Slow Drivers in the Left Lane

[Dwaar]

Was coming home from work today.

This really, really annoys me. Wish there was a phone number to call and report people, so they receive a ticket in the mail for their ineptitude!

[Candor]

Many years ago I was in a carpool with someone who would drive in the left lane on the freeway at 55MPH, on purpose. He felt that somehow this made a statement to everyone else what the speed limit was on the road.

I got out of that carpool...

[Tenlaar]

By "slow drivers" do you actually mean "people driving the speed limit?"

[SHAFT]

If you're not driving at least 75 in the far left lane or the carpool lane, you should get the fuck over. If you want to drive 65 or whatever the speed limit is you should be all the way to the right. 10 miles an hour over the posted speed limit is acceptable. Cops won't usually pull you over for it and you can slow down to 70ish if you happen to see a cop.

[Tisket]

By "slow drivers" do you actually mean "people driving the speed limit?"

You don't drive the speed limit in the fucking passing lane. Get to the fucking right.

[Tisket]

Damn you, Shaft!

[Candor]

By "slow drivers" do you actually mean "people driving the speed limit?"

The number one rule of the road is to drive safely. Driving 55MPH in the left lane on the freeway, barring bad weather or some other mitigating factor, is not driving safely.

[SHAFT]

Sorry, this is something I'm passionate about. Slow drivers bother me. Can't say I'm shocked you agree.

[Taernath]

If you're not driving at least 75 in the far left lane or the carpool lane, you should get the fuck over.

Hey now, carpool lane isn't a passing lane. If people want to only go the speed limit there they can.

[Keller]

If you're driving the left lane, and not passing someone, you should get a ticket. I don't care whether you're going 40 or 90 mph.

[Wrathbringer]

I've been pulled over 125+ times and have received 75+ tickets, and none of them were for going too slow in any lane. Never heard of anyone getting a ticket for this. It's obviously a hard ticket to get or I'd have one.

[Tenlaar]

In many states it is already illegal to use the left lane while not passing.

Know what that doesn't change? The speed limit on the road.

[Flap]

Tailgating (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tailgating) is worse. Chill the fuck out, 10 or 20 miles per hour difference is not going to save you a lot of time, unless you're driving for hours. If you are driving for hours, the person slowing you down probably won't be impassible for a statistically significant amount of time.

[Tenlaar]

The number one rule of the road is to drive safely. Driving 55MPH in the left lane on the freeway, barring bad weather or some other mitigating factor, is not driving safely.

Your argument is based upon the fact that people are trying to speed in the left lane. Speeding is against the law.

[Wrathbringer]

In many states it is already illegal to use the left lane while not passing.

Know what that doesn't change? The speed limit on the road.

You're that guy, aren't you.

[Tenlaar]

That guy who uses the left lane for passing and actually follows the speed limit?

Yes I am. You should be too.

[leifastagsweed]

WA State Patrol is cracking down on this right now: http://q13fox.com/2014/05/28/left-lane-violations/#axzz34MpiJvIv

[leifastagsweed]

I've been pulled over 125+ times and have received 75+ tickets, and none of them were for going too slow in any lane. Never heard of anyone getting a ticket for this. It's obviously a hard ticket to get or I'd have one.

LOLWUT? This deserves a story.

[Keller]

I've been pulled over 125+ times and have received 75+ tickets, and none of them were for going too slow in any lane. Never heard of anyone getting a ticket for this. It's obviously a hard ticket to get or I'd have one.

How much is your car insurance?

[Wrathbringer]

LOLWUT? This deserves a story.

Not much to tell. The rules just simply don't apply to me.


How much is your car insurance?

What car insurance?

[Ker_Thwap]

Tailgating (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tailgating) is worse. Chill the fuck out, 10 or 20 miles per hour difference is not going to save you a lot of time, unless you're driving for hours. If you are driving for hours, the person slowing you down probably won't be impassible for a statistically significant amount of time.

Yep, I'm a much happier driver since I relaxed and realized this. I still drive about 15 over the limit when conditions permit, I just don't stress when some twit slows me down for a few minutes.

My recent long distance trip driving my dad and his wife... I'm driving the center lane, using the left only to pass. The annoying old lady tells me she just does the speed limit in the left lane all the way from Florida to Kansas as "they can just pass on the right if they want to." So, as the trip progresses, she complained about slow drivers in the left lane, roughly about 15 times. I chortled.

[Tgo01]

The annoying old lady tells me she just does the speed limit in the left lane all the way from Florida to Kansas as "they can just pass on the right if they want to."

I hope to God you smacked her.

Okay, not really.

But really, do it.

Do it now.

[Flap]

Yep, I'm a much happier driver since I relaxed and realized this.

Exactly. That fact, coupled with the multitude of uncontrollable factors that can limit your average speed, makes speeding pretty pointless. Plus, if you're driving in a city, a lot of traffic lights are timed according to the speed limits. Less sitting at red lights, more coasting through green lights like a bawss and, better fuel efficiency. The speed limit is where it's at. It's cool to follow the rules!

[Allereli]

The speed limit is where it's at. It's cool to follow the rules!

only when the speed limit is 70+

[Tgo01]

People can do the speed limit all they want; in the slow lane.

The people that actually scare me are the crazies who insist on passing me in the oncoming traffic lane because I'm doing a few miles under the speed limit in bad weather. It never fails either, I can be doing 45 in a 50 when it's pouring down rain and sure enough some maniac will pass me doing 70.

[SHAFT]

If you're driving the left lane, and not passing someone, you should get a ticket. I don't care whether you're going 40 or 90 mph.

Agree with this as well.

As far as the carpool lane goes, no. Speed the fuck up in the carpool lane.

If you're in dead stop traffic but the carpool lane is open, I agree. Slower is probably better. But if the carpool lane is going slower than the far right lanes and there isn't traffic, why even be in it?

[Androidpk]

I can't stand tailgaters. One of the only times I've yelled at a girl was because of this. She is speeding on the highway, right up on peoples asses with me in the passenger seat. I keep asking her to slow down and put some distance between us and the truck in front of us. Finally I flipped and said, "pull the fucking cat over right now, I'm driving."

Few months after that she hit someone, flipped her car, and is now paralyzed.

[Ker_Thwap]

I can't stand tailgaters. One of the only times I've yelled at a girl was because of this. She is speeding on the highway, right up on peoples asses with me in the passenger seat. I keep asking her to slow down and put some distance between us and the truck in front of us. Finally I flipped and said, "pull the fucking cat over right now, I'm driving."

Few months after that she hit someone, flipped her car, and is now paralyzed.

When my daughter was learning to drive she'd tailgate a lot. As she was creeping up closer... I told her to floor it, If you want to drive someone off the road and kill them, you're going to need a lot more speed.

[Androidpk]

As I said, I like cats..

http://lokwi.com/upl/1391.jpg (http://lokwi.com/upl/1391.jpg)

[Tenlaar]

People can do the speed limit all they want; in the slow lane.

There is no such thing. Every lane on the road has the same speed limit.

Where are all the "personal responsibility" people in this thread talking about how you shouldn't endanger the lives of people on the road so that you can avoid leaving your house five minutes earlier?

[Warriorbird]

Speeding doesn't endanger people as much as distractions/intoxicants/poor lane decisions do.

[Tgo01]

There is no such thing. Every lane on the road has the same speed limit.

Not when I'm on the road!

I like to go about 4 miles over the speed limit. I can stand people doing the speed limit but that's hardly ever the case. Instead they'll do like 3 miles under the speed limit (or even slower!), and since I want to go about 4 miles over the speed limit that means that fucker in front of me is making me go almost 10 miles slower than I want to do and I just want to punch them.

[Warriorbird]

I didn't like traffic back when I had to deal with it. Not an issue any more. I like small towns/cities.

[Androidpk]

Speeding doesn't endanger people as much as distractions/intoxicants/poor lane decisions do.

Apparently this is true. I'm gonna have to hunt for the article now to remember the precise details but some state highway, Michigan or Minnesota had no speed limit. When they enacted speed limits the rate of accidents jumped up. They said with no limit or a higher limit people tend to be more aware of their surroundings and there was a higher percentage of people wearing a seatbelt.

[Tenlaar]

Speeding doesn't endanger people as much as distractions/intoxicants/poor lane decisions do.

Firing a gun out of your window while you drive endangers people more than speeding too, what's your point?

And again, "poor lane decision" only endangers people when somebody comes flying up the left lane going 20+ miles over the speed limit. Which, as I may have pointed out already, is the same speed limit as the rest of the road.

[Warriorbird]

Firing a gun out of your window while you drive endangers people more than speeding too, what's your point?

And again, "poor lane decision" only endangers people when somebody comes flying up the left lane going 20+ miles over the speed limit. Which, as I may have pointed out already, is the same speed limit as the rest of the road.

What was meant was more questionable merges/failing to get over appropriately. That doesn't have to do with speeding. All sorts of things are counter intuitive in accident space. Stoplight cameras cause accidents.

[Gelston]

I've seen someone pulled over for going too slow before(Sometimes there are minimum speed limit signs) and also for driving in the right lane and not passing folks. In Texas there are signs all over that the left lane is for passing only.

[Ker_Thwap]

There is no such thing. Every lane on the road has the same speed limit.

Where are all the "personal responsibility" people in this thread talking about how you shouldn't endanger the lives of people on the road so that you can avoid leaving your house five minutes earlier?

I stated something to the effect of "when conditions permit I speed." I'm never late, I speed for fun, not to keep to my schedule. If you're camping the left lane with the belief that you're a self appointed hall monitor keeping the roads safe for Democracy, then you're very very wrong.

[Dwaar]

I miss the autobahn and cruising at 125mph.

[Wrathbringer]

If we had a moderator, they could put this thread in the proper folder. Oh well.

[Tgo01]

I miss the autobahn and cruising at 125mph.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2E5AHhW2PAw

[Tenlaar]

I stated something to the effect of "when conditions permit I speed." I'm never late, I speed for fun, not to keep to my schedule. If you're camping the left lane with the belief that you're a self appointed hall monitor keeping the roads safe for Democracy, then you're very very wrong.

I don't "camp" in any lane. I go into the left lane to pass, I get back over, and I drive the fucking speed limit. If you want to "speed for fun" then go somewhere that you aren't endangering other peoples lives to do it, that way you're the only one that dies in a horrible fiery ball of death and destruction.

[Gelston]

I don't "camp" in any lane. I go into the left lane to pass, I get back over, and I drive the fucking speed limit. If you want to "speed for fun" then go somewhere that you aren't endangering other peoples lives to do it, that way you're the only one that dies in a horrible fiery ball of death and destruction.

I'd say on some roads, going the speed limit in the left or center lane is endangering people's lives. The I5 comes to mind. EVERYONE on the SoCal part of that road is going about 15 over. I was driving down the right lane passing someone once, I was going 20 over, I see in my rearview, motorcycle cop right on my ass. I pass the guy I was passing, and begin to start pulling over, because I was damn sure I was getting a ticket. NOPE! Motorcycle cop flies by.

[Tgo01]

I'd say on some roads, going the speed limit in the left or center lane is endangering people's lives. The I5 comes to mind. EVERYONE on the SoCal part of that road is going about 15 over. I was driving down the right lane passing someone once, I was going 20 over, I see in my rearview, motorcycle cop right on my ass. I pass the guy I was passing, and begin to start pulling over, because I was damn sure I was getting a ticket. NOPE! Motorcycle cop flies by.

I was driving on a highway I had never been on before...I want to say it was in Illinois...and the posted speed limit was 65 but holy fuck! I don't think a single car on that highway was going under 80, and I'm not even exaggerating for effect.

I got into the far right lane, figuring people in that lane would at the most be doing the speed limit but no. I was going 70 and cars were whizzing past me on the left over and over again, just a constant stream of cars pulling up right on my ass, getting in the left lane and passing me.

That experience actually scared me a little because this wasn't like a sparsely populated highway; it was practically bumper to bumper in all lanes with everyone going at least 80.

[Methais]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZhdvl_P1Zc

[Tenlaar]

I'd say on some roads, going the speed limit in the left or center lane is endangering people's lives. The I5 comes to mind. EVERYONE on the SoCal part of that road is going about 15 over.

Incorrect sir! It is the people that are speeding who are the problem, not the person going the speed limit.

If people weren't speeding nobody would notice the guy going the speed limit.

[Tgo01]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZhdvl_P1Zc

That was fucking awesome.

[Dwaar]

That was fucking awesome.

HAHAHAHA.... to all you people that just drive the speed limit in the left lane. Be on the lookout, the PoPo be watching!

[JackWhisper]

PULL OVER TO THE RIGHT. WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW IS I AM NOT GIVING YOU A TICKET. I JUST WANT YOU TO FUCKING GET INTO THE GRANNY LANE, MORON!

*drives off* GOD. Fucking idiots...

[Androidpk]

I had this happen to me, except I was in the middle lane and I was doing 5 over. Cop speeds up behind me, turns on his lights and I pull over into the next lane and I'm checking to see if I can pull over to the side of the road when he roars past me and shouts out his window, PULL OVER!. Then he kept on driving leaving me super confused. Fuck North Carolina.

[Rucca]

You know, I've always disliked people who drove slow/or the speed limit in the left lane. The left lane is for passing and going a bit speedier than the right lane. And then, I moved to fucking Tennessee. Jesus H. Christ. Now I am just happy if they even drive the speed limit here. The road I take to work is a single lane, which makes me want to road rage anyway, but being stuck twenty minutes behind someone who goes 15 miles BELOW the speed limit? Every damn day. I am also one of those people who has awesome luck and ends up behind these weenies. Every single time.

[SHAFT]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZhdvl_P1Zc

Brilliant! The guy talking should have his tongue removed however.

[Tenlaar]

The left lane is for passing and going a bit speedier than the right lane.

EVERY LANE IS FOR GOING THE SPEED LIMIT YOU FUCKS AAARRRAAGAGHGHRHH

[Wrathbringer]

EVERY LANE IS FOR GOING THE SPEED LIMIT YOU FUCKS AAARRRAAGAGHGHRHH

LOL

[Rucca]

EVERY LANE IS FOR GOING THE SPEED LIMIT YOU FUCKS AAARRRAAGAGHGHRHH

This is why you are a weenieEEEIEIEIEIEIEIEIEIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

[Methais]

I think he means that no lanes are for going below the speed limit.

If I were a cop I would do shit like that all day and nothing else until I got fired for not stealing money from enough people that are committing victimless crimes.

[Glitch]

http://www.mit.edu/~jfc/right.html

Most states follow the Uniform Vehicle Code and require drivers to keep right if they are going slower than the normal speed of traffic (regardless of the speed limit; see below).

[Candor]

As I said, I like cats..

http://lokwi.com/upl/1391.jpg (http://lokwi.com/upl/1391.jpg)

I like cats too. But if that's your car, you need help...

[Tenlaar]

I think he means that no lanes are for going below the speed limit.

No lanes are for going below the speed limit unless there are driving hazards or inclement weather, in which case all lanes are for going below the speed limit.

No lanes are ever for going above the speed limit.

[Androidpk]

No lanes are for going below the speed limit unless there are driving hazards or inclement weather or there's a cop on the road and everyone feels the need to drive slower than the limit because they get scared.

This too.

[Rucca]

No lanes are for going below the speed limit unless there are driving hazards or inclement weather, in which case all lanes are for going below the speed limit.

No lanes are ever for going above the speed limit.

The Uniform Vehicle Code states:

Upon all roadways any vehicle proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing shall be driven in the right-hand lane then available for traffic ...

Note that this law refers to the "normal" speed of traffic, not the "legal" speed of traffic. The 60 MPH driver in a 55 MPH zone where everybody else is going 65 MPH must move right. Contrast Alaska's rule, 13 AAC 002.50, allowing vehicles driving at the speed limit to use the left lane, and Colorado rev. stat. 42-4-1103, prohibiting blocking the "normal and reasonable" movement of traffic.

(Enforcement for failing to keep right while at or above the speed limit is variable. Toledo police have ticketed truck drivers for driving at the 60 MPH speed limit in the left lane. Police looking for criminal activity are aware of the "keep right" law and will use it as an excuse to stop a suspicious car. On the other hand, a New York judge announced that he would not convict drivers for blocking speeding traffic, People v. Ilieveski, 175 Misc. 2d 943; 670 N.Y.S.2d 1004 (Monroe County N.Y. 1998), and most police find speeding easier and more profitable to enforce.)

[Gelston]

No lanes are for going below the speed limit unless there are driving hazards or inclement weather, in which case all lanes are for going below the speed limit.

No lanes are ever for going above the speed limit.

There are laws and then there is common human decency. If the car behind you is going faster and you are in the left lane, move the fuck over.

[Androidpk]

I like cats too. But if that's your car, you need help...

It's not my car it's my cat :D

[Jarvan]

If you're not driving at least 75 in the far left lane or the carpool lane, you should get the fuck over. If you want to drive 65 or whatever the speed limit is you should be all the way to the right. 10 miles an hour over the posted speed limit is acceptable. Cops won't usually pull you over for it and you can slow down to 70ish if you happen to see a cop.

Cops may not bother you, but doing 75 in the left lane is still a violation of the law. I was taught in school that the left lane is to pass those not doing the speed limit, not to speed.

[Androidpk]

Cops may not bother you, but doing 75 in the left lane is still a violation of the law. I was taught in school that the left lane is to pass those not doing the speed limit, not to speed.

Apparently in some states you can only drive in the left lane in order to pass someone, which doesn't make sense to me.

[Gelston]

I think the general consensus is that the left lane is for passing, the right is for driving. I have driven from Cali to Louisiana and back many times. I've driven from Salt Lake City to Louisiana and back twice, and several other trips of shorter duration. This is what I have seen everytime.

[Elantari]

Chill the fuck out, 10 or 20 miles per hour difference is not going to save you a lot of time, unless you're driving for hours. If you are driving for hours, the person slowing you down probably won't be impassible for a statistically significant amount of time.

Wow. Someone who isn't a reckless, raging idiot! +1!

[Jarvan]

I think the general consensus is that the left lane is for passing, the right is for driving. I have driven from Cali to Louisiana and back many times. I've driven from Salt Lake City to Louisiana and back twice, and several other trips of shorter duration. This is what I have seen everytime.

PA the left lane on highways is for passing only. Of course I have actually asked a Highway patrol officer once when I saw him at a coffee place about that.. and he said "Left lane is for passing only... of course if you are passing someone that is going 60 in the right lane (Speed limit is 55) and I see you, I am pulling you over"

It's one of those rules that they can use to ticket people very often if they want. Generally they don't where I live.. because most of them don't bother. I almost never see cops on the highway around me.

[Tenlaar]

The Uniform Vehicle Code states:

Upon all roadways any vehicle proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing shall be driven in the right-hand lane then available for traffic ...

Note that this law refers to the "normal" speed of traffic, not the "legal" speed of traffic.

Are you serious? Do you believe that the speed LIMIT just stops applying at some point on your drive to work? The "normal" speed of traffic covers the chance that you have to drive below the speed LIMIT due to hazardous driving conditions, it doesn't mean that the speed LIMIT (which is the LIMIT because it is the fastest you can legally go in optimal driving conditions) stops applying because a group of people just want to go faster than the speed LIMIT.

lim·it
noun \ˈli-mət\

: a point beyond which it is not possible to go

: a point beyond which someone is not allowed to go

: an amount or number that is the highest or lowest allowed

[Androidpk]

It's one of those rules that they can use to ticket people very often if they want. Generally they don't where I live.. because most of them don't bother. I almost never see cops on the highway around me.

I was pulled over and given a warning. That was the first time I had ever heard of that before. And there were hardly any other cars on the highway at the time so it seemed odd for him to do that.

[Gelston]

Why do you care, Tenlaar? Unless you are one of those assholes that drives in the left lane thinking it is your job to make everyone drive the speed limit.

[Rucca]

Are you serious? Do you believe that the speed LIMIT just stops applying at some point on your drive to work? The "normal" speed of traffic covers the chance that you have to drive below the speed LIMIT due to hazardous driving conditions, it doesn't mean that the speed LIMIT (which is the LIMIT because it is the fastest you can legally go in optimal driving conditions) stops applying because a group of people just want to go faster than the speed LIMIT.

lim·it
noun \ˈli-mət\

: a point beyond which it is not possible to go

: a point beyond which someone is not allowed to go

: an amount or number that is the highest or lowest allowed

Actually my good sir, that is taken from an actual code. Do I personally believe the speed limit just stops applying ever? No and I never stated that. I suppose you didn't read my previous posts but they did in fact pertain to the left lane being a passing lane. Am I a FUCK like you stated before for perhaps driving 70 mph in the left lane to pass someone going below speed limit in the right lane, when the speed limit is 65? Then, yes I am a fuck because I may/may not speed up some to pass quickly and get back to the right lane. I do that to be courteous to other drivers while at the same time observing the rules of the road.

[Rucca]

Why do you care, Tenlaar? Unless you are one of those assholes that drives in the left lane thinking it is your job to make everyone drive the speed limit.

^^

[Ker_Thwap]

I don't "camp" in any lane. I go into the left lane to pass, I get back over, and I drive the fucking speed limit. If you want to "speed for fun" then go somewhere that you aren't endangering other peoples lives to do it, that way you're the only one that dies in a horrible fiery ball of death and destruction.

I was using the general "you" and wasn't suggesting you specifically were a camper. I drive carefully as the condition of the roads, car, weather, traffic, and such things permit. I'll drive 80 on an empty highway when all the preceding conditions permit. I'm not endangering anyone's life.

[Tenlaar]

Actually my good sir, that is taken from an actual code.

The problem is with you somehow translating "normal" speed of traffic as meaning something other than a "legal" speed of traffic. There is no time at which the "normal" speed of traffic is allowed to be above the speed limit. Ever. Period. There can be no "normal and reasonable" movement of traffic above the speed limit, because that is illegal and therefor not reasonable.

[Gelston]

The problem is with you somehow translating "normal" speed of traffic as meaning something other than a "legal" speed of traffic. There is no time at which the "normal" speed of traffic is allowed to be above the speed limit. Ever. Period. There can be no "normal and reasonable" movement of traffic above the speed limit, because that is illegal and therefor not reasonable.
Actually there is. Ever heard of a minimum speed limit? Sometimes you are forced to drive below it. That is outside the speed limits though right?

[Warriorbird]

Actually my good sir, that is taken from an actual code. Do I personally believe the speed limit just stops applying ever? No and I never stated that. I suppose you didn't read my previous posts but they did in fact pertain to the left lane being a passing lane. Am I a FUCK like you stated before for perhaps driving 70 mph in the left lane to pass someone going below speed limit in the right lane, when the speed limit is 65? Then, yes I am a fuck because I may/may not speed up some to pass quickly and get back to the right lane. I do that to be courteous to other drivers while at the same time observing the rules of the road.

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/50921821.jpg

He will find you!

[Tenlaar]

Why do you care, Tenlaar? Unless you are one of those assholes that drives in the left lane thinking it is your job to make everyone drive the speed limit.

I don't think it's my job to make everyone drive the speed limit. It already is everyone's responsibility to drive the speed limit. Why I care is because so many people don't feel any need to take responsibility for their actions and the potential consequences those actions can have on others, which is clearly shown in this thread by how many people feel like speeding in giant metal death machines is the right thing to do.

Getting into a car is by far the most dangerous thing that people do on any given day. Just drive the fucking speed limit. It's not that hard.

[Gelston]

Have you or anyone you know been involved in an accident that happened purely based on speed?

[Dwaar]

Have you or anyone you know been involved in an accident that happened purely based on speed?

Actually... I've been in three accidents in my life. Now this is no joke... All three I was stopped at a stop light and got rear ended.

I drive fast as possible, usually around 85-90 on the highway, and have never had an accident.

[Gelston]

Actually... I've been in three accidents in my life. Now this is no joke... All three I was stopped at a stop light and got rear ended.

I drive fast as possible, usually around 85-90 on the highway, and have never had an accident.

I have had one accident. It was due to someone pulling out in front of me.

[Ker_Thwap]

How do you account for the difference in speedometers, engines and effectiveness of cruise control Tenlaar? Let's say there's a 1988 Hyunda struggling to get up hills, isn't particularly attentive and is ranging between 55 and 66 mph, with an average of 60 mph. It's fairly busy on the highway. After 15 minutes of following, there's a decent sized gap in the left lane and you have the chance to pull out and pass this smelly Hyundai. Degree of difficulty, you're going downhill and the Hyundai is currently going 66. The speed limit is 65. You have another 45 minutes of driving ahead of you. Do, you speed up to 70 for 30 seconds to get by and risk killing everyone on the highway in a flaming ball of death, or do you suck his exhaust for the next 50 minutes?

[SHAFT]

Actually... I've been in three accidents in my life. Now this is no joke... All three I was stopped at a stop light and got rear ended.

I drive fast as possible, usually around 85-90 on the highway, and have never had an accident.

Obviously you give people the urge to ram you from behind. Oh yeeeaaahhh.

[Elantari]

or do you suck his exhaust for the next 50 minutes?

Is this a metaphor for what you do behind the local adult store?

[Ker_Thwap]

Is this a metaphor for what you do behind the local adult store?

Are you propositioning me?

[Elantari]

Are you propositioning me?

Only if you can suck like a Hi-Vac.

[Androidpk]

Have you or anyone you know been involved in an accident that happened purely based on speed?

I accidentally stepped on the gas once instead of the breaks and went shooting over an embankment, if that counts.

[Gelston]

I accidentally stepped on the gas once instead of the breaks and went shooting over an embankment, if that counts.

You lose your man card for that.

[Gelston]

Oh this is on the politics topic. Ummmm THANKS OBAMA

[Dwaar]

I accidentally stepped on the gas once instead of the breaks and went shooting over an embankment, if that counts.

HAHA... why would you admit that here?? :)

[Warriorbird]

Oh this is on the politics topic. Ummmm THANKS OBAMA

I'd have voted for Jeremy Clarkson for Parliament if I lived in Britain and he'd been serious about running.

[Jarvan]

Have you or anyone you know been involved in an accident that happened purely based on speed?

Paul Walker.

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/paul-walker-car-crash-caused-speed-investigators-article-1.1734446

But you know.. people don't die from speeding.


Well.. I know OF Paul Walker.

But seriously.. you can google hundreds of accidents where the car was speeding. So that's a stupid question. If speed never or almost never comes into play in an accident, I doubt we would have speed limit signs.

[Gelston]

Paul Walker.

That was on a city street and not an interstate though. I don't speed on city streets.

[Androidpk]

Heh, I'm generally an incredibly safe/careful driver. I've only gotten one speeding ticket, and I've had one car accident where some old dude hit me at a red light, and one small accident where I hit a curb while doing a u-turn and got a flat tire. That was more embarrassing than going over the embankment as I was by myself, at night, with no phone. Oh, and I also had no idea how to put the spare tire on. Ended up slowly creeping down the road in my car towards a gas station and wound up having an older black lady change my tire for me.

[Gelston]

How many sped related accidents occur on interstates, and how many of those are at extreme speeds? I don't advocate driving 100 in a 65, I am talking about 10 over.

[Jarvan]

That was on a city street and not an interstate though. I don't speed on city streets.

So if the sign says 25, you don't even go 26?

But seriously tho, there was no qualification, it just said purely based on speed.

Which in itself is a farce. Since very little ever happens "Purely" based on anything. Unless if you are asking has there ever been a reported incident of a car simply blowing up because it was going to fast or something. Speed is a factor in most accidents, if not all. Normally because if you are going at a reasonable speed you can avoid things, like a car slamming on their brakes in front of you, or a door opening, etc etc.

Now, granted, I do tend to speed at times, but I also live kinda in the country, and drive mostly at night when there is maybe another car every 10-15 minutes. Hell, I used to have a rule that whatever the posted limit was, I could safely do 2x that much. Not always the case.. but I was young and stupid. That being said, I know what I do is illegal when i do it. I don't try to justify it.

[Glitch]

They've gradually increased the speed limit on major roadways in my state since I was a kid by 10-15 mph. Someone who would have been ticketed 20 years ago is now within the lawful limits. Seems strange.

[Jarvan]

How many sped related accidents occur on interstates, and how many of those are at extreme speeds? I don't advocate driving 100 in a 65, I am talking about 10 over.

Do your own research. I mean seriously, you want me to prove you wrong, prove yourself right. Speeding is illegal. Period. (That's for you Obama)

[Androidpk]

The only time I recall speed related fatalities, asides from Paul Walker, are a bunch of accidents where a speeding cop crashed into another car.

[Gelston]

In neighborhoods and school zones, I err on the side of caution and go a couple miles under. On an interstate highway where they are pretty much straight? I got about 7 over. Am I speeding? Yes. Am I going way over the limit? No. Do I hate when someone gets into the left lane and causes me to turn off my cruise control? Yes. If they are passing someone, cool. If they are just driving in the lane after having passed someone, causing me to change lanes and pass them on the right? Not cool.

[Gelston]

Do your own research. I mean seriously, you want me to prove you wrong, prove yourself right. Speeding is illegal. Period. (That's for you Obama)

You are trying to say speeding 10 or less over the limit leads to deaths. I am positive it doesn't. You post an example of someone on a city street going well past the limit, something I have said us wrong... No friend, you do your research.

[Tgo01]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrKMzdTSYbc

[Back]

Thank God for another mundane topic on this message board! There were not enough of them over the past 10 years.

You should start one on favorite cupcakes.

[Tgo01]

Thank God for another mundane topic on this message board! There were not enough of them over the past 10 years.

You should start one on favorite cupcakes.

http://girlwithasportsproblem.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/23516335.jpg

[Dwaar]

Thank God for another mundane topic on this message board! There were not enough of them over the past 10 years.

You should start one on favorite cupcakes.

This "mundane" topic racked up 11 pages in 7 hours son! Better recognize... I understand the pulse of the people!

[Back]

http://girlwithasportsproblem.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/23516335.jpg

Great movie.

[Stanley Burrell]

I fly my car.

[Androidpk]

I fly my car.

Doc?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flge_rw6RG0&feature=kp

[tyrant-201]

I would like to see what % of slow drivers in the left lane are driving Prius'

[Jarvan]

Have you or anyone you know been involved in an accident that happened purely based on speed?

Actually, you were the one to first bring up accidents based purely on speed limit, hence you would be the one to need to prove that they don't exist.

Once again, speed is a contributing factor in almost all accidents.

But here is some info for you to read...

http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/810998.pdf

[~Rocktar~]

Heh, I'm generally an incredibly safe/careful driver. I've only gotten one speeding ticket, and I've had one car accident where some old dude hit me at a red light, and one small accident where I hit a curb while doing a u-turn and got a flat tire. That was more embarrassing than going over the embankment as I was by myself, at night, with no phone. Oh, and I also had no idea how to put the spare tire on. Ended up slowly creeping down the road in my car towards a gas station and wound up having an older black lady change my tire for me.

quoted for future reference

[Androidpk]

Future reference for what??

[~Rocktar~]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrKMzdTSYbc

That is fucking PHENOMINAL! They need to do this in every theater in the country randomly before movies. Some movies it's there, some not, kind of like texts and calls when driving.

[Gelston]

Actually, you were the one to first bring up accidents based purely on speed limit, hence you would be the one to need to prove that they don't exist.

Once again, speed is a contributing factor in almost all accidents.

But here is some info for you to read...

http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/810998.pdf

So... Going by the first graph it is safer to speed.

[Jeril]

Heh, I'm generally an incredibly safe/careful driver. I've only gotten one speeding ticket, and I've had one car accident where some old dude hit me at a red light, and one small accident where I hit a curb while doing a u-turn and got a flat tire. That was more embarrassing than going over the embankment as I was by myself, at night, with no phone. Oh, and I also had no idea how to put the spare tire on. Ended up slowly creeping down the road in my car towards a gas station and wound up having an older black lady change my tire for me.


Future reference for what??

Who knows, it does boggle my mind that you didn't know how to change a tire though, and it is amusing that an older black lady changed the tire for you.

[Androidpk]

Eh, knowledge about car maintenance is definitely not one of my specialties. Basically grew up without a dad so I didn't have anyone to show me and plus I never really had an interest. As for the black lady changing it she just happened to be the one working the register at the gas station, only person there. Very sweet lady.

[Gelston]

It is all good. From the evidence Jarvan posted up, as long as you aren't drunk it is SAFER to be traveling above the speed limit.

[Dwaar]

Who knows, it does boggle my mind that you didn't know how to change a tire though, and it is amusing that an older black lady changed the tire for you.

Racist! Racist!

Why is it funny that a "black lady" changed it??

:)

[Warriorbird]

That was on a city street and not an interstate though. I don't speed on city streets.

Rodas and Walker also had unfortunately left the original tires on the Porsche. They were 9 years old.

[Gelston]

Rodas and Walker also had unfortunately left the original tires on the Porsche. They were 9 years old.

I was going to say the sucked for being in a porsche, but daaaamn. 9 year old tires?

[Androidpk]

Carrera gt no less. Who goes almost a decade without changing tires on an exotic $1m car!?

[Gelston]

If I had the money to buy that car..... I'd spend it on my man cave.

[Androidpk]

It's rather ugly for a Porsche.

[Gelston]

I think that is something we can all agree on... don't go way over the speed limit. Especially in a porsche.

[Warriorbird]

It's rather ugly for a Porsche.

http://www.drivingline.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/PaulWalker_21.jpg

Yeah. Definitely in their stats before looks category. It had a wheel swap on it (though they kept the tires)and low miles but they still should'nt have driven with those tires.

[Androidpk]

The 944 turbo from the 80's is a sweet car. I actually drove one the day, during a nap. Was fucking awesome until I woke up.

[Warriorbird]

The 944 turbo from the 80's is a sweet car. I actually drove one the day, during a nap. Was fucking awesome until I woke up.

Those are annoying to maintain so they're not actually all that expensive to buy.

[Gelston]

My ideal car is a souped up challenger. I love the body style they have out for it.

[Androidpk]

Those are annoying to maintain so they're not actually all that expensive to buy.

Haha, yes. As soon as I woke up I hopped on eBay and started looking. I blame halt and catch fire.

[Warriorbird]

My ideal car is a souped up challenger. I love the body style they have out for it.

The Hellcat is awesome.

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--49QeQG4B--/fssonvtutwzbnbpkjkxc.gif


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQNUYvOwpsk

[Androidpk]

My ideal car is a souped up challenger. I love the body style they have out for it.

Anticor has one I think. Their latest model is balls.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YU2d3YpJVYk

[Gelston]

I have seen so many Challenger SRTs around here. I look at the driver, always an older woman. SO WAS TED ON HER!

[Jarvan]

So... Going by the first graph it is safer to speed.

It's ok, I understand you just want to be a dick, But be my guest. Speed.

Maybe one day they can scrape you off the highway and we can add you to the statistics.

[subzero]

By "slow drivers" do you actually mean "people driving the speed limit?"

Yep. Your lane is on the right. The left side is reserved for booze-smuggling lawbreakers.

[subzero]

If you want to "speed for fun" then go somewhere that you aren't endangering other peoples lives to do it, that way you're the only one that dies in a horrible fiery ball of death and destruction.

I'm curious. Do you believe someone going 5, 10, or even 15 mph over the speed limit inherently endangers people or is it that particular driver or other drivers inattention and/or inability to drive that presents the danger? If it's the former, you should really be similarly upset with people going proportionally slower than the posted speed limit since they are in effect causing the people driving the speed limit to endanger the lives of the slower drivers. Maybe those people don't count. Basically everyone has to drive the same speed or they're endangering the lives of others.

If it's the latter... I agree. Bad drivers suck. Give me someone that is a capable driver driving over the speed limit over some inattentive, tail-gating asshole any day.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvV3nn_de2k


Are you serious? Do you believe that the speed LIMIT just stops applying at some point on your drive to work? The "normal" speed of traffic covers the chance that you have to drive below the speed LIMIT due to hazardous driving conditions, it doesn't mean that the speed LIMIT (which is the LIMIT because it is the fastest you can legally go in optimal driving conditions) stops applying because a group of people just want to go faster than the speed LIMIT.

lim·it
noun \ˈli-mət\

: a point beyond which it is not possible to go

: a point beyond which someone is not allowed to go

: an amount or number that is the highest or lowest allowed

Under common law, we should just change it to "speed suggestion". Problem solved.


I accidentally stepped on the gas once instead of the breaks and went shooting over an embankment, if that counts.

Damn, granny!


In neighborhoods and school zones, I err on the side of caution and go a couple miles under. On an interstate highway where they are pretty much straight? I got about 7 over. Am I speeding? Yes. Am I going way over the limit? No. Do I hate when someone gets into the left lane and causes me to turn off my cruise control? Yes. If they are passing someone, cool. If they are just driving in the lane after having passed someone, causing me to change lanes and pass them on the right? Not cool.

Ugh, I hate school zones so much. Driving 15-25 mph is painful enough that I'll go out of my way to avoid them if possible. Life lesson kids! Don't run into the fucking street when there are cars moving toward you. Go Darwin!

[Whirlin]

Life lesson kids! Don't run into the fucking street when there are cars moving toward you. Go Darwin!

It's a life lesson you can only teach once.

[Warriorbird]

I have seen so many Challenger SRTs around here. I look at the driver, always an older woman. SO WAS TED ON HER!

They added 200 hp to the Hellcat and made it a terrifying beast with air intakes in its eyes. It might reduce some of that.

[subzero]

It's a life lesson you can only teach once.

But think about the impression it will leave on the kids nearby or that learn of the incident.

[Methais]

Oh, and I also had no idea how to put the spare tire on.

I hope you at least realize how easy it is, and how you could have figured it out yourself in probably 37 seconds, right?

RIGHT?!?!!?!?!?!!?!?1/1/

[Tenlaar]

I'm curious. Do you believe someone going 5, 10, or even 15 mph over the speed limit inherently endangers people or is it that particular driver or other drivers inattention and/or inability to drive that presents the danger?

Both. They are not mutually exclusive. The increased force of a crash when cars are going 10 or 15 MPH faster is, itself, more dangerous than a crash while going slower. When combined with the fact that so many people just don't give a shit about being safe (in other ways besides just speed control) it causes driving to be much more dangerous than it should be.

Give me someone that is a capable driver driving the speed limit over any other scenario any day.

[subzero]

Both. They are not mutually exclusive. The increased force of a crash when cars are going 10 or 15 MPH faster is, itself, more dangerous than a crash while going slower. When combined with the fact that so many people just don't give a shit about being safe (in other ways besides just speed control) it causes driving to be much more dangerous than it should be.

Give me someone that is a capable driver driving the speed limit over any other scenario any day.

So you'd say that crashes at, say, 60-75 are more dangerous than those at 40-55? Maybe we should lower all speeds across the board in the name of safety. Find a nice reliably non-fatal speed to post so that we don't endanger people when we're on the road?

[Latrinsorm]

The Uniform Vehicle Code states:

Upon all roadways any vehicle proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing shall be driven in the right-hand lane then available for traffic ...

Note that this law refers to the "normal" speed of traffic, not the "legal" speed of traffic. The 60 MPH driver in a 55 MPH zone where everybody else is going 65 MPH must move right. Contrast Alaska's rule, 13 AAC 002.50, allowing vehicles driving at the speed limit to use the left lane, and Colorado rev. stat. 42-4-1103, prohibiting blocking the "normal and reasonable" movement of traffic.

(Enforcement for failing to keep right while at or above the speed limit is variable. Toledo police have ticketed truck drivers for driving at the 60 MPH speed limit in the left lane. Police looking for criminal activity are aware of the "keep right" law and will use it as an excuse to stop a suspicious car. On the other hand, a New York judge announced that he would not convict drivers for blocking speeding traffic, People v. Ilieveski, 175 Misc. 2d 943; 670 N.Y.S.2d 1004 (Monroe County N.Y. 1998), and most police find speeding easier and more profitable to enforce.)Just for the record, the Uniform Vehicle Code is not in any way a law. It happens to cohere with some state laws, but it comes from a non-governmental source. It is as legally enforceable as a Miss Manners column.
I think the general consensus is that the left lane is for passing, the right is for driving. I have driven from Cali to Louisiana and back many times. I've driven from Salt Lake City to Louisiana and back twice, and several other trips of shorter duration. This is what I have seen everytime.The old term is "travel lane" for the right lane.

Consider this, y'all: a 1 ton car moving at 65 mph has over two hundred times the kinetic energy of a 9mm bullet. Three hundred times if the car has a wood stock.

[Warriorbird]

Consider this, y'all: a 1 ton car moving at 65 mph has over two hundred times the kinetic energy of a 9mm bullet. Three hundred times if the car has a wood stock.

Why are you racist against Morgans?

http://img.izismile.com/img/img3/20100806/640/how_morgan_cars_640_24.jpg

And VWs?

http://babyboomerme.com/wp-content/gallery/woodstock/woodstock-vw-bus_0.jpg

[Latrinsorm]

I see what you did there. :)

[Hightower]

Driving fast may not be dangerous in itself, but I think a lot of accidents can be avoided by being less aggressive and driving with more caution. For instance, if you're tailgating a guy because he's driving too slow. Naturally, he's going to want to get out of the way, right? But what do you see 100 times a day in that situation? The moment there's an opening, the tailgating driver speeds up, pulls a swift lane change, and zooms around the slower driver. And every once in awhile, that slower driver - anxious from being tailgated - checks his blindspot, sees nothing, and begins to switch lanes...right when the impatient driver decides to pull a highway maneuver. I have a roommate who has gotten in accidents twice doing exactly this - and it's never his fault, because halfway through the maneuver he flicked his blinker on! Safe!

Driving fast may not be the problem. The problem has to do with patterns of behavior. If you think you're a great driver, you tend to speed, you're overly aggressive on the road and you think you're doing everyone else a favor by driving this way? Check your driving record. If it isn't clean of accidents, some of that shit just might be your fault!

I'll be sure to remind my roommate when he gets home from work...I'll also have to remind him to get the wrecked hulk that is his former vehicle out of our driveway already!

~Taverkin

[Tenlaar]

So you'd say that crashes at, say, 60-75 are more dangerous than those at 40-55? Maybe we should lower all speeds across the board in the name of safety. Find a nice reliably non-fatal speed to post so that we don't endanger people when we're on the road?

Absolutely to both! Higher speeds increase the time needed to react, the time needed to slow/stop, and the forces involved in a crash. That last one is the big one, and you might be surprised by how much a difference just 5mph can make. But why listen to me?



...if on a road the driven speeds become higher, the crash rate will also increase. The crash rate is also higher for an individual vehicle that drives at higher speed than the other traffic on that road. As speeds get higher, crashes also result in more serious injury, for the driver who caused the crash as well as for the crash opponent...


Excess and inappropriate speed are responsible for a high proportion of the mortality and morbidity that result from road crashes. In high-income countries, speed contributes to about 30% of deaths on the road, while in some low-income and middle-income countries, speed is estimated to be the main contributory factor in about half of all road crashes.


As a vehicle’s speed increases, so does the distance travelled during the driver’s reaction time (reaction distance) and the distance needed to stop (braking distance). Also, the higher the speed, the greater the amount of kinetic (moving) energy that must be absorbed by the impact in a crash. Therefore, as well as being identified as a causal factor in around 40 per cent of fatal crashes, speed is an aggravating factor in the severity of all crashes.

During the 1970's energy crisis, the maximum speed limit was reduced across the UnitedStates of America (USA) from 70 miles per hour (113km/h) to 55 miles per hour (89 m/h) and the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration board issued a special report, pointing out that this reduction in maximum speed had resulted in a 16.4 percent drop in fatalities. In 1987, the USA lifted the speed limit on rural interstates to 65 miles per hour (105 km/h), which led to a 17 per cent rise in fatalities


Higher and lower than average speeds don’t have equal consequences; as crash speeds increase, so does crash severity.

The overwhelming majority of evidence suggests that reductions in speed limits reduce vehicle speeds and crashes; increases in speed limits increase speed, as well as crashes.

This information isn't hidden away, all of these reports and more are available on page 1 of a google search.

[Methais]

So you'd say that crashes at, say, 60-75 are more dangerous than those at 40-55? Maybe we should lower all speeds across the board in the name of safety. Find a nice reliably non-fatal speed to post so that we don't endanger people when we're on the road?

The only true solution is to ban vehicles altogether.

If it saves even just one person's life, then it's worth it!!!!!!iiiiii

[subzero]

Driving fast may not be dangerous in itself, but I think a lot of accidents can be avoided by being less aggressive and driving with more caution.

Driving fast is not the same as driving aggressively.


For instance, if you're tailgating a guy because he's driving too slow. Naturally, he's going to want to get out of the way, right? But what do you see 100 times a day in that situation? The moment there's an opening, the tailgating driver speeds up, pulls a swift lane change, and zooms around the slower driver. And every once in awhile, that slower driver - anxious from being tailgated - checks his blindspot, sees nothing, and begins to switch lanes...right when the impatient driver decides to pull a highway maneuver. I have a roommate who has gotten in accidents twice doing exactly this - and it's never his fault, because halfway through the maneuver he flicked his blinker on! Safe!

This can happen at any speed you're traveling. Bad drivers are bad drivers, speed be damned.


Driving fast may not be the problem. The problem has to do with patterns of behavior.

Glad we can agree on this.


If you think you're a great driver, you tend to speed, you're overly aggressive on the road and you think you're doing everyone else a favor by driving this way? Check your driving record. If it isn't clean of accidents, some of that shit just might be your fault!

100% clean record, thanks. I've been hit once by some idiot that somehow missed my large truck in the lane directly to her left as she decided to change lanes and I've been run off the road once by some old bitch that somehow failed to see my car as she tried to plow her front end into my door.

[Tenlaar]

The only true solution is to ban vehicles altogether.

If it saves even just one person's life, then it's worth it!!!!!!iiiiii

ENGAGE HYPERBOLE!

But yeah, I bet if it was your life saved you would think it was worth it.

[subzero]

Absolutely to both! Higher speeds increase the time needed to react, the time needed to slow/stop, and the forces involved in a crash. That last one is the big one, and you might be surprised by how much a difference just 5mph can make. But why listen to me?

This information isn't hidden away, all of these reports and more are available on page 1 of a google search.

Oh, it's not that I don't know about, agree with, or am unable to find information regarding this. It's that I don't care. I like being able to drive fast on the highways. It makes for more convenient travel. If we were relegated to 40, 45mph or whatever the 'safe' speed may be, that would suck.

When we get up in the morning, our lives are at risk. When we take to the road, our lives are at risk. There are a number of things that put our lives at risk when we eat them. They're risks I am aware of and choose to take. You can avoid them if you wish.


The only true solution is to ban vehicles altogether.

If it saves even just one person's life, then it's worth it!!!!!!iiiiii

Exactly. We should just ban life so everyone is safe!


ENGAGE HYPERBOLE!

But yeah, I bet if it was your life saved you would think it was worth it.

So, do you believe that people cannot be hurt or killed when driving at a particular speed limit just because it's been posted as the legal speed? There are inherent risks that you accept when you take to the road.

[RSR]

I know when I grew up in Kansas, they had posted minimums on the highways. 40MPH min, and a posted speed limit (75mph max now, 65 back then).

[Methais]

Exactly. We should just ban life

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120301174757/mortalkombat/es/images/0/0c/MK1_Sub-Zero_Fatality_lo%2B.gif

[Tenlaar]

When we get up in the morning, our lives are at risk.
True, and completely irrelevant when it comes to the point of greatly increased risk (not just for you, but for the people around you) due to increased speed.


You can avoid them if you wish.
I cannot avoid risks that you choose to take for me, such as driving fast near where I also happen to be driving. And if you feel the urge to reply with something like "Well you can choose not to drive!" you should just take a moment and not say something so ridiculous.


So, do you believe that people cannot be hurt or killed when driving at a particular speed limit just because it's been posted as the legal speed? There are inherent risks that you accept when you take to the road.
Yes, there are. And I believe that those risks should be minimized whenever possible, which includes lower speed limits and not giving licenses to people like you who like to endanger other peoples' lives.

[Riltus]

The Uniform Vehicle Code states:

Upon all roadways any vehicle proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing shall be driven in the right-hand lane then available for traffic ...

Note that this law refers to the "normal" speed of traffic, not the "legal" speed of traffic. The 60 MPH driver in a 55 MPH zone where everybody else is going 65 MPH must move right. Contrast Alaska's rule, 13 AAC 002.50, allowing vehicles driving at the speed limit to use the left lane, and Colorado rev. stat. 42-4-1103, prohibiting blocking the "normal and reasonable" movement of traffic.

(Enforcement for failing to keep right while at or above the speed limit is variable. Toledo police have ticketed truck drivers for driving at the 60 MPH speed limit in the left lane. Police looking for criminal activity are aware of the "keep right" law and will use it as an excuse to stop a suspicious car. On the other hand, a New York judge announced that he would not convict drivers for blocking speeding traffic, People v. Ilieveski, 175 Misc. 2d 943; 670 N.Y.S.2d 1004 (Monroe County N.Y. 1998), and most police find speeding easier and more profitable to enforce.)

UNIFORM VEHICLE CODE

Chapter 11

ARTICLE II-TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES

S 11-201-Obedience to and required traffic-control devices

(a) The driver of any vehicle shall obey the instructions of any official traffic-control device applicable thereto placed or held in accordance with the provisions of this code, unless otherwise directed by a police officer, subject to the exceptions granted the driver of an authorized emergency vehicle in this code.


A traffice control device includes posted speed limit signs. The section (S 11-201) precedes the section you are quoting (S 11-301)


also

S 11-802-Maximum Speed Limits

Except when a special hazard exists that requires lower speed for complaince with S 11-801, the limits hereinafter specified shall be maximum lawful speeds and no person shall drive a vehicle in excess of such maximum limits.

1. Thirty miles per hour in any urban district;
2. Fifty-five miles per hour in other locations.

The maximum speed limits set forth in this section may be altered as authorized in SS 11-803 and 11-804.


Mark

[Tisket]

The answer is clear. They need to create two separate freeways. One will be exclusively for the use of the granny set. The other will be for people who actually know how to drive on a freeway.

[Jeril]

The answer is clear. They need to create two separate freeways. One will be exclusively for the use of the granny set. The other will be for people who actually know how to drive on a freeway.

Can I drive on your freeway?

[Tisket]

Can I drive on your freeway?

Only if you drive fast and hard.

/innuendo

[Wyrmx]

I realize it varies by state but the video Methais posted shows an NJ State Trooper. NJ State law requires drivers to keep right unless they are passing. Violators are subject to a 2 point ticket and a fine between $100 and $300. Over 4000 drivers were issued tickets in 2012 for blocking the left lane.

[Jeril]

Only if you drive fast and hard.

/innuendo

I wouldn't dream of doing it any other way.

[Allereli]

Can I drive on your freeway?

still driving that Hummer?

[Tisket]

lol

[Jeril]

still driving that Hummer?

I've never had one, why?

[Tisket]

lolx2

[Tenlaar]

The other will be for people who actually know how to drive on a freeway.

It's pretty damn sad that you think speeding is knowing how to drive on a freeway. But you know what, I'd be perfectly fine with having a separate freeway with drastically reduced accidents and deaths to drive on.

Keep thinking that you can somehow insult me based on my desire to not drive like an idiot though.

[Tisket]

It's pretty damn sad that you think speeding is knowing how to drive on a freeway. But you know what, I'd be perfectly fine with having a separate freeway with drastically reduced accidents and deaths to drive on.

Keep thinking that you can somehow insult me based on my desire to not drive like an idiot though.

I'm not trying to insult you. I'm trying to insult all granny drivers. Quit taking it so personally. Sometimes it's not all about you. You just happen to belong to a group of the most annoying drivers in existence. Continue patting yourself on the back though. I would expect nothing different from someone who goes through life with blinders on.

[Androidpk]

Just some interesting statistics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autobahn#Safety

[subzero]

I cannot avoid risks that you choose to take for me, such as driving fast near where I also happen to be driving. And if you feel the urge to reply with something like "Well you can choose not to drive!" you should just take a moment and not say something so ridiculous.

The problem is that you take those risks every time you hit the road. Doesn't matter if people are going the speed limit or not. Simply being on the highway puts you at risk; you're fucked at 65 mph, too, unless you for some reason think otherwise. There are a lot of things that will increase risk. The common denominator is bad drivers. If you're in the area with one, your risk is increased. That person can make a bad move and wreck you no matter the speed and again, at highway speeds, you're likely to be hurt.


Yes, there are. And I believe that those risks should be minimized whenever possible, which includes lower speed limits and not giving licenses to people like you who like to endanger other peoples' lives.

Weeeell, if you really want to minimize your risks, why are you so opposed to being told not to drive? It's your safest bet. If anything, speed limits are increasing, not decreasing. Good luck trying to reduce highway speeds to residential speeds so your risk is minimized. I will, however, continue endangering people with my cannabis-wrecked brain, lead foot, and clean driving record.


The answer is clear. They need to create two separate freeways. One will be exclusively for the use of the granny set. The other will be for people who actually know how to drive on a freeway.

There will still be some dirty hippie that thinks it's their job to let people know the safe and proper way to do things by getting on the good freeway and driving like an asshole.


Just some interesting statistics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autobahn#Safety

That clearly doesn't count since they're across the big pile of water.

[diethx]

I'd wager that more wrecks are caused by drivers so cautious that they are unable to follow the flow of traffic adequately, over those of us who simply drive fast. Those afraid to merge onto highways at actual highway speed, those afraid to change lanes without the cars in their intended lane practically slamming on brakes to let them over "safely", etc. You can drive faster than the speed limit and absolutely be a safe driver and cause zero wrecks. If you think going 70 or 75 as opposed to 65 is really going to make a difference if the driver is a good driver to begin with, then you've got your head so far up your butt I'm surprised you can see to drive at all.

[Tisket]

IThose afraid to merge onto highways at actual highway speed

If anything was going to drive me to commit road rage violence against another driver it would be the morons that merge at 20 mph lower than the current traffic speed. So fucking dangerous it's ridiculous.

[diethx]

Yep. Preeeeetty much. I can't tell you how many times I've driven up behind one of these assholes and I had to speed up quickly and cross over the gore just to merge into traffic safely and avoid whatever mess they were about to possibly cause. Meanwhile, the asshole keeps their pace or even slows down and expects everyone to slam on brakes to let them in.

[Tisket]

I'd be willing to bet that the ability to travel quickly at normal freeway speeds draws traffic away from more dangerous non-interstate roads thus reducing overall fatalities.

Also, anyone who believes low limits are about safety are deluding themselves. It's about revenue.

[diethx]

Also, anyone who believes low limits are about safety are deluding themselves. It's about revenue.

No no no way! 55 or 65 is the magic safety number! Helloooooo!

[Warriorbird]

Obviously our speed limit needs to be 35 like World War 2.

[Jeril]

Safe drivers are never the issue no matter what speed. However, higher speeds do make it harder to react to the idiot drivers. There are so many bad drivers in this country and part of it is that you can get your license once and never have to worry about it again as long as you continue to get it renewed on time.

[Androidpk]

Here is the article I was talking about, where imposed speed limits on roads that previously had no limits caused accidents to double.

http://www.motorists.org/press/montana-no-speed-limit-safety-paradox

[Tgo01]

But you know what, I'd be perfectly fine with having a separate freeway with drastically reduced accidents and deaths to drive on.

I'm not denying that speeding causes accidents/fatal accidents but I don't think we would see a "drastic reduction" in accidents/fatal accidents if people weren't speeding.

According to this report (http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/26/2627.asp) driving too fast for conditions only account for 5% of fatal accidents and only 8% of all accidents were attributed to driving too fast. Distracted driving is by far the largest contributor to car accidents; 41%. Let's tackle that shit and require car companies to implant devices in cars that automatically disable cell phones when the car is turned on.

[Jeril]

I'm not denying that speeding causes accidents/fatal accidents but I don't think we would see a "drastic reduction" in accidents/fatal accidents if people weren't speeding.

According to this report (http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/26/2627.asp) driving too fast for conditions only account for 5% of fatal accidents and only 8% of all accidents were attributed to driving too fast. Distracted driving is by far the largest contributor to car accidents; 41%. Let's tackle that shit and require car companies to implant devices in cars that automatically disable cell phones when the car is turned on.

We just need to get idiots off the road.

Eight percent were asleep, having a heart attack or otherwise incapacitated.

I don't know why they'd lump these together. You have a choice about getting enough sleep, you don't exactly have a choice about the timing of a heart attack.

[Latrinsorm]

The problem is that you take those risks every time you hit the road. Doesn't matter if people are going the speed limit or not.Is this like you take the same risks whether you have one drink or twenty?
Here is the article I was talking about, where imposed speed limits on roads that previously had no limits caused accidents to double.

http://www.motorists.org/press/monta...safety-paradoxWe took a gander down this road once before, but sample size. Do you notice how in 1997 the number of fatalities was 51 on interstates? How can this be, if no daytime limits would halve the 2000 figure of 56?

Your info only does highways, which I can't find a comp to with more recent data. However, we can see in this (http://www.mdt.mt.gov/safety/docs/impaired_driving_prob_overview.pdf) report (table 2) that fatalities decreased from 237 in 2000 to 221 in 2009, then to 205 (http://www.mdt.mt.gov/publications/docs/brochures/safety/hsp_report.pdf) in 2012... even vehicle miles traveled have increased from 9.9 to 11.9 (http://www.tripnet.org/docs/MT_Transportation_By_The_Numbers_TRIP_Report_Feb_2 014.pdf) billion in 2012. Net result: 23.9 fatalities per billion VMT in 2000, 17.2 in 2012.

Do you notice how I didn't cherry pick 2010, when traffic fatalities experienced a minimum? That should tell you which of myself and Mr. Dornsife is the more trustworthy.

[Latrinsorm]

I'm not denying that speeding causes accidents/fatal accidents but I don't think we would see a "drastic reduction" in accidents/fatal accidents if people weren't speeding.

According to this report (http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/26/2627.asp) driving too fast for conditions only account for 5% of fatal accidents and only 8% of all accidents were attributed to driving too fast. Distracted driving is by far the largest contributor to car accidents; 41%. Let's tackle that shit and require car companies to implant devices in cars that automatically disable cell phones when the car is turned on.5% and 8% when driving too fast was the critical reason for the primary cause. It does not follow that driving too fast had no impact on all of the other accidents.

[Tgo01]

5% and 8% when driving too fast was the critical reason for the primary cause. It does not follow that driving too fast had no impact on all of the other accidents.

That's stupid. You're stupid!

I would be interested in seeing your numbers in how often speeding is a factor in accidents.

Challenge has been initiated! Will Latrin take up the challenge or run away like last time?

[Latrinsorm]

Like Cara Maria, I accept and dominate every challenge. The number appears to be around thirty (http://www.smartmotorist.com/traffic-and-safety-guideline/excessive-speed-is-a-factor-in-one-third-of-all-fatal-crashes.html) three (http://www.nhtsa.gov/staticfiles/nti/enforcement/pdf/809839.pdf) percent, even over in Eire (http://www.roadsafetymayo.ie/CausesofAccidents/).

[Warriorbird]

Like Cara Maria, I accept and dominate every challenge. The number appears to be around thirty (http://www.smartmotorist.com/traffic-and-safety-guideline/excessive-speed-is-a-factor-in-one-third-of-all-fatal-crashes.html) three (http://www.nhtsa.gov/staticfiles/nti/enforcement/pdf/809839.pdf) percent, even over in Eire (http://www.roadsafetymayo.ie/CausesofAccidents/).

It's some interesting old data.

[Androidpk]

Like Cara Maria, I accept and dominate every challenge. The number appears to be around thirty (http://www.smartmotorist.com/traffic-and-safety-guideline/excessive-speed-is-a-factor-in-one-third-of-all-fatal-crashes.html) three (http://www.nhtsa.gov/staticfiles/nti/enforcement/pdf/809839.pdf) percent, even over in Eire (http://www.roadsafetymayo.ie/CausesofAccidents/).

In that case I challenge you to smoke an ounce of weed in 60 minutes.

[Latrinsorm]

In that case I challenge you to smoke an ounce of weed in 60 minutes.Easily done, and I was pleasantly surprised with how much faster it was than smoking a ham.

[Tgo01]

Like Cara Maria, I accept and dominate every challenge. The number appears to be around thirty (http://www.smartmotorist.com/traffic-and-safety-guideline/excessive-speed-is-a-factor-in-one-third-of-all-fatal-crashes.html) three (http://www.nhtsa.gov/staticfiles/nti/enforcement/pdf/809839.pdf) percent, even over in Eire (http://www.roadsafetymayo.ie/CausesofAccidents/).

Interesting.

Interesting.

This part in particular makes me wonder:


Alcohol involvement and speeding often go hand-in-hand. In 1998, 43 percent of drivers with a 0.10 BAC or higher who were involved in fatal crashes were speeding, compared with 14 percent of the sober (0.00 BAC) drivers in fatal crashes. (NHTSA, 1999)

So only 14% of people involved in fatal accidents where speed was a factor were actually sober whereas 43% of drunks were speeding. I think that speaks more about how dangerous drunk driving is than speeding.

Tgo01: 1,380,938
Latrinsorm: 1.5

I'm giving you a half point for trying.

[Androidpk]

Easily done, and I was pleasantly surprised with how much faster it was than smoking a ham.


:lol2:

[subzero]

We just need to get idiots off the road.

Eight percent were asleep, having a heart attack or otherwise incapacitated.

I don't know why they'd lump these together. You have a choice about getting enough sleep, you don't exactly have a choice about the timing of a heart attack.

I worked with a chick that was on methadone treatments to help her get over her heroin problem. She was a bigger gal, so we all got a good laugh when she fell asleep with her elbow propped up on the table and a spoon full of food half-way to her mouth that was hanging open. What wasn't funny was that she'd totaled at least two vehicles that I know of because she fell asleep at the wheel. It blew my mind that not only was she allowed to retain a fucking license, it didn't bother her one bit. Never did she say to herself, "Damn. I could kill myself and/or others. Maybe I shouldn't be driving!"

Anyhow... I guess the point is that falling asleep isn't always about poor sleeping habits/decisions.


Is this like you take the same risks whether you have one drink or twenty?

No. Clearly, having 20 drinks is going to affect you in different ways than driving faster than an arbitrary number will. I can drive over the speed limit and remain a fully functional driver capable of making good decisions while remaining in control of my vehicle. Not the case with being drunk.


In that case I challenge you to smoke an ounce of weed in 60 minutes.

You supply and I'll take this challenge! Don't bring some Mexican rubber-flavored dirt, either!

[Latrinsorm]

Interesting.

Interesting.

This part in particular makes me wonder:



So only 14% of people involved in fatal accidents where speed was a factor were actually sober whereas 43% of drunks were speeding. I think that speaks more about how dangerous drunk driving is than speeding.

Tgo01: 1,380,938
Latrinsorm: 1.5

I'm giving you a half point for trying.Did you pull a Tin Cup or what? I can't be that many strokes ahead of you.

[RSR]

Saw this on fark.com a little bit ago, made me laugh given this thread.

Always drive in the right lane except to pass. The left lane is for gunfights

http://thecitizen.com/articles/06-11-2014/caught-midnight-highway-gunfight-woman-driver-and-her-son-uninjured

[Methais]

Saw this on fark.com a little bit ago, made me laugh given this thread.

Always drive in the right lane except to pass. The left lane is for gunfights

http://thecitizen.com/articles/06-11-2014/caught-midnight-highway-gunfight-woman-driver-and-her-son-uninjured

That story made me think of this:

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/5439859456/h3E7D9834/

[Gelston]

The funniest thing about all this, I'm still going to drive how I drive, no matter what kind of sideways cock Tenlaar or others have up their ass.

[subzero]

The funniest thing about all this, I'm still going to drive how I drive, no matter what kind of sideways cock Tenlaar or others have up their ass.

Evil dickbag!

[Elantari]

The funniest thing about all this, I'm still going to drive how I drive, no matter what kind of sideways cock Tenlaar or others have up their ass.

You wouldn't be a "man" if you didn't. You'd just be a little sissy with a tiny dicklet. You'll continue to drive like a fucking retard because it makes you (falsely) perceive your dick as being much larger than it actually is. Congratulations on earning your "man" card, you little sissy.

[Laviticas]

You wouldn't be a "man" if you didn't. You'd just be a little sissy with a tiny dicklet. You'll continue to drive like a fucking retard because it makes you (falsely) perceive your dick as being much larger than it actually is. Congratulations on earning your "man" card, you little sissy.

Raging penis envy.

[Elantari]

Raging penis envy.

If you think this kind of stupidity is going to make me bat an eye, you have another think coming.

[Atlanteax]

WA State Patrol is cracking down on this right now: http://q13fox.com/2014/05/28/left-lane-violations/#axzz34MpiJvIv

*Awesome*

[Atlanteax]

Usual Freeway Limit in Michigan is 70. I go 79, and usually camp in left. Generally I am passing others, but if I see someone catching up to me, I'll speed up a bit, move over in front of person on my right, and let the person going 85+ pass, and then move back to the left and continue passing people.

Off freeway, I go limit +5. Incidentally a lot of neighborhoods had their speed limits increased from 25 to 35 (I remember cops doing frequent ticketing when it was still 25 in my area).

[waywardgs]

I used to drive between NY and MN quite a bit and I always enjoyed driving through Chicago late at night. Cruising speed was 90 and I still got passed like I was standing still.

Of course, this is mitigated by the turtle crawl during daytime traffic. I figure it averaged out to approximately 20 mph under the speed limit.

[Jace Solo]

You guys should be happy you don't drive in LA. There is no courtesy in ANY drivers. It's as if the apocalypse is taking place. Everyone has to be first. Everyone runs REDS, including cops, and people will smash into parked cars and speed off. It's a fucking joke. Likely the biggest thing I dislike about that city.

[Gelston]

You guys should be happy you don't drive in LA. There is no courtesy in ANY drivers. It's as if the apocalypse is taking place. Everyone has to be first. Everyone runs REDS, including cops, and people will smash into parked cars and speed off. It's a fucking joke. Likely the biggest thing I dislike about that city.

LA isn't that bad really. Dallas blows donkey balls though. Between shitty drivers and tons of construction, ugh.

[Taernath]

No way, LA is terrible. I drive through there every other month. Terrible drivers and terrible congestion.

In Arizona the biggest thing that gets me is no one ever uses turn signals, even the cops.

[Gelston]

No way, LA is terrible. I drive through there every other month. Terrible drivers and terrible congestion.

In Arizona the biggest thing that gets me is no one ever uses turn signals, even the cops.

Oh, the traffic in LA sucks yeah. Near LAX the I5 is always backed up, even at 4AM when the damn thing isn't even open. I've just found the driving there better than Dallas.

[Warriorbird]

I had dubious traffic in the Triangle in North Carolina, overpopulation traffic in Baton Rouge, and now back in a different small town in Virginia? I don't even have to worry about traffic at all. It's nice.

[waywardgs]

NYC has the best drivers, hands down.

[Androidpk]

NC has the worst.

[Warriorbird]

NC has the worst.

It's pretty terrible. 40 is so badly designed and it can just shut down completely for hours. The drivers are bad, too. I nearly got hit by not one but two cars driving down the highway the wrong way near Goldsboro. I never had anybody pass me on the sidewalk like Louisiana though.

[Gelston]

It's pretty terrible. I nearly got hit by not one but two cars driving down the highway the wrong way near Goldsboro. I never had anybody pass me on the sidewalk like Louisiana though.

Someone passed you on the sidewalk in Louisiana before? Hahahahaha. I'd say that is improvising there.

[Androidpk]

I was almost in multiple car accidents in a period of about 5 minutes while riding in the backseat of a friend's friends car. Not to mention he almost hit a bicyclist and a women walking a baby in a stroller. One of the ONLY times I've been scared shitless. I told the kid more than once to slow down. Finally I pulled out my pocket knife and said I was going to stab him in the neck if he didn't pull over immediately.

My former friend that flipped her car and wound up paralyzed.. that was in NC too.

[SHAFT]

Oh, the traffic in LA sucks yeah. Near LAX the I5 is always backed up, even at 4AM when the damn thing isn't even open. I've just found the driving there better than Dallas.

That's the 405 yo. But yes, the 405 and the 5 both suck. They've been doing construction on the 405 near the Sepulveda pass for 10+ years. It's a nightmare.

[Methais]

People in Louisiana get in wrecks all over the place anytime there's even a hint of rain.

Or even if there are just rain clouds in the sky that haven't started raining yet.

[Androidpk]

I for one welcome the future of driverless transportation. It's the only way we'll ever get flying cars.

[Methais]

I for one welcome the future of driverless transportation. It's the only way we'll ever get flying cars.

If we don't get X-Wings and TIE fighters I'm gonna be pissed off.

[Viekn]

I live in Cooper City, FL. A TON of people here go less than the speed limit on regular city roads, when it's NOT raining! GMAFB!

[Gelston]

That's the 405 yo. But yes, the 405 and the 5 both suck. They've been doing construction on the 405 near the Sepulveda pass for 10+ years. It's a nightmare.

There was an Air Port exit sign on the I-5, I mean by that sign. It likely leads you to the 405.

[Jace Solo]

Dude, I've been firth ate to drive is most states and the larger cities in those states. I would prefer anyone (except maybe. Houston, depending) than in LA. The main issue I have is people feel they have anineminty because 90% are transplants, so they drive like dicks. It is rare that people let you pass, wave you in, etc. That's what makes traffic bad in LA, the people.

Outside of NYC, it's the only place where you can reliably assume it'll take you 45 minutes to go somewhere 5 miles away. Before parking mind you.

[subzero]

Dude, I've been firth ate to drive is most states and the larger cities in those states. I would prefer anyone (except maybe. Houston, depending) than in LA. The main issue I have is people feel they have anineminty because 90% are transplants, so they drive like dicks. It is rare that people let you pass, wave you in, etc. That's what makes traffic bad in LA, the people.

Outside of NYC, it's the only place where you can reliably assume it'll take you 45 minutes to go somewhere 5 miles away. Before parking mind you.

Sounds like you need Gravedigger for driving around LA!

I tried to find a short audio clip of the guy doing the radio spots saying the name to no avail...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrERL3Dgghg

[Gelston]

Many times I've wished I was back in my MRAP on busy interstates.

[Androidpk]

Many times I've wished I was back in my MRAP on busy interstates.

Don't wish, build.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/121356272869

[ClydeR]

http://www.vox.com/2014/6/16/5804590/why-you-shouldnt-drive-slowly-in-the-left-lane

This timely article summarizes state laws about driving in the left lane. The article says that many states -- and this is unbelievable to me -- make it a crime to drive in the left lane at a speed slower than the prevailing speed of traffic, even if the prevailing speed exceeds the speed limit. In those same states, it is also a crime to drive faster than the speed limit in the left lane even if the prevailing speed of traffic is faster than the speed limit. That's so messed up that I say we should just remove the left lanes.

[Atlanteax]

http://www.vox.com/2014/6/16/5804590/why-you-shouldnt-drive-slowly-in-the-left-lane

This timely article summarizes state laws about driving in the left lane. The article says that many states -- and this is unbelievable to me -- make it a crime to drive in the left lane at a speed slower than the prevailing speed of traffic, even if the prevailing speed exceeds the speed limit. In those same states, it is also a crime to drive faster than the speed limit in the left lane even if the prevailing speed of traffic is faster than the speed limit. That's so messed up that I say we should just remove the left lanes.

In other words if driving under limit, stay out of the left lane

[ClydeR]

In other words if driving under limit, stay out of the left lane

There is no legal way to use the left lane.

[Tenlaar]

There is if the prevailing speed of traffic is the speed limit.

[SHAFT]

Fuck the speed limit. Right in its ear.