NC lawmaker: Pedophilia is like homosexuality

[Methais]

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RALEIGH, NC (AP) -

As North Carolina lawmakers debated a proposal to prevent charter schools from discriminating against applicants based on sexual orientation, one representative suggested Tuesday that adult sexual attraction to children is a sexual orientation like homosexuality.

The amendment was tabled by Republicans, preventing a vote on it. But during the debate, Republican Rep. Paul Stam, R-Wake, said pedophilia, masochism and other illegal sexual practices are sexual orientations like homosexuality and he questioned the role adults who are sexually attracted to children might have in schools.

Several lawmakers called those comments offensive. After the House session, Twitter lit up with criticism of Stam's comments from other lawmakers and left-leaning advocacy groups.

The amendment from Rep. Susan Fisher, D-Buncombe, would "prohibit a charter school from discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity."

In response, Stam handed out a sheet listing what he said were 30 different sexual orientations. He argued the definition of sexual orientation must be narrowed, otherwise it would include masochism, sadism, pedophilia, along with homosexuality and heterosexuality.

"Sexual orientation is not defined anywhere," he said. "Many, many sexual orientations are not the ones you want to have teaching kids in schools," he said. "You may think you know what you mean by this but you don't."

Stam asked Fisher to take a question, and she refused. No one else in the chamber would either.

"Well I think the response speaks for itself," he said.

In rebuttal to Stam, Rep. Marcus Brandon, D-Guilford, argued that pedophilia is not a sexual orientation.

"It's offensive. Pedophilia is not a sexuality, it is a disease. It is a problem that has to be addressed outside of this body," he said. Brandon said the bigger issue in North Carolina is policies that treat some people as second-class citizens. "I don't think you should be able to do that," he added.

On its website, the American Psychological Association says sexual orientation "refers to an enduring pattern of emotional, romantic, and/or sexual attractions to men, women, or both sexes," and also refers to a person's sense of identity. It also says, "The American Psychological Association maintains that pedophilia is a mental disorder; that sex between adults and children is always wrong; and that acting on pedophilic impulses is and should be a criminal act."

An email request and phone call to Stam seeking comment was not immediately returned Tuesday night.

The House approved the changes to the charter school law, including making them subject to state open records law, allowing them to grow one grade level per year.

It also removed a provision prohibiting charter schools from discriminating against applications on the basis of ethnicity, national origin, gender or disability. And it allowed schools with single gender missions to limit admission on the basis of boys and girls, which the previous version had banned.

Charter school teachers also would be allowed to serve on the school's board of directors as non-voting members and make charter renewals valid for 10 years, unless specific conditions warrant a shorter charter.

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[Warriorbird]

Subject charter schools to the same tests state schools have to take and they'd vanish pretty fast. More stupid charter school nonsense is what offends me most here.

[Wrathbringer]

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RALEIGH, NC (AP) -

As North Carolina lawmakers debated a proposal to prevent charter schools from discriminating against applicants based on sexual orientation, one representative suggested Tuesday that adult sexual attraction to children is a sexual orientation like homosexuality.

The amendment was tabled by Republicans, preventing a vote on it. But during the debate, Republican Rep. Paul Stam, R-Wake, said pedophilia, masochism and other illegal sexual practices are sexual orientations like homosexuality and he questioned the role adults who are sexually attracted to children might have in schools.

Several lawmakers called those comments offensive. After the House session, Twitter lit up with criticism of Stam's comments from other lawmakers and left-leaning advocacy groups.

The amendment from Rep. Susan Fisher, D-Buncombe, would "prohibit a charter school from discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity."

In response, Stam handed out a sheet listing what he said were 30 different sexual orientations. He argued the definition of sexual orientation must be narrowed, otherwise it would include masochism, sadism, pedophilia, along with homosexuality and heterosexuality.

"Sexual orientation is not defined anywhere," he said. "Many, many sexual orientations are not the ones you want to have teaching kids in schools," he said. "You may think you know what you mean by this but you don't."

Stam asked Fisher to take a question, and she refused. No one else in the chamber would either.

"Well I think the response speaks for itself," he said.

In rebuttal to Stam, Rep. Marcus Brandon, D-Guilford, argued that pedophilia is not a sexual orientation.

"It's offensive. Pedophilia is not a sexuality, it is a disease. It is a problem that has to be addressed outside of this body," he said. Brandon said the bigger issue in North Carolina is policies that treat some people as second-class citizens. "I don't think you should be able to do that," he added.

On its website, the American Psychological Association says sexual orientation "refers to an enduring pattern of emotional, romantic, and/or sexual attractions to men, women, or both sexes," and also refers to a person's sense of identity. It also says, "The American Psychological Association maintains that pedophilia is a mental disorder; that sex between adults and children is always wrong; and that acting on pedophilic impulses is and should be a criminal act."

An email request and phone call to Stam seeking comment was not immediately returned Tuesday night.

The House approved the changes to the charter school law, including making them subject to state open records law, allowing them to grow one grade level per year.

It also removed a provision prohibiting charter schools from discriminating against applications on the basis of ethnicity, national origin, gender or disability. And it allowed schools with single gender missions to limit admission on the basis of boys and girls, which the previous version had banned.

Charter school teachers also would be allowed to serve on the school's board of directors as non-voting members and make charter renewals valid for 10 years, unless specific conditions warrant a shorter charter.

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Honestly, though. He's right. One perversion is as good as another.

[~Rocktar~]

Subject charter schools to the same tests state schools have to take and they'd vanish pretty fast. More stupid charter school nonsense is what offends me most here.

So, do you support the end of tenure, the ability to fire a teacher for various crimes (rape, child molestation and so on) and the ability of school systems to have performance based pay scales?

[Warriorbird]

So, do you support the end of tenure, the ability to fire a teacher for various crimes (rape, child molestation and so on) and the ability of school systems to have performance based pay scales?

I think performance based pay often results in crappy results and bad teaching but I both receive it and I teach in a system with no tenure. The idea that teachers somewhere can't be fired for crimes is more of that round the bend conservative fantasyland talk though.

[~Rocktar~]

I think performance based pay often results in crappy results and bad teaching but I both receive it and I teach in a system with no tenure. The idea that teachers somewhere can't be fired for crimes is more of that round the bend conservative fantasyland talk though.

There are multiple examples out there if you want to look, cause I am to busy to educate you and working, where a teacher is on the payroll for years after being convicted of some felony or another. The only fantasy land here is that people such as yourself say it doesn't happen. I don't say it's common, just enough to be a real pain in the ass. As to performance based pay, well, if your job is imparting knowledge and skills then the people on the receiving end can't demonstrate in any meaningful way that they have received any, who is to blame?

[Warriorbird]

There are multiple examples out there if you want to look, cause I am to busy to educate you and working, where a teacher is on the payroll for years after being convicted of some felony or another. The only fantasy land here is that people such as yourself say it doesn't happen. I don't say it's common, just enough to be a real pain in the ass. As to performance based pay, well, if your job is imparting knowledge and skills then the people on the receiving end can't demonstrate in any meaningful way that they have received any, who is to blame?

We have to do background checks at every re-licensing. That may take a while but I think Virginia does a good job. I have coworkers who are excellent teachers. Just because their students who were going to fail to begin with don't pass, should they be fired? Do we put another teacher in, then, and doom them to repeat the process?

A lot of the whole testing process is in the pocket of companies that have cushy consulting contracts each time a district fails. Success certainly isn't in their interests. Our lowest performing schools haven't improved with performance based pay. I would gladly reject my extra 3-4 grand a year for an improved system or a system without it.

[Jarvan]

I think performance based pay often results in crappy results and bad teaching but I both receive it and I teach in a system with no tenure. The idea that teachers somewhere can't be fired for crimes is more of that round the bend conservative fantasyland talk though.

New York City. Enough Said.

[Jarvan]

As to the original Post....

I got to say that I think Pedophilia is wrong. Period. (Not an Obama Period mind you)

That being said... how long ago was it that we classified homosexuality as a mental disorder? That it was something to treat?

We have moved on from that and it is not a "choice" it is how you are born, and it's perfectly ok. It's no longer a Moral issue.

Frankly, that's the same thing with Pedophilia really. It really is a moral issue. You could argue, very easily and successfully, that through 99% of Human History, "pedophilia" was socially accepted and the norm. During the same period, Homosexuality was commonplace as well, if not strictly "accepted". It's only the last 200 odd years at most where pedophilia has become "wrong" and a crime. This doesn't make it right mind you, I am just pointing out it is entirely a "Moral" issue. As a matter of fact, if our world suffered a travesty and resulted in a VERY large population loss (Think plague with say 1-2% survival rate) Pedophilia would be in perfectly acceptable.

This guy was a douche bag tho, he was trying to link Pedos with Homos. Not the right way to go about it.

But if you are going to argue that one wiring of the brain that makes you desire the same sex is not a mental disorder, then you have to argue that another wiring of the brain that makes you desire kids is not one as well. Frankly, it's human nature. (20,000 years of Human nature at least)

[Jarvan]

How long exactly did they have a Republican mayor in the last 30 years?

How exactly does that have anything to do with unions? Are you saying a republican mayor could have disbanded the unions and fired the teachers?

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/08/31/090831fa_fact_brill


"The city’s contract with their union, the United Federation of Teachers, requires that charges against them be heard by an arbitrator, and until the charges are resolved—the process is often endless—they will continue to draw their salaries and accrue pensions and other benefits."

That part has been in there LONG before any Recent Republican mayor. And it's not something that anyone could take out.

[Warriorbird]

How exactly does that have anything to do with unions? Are you saying a republican mayor could have disbanded the unions and fired the teachers?

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/08/31/090831fa_fact_brill

That part has been in there LONG before any Recent Republican mayor. And it's not something that anyone could take out.

Two of the most powerful mayors in American history could've if they'd campaigned on it. City level legislation is very achievable no matter what silly policies are put in.

[Jarvan]

Two of the most powerful mayors in American history could've if they'd campaigned on it. City level legislation is very achievable no matter what silly policies are put in.

So what you are saying is you think the city should not have had school forever. Because I think we BOTH know that there is no way in hell any Union would give up it's arbitration clause, not to mention the continuing pay. Face it, Unions abuse the fuck out of the system so they can get more money.

[Warriorbird]

So what you are saying is you think the city should not have had school forever. Because I think we BOTH know that there is no way in hell any Union would give up it's arbitration clause, not to mention the continuing pay. Face it, Unions abuse the fuck out of the system so they can get more money.

The point is that with city level constitutional changes you wouldn't have had this level of messing around. I don't know why neither Bloomberg or Giuliani did it. They had the votes. It's one of those things that only Republicans could've done. It's with the national id card in my mind as a Republicans could've done it boondoggle.

[Jarvan]

The point is that with city level constitutional changes you wouldn't have had this level of messing around. I don't know why neither Bloomberg or Giuliani did it. They had the votes. It's one of those things that only Republicans could've done. It's with the national id card in my mind as a Republicans could've done it boondoggle.

I don't think you understand. It wouldn't have been a matter of "votes". It's in the Union Contract. It's not something the unions would have given up. Hence, if they wanted to get rid of it, they would have either not had schooling anymore in NYC, or would have had to break the union. Guess which one is more likely.

[Warriorbird]

I don't think you understand. It wouldn't have been a matter of "votes". It's in the Union Contract. It's not something the unions would have given up. Hence, if they wanted to get rid of it, they would have either not had schooling anymore in NYC, or would have had to break the union. Guess which one is more likely.

You don't get what Republicans (and Rahm Emanuel) have threatened to do since Citizens United, do you? Break the contracts, employee strikebreakers, and make laws that make them illegal in cities and states. Either could've done it early. Nobody really understands educational reform though, so maybe its a good thing somehow. Those kids still do better than Chicago which is chock full of charter schools.

[Thondalar]

Honestly, though. He's right. One perversion is as good as another.

Totes. The only distinction I would make here is that there is a very real difference, effectively, between what two consenting adults choose to do with each other and what an adult chooses to do with a child. Let me preface this by saying, I personally don't give a damn what two consenting adults want to do with each other. It's not my place to judge, and It's not my place (nor the State's place)to tell consenting adults what they can or can't do in the privacy of their own bedroom. With that being said, homosexuality isn't "normal". If it was, Homo Sapiens would reproduce asexually, or simply not exist anymore. I think the attempts to make it "normal" are what's holding the LGBT community back...it causes resentment that probably wouldn't otherwise exist. Imo, the more enlightened position would be "of course it's not normal, but who gives a shit?"

[Dwaar]

Does this mean I can start banging my pet goat again? Or is that still considered illegal and wrong?

This is getting so confusing.

[Androidpk]

Does this mean I can start banging my pet goat again? Or is that still considered illegal and wrong?

This is getting so confusing.

As if you ever stopped. Lights out goat fucker!