.latinpost.com/articles/18456/20140802/house-republicans-vote-to-end-daca-and-deport-dreamers.htm)

There was a lot of confusion among House members about whether or not the wording of the bill was retroactive. This article correctly reported its two effects on DREAMers. First, Obama cannot grant any new deferrals of deportation. Second, the bill does not require the immediate deportation of DREAMers. When the current DREAMers deferments expire two years after their deferment was granted, Obama cannot renew them. Since Obama got them to give him their names and addresses, when this bill passes he'll have to deport them within two years. SSC.

[ClydeR]

People should not confuse the issues of DREAMers with the illegal immigrant kids from Central America. It's two different things. One of the risks from Central America is the ebola..


The hordes of illegal immigrant minors entering the U.S. are bringing serious diseases—including swine flu, dengue fever, Ebola virus and tuberculosis—that present a danger to the American public as well as the Border Patrol agents forced to care for the kids, according to a U.S. Congressman who is also medical doctor.

This has created a “severe and dangerous” crisis, says the Georgia lawmaker, Phil Gingrey.

More... (http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2014/07/illegal-alien-minors-spreading-tb-ebola-dengue-swine-flu/)