All That Voter ID and Disenfranchisement May Be The Wrong Strategy For Republicans

[Warriorbird]

This is hilariously awesome. I like what it suggests may have pulled this race off.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/it-looks-like-african-americans-really-did-help-thad-cochran-win/

[Jarvan]

You like open primary voting? So you would be ok with open primary voting for the presidential elections so 50% of republicans could vote for say... Biden as president?

I think Open primaries are stupid. I also think a Republican basically begging Dems to help him defeat a challenger he technically already lost to is even sadder.

I know you hate the republican party.. I know you love to see anything that would knock down a conservative.. I also know you love the idea of someone saying they will increase government spending. (the dude ran on bringing home the pork for his people.. wtf) But how can you see this as a good thing? Not to mention... WTF does this have to do with voter ID laws, hell.. this is one of the better reasons why there SHOULD be voter ID laws.

Steve is a Dem and didn't vote in the Dem Primary... John is a Republican and knows Steve didn't vote. John votes for Steve in the Repub Primary. Our system at work! (Yeah, this probably does happen. Can you prove it does? Not unless you asked every single person that voted if they voted... with an ID law.. it is a moot point.)

Not to mention.. how can anyone be happy that someone that has already spent 36 years in office won again?

[Latrinsorm]

Not to mention.. how can anyone be happy that someone that has already spent 36 years in office won again?Speaking for myself, because I don't assume that work experience is a bad thing.

[Jarvan]

Speaking for myself, because I don't assume that work experience is a bad thing.

Speaking for myself, because I don't think anyone should be in office for 3-4 decades.

[Warriorbird]

The open primary was less the issue compared to the acquiring votes through voter turnout. Don't you think he'll pick up some of those people's votes in the general election?

[Androidpk]

Rand Paul has been working on getting the minority and disenfranchised vote. Will be interesting to see how that pays off for him.

[Warriorbird]

I think it might pay off quite well indeed.

[kutter]

The open primary was less the issue compared to the acquiring votes through voter turnout. Don't you think he'll pick up some of those people's votes in the general election?

Not only will he not pick up those votes, but there is a very real chance he will not get the votes from the McDaniels voters either, at least not all of them, making what should be a solidly red seat susceptible to flipping. He did what was best for him but not what was best for the party, funny how a politician that has been in D.C for more than 3 decades only cares about staying in D.C.

[Warriorbird]

Not only will he not pick up those votes, but there is a very real chance he will not get the votes from the McDaniels voters either, at least not all of them, making what should be a solidly red seat susceptible to flipping. He did what was best for him but not what was best for the party, funny how a politician that has been in D.C for more than 3 decades only cares about staying in D.C.

We'll see. Tea Party primary victories have produced a number of general election losses.

[Parkbandit]

This is hilariously awesome. I like what it suggests may have pulled this race off.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/it-looks-like-african-americans-really-did-help-thad-cochran-win/

I'm not understanding the topic of this thread. You believe voter ID and disenfranchisement made more black people come out and vote for a longstanding Republican?

[Warriorbird]

I'm not understanding the topic of this thread. You believe voter ID and disenfranchisement made more black people come out and vote for a longstanding Republican?

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/164/610/alg_bill_clinton_hand_over_face.jpg

No. I believe active get out the vote efforts and working with the historically disenfranchised won this guy his primary and will carry over to the general election.

[kutter]

But to Parkbandits point, doesn't this story sort of prove that there is no disenfranchisement? I mean, Mississippi has a voter ID law after all.

[Warriorbird]

But to Parkbandits point, doesn't this story sort of prove that there is no disenfranchisement? I mean, Mississippi has a voter ID law after all.

Let's think about that for a moment. If he hadn't actively helped people get to the polls, he wouldn't have won. This isn't political football about voter id.

[Vorpos]

In November those Democrat voters won't leave the house unless a black person is running for office or there is free shit given away.

[Warriorbird]

We'll see. You can gratify your stereotypes if he fails.

[Kembal]

Technically, if those new voters in the runoff didn't vote in the Democratic Primary earlier, it is perfectly ok for them to vote in the runoff (in Texas, that'd make them a registered Republican for the year. Not sure if that's the case in MS). Cochran saw his opportunity and went for it.

Closed primaries are bad, bad things.

[Dwaar]

ID - required to drive
ID - required to buy liquor
ID - required to rent a car
ID - required to enter a bar
ID - required to buy cigarettes
ID - required to apply for a loan
ID - required to rent a house
ID - required to Vote

Wait... something is wrong here... You're trying to take away our freedom!!!!

Bunch of imbeciles.

[Dwaar]

I just realized after I wrote the post above... I should read the thread and not just the title of the thread... /smack forehead.

[Tgo01]

To sign up for Obamacare you have to give your full name, full social security number, full address, full income status and tell them all about your medical history.

To vote all you have to do is provide a signature.

Something is wrong here.

[Parkbandit]

Let's think about that for a moment. If he hadn't actively helped people get to the polls, he wouldn't have won. This isn't political football about voter id.

Which is why I questioned your thread title. You are right, it has nothing to do with Voter ID or the evil disenfranchisement... yet you named this thread that.

[Warriorbird]

Which is why I questioned your thread title. You are right, it has nothing to do with Voter ID or the evil disenfranchisement... yet you named this thread that.

My suggestion was that those maybe weren't the best strategies, given this guy is winning by getting out people who don't typically vote in primaries. Rand Paul's attempting similar on a national scale. We'll see if it works.

[Vorpos]

He won because he paid the NAACP to bus people in. They probably don't even know who they voted for. Find a name and number of someone in that district and ask them who they voted for.

[Kembal]

He won because he paid the NAACP to bus people in. They probably don't even know who they voted for. Find a name and number of someone in that district and ask them who they voted for.

Right, because the NAACP is going to risk their 501(c)(3) status to coordinate with a political campaign. :rolleyes: And, oh, there's black people already living in MS. No need to bus anyone.

[Parkbandit]

Right, because the NAACP is going to risk their 501(c)(3) status to coordinate with a political campaign.

Oh yes.. our Justice Department will look right into that.........


And, oh, there's black people already living in MS. No need to bus anyone.

I think he's talking from their homes to the actual polling station.. not from out of state into MS.

[Vorpos]

Right, because the NAACP is going to risk their 501(c)(3) status to coordinate with a political campaign. :rolleyes: And, oh, there's black people already living in MS. No need to bus anyone.

Right, because Eric Holder and his JustUs Department will get right on that.

[Methais]

Speaking for myself, because I don't assume that work experience is a bad thing.

Politicians work?

[Wrathbringer]

Politicians work?

Their constituents.

[Methais]

Their constituents.

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[Kembal]

Oh yes.. our Justice Department will look right into that.........

Actually, IRS takes that one. I know they have zero credibility with you at the moment, so it's not really a response to your argument. I just happen to know this since I sit on the board of a 501(c)(3) and on the board of a PAC that's independent, but works on the same issues as the 501(c)(3). I'm extremely careful about making sure they're not conflated. I'd assume the NAACP would be smart enough to do the same.

From what I remember reading, the Cochran campaign paid an African-American community organizer/political consultant that was affiliated with a certain church, not the NAACP.



I think he's talking from their homes to the actual polling station.. not from out of state into MS.

Ah. I saw nothing about busing voters to polls in any article. I did see the flyer that were being used to urge African-Americans to vote for Cochran.


It helps to remember that national Dems aren't happy about this. They wanted McDaniel to win so they could have a shot at picking up the seat in November.

[Wrathbringer]

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LOL That thing's face is killing me right now.

[Jarvan]

The open primary was less the issue compared to the acquiring votes through voter turnout. Don't you think he'll pick up some of those people's votes in the general election?

No. He will get almost ZERO Black votes in the general election. He is Republican. Blacks vote primarily for Dems. Period. He may get like 1% more, which is really meaningless.

[Vorpos]

Actually, IRS takes that one. I know they have zero credibility with you at the moment, so it's not really a response to your argument. I just happen to know this since I sit on the board of a 501(c)(3) and on the board of a PAC that's independent, but works on the same issues as the 501(c)(3). I'm extremely careful about making sure they're not conflated. I'd assume the NAACP would be smart enough to do the same.

From what I remember reading, the Cochran campaign paid an African-American community organizer/political consultant that was affiliated with a certain church, not the NAACP.




Ah. I saw nothing about busing voters to polls in any article. I did see the flyer that were being used to urge African-Americans to vote for Cochran.


It helps to remember that national Dems aren't happy about this. They wanted McDaniel to win so they could have a shot at picking up the seat in November.

Bussing them in was actually just a figure of speech. If it's possible to do write ins the Tea Party will most likely try to pull a Murkowski.

[Jarvan]

Not only will he not pick up those votes, but there is a very real chance he will not get the votes from the McDaniels voters either, at least not all of them, making what should be a solidly red seat susceptible to flipping. He did what was best for him but not what was best for the party, funny how a politician that has been in D.C for more than 3 decades only cares about staying in D.C.

Which is why WB is so freaking happy about this.

[Wrathbringer]

No. He will get almost ZERO Black votes in the general election. He is Republican. Blacks vote primarily for Dems. Period. He may get like 1% more, which is really meaningless.

Wow, that was racist.

[Jarvan]

Technically, if those new voters in the runoff didn't vote in the Democratic Primary earlier, it is perfectly ok for them to vote in the runoff (in Texas, that'd make them a registered Republican for the year. Not sure if that's the case in MS). Cochran saw his opportunity and went for it.

Closed primaries are bad, bad things.

Closed Primaries are good, good things. Open Primaries allow for parties to try to sway the other candidate they will be facing. Like I said.. imagine if 50% of the Republicans picked Joe Biden for the Dem Primary if they could... Course then Dems would pick Rick Santorum and we would all be fucked.

[Kembal]

Bussing them in was actually just a figure of speech. If it's possible to do write ins the Tea Party will most likely try to pull a Murkowski.

LOL, ok. I'll accept that. There's no question that the Cochran campaign pushed really hard to get the African-American/traditional Democratic vote to crossover. The shocking thing to me was that it worked, which meant they were extremely uncomfortable with the idea of a Senator McDaniel.

I think a write-in campaign is legal in MS w/o any special requirements, so we could see that happen. If I'm Cochran, I've got to hang on to this crossover vote to survive...I start pushing for a new preclearance formula for the VRA. That'll be the only thing that'll keep those voters instead of them going to support the Dem.

[Jarvan]

Actually, IRS takes that one. I know they have zero credibility with you at the moment, so it's not really a response to your argument. I just happen to know this since I sit on the board of a 501(c)(3) and on the board of a PAC that's independent, but works on the same issues as the 501(c)(3). I'm extremely careful about making sure they're not conflated. I'd assume the NAACP would be smart enough to do the same.

From what I remember reading, the Cochran campaign paid an African-American community organizer/political consultant that was affiliated with a certain church, not the NAACP.




Ah. I saw nothing about busing voters to polls in any article. I did see the flyer that were being used to urge African-Americans to vote for Cochran.


It helps to remember that national Dems aren't happy about this. They wanted McDaniel to win so they could have a shot at picking up the seat in November.

NAACP already does this in a sense. They endorse (directly or indirectly) Dem candidates. I have never heard of them endorsing a Black Republican. Maybe someone could dig one up tho. The NAACP is Political already.

[Kembal]

Closed Primaries are good, good things. Open Primaries allow for parties to try to sway the other candidate they will be facing. Like I said.. imagine if 50% of the Republicans picked Joe Biden for the Dem Primary if they could... Course then Dems would pick Rick Santorum and we would all be fucked.

Won't matter in 2016. Republicans will have a wide-open primary, so none of them will crossover to a Dem primary. Even if Biden doesn't run, there's going to be a couple of governors that will attempt to run, so there will be enough of a race til at least Super Tuesday. (And if Biden runs, that campaign will go for a while.)

What I believe in is that you have open primaries (you don't have to register beforehand), but once you do vote in a party's primary, you're a registered member of that party for the year. I voted in the Republican primary in 2012 b/c I was trying to get two moderate Republicans elected to state-level offices. (both lost, sadly) I went back to the Democratic primary for 2014. The Texas GOP mailed me a party membership card for 2014 after the primary. I mailed it right back, told them I voted in the Democratic primary, and that they needed to take me off their list.

open primaries allow moderates to win in this day and age. Otherwise, all you'd get are super-liberals and super-conservatives running for office. There's a reason why Tea Party activists prefer state nominating conventions as opposed to primaries....they have a better chance of installing their favored candidates as the nominees.

[Vorpos]

LOL, ok. I'll accept that. There's no question that the Cochran campaign pushed really hard to get the African-American/traditional Democratic vote to crossover. The shocking thing to me was that it worked, which meant they were extremely uncomfortable with the idea of a Senator McDaniel.

I think a write-in campaign is legal in MS w/o any special requirements, so we could see that happen. If I'm Cochran, I've got to hang on to this crossover vote to survive...I start pushing for a new preclearance formula for the VRA. That'll be the only thing that'll keep those voters instead of them going to support the Dem.

I think Cochran has this in the bag no matter what happens. Haley Barbour is too dirty and won't let him lose the seat. I've heard rumors that Cochran will retire in a year and Barbour's nephew will take the seat.

[Kembal]

NAACP already does this in a sense. They endorse (directly or indirectly) Dem candidates. I have never heard of them endorsing a Black Republican. Maybe someone could dig one up tho. The NAACP is Political already.

Can you pull up a list of said endorsements coming from the NAACP? I've never seen one, but if you have, I'd like to look at it. (this isn't for argument's sake...like I said, I'm on the board of a 501(c)(3). I'm curious about this stuff.)

[Dwaar]

You people are crazy... everyone knows blacks can't vote, because of Voter ID laws.

Republican powers activate!!!!

[Methais]

LOL That thing's face is killing me right now.

Like this?
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