I'm not a Democrat, I'm Anti-Republican

[cwolff]

Found this article on Facebook and I like it.


You could say that I'm less a Democrat than an anti-Republican. I vote the way I do because I want the GOP to lose, lose badly, and keep losing until it comes to its collective senses, which at this point seems a very long way off indeed.

There are so many reasons why I've come to this position that I almost don't know where to begin. So let's just start with recent headlines — which means the Benghazi Obsession. Source (http://m.theweek.com/article/index/261426/irsquom-not-a-democrat-irsquom-an-anti-republican)

[Tgo01]

Yet a couple of weeks back I said Democrats have no real values or beliefs and instead are just anti-Republicans and you laughed at me.

I'll assume this thread is your attempt at an apology. I accept.

[cwolff]

Yet a couple of weeks back I said Democrats have no real values or beliefs and instead are just anti-Republicans and you laughed at me.

I'll assume this thread is your attempt at an apology. I accept.

No, it's just another opportunity for you to make shit up. I can't even tell if you're a) lying just to get attention or b) really believe it and are just stupid. I think you really believe your bullshit and the reason you believe it is because you see everything as a black and white issue. You can not handle shades of grey at all. Just too immature I guess.

[Methais]

Yet a couple of weeks back I said Democrats have no real values or beliefs and instead are just anti-Republicans and you laughed at me.

I'll assume this thread is your attempt at an apology. I accept.

Better go find that post and screenshot it before he finds it first and deletes it.

ON TOPIC:

I'm anti-politician because they're all sacks of fuckwaste.

[cwolff]

Better go find that post and screenshot it before he finds it first and deletes it.

Please go find it and post it. It'll prove what I'm saying and show again that you guys don't know what you're talking about.

[Tgo01]

Ah, I see. Round up dem numbers when we're trying to prove a point and round down dem numbers when someone disputes our rounded up numbers, YEEEEEEEEEHHHHHAAAAAWWWWWW!

As to Jarvan's point about appealing I believe what he is saying is someone should run on their ideals and on their ideals alone. You believe in gun control? Run on that. You're pro choice? Run on that. You think gays shouldn't marry? Run on that. If that's what you truly believe then run on that.

The problem with Democrats is they don't really have any ideals or opinions or goals anymore, they just try to appeal to every demographic they can so they can keep getting elected so they can keep ignoring everyone so they can keep getting elected. Democrats today are basically just anti Republicans.

How long can you really get away with just saying "Nuh uh!" to everything your opponent says? You should be able to answer this one, cwolff, you're practically a pro at it now.


It's easy to answer you when you frame things with extremes. Your examples only work in a black and white world and we know that doesn't exist. Dems believe in gun control which means regulation not abolition, dems are pro-choice which means they support a womens right to make her own decision which is very different from being pro-abortion, dems think gay people should be allowed to marry if they want to they're not pushing gays to marry.

To sum it up the dems are promoting individualism while the GOP's running on conformity.

edit: I missed the part about rounding. Generally you round up when the second digit is 5-9 and down when the second digit is 1-4.


I don't think you believe that but I think that you make complex issues black and white. Like when you said the dems are just anti republican; republicans are anti-abortion, therefore dems are pro-abortion.

My point is that the dems aren't running on wishy washy platforms they are running on beliefs which account for various situations. The GOP is more religious in their interpretation of things. Government is bad, Taxes are bad, Gay marriage is bad, Gun laws are bad, Repeal ACA, and on and on. The current iteration of the GOP, IMO, is too dogmatic to compare it easily with the Dems.

I'll accept your apology again.

[cwolff]

I'll accept your apology again.

You just proved my point and you're too stupid to realize it.

[Tgo01]

You just proved my point and you're too stupid to realize it.


How long can you really get away with just saying "Nuh uh!" to everything your opponent says? You should be able to answer this one, cwolff, you're practically a pro at it now.

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[Jarvan]

You just proved my point and you're too stupid to realize it.

He proved that you said he was wrong, that Dems are not anti republican. Yet you posted a link about a dem that isn't a dem, but is just anti republican.

So yes.. you lose. Thanks for playing, your participation award will be in the mail. Along with your lost marbles and missing cards.

[waywardgs]

Did any of you read the link or are you here just to bash cwolff?

[cwolff]

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That's what I mean. You can't even respond. I tell you that I'm not a democrat I'm anti-republican and you extrapolate that to the entire Democratic party, even though I'm not even a democrat! I say that you see things in black and white binary terms and are incapable of dealing with shades of grey so you repost that I've said it before.


Dems believe in gun control which means regulation not abolition, dems are pro-choice which means they support a womens right to make her own decision which is very different from being pro-abortion, dems think gay people should be allowed to marry if they want to they're not pushing gays to marry.

To sum it up the dems are promoting individualism while the GOP's running on conformity.

Do you understand that? How much more clear can I make it for you? The reason you think the dems want to take your guns away is because "you're either for the 2nd amendment or you're not!" That's a dumb way to view complex issues and it's why you consistently read someone's post and then exaggerate what they've said. You're screening everything through you're narrow minded binary filter and if fucks you up every time.

[Tgo01]

Did any of you read the link or are you here just to bash cwolff?

The latter.

Naww, I skimmed it. Some dude was a Republican 20 years ago and is now supporting Democrats because he wants Republicans to lose but he doesn't feel a real connection with Democrats, blah blah blah.

My point about the anti Republican thing still stands.

[Jarvan]

So let me get this straight.. This guy is voting against Republicans because he hates republicans and what they are doing. But notice he didn't say anywhere that he likes what the dems are doing at all. He just wants republicans to lose. Period. SO hopefully they will change.... and become what? Dems?

And yes Cwolff.. in American politics it pretty much is black and white. There are two parties. Policies can be shades of gray, but not the parties. Politician can be shades of gray, but not the parties. The Democratic party isn't in the middle, neither is the Republican party. our politics have become polarized in the recent decade for many reasons. But as it is.. there are very few real "moderates". because they are forced to "pick a side".

Hell.. look at you.. every single thing the republicans do you jump down their throat. The white house lies about Benghazi.. republicans should drop it. Louise Learner fucks up at IRS... just drop it. Yet a republican says something you think is nuts... and you are all over it.

You don't care about the policy.. you care about the politics.


I read the guy's article. He forgot to mention when the Dems wanted to impeach Bush for not finding WMD's. He forgot to mention people like you calling the Bush admin war criminals. He forgot to point out how wickedly republican blacks and women are attacked in the media by the Left. he forgot to point out how huge of a disgusting piece of shit Reid is... or how often Obama lies. (Obama recently said Republicans have filibustered 500 pieces of Democrat legislation... it's only like 123)

Both side have shit ass moments. This asshole no longer agrees with the republican party. he doesn't want to call himself a democrat, but he wants the Repubs to lose.

It's kinda like going to a Yankees game and booing them just cause you want them to lose, you don't care who is playing... only in this case.. there ~IS~ only one other team.

[Tisket]

I doubt anyone gives two shits what cwulff believes or advocates.

[Thondalar]

No, it's just another opportunity for you to make shit up. I can't even tell if you're a) lying just to get attention or b) really believe it and are just stupid. I think you really believe your bullshit and the reason you believe it is because you see everything as a black and white issue. You can not handle shades of grey at all. Just too immature I guess.

Standing on principle is maturity. Making everything a shade of grey is what children do.

[waywardgs]

Standing on principle is maturity. Making everything a shade of grey is what children do.

Actually I think the black/white mentality is exactly what children do. Grey takes nuance and is a more accurate depiction of the world.

[Parkbandit]

I doubt anyone gives two shits what cwulff believes or advocates.

This.

Exactly this.

[Thondalar]

Actually I think the black/white mentality is exactly what children do.

All the "greys" are just distractions. Ultimately there is only right or wrong. When we allow exceptions to rules, those rules will eventually be useless.


Grey takes nuance and is a more accurate depiction of the world.

And we wonder why the world is so fucked.

[Warriorbird]

Ultimately there is only right or wrong.

We really never would have gotten out of the 1700s with this philosophy.

[Thondalar]

We really never would have gotten out of the 1700s with this philosophy.

How so?

[cwolff]

So let me get this straight.. This guy is voting against Republicans because he hates republicans and what they are doing. But notice he didn't say anywhere that he likes what the dems are doing at all. He just wants republicans to lose. Period. SO hopefully they will change.... and become what? Dems?

And yes Cwolff.. in American politics it pretty much is black and white. There are two parties. Policies can be shades of gray, but not the parties. Politician can be shades of gray, but not the parties. The Democratic party isn't in the middle, neither is the Republican party. our politics have become polarized in the recent decade for many reasons. But as it is.. there are very few real "moderates". because they are forced to "pick a side".

Hell.. look at you.. every single thing the republicans do you jump down their throat. The white house lies about Benghazi.. republicans should drop it. Louise Learner fucks up at IRS... just drop it. Yet a republican says something you think is nuts... and you are all over it.

You don't care about the policy.. you care about the politics.


I read the guy's article. He forgot to mention when the Dems wanted to impeach Bush for not finding WMD's. He forgot to mention people like you calling the Bush admin war criminals. He forgot to point out how wickedly republican blacks and women are attacked in the media by the Left. he forgot to point out how huge of a disgusting piece of shit Reid is... or how often Obama lies. (Obama recently said Republicans have filibustered 500 pieces of Democrat legislation... it's only like 123)

Both side have shit ass moments. This asshole no longer agrees with the republican party. he doesn't want to call himself a democrat, but he wants the Repubs to lose.

It's kinda like going to a Yankees game and booing them just cause you want them to lose, you don't care who is playing... only in this case.. there ~IS~ only one other team.

Ya you've got some good points there. Every mother wants to say her kid's President but never that her kid's a politician.

Your analogy would be accurate if you said the Yankees fans booed the Yankees for playing 'roid heads or doing other dishonorable shit that diminishes the entirety of baseball.

[Warriorbird]

How so?

Without compromise we wouldn't even have the Constitution. When we had a government that only functioned with unanimous votes it didn't work so well.

[Thondalar]

Without compromise we wouldn't even have the Constitution. When we had a government that only functioned with unanimous votes it didn't work so well.

This has nothing to do with what I said. Just because right is always right and wrong is always wrong, humans aren't going to always agree on which is which.

[cwolff]

This has nothing to do with what I said. Just because right is always right and wrong is always wrong, humans aren't going to always agree on which is which.

The only way right is always right and wrong is always wrong is if it's an immutable law of nature. The fact that humans don't agree is proof that there's no absolute right and wrong. Everything is a shade of gray.

[Thondalar]

The only way right is always right and wrong is always wrong is if it's an immutable law of nature. The fact that humans don't agree is proof that there's no absolute right and wrong. Everything is a shade of gray.

This is a terrible way to live, and I think is the cause of a lot of our problems. When you start allowing exceptions for anything, you have to make exceptions for everything. We're starting to see the long-term effects of that.

[cwolff]

This is a terrible way to live, and I think is the cause of a lot of our problems. When you start allowing exceptions for anything, you have to make exceptions for everything. We're starting to see the long-term effects of that.

It's been this way since humans were first able to begin to make up rules.

[Thondalar]

It's been this way since humans were first able to begin to make up rules.

Dishonest people have always looked for ways to get around them? I don't disagree with that.

[cwolff]

Dishonest people have always looked for ways to get around them? I don't disagree with that.

I thought you were a libertarian?

[waywardgs]

This is a terrible way to live, and I think is the cause of a lot of our problems. When you start allowing exceptions for anything, you have to make exceptions for everything. We're starting to see the long-term effects of that.

Understanding nuance and seeing change does not equal moral relativism.

[Thondalar]

I thought you were a libertarian?

I am. What does that have to do with anything?

[cwolff]

I am. What does that have to do with anything?

I think of libertarians as having very flexible rules and limited right vs. wrong. Each to his own kind of thing.

[Rallorick]

To say that either 'side' has no beliefs or values, and is just anti-opposition is a fairly common accusation. Neither 'side' really has any values, so I guess equally true either way... but this person actually opened by saying they weren't so really a democrat...

As far as the right or wrong discussion goes - absolutes are pretty simplistic, and should be defined by results, not principles. Just my opinion... I tend to think people put way more stock in their own principles, and disregard others... then they hide behind 'right and wrong' as if they are absolute because they say so.

[~Rocktar~]

We really never would have gotten out of the 1700s with this philosophy.

That is a retardedly black and white statement. I thought there were grays. Hypocrisy much?

[Methais]

Hey cwolff, I have a question.

Is Obama, in general, a liar?

JUST CURIOUS!

[Rallorick]

All politicians are liars. Obama is a politician.

Easiest venn diagram ever

[Warriorbird]

That is a retardedly black and white statement. I thought there were grays. Hypocrisy much?

Right here we have another example of "You suggested we had to have compromise to make the government work! You're mean and awful and not a compromiser for daring to say it!" I love it whenever I hear it.

[Delcry]

I agree with cwolff. Democrats don't go far enough in my most humble opinion and the Republicans are counter to everything I believe in.

2014 and again in 2016 is the time we Democrats take back our "Party of No" name and WE will be once again the Party of Obstruction.

We hope that all the Republicans fail, but unlike them, we will still support our new President, even if he is a Republican. We just will silently hope he will fail and not actually come out and say it.

[Methais]

I agree with cwolff. Democrats don't go far enough in my most humble opinion and the Republicans are counter to everything I believe in.

2014 and again in 2016 is the time we Democrats take back our "Party of No" name and WE will be once again the Party of Obstruction.

We hope that all the Republicans fail, but unlike them, we will still support our new President, even if he is a Republican. We just will silently hope he will fail and not actually come out and say it.

Your avatar is going to cause people to mistake you for ClydeR.

[Atlanteax]

Your avatar is going to cause people to mistake you for ClydeR.

It would seem that Delcry is an anagram for ClydeR.

[Methais]

It would seem that Delcry is an anagram for ClydeR.

Yeah...I noticed that right after I made that post.

Then I decided I was too lazy to delete it.

This is cwolff's fault.

[Keller]

All the "greys" are just distractions. Ultimately there is only right or wrong. When we allow exceptions to rules, those rules will eventually be useless.

Latrin, is that you? Are you trying to recreate ClydeR?

[Johnny Five]

I agree with cwolff. Democrats don't go far enough in my most humble opinion and the Republicans are counter to everything I believe in.

2014 and again in 2016 is the time we Democrats take back our "Party of No" name and WE will be once again the Party of Obstruction.

We hope that all the Republicans fail, but unlike them, we will still support our new President, even if he is a Republican. We just will silently hope he will fail and not actually come out and say it.

Lol?

[Tsk Tsk]

I think we can all agree on this based on poll results.

http://cdn.sheknows.com/articles/Tacos.jpg

[Methais]

I think we can all agree on this based on poll results.

http://cdn.sheknows.com/articles/Tacos.jpg

I fapped.

[Wrathbringer]

Hey cwolff, I have a question.

Is Obama, in general, a liar?

JUST CURIOUS!

6487

[Johnny Five]

I fapped.

Clearly white man tacos.

[Latrinsorm]

And yes Cwolff.. in American politics it pretty much is black and white. There are two parties. Policies can be shades of gray, but not the parties. Politician can be shades of gray, but not the parties. The Democratic party isn't in the middle, neither is the Republican party. our politics have become polarized in the recent decade for many reasons. But as it is.. there are very few real "moderates". because they are forced to "pick a side". Don't believe the hype. Both parties are ideologically in the middle. The only actual parties are pro-Administration and anti-Administration, always have been, always will be.
Standing on principle is maturity. Making everything a shade of grey is what children do.You're the one who always says both parties want to help America, they just have different beliefs as to the means. I think you're set off by the term gray, so let's just say both parties are white. (Not much of a stretch there anyway.)
Latrin, is that you? Are you trying to recreate ClydeR?Trying? No.