Dumb things conservatives say: [Archive] - The Gemstone IV Players' Corner

cwolff

10-05-2013, 11:28 PM

Did that guy say he's a 30 year federal veteran? Either he chose his words very carefully or very poorly.

He's either trying to say he's been working for the federal government for 30 years but wants to make it sound like he's a veteran, or he's saying he's a federal employee who is also a veteran yet that's not what it sounds like he's saying.

I don't know whether to slap the shit out of him or thank him for his service. Someone halp!

Don't know about that but I'm wondering why it had to be closed. It's just sidewalks. It's probably just partisan bs that caused the barricade.

This Neugebauer is a real treat though:

Neugebauer was last mentioned in The Two-Way back in March 2010, when he apologized for shouting "baby killer!" as Rep. Bart Stupak, D-Mich., was speaking on the floor of the House.

Tgo01

10-05-2013, 11:46 PM

Don't know about that but I'm wondering why it had to be closed. It's just sidewalks. It's probably just partisan bs that caused the barricade.

Not that I disagree with what you're saying but what do these park rangers do there then if they aren't needed?

cwolff

10-05-2013, 11:52 PM

Not that I disagree with what you're saying but what do these park rangers do there then if they aren't needed?

That's what I don't understand. It's not like there is a booth where you have to pay to enter, or roads and campsites that need to be patrolled. They could just as easily have left it barricade free. I'm assuming it's just politics as usual.

4a6c1

10-06-2013, 12:18 AM

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Archigeek

10-06-2013, 06:11 AM

That's what I don't understand. It's not like there is a booth where you have to pay to enter, or roads and campsites that need to be patrolled. They could just as easily have left it barricade free. I'm assuming it's just politics as usual.

I highly doubt the Whitehouse calls up the park service and says, "we want barricades here, here, here and here, stat! I would guess that there's a protocol for this. It isn't any different than what happened last time things were shut down. It sucks all around. No doubt about that, but blaming park service employees is totally off base.

Archigeek

10-06-2013, 06:18 AM

One of my all time fav's. A bit dated, but still worth a chuckle:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/press_box/2004/09/dennis_hastert_on_dope.html

Tgo01

10-06-2013, 11:57 AM

http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv183/rojodisco/wasted_zps42e918ff.jpg

This is just a stupid argument. Not surprisingly as far as I can tell this "story" originated from Huffington Post.

The House "wastes" money every week by being in session whether they are discussing repealing Obamacare or sitting on their asses doing nothing or discussing something else. It's not as if the House specifically pulled money from another area of government just to vote on repealing Obamacare.

I thought this was dumb things conservatives say, not dumb things Liberals think conservatives do therefore it's automatically fact.

Bobmuhthol

10-06-2013, 12:06 PM

The next best alternative to not voting on the same issue 42 times is not sitting on your ass and doing nothing.

Tgo01

10-06-2013, 12:22 PM

I guess that depends on whether or not whatever bill they ended up passing was passed by the Senate as well. That appears to be the definition of "waste" these days.

cwolff

10-08-2013, 01:40 PM

source: http://news.yahoo.com/arizona-de-fuhrer-barton-obama-134942788.html

"Someone is paying the National Park Service thugs overtime for their efforts to carry out the order of De Fuhrer," Barton wrote. "[W]here are our Constitutional Sheriffs who can revoke the Park Service Rangers authority to arrest??? Do we have any Sheriffs with a pair?"

Fuhrer, the German term for leader, is most often associated with Hitler.

"While the POTUS continues to punish the American people," Barton continued, "he keeps open his golf course, he keeps open Camp David, and he retains his and his wife's excessive staff and stable of Czars! I'll bet he has kept in service his 3 food tasters!!!"

"The Chief Executive is acting as an Imperial President," she added, "without regard to his citizens, only caring about his agenda. With all the exemptions he has unilaterally bestowed on many interest groups, could he not delay the ACA Individual Mandate for a single year? Without regard for the elected House of Representatives. What do you call that?"

Gelston

10-08-2013, 02:01 PM

Fuhrer is associated with Hitler? Gee Golly, thanks for the information!

Czar is associated with those evil people that ruled Russia too, like Ivan the Terrible!!!

Archigeek

10-08-2013, 02:08 PM

Okay here's another. And sorry in advance everyone. I realize picking on Michelle Bachmann is not fair or sporting in the least, as she's just so easy.

http://i.imgur.com/k18gmrk.jpg

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-october-3-2013/moment-of-zen---michele-bachmann---the-world-war-ii-memorial

Picking on Michelle Bachmann is seriously low hanging fruit, or maybe fruit cake is the right description. It's embarrassing that she's a fellow Minnesotan and has continued to get elected in my state. Thank God she's not running again. On a positive note, Jesse "the mind" Ventura is making political waves again! He always guarantees some good solid entertainment.

Latrinsorm

10-08-2013, 02:10 PM

sheThere's your problem right there.

cwolff

10-08-2013, 02:16 PM

Fuhrer is associated with Hitler? Gee Golly, thanks for the information!

Czar is associated with those evil people that ruled Russia too, like Ivan the Terrible!!!

EDIT: I'm editing this because I see the cause for confusion. I pasted the article and did not write any personal comments. I'll correct that now so there is no misunderstanding.

There's your problem right there.

I think she'd agree with you. Did you catch her testicle envy?

Methais

10-08-2013, 03:32 PM

Picking on Michelle Bachmann is seriously low hanging fruit, or maybe fruit cake is the right description. It's embarrassing that she's a fellow Minnesotan and has continued to get elected in my state. Thank God she's not running again. On a positive note, Jesse "the mind" Ventura is making political waves again! He always guarantees some good solid entertainment.

I'd still hit it.

Latrinsorm

10-08-2013, 05:23 PM

You would never threaten to physically assault a Republican former governor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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10-08-2013, 06:02 PM

This happened, and as of today, the United States is willingly, knowingly, intentionally sending arms to terrorists, now what this says to me, I’m a believer in Jesus Christ, as I look at the End Times scripture, this says to me that the leaf is on the fig tree and we are to understand the signs of the times, which is your ministry, we are to understand where we are in God’s end time history. - Michelle Bachman

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/07/michele-bachmann-end-times_n_4060063.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

"The Minnesota congresswoman referred to a decision by the Obama administration (http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2013/09/16/statement-nsc-spokesperson-caitlin-hayden-presidential-determination-res) to allow vetted Syrian rebels not affiliated with terrorist organizations to help them resist chemical weapons attacks, which was spurred by the Syrian regime’s use of chemical weapons on civilians," Tashman wrote. "While the administration’s move is only related to non-lethal, defensive and protective aid, Bachmann falsely claimed that 'President Obama waived a ban on selling arms to terrorists.'"

This chick if fucking scary.

cwolff

10-08-2013, 06:13 PM

Methais

10-08-2013, 06:32 PM

You would never threaten to physically assault a Republican former governor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

She would only consider it an assault at first...

Taernath

10-08-2013, 06:36 PM

This chick if fucking scary.

No argument from me. A fairly significant portion of Americans believe that the end times stuff will happen Any Day Now because of stuff written in the Bible, but an elected official who ostensibly bases their foreign policy on it is... yeah.

Archigeek

10-08-2013, 07:38 PM

She would only consider it an assault at first...

Uh, Bachmann was never governor... I believe that comment was in reference to the former Governor of Minnesota. He might be up for it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrDG4sPul8w

Methais

10-08-2013, 07:43 PM

Uh, Bachmann was never governor... I believe that comment was in reference to the former Governor of Minnesota. He might be up for it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrDG4sPul8w

http://youtu.be/GOxECFyUcLc?t=52s

Latrinsorm

10-08-2013, 07:48 PM

I tell you, you got an answer for everything, Gorilla.

Jarvan

10-08-2013, 08:31 PM

Okay here's another. And sorry in advance everyone. I realize picking on Michelle Bachmann is not fair or sporting in the least, as she's just so easy.

http://i.imgur.com/k18gmrk.jpg

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-october-3-2013/moment-of-zen---michele-bachmann---the-world-war-ii-memorial

Is that like when Dems say that they need to tone down the rhetoric, then call Republicans terrorists?

Republican flip flops tho lately have been nuts. I do got to admit, that people like Bachmann give the party a bad name, Then again, I don't think Weinner gave his party a great name either.

One reason why the insane people like Bachmann keep getting elected.. They play up to their base. It's likely her district has been gerrymandered so much that they may even believe the end days are upon us. One of the biggest reasons to do away with Gerrymandering.

Thondalar

10-08-2013, 08:48 PM

Is that like when Dems say that they need to tone down the rhetoric, then call Republicans terrorists?

Republican flip flops tho lately have been nuts. I do got to admit, that people like Bachmann give the party a bad name, Then again, I don't think Weinner gave his party a great name either.

One reason why the insane people like Bachmann keep getting elected.. They play up to their base. It's likely her district has been gerrymandered so much that they may even believe the end days are upon us. One of the biggest reasons to do away with Gerrymandering.

Congresspeople should be drawn randomly from the general populace, like juries.

Gelston

10-08-2013, 09:01 PM

Congresspeople should be drawn randomly from the general populace, like juries.

I'd actually like that for the House, keeping the Senate elected.

Thondalar

10-08-2013, 09:07 PM

I'd actually like that for the House, keeping the Senate elected.

I'm down with that. As long as they have term limits. Say...1?

Gelston

10-08-2013, 09:12 PM

I'm down with that. As long as they have term limits. Say...1?

I see the senate as being the senior guiding house, which I believe is the intent of it. I wouldn't mind them having a term limit of two terms of five years, so a decade total (If elected to a second term), since (at least in my view) you'd only be able to serve in the House for one four year term and then returned to your devices.

I don't think "career" politicians should exist, at least not on the Federal level though I'd argue that it shouldn't exist on any level. (I suppose four years House, ten years Senate, eight years President would be a career, but I'd be fine with someone taking that path.)

Latrinsorm

10-08-2013, 09:20 PM

Congresspeople should be drawn randomly from the general populace, like juries.
I'm down with that. As long as they have term limits. Say...1?It's called the Constitution, maybe you've heard of it? And it's perfect exactly the way it was written.
I don't think "career" politicians should exist, at least not on the Federal level though I'd argue that it shouldn't exist on any level. (I suppose four years House, ten years Senate, eight years President would be a career, but I'd be fine with someone taking that path.)Thomas Jefferson, John Jay, John Adams...

But as you know, like any good libtard I have personally fished the keys to various Founders' graves from the Potomac so I could spit directly in their faces, so let's try objective facts instead. What are the percentages of corruption (accused, then convicted) relative to time served in the Congress?

Gelston

10-08-2013, 09:21 PM

It's called the Constitution, maybe you've heard of it? And it's perfect exactly the way it was written.Thomas Jefferson, John Jay, John Adams...

But as you know, like any good libtard I have personally fished the keys to various Founders' graves from the Potomac so I could spit directly in their faces, so let's try objective facts instead. What are the percentages of corruption (accused, then convicted) relative to time served in the Congress?

You're interested, go ahead and find them.

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10-08-2013, 09:24 PM

It's called the Constitution, maybe you've heard of it? And it's perfect exactly the way it was written.

Oh snap!

http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/Oh+snap_16f994_4171366.gif

Jarvan

10-08-2013, 09:27 PM

I see the senate as being the senior guiding house, which I believe is the intent of it. I wouldn't mind them having a term limit of two terms of five years, so a decade total (If elected to a second term), since (at least in my view) you'd only be able to serve in the House for one four year term and then returned to your devices.

I don't think "career" politicians should exist, at least not on the Federal level though I'd argue that it shouldn't exist on any level. (I suppose four years House, ten years Senate, eight years President would be a career, but I'd be fine with someone taking that path.)

The Senate was originally appointed by the state, not elected. They were supposed to be the.. go figure, Statesmen, the educated people that ensured the good of the STATE was looked out for. I personally think shit went bad when they changed it to voting for them. Previously, if a Senator went against the interests of a state, they would be pretty much instantly recalled. Now, they can switch parties mid term and there really isn't a damn thing that can be done.

Gelston

10-08-2013, 09:33 PM

The Senate was originally appointed by the state, not elected. They were supposed to be the.. go figure, Statesmen, the educated people that ensured the good of the STATE was looked out for. I personally think shit went bad when they changed it to voting for them. Previously, if a Senator went against the interests of a state, they would be pretty much instantly recalled. Now, they can switch parties mid term and there really isn't a damn thing that can be done.

Yeah, if only it had stayed that way, but it didn't. I can't see the manner in which our esteemed members of Congress are selected, nor their terms, being changed anytime soon. The purpose of my dislike of a career politician, is that they become detached from their voter base and they don't even realize it.

Oh, and Happy Leif Erikson Day (10/9)!

Warriorbird

10-08-2013, 09:48 PM

Less powerful members of Congress are even more corruptable.

Latrinsorm

10-08-2013, 10:03 PM

You're interested, go ahead and find them.Well, we can take this list (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_federal_politicians_convicted_of_ crimes) and start with Truman because everyone knows that nothing bad happened under FDR, the first coming of our Lord and Savior BHO INRI GHOTI, so the list can't be trusted until after that. All figures given at the time of conviction:

Curley - 2 term rep
May - 8 term rep
Thomas - 5.5 term rep
Brehm - 3.5 term rep
Bramblett - 0.5 term rep
Lane - 7.5 term rep
Boykin - 14 term rep
Brewster - 1 term sen (finally!)
Ted er uh Kennedy - 3.5 term rep
Hastings - 3.5 term rep
McKneally - 1 term rep
Whalley - 6.5 term rep
Gallagher - 6.5 term rep
Hanna - 5.5 term rep
Brasco - 4 term rep
Podell - 3.5 term rep
Dowdy - 9 term rep
Tonry - 0 term rep (served 4 months in Congress, served 6 months in prison)
Clark - 10 term rep
Michael Myers - 2 term rep
Diggs - 16.5 term rep (first black guy on the list, just throwing that out there)
Richmond - 4 term rep

That gets us through Carter, and since you people wouldn't change your minds no matter what the numbers said and I'm only doing this for my own interest, let's take those 21 reps and see what we get: 116.5 terms over 21 gives us an average of 5.5 ± 1.0 terms. The average career of a representative according to the least known by far Manning sibling (http://www.senate.gov/CRSReports/crs-publish.cfm?pid=%260BL%2BR%5CC%3F%0A) was 4.6 terms and you can tell she'll never get a ring on account of not including an error bar, but to the best of our knowledge the two measurements are statistically indistinguishable.

Gelston

10-08-2013, 10:13 PM

Now, was it fun coming up with that list after I stated my reason not being related to scandals or corruption?

Tgo01

10-08-2013, 10:14 PM

Now, was it fun coming up with that list after I stated my reason not being related to scandals or corruption?

It's Latrin, he would find statistics on the drying times of different colored paints fun.

Thondalar

10-08-2013, 10:35 PM

It's called the Constitution, maybe you've heard of it? And it's perfect exactly the way it was written.

Yep! It says Senators are to be appointed by State Legislatures...if we actually did this I don't think the term limits would be necessary. But we don't, so. I would also not be at all opposed to an amendment to the Constitution forcing term limits. As I've stated in previous posts, I do believe that properly ratified amendments become part of the document. Congress and the SCOTUS deliberately circumventing it is what I'm against.

Thomas Jefferson, John Jay, John Adams...

But as you know, like any good libtard I have personally fished the keys to various Founders' graves from the Potomac so I could spit directly in their faces, so let's try objective facts instead. What are the percentages of corruption (accused, then convicted) relative to time served in the Congress?

Hmm...Thomas Jefferson was a Lawyer who only became a politician during the Revolutionary War. He was elected to the Virginia House of Delegates and then Governor of Virginia, during the war. After the war he was appointed to the Continental Congress. After a 2-year stint there he was appointed Minister to France. After that he was appointed Secretary of State. Vice President and President he did on his own, though.

John Jay was a Lawyer who also got into politics during the Revolution, but took a slightly different path than Jefferson...although President of the Continental Congress, that position didn't really mean anything...more of an honorific. Though briefly in the New York Congress and Minister to Spain, He spent most of his time as a Judge, either with the New York Supreme Court, or eventually the US Supreme Court, being appointed there by the OG. (Original George)

John Adams...gee, another lawyer, again entering politics due to the events leading up to and during the Revolutionary war...was a member of the Continental Congress from 1774 to 1777, but spent most of the time after that as an appointed diplomat to various nations...including Jolly Old England itself in 1785. He spent a couple years there before returning to the States and being elected Vice President, and then President. After failing in his reelection campaign he retired to private life.

Which one of these men sat in the same seat in Congress for 30 years serving no function other than making sure they got reelected again?

Latrinsorm

10-08-2013, 10:55 PM

It's Latrin, he would find statistics on the drying times of different colored paints fun.Do you have any???
Yep! It says Senators are to be appointed by State Legislatures...if we actually did this I don't think the term limits would be necessary. But we don't, so. I would also not be at all opposed to an amendment to the Constitution forcing term limits. As I've stated in previous posts, I do believe that properly ratified amendments become part of the document.So the Constitution should be literally interpreted but Amendments contradicting it should also be literally interpreted but not the 17th. Brother, it kind of sounds like you aren't for literal interpretation at all.
Thomas Jefferson was a Lawyer who only became a politician during the Revolutionary War.At the age of 32. The youngest Congressperson today is only 29, although in a clear sign of conspiracy the youngest Senator and Representative are both named Murphy. I warned you guys we couldn't trust those Papists, now look what your carelessness has wrought.
Which one of these men sat in the same seat in Congress for 30 years serving no function other than making sure they got reelected again?I naively assumed that "career politician" meant "someone whose career was in politics". I see now it means "a politician whose service Thondizzo does not find worthwhile for any number of as yet unspecified reasons", although in my defense we could have saved some time by being upfront about this in the first place.

Warriorbird

10-08-2013, 11:04 PM

I'm still not getting how more easily influenced politicians is a good thing. It becomes puppet of the year.

Gelston

10-08-2013, 11:13 PM

I'm still not getting how more easily influenced politicians is a good thing. It becomes puppet of the year.

I'm not getting how they are more easily influenced.

Warriorbird

10-08-2013, 11:21 PM

I'm not getting how they are more easily influenced.

Is that not almost immediately obvious?

To accomplish anything, they need pull, and who is ready and willing to provide that? To win a race, they need a tremendous amount of financing. Who provides that? They also will want a strategy to provide future reward, because they're human. Lobbying slots and working with a major corporation/law firm do an excellent job of forwarding that.

Latrinsorm

10-08-2013, 11:22 PM

I'm not getting how they are more easily influenced.If your job can be Congressman for the next 20 years, why do you need someone else to give you a job?

If you need to quit your job to be in Congress for 4 years and then need to find a job after that, wouldn't you be very strongly inclined to have one hand wash the other?

Gelston

10-08-2013, 11:31 PM

Is that not almost immediately obvious?

To accomplish anything, they need pull, and who is ready and willing to provide that? To win a race, they need a tremendous amount of financing. Who provides that? They also will want a strategy to provide future reward, because they're human. Lobbying slots and working with a major corporation/law firm do an excellent job of forwarding that.

Everyone would have the same pull as anyone else. And for the House, there would be no elections. They would be selected much like a jury. For the Senate, they'd only have two elections, their first and their second as they'd only have two five year terms. As far as that "strategy to provide future reward" I don't see how it could be any different then it is now. Heck, it might be less seeing lobbying would be a pretty full job market.

I think it is better to have more fresh faces in Congress more often.

Thondalar

10-08-2013, 11:33 PM

And that's basically what it boils down to. I prefer government by the people; others prefer to support the New Monarchy.

I thought we already won this war?

Gelston

10-08-2013, 11:37 PM

Latrinsorm

10-08-2013, 11:40 PM

And that's basically what it boils down to. I prefer government by the people; others prefer to support the New Monarchy.

I thought we already won this war?Every politician can lose an election, but (usually) only when someone runs against them. If you find a particular politician so distasteful, beat them. If you can't, support someone who's better. Who's stopping you... except you?

Warriorbird

10-08-2013, 11:41 PM

I don't see any more potential for exploitation then what occurs right now. You mention needing money for election campaigns, but the way I mention has less elections for an individual. Sure, people will become corrupted, but they won't be there as long as they are now.

Voting someone out loses all meaning. You could have an unbroken chain of quickly manipulated candidates. You gain, effectively, Tammany Hall 2 in that scenario. It's a disaster. What's obligating these people to serve the public interests or even be good at their jobs?

They don't have to care one bit for the voters any more.

Gelston

10-09-2013, 12:13 AM

Voting someone out loses all meaning. You could have an unbroken chain of quickly manipulated candidates. You gain, effectively, Tammany Hall 2 in that scenario. It's a disaster. What's obligating these people to serve the public interests or even be good at their jobs?

They don't have to care one bit for the voters any more.

Voting someone out sure does have meaning, they don't come back for another five years, not to mention impeachment proceedings do exist for Senators. A President doesn't have to care about voters after his reelection does he?

Obviously if the thing I said were to actually take effect (which it never will, until I become Emperor of Earth), I'd expect more safeguards, especially a way for the state to initiate recalls of Senators and the lottery-drawn members of the House.

Methais

10-09-2013, 09:28 AM

It's called the Constitution, maybe you've heard of it? And it's perfect exactly the way it was written.Thomas Jefferson, John Jay, John Adams...

Except at the time of its writing, Senators weren't elected.

http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/Oh+snap_16f994_4171366.gif

http://www.readthesmiths.com/articles/Images/Humor/Fail/fail-dogfood.jpg

Methais

10-09-2013, 09:31 AM

I'm still not getting how more easily influenced politicians is a good thing. It becomes puppet of the year.

Yes let's give them more power. I"m sure that will go well.

Warriorbird

10-09-2013, 10:04 AM

Yes let's give them more power. I"m sure that will go well.

Think about who less power is giving power to.

Methais

10-09-2013, 10:19 AM

Think about who less power is giving power to.

In a perfect world, campaign contributions would be limited to like $500 per donor or some small amount like that and require every dollar donated be documented. Then how do you get in a politician's pocket?

Atlanteax

10-09-2013, 10:25 AM

I think we'd be better off is for every state, something like Arnold Schwarzenegger once tried to do for California, is to have a non-partisan panel of retired judges draw up district lines, for every state, and essentially end gerrymandering.

(on that note, the effort was defeated in California by Pelosi)

Latrinsorm

10-09-2013, 04:50 PM

require every dollar donated be documented.I can help you with that...
Except at the time of its writing, Senators weren't elected.Irregardless.

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10-14-2013, 02:33 PM

Ted Cruz...

1. On Obama’s plot to kidnap him: “So this afternoon President Obama has invited the Senate Republicans to the White House. So after leaving here, I’m going to be going to the White House. I will make a request. if I’m never seen again, please send a search and rescue team. I very much hope by tomorrow morning I don’t wake up amidst the Syrian rebels.”

2. On the press: “The media wants America to give up and allow this country to keep sliding off the edge of the cliff.”

3. On the Constitution: “This is an administration that seems bound and determine to violate every single one of our bill of rights. I don’t know that they have yet violated the Third Amendment, but I expect them to start quartering soldiers in peoples’ homes soon.”

Shaps

10-14-2013, 02:41 PM

Atlanteax

10-14-2013, 03:57 PM

Yep, Back clearly did not pick up on that Cruz was not serious when he was making those comments.

4a6c1

10-14-2013, 04:08 PM

cwolff

10-14-2013, 04:14 PM

I don't know I kind of think, if you're a politician and a servant of the people you should be held accountable for everything you say whether it's joking or not. Cruz says stupid stuff like this all the time when he gets nervous. But there's a point at which you have to say to yourself, okay...I'm in the public eye and I'm a national figurehead for the conservative party...no more stupid jokes.

A big problem is that he's not accountable to the american people, only accountable to enough people in his district to get re-elected. We like to think that we pick our rep's but it's equally true that our rep's pick us.

I understand the anger that the Tea Party is expressing. The problem is that you can't govern from a place of anger. They are not really for anything, just against things. The USA has changed and these people are stuck in the denial, anger and bargaining stages of grief. It happens whenever we evolve. As latrin likes to point out the arguments they are making are the same arguments made for things like not allowing women to vote, institutional racism and even the debate over changing the name Redskins.

4a6c1

10-14-2013, 04:39 PM

Good points. And you're spot on that they are not really for anything. It's interesting how the demographic of the Tea Party tends to be boomers. They have been losing traction in social issues gradually over the last thirty years and now the economy is sunk, they are getting up there in years and they are trying to blame the younger generations for their problems. Its probably the most counterintuitive "uprising" the US has ever had. I see their collective message as "Hi, we're the boomers. We had it easy because our parents were brave as fuck for 2 world wars so that we could coast through life. Now these shitty new people are asking for all the same entitlements we had and fuck them! we're old and we want to be taken care of, only old people get welfare, hah!" History will also not fail to see they became popular with the rise of the first black president, whatever those facts imply.

cwolff

10-14-2013, 09:43 PM

Watching the news clips of the Veterans march on DC, including the idiot with the Confederate flag. I'm surprised how those guys were such dicks to the cops. Most of the cops were probably veterans.

Also surprised to hear them say stupid stuff like telling the cops they better clean up the horse shit off of "our" streets and telling them "you work for us". Isn't that the whole point Obama was making when he said "Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business—you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen." These folks are a real national treasure. It's just a shame they might make the news in other countries.

Taernath

10-14-2013, 09:51 PM

No particular demographic has a monopoly on idiocy, and I think some of them let the war hero talk go to their heads.

Tenlaar

10-14-2013, 10:15 PM

I've still been looking at the trucker's facebook page every now and then. It's such a sad display of idiocy and conspiracy theories. It makes me laugh while the last little bit of hope I had for humanity is squashed.

Methais

10-15-2013, 10:06 AM

Isn't that the whole point Obama was making when he said "Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business—you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen." These folks are a real national treasure. It's just a shame they might make the news in other countries.

No, that wasn't Obama's point at all. His point was YOU ARE ALL NOTHING WITHOUT GOVERNMENT!!!!!!!!!111

Tenlaar

10-15-2013, 12:08 PM

So I've been observing Pete Santilli's chat room. Aaaaaaand...wow.

pccountrydoctor: we need to realize that this Administration is already poised to shoot, kill and bury Americans, if necessary.
TopGun: This country was founded on Judeo-Christian Values and until we get back to our roots we will continue to falter
Alicia: our country started going to pot when they took prtayer out of schools and GOD out of everything
doug andrews: leave God out and there is no strength in the marines
pccountrydoctor: Those of us, awakened, are the leading edge of any hope this country has.

Yep, those are the guys I want forcing change in the country.

Methais

10-15-2013, 12:22 PM

Tenlaar

10-15-2013, 12:47 PM

Still better than communists.

Alicia: when we take the country back we NEED to put GOD back in HIS place leading the country
doug andrews: to take the country back we need God to take it
pccountrydoctor: Doug, we ALL believe in God's needed presense in this ... but we need to be God's angels in this, and act !!!
doug andrews: uniting without God is no true force
doug andrews: how can a general lead if he says nothing about God
Jeff65: Look people......Our Constitution was a divinely inspired document...it has witheld our government longer than any other....
grunt0311: we do God's work because we have faith in Him!
doug andrews: and this movement will break apart without him
doug andrews: without God this chat will not have power
liberj: without God we are nothing
TopGun: Jesus is all powerful, with or without this
asset: Just tried to call the Senators office to see if the impeachment rumors are true...no answer, and now my phone is dead.

Yeah...I think I prefer the communists.

Latrinsorm

10-15-2013, 01:05 PM

pccountrydoctor: we need to realize that this Administration is already poised to shoot, kill and bury Americans, if necessary.Now wait just a minute, there's no evidence that President Obama has a government program to bury Americans. I assume PC Country Doctor refers to Tabor, so shame on you Tabor.

Tenlaar

10-15-2013, 01:09 PM

Unfortunately I missed the line about how Obama has african, russian, and chinese armies hidden on other continents waiting for his command to storm the US. You would have liked that one, but it scrolled off too fast.

cwolff

10-17-2013, 04:18 PM

No, that wasn't Obama's point at all. His point was YOU ARE ALL NOTHING WITHOUT GOVERNMENT!!!!!!!!!111

I know better than to even ask for you to back this up but I am anyway. Can you support this argument with anything more tangible than whatever conspiracy you are able paraphrase?

In other news for Dumb Things Conservative Say:

Rove concludes:

"Barack Obama set the trap. Some congressional Republicans walked into it. As a result, the president is stronger, the GOP is weaker, and ObamaCare is marginally more popular."

Atlanteax

10-17-2013, 11:14 PM

Rove concludes:
"Barack Obama set the trap. Some congressional Republicans walked into it. As a result, the president is stronger, the GOP is weaker, and ObamaCare is marginally more popular."

That *is* dumb ... ObamaCare is definitely not more popular ... if anything, it is less so.

Back

10-17-2013, 11:36 PM

Atlanteax

10-18-2013, 09:08 AM

Heh, so Back's quantification of anything that is 'dumb' is merely what he disagrees with.

Bobmuhthol

10-18-2013, 09:13 AM

Heh, so Back's quantification of anything that is 'dumb' is merely what he disagrees with. Qualification?

Warriorbird

10-18-2013, 09:16 AM

I think we just nabbed another quote.

AnticorRifling

10-18-2013, 09:17 AM

Qualcomm?

cwolff

10-18-2013, 09:40 AM

"It's who wins and comes out of the fight that has long-lasting effects. And I got to tell you right now, out here in the real world, outside of New York and Washington, D.C., these people think Ted Cruz is a hero. They think that those Republicans in the House are heroes. And they think that Obama is destroying this country." - Tom DeLey

I watched that last night too. Was Delay drunk? The shit he was saying and the off camera groans and laughing, almost made Anderson Cooper and the other guy lose it. You could tell they were trying to remain professional but having some difficulty.

Warriorbird

10-18-2013, 09:43 AM

The Democrats and Republicans will run the most centrist candidates possible. The establishment will win the Republican war, because if they don't the Republicans are even more likely to lose. Why do you think I talk up the local Libertarian candidates so much?

Methais

10-18-2013, 06:15 PM

Rove is a conservative now?

cwolff

10-18-2013, 06:21 PM

That *is* dumb ... ObamaCare is definitely not more popular ... if anything, it is less so.

That's an interesting take on what just happened. Please link some sources.

Back

10-18-2013, 08:42 PM

Read something that said some republicans in the party are now calling it O'Boehnercare!

Methais

10-18-2013, 09:30 PM

Read something that said some republicans in the party are now calling it O'Boehnercare!

But I thought Viagra wasn't covered?

I doubt anyone was really surprised that Boehner caved. That's what republicans like him do cause they're a bunch of spineless dicktwats.

As dumb as I think most democrats' political views are, if republicans had the balls to keep up the fight like democrats do, this country would be in much better shape.

cwolff

10-19-2013, 11:36 AM

Samuel Wurzlebaker AKA Joe the Plumber in Christianity Today interview

“... People don’t understand the dictionary–it’s called queer. Queer means strange and unusual. It’s not like a slur, like you would call a white person a honky or something like that. You know, God is pretty explicit in what we’re supposed to do–what man and woman are for. Now, at the same time, we’re supposed to love everybody and accept people, and preach against the sins. I’ve had some friends that are actually homosexual. And, I mean, they know where I stand, and they know that I wouldn’t have them anywhere near my children. But at the same time, they’re people, and they’re going to do their thing.”

I like Sarah Palin a lot, actually. I just don't know if that's where God's leading her. I just know the Republican Party's done its best to blackball her. I don't know what her agenda is. If she ran, would I vote for her? Absolutely. John McCain was the lesser of two evils.

Methais

10-19-2013, 02:55 PM

Other than "I wouldn't have them anywhere near my children," where's the problem?

Wrathbringer

10-19-2013, 04:43 PM

Other than "I wouldn't have them anywhere near my children," where's the problem?

I don't even have a problem with that.

Methais

10-19-2013, 05:21 PM

I don't even have a problem with that.

For me if I had kids, it would depend on if said gay friends were flaming gay or just regular gay.

Rallorick

10-19-2013, 05:37 PM

I think there are two things that make it a pretty stupid statement for general publication, but given the media that published it, it's not that unusual, or 'queer' - notice this is used correctly here.

first, just because 'queer' exists as a defined word, it isn't used in that meaning when it's used as a slur for gay people. If you hear someone yell 'Hey Queer!' you don't think 'Oh, that gentleman thinks that other person is strange and unusual. I should applaud him for his command of the English language'.

second, after defending the slur because it's a proper word, he falls back on the 'some of my best friends...' which I think is generally accepted as bullshit - unless you know a lot of highly desperate people. Most people I know don't really call people who use slurs against them and justify it, don't think they deserve the same rights as you, and know that you don't think enough of them that they can be around your children, etc. 'friends'. I find that sort of hard to believe.

Wrathbringer

10-19-2013, 05:44 PM

For me if I had kids, it would depend on if said gay friends were flaming gay or just regular gay.

LOL

Tgo01

10-19-2013, 05:48 PM

Well it's a known fact that gays try to recruit others to their way of life at a very young age so he's smart to keep his gay friends away from his children.

Also gays can be cured of their gayness.

cwolff

10-19-2013, 05:51 PM

Well it's a known fact that gays try to recruit others to their way of life at a very young age so he's smart to keep his gay friends away from his children.

Also gays can be cured of their gayness.

Ya, they're like gypsies. If you're not careful they will steal your kids.

Wrathbringer

10-19-2013, 05:53 PM

Well it's a known fact that gays try to recruit others to their way of life at a very young age so he's smart to keep his gay friends away from his children.

Also gays can be cured of their gayness.

Actually, if the person is having a genuine gay attack, the human body has ways of shutting that whole thing down.

Tgo01

10-19-2013, 05:54 PM

Actually, if the person is having a genuine gay attack, the human body has ways of shutting that whole thing down.

Which is exactly why the gays try to recruit at a young age before the body develops this kind of defense from gayness.

It's basic science.

Methais

10-19-2013, 06:21 PM

I'm confused why real gaydar devices aren't being sold yet. At least in Spencer Gift stores if nothing else.

Is that store even around anymore?

Jeril

10-19-2013, 06:25 PM

Yes, that store is still around, I go in there for laughs from time to time.

Methais

10-19-2013, 06:31 PM

http://www.cracked.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/gaydar.jpg

Latrinsorm

10-20-2013, 07:23 PM

spineless dicktwatsYour depictions of human anatomy continue to impress and perplex.

Methais

10-20-2013, 07:25 PM

Your depictions of human anatomy continue to impress and perplex.

It's what I live for maaannnn....

Parkbandit

10-20-2013, 07:50 PM

Other than "I wouldn't have them anywhere near my children," where's the problem?

This.

Granted, I don't put much "faith" in God and his "direction", but I don't consider it "dumb" if someone believes in God and such.

Dumb, to me, is something like believing an island will capsize if too many people are standing on it.. or someone trying to redefine the word "is".

cwolff

11-13-2013, 07:58 PM

I can not believe she was almost the #2.

Former Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin has said Pope Francis has “taken her aback” with his liberal interpretation of Christianity and has expressed fears he may be being influenced by the mainstream media.

In an interview with CNN, Palin laid bare her misgivings about Pope Francis, who has impressed believers and nonbelievers alike with his humble and practical application of the gospel.

She told interviewer Jake Tapper: “He's had some statements that to me sound kind of liberal, has taken me aback, has kind of surprised me. There again, unless I really dig deep into what his messaging is, and do my own homework, I’m not going to just trust what I hear in the media.”

Perfect response:

Another wrote: “If Sarah Palin's this shocked by Pope Francis, she'll be catatonic when she finally gets round to reading about Jesus in the New Testament.”

Archigeek

11-13-2013, 08:26 PM

I can not believe she was almost the #2.

Perfect response:

I kinda mourn for the day when she's no longer in the media herself. Always good for a laugh and a Republican party setback.

cwolff

11-14-2013, 10:59 AM

I kinda mourn for the day when she's no longer in the media herself. Always good for a laugh and a Republican party setback.

That's the truth. Who's the democratic version?

Tgo01

11-14-2013, 11:03 AM

Who's the democratic version?

The current #2.

Tgo01

11-14-2013, 11:06 AM

Red Rep
Thread: Dumb things conservatives say:

.

I know, truth hurts :(

cwolff

11-14-2013, 11:20 AM

I know, truth hurts :(

You've got a point there. Every time Biden speaks there is a chance of something going very wrong

Warriorbird

11-19-2013, 08:52 AM

They’re teaching Mexicans how to speak English,” the council chairman said in reference to Biblioteca Hispana, a Hispanic-language segment of the Golden Meadow library branch. “Let that son of a bitch go back to Mexico. There’s just so many things they’re doing that I don’t agree with. … Them junkies and hippies and food stamps (recipients) and all, they use the library to look at drugs and food stamps (on the Internet). I see them do it.”

http://www.tri-parishtimes.com/news/article_d1cd291e-4bd9-11e3-acb2-001a4bcf887a.html

I would like to know if our immigration authorities are letting in people who believe in polygamy. Polygamy is against our law. We’ve brought in thousands of Muslims — I want to know if they made them sign a pledge to assure they’re not bringing in a bunch of wives who will now go on our welfare. Nobody can answer that question; I can’t get any answers to that question.

If memory serves, the Lord said, "Feed my sheep," not "get the smell of the sheep." And he did not mean soup kitchens, but more importantly the spiritual food essential for eternal life.

Latrinsorm

11-19-2013, 12:42 PM

"...they use the library to look at drugs and food stamps (on the Internet)."

I have a Constitutional right to look at anything I want on the Internet. It's in there somewhere, trust me.

Tgo01

11-19-2013, 12:53 PM

"...they use the library to look at drugs and food stamps (on the Internet)."

I have a Constitutional right to look at anything I want on the Internet. It's in there somewhere, trust me.

You also have the right to remain silent.

Hi yooo!!!

Latrinsorm

11-19-2013, 12:54 PM

I have chosen to waive that right. Could you tell?

Archigeek

11-19-2013, 01:17 PM

OMG, they look at food stamps! Next they'll be using old tube TVs as fire places, eating alpo for dinner and having epic battles with Humungus over gasoline.

All I can say in response is: break the deal, face the wheel.

AnticorRifling

11-19-2013, 02:41 PM

Those toubled times get us every time.

AnticorRifling

11-19-2013, 02:44 PM

Latrinsorm

11-19-2013, 02:54 PM

Faux Cyrillic is so, so annoying.

Methais

11-19-2013, 03:04 PM

I love a good old fashioned conservative temper tantrum. Let us not forget the glorious days of Obamas first presidential campaign. Psychos came out of the woodwork to make things like this.

http://i.imgur.com/yCJiJjE.jpg

Because liberals never do anything like that to republicans.

http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/marcuse/classes/33d/projects/media/BushHitlerShitAsshole.jpg

Anticor your argument would be better supported by a meme that was more widely distributed amongst the liberal base. I have never seen that one and I consider myself a COLLECTOR of such things.

I never saw the one you posted either. Therefore it must not really exist.

Besides, I thought you only collected severed cocks?

AnticorRifling

11-19-2013, 03:18 PM

Anticor your argument would be better supported by a meme that was more widely distributed amongst the liberal base. I have never seen that one and I consider myself a COLLECTOR of such things. If I were you I would use one from the Bush campaign. And yes, the A letter was substituted with a Cyrillic D, I assume in an attempt to make the name look more "foreign". Xenophobia strikes a hard punch in the heart of America.

I never saw the one you linked prior to you linking it, I'm going to need you to better support your argument.

Taernath

11-19-2013, 03:23 PM

Good job. That's exactly the one I was talking about. You make an excellent golden retriever.

GIS is a better one, it came back with hundreds of results in a matter of seconds.

Methais

11-19-2013, 03:33 PM

Good job. That's exactly the one I was talking about. You make an excellent golden retriever.

And you make an excellent hypocrite.

Warriorbird

11-19-2013, 03:57 PM

It's funny given that Methais has made fun of "But you do it too!" arguments.

Methais

11-19-2013, 04:14 PM

Oh Methais. Wouldn't I have to be making the meme's myself to be a hypocrite in this case?

You're not good at the smart stuff.

You never fail to deliver irony.

It's funny given that Methais has made fun of "But you do it too!" arguments.

http://youtu.be/eKxLTJvQHag

Methais

11-19-2013, 05:44 PM

That's because you're not good at the smart stuff.

But I'm here to help!

Plural non-possessive requires no apostrophe.

Example of correct use: Liberals are stupid.

Example of incorrect use: Liberal's are stupid.

http://i.imgur.com/MELivZl.jpg

Methais

11-19-2013, 06:02 PM

http://i.imgur.com/NGuKors.png

You'd better apologize to the Jews.

http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r400/DragonGod7/i-have-eliminated-all-the-juice.jpg

Latrinsorm

11-19-2013, 07:05 PM

Sheesh, who let that woman design a placard? It's not a NinjasLeadtheWay post, nobody's going to spend the time getting really close so they can read all the little words.

Thondalar

11-19-2013, 08:52 PM

Heee. I found something else that belongs in this thread.

HOMOSEX IS SIN

http://i.imgur.com/ouRo2am.jpg

Well, to be fair, according to his religion, homosexual sex probably is a sin. Besides, how do you know he's a Republican?

Thondalar

11-19-2013, 09:11 PM

Er...well...you specifically said it belonged in this thread, and this thread is dumb things conservative...oh...right. I mistyped. How do you know he's a conservative?

Thondalar

11-19-2013, 09:52 PM

On the scale of political leaning, traditionalism and orthodoxy are under purview of conservatism. Reverse that and progressive values (think feminism, birth control) are generally considered the purview of liberalism. I can find something more academic if you want but for the sake of convenience I took the top of google search.

social conservative

Web definitions

Social conservatism is a political ideology that focuses on the preservation of what are seen as traditional values. The accepted goals and ideologies related to preserving traditions and morality often varies from group to group within social conservatism. ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_conservative

Nah, here's what I think. The guy holding the sign isn't religious or conservative at all, but his father was killed by a roving pack of gays so he joined the demonstration to get revenge, and he's just holding whatever sign someone gave him to hold up.

Makes WAY more sense than his being a conservative religious loon.

cwolff

11-19-2013, 10:54 PM

He could've been trampled by one of those tranny parades. I mean, it could happen. Probably has PTSD. Poor guy.

Maybe he's just a drama queen.

Parkbandit

11-20-2013, 10:24 AM

Maybe he's just a drama queen.

That would make him a liberal.

Methais

01-24-2014, 11:49 PM

http://i.imgur.com/4AhIpVV.jpg

That's pretty dumb. Almost as dumb as Nancy Grace saying that potheads shoot, stab, and strangle each other.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7Bqob-weFk

In a few more years we won't have to hear this bullshit from either side because it will be legal everywhere and there will be nothing left to debate.

Warriorbird

01-25-2014, 12:01 AM

Hopefully someone will have fired Nancy Grace long beforehand.

Methais

01-25-2014, 12:08 AM

Hopefully someone will have fired Nancy Grace long beforehand.

She's one of those few people that you can just tell is a complete cunt from the moment she opens her mouth, regardless of what she's talking about.

Just the pitch of her voice screams CUNT louder than the guy atop the hill yelling RECOLAAAAAAAA.

Tgo01

01-25-2014, 12:32 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7Bqob-weFk

Did that dude on the right really try to make the claim that since he works for a non profit organization that he doesn't get paid?

I know a few CEOs (personally) who drive bentleys who would love to have a talk with him.

Methais

01-25-2014, 12:54 AM

It's probably because he kind of looks like George Zimmerman.

Tgo01

01-25-2014, 12:55 AM

It's probably because he kind of looks like George Zimmerman.

That's actually who I thought it was when I first saw your post. The guy on the left looks familiar too but I can't place who he looks like.

Methais

01-25-2014, 01:17 AM

That's actually who I thought it was when I first saw your post. The guy on the left looks familiar too but I can't place who he looks like.

He does look familiar, and now it's pissing me off because I can't think of who he looks like either.

In a desperate attempt, I came up with these, even though I already know they're wrong:

http://static3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100729174638/robocop/images/d/d5/Alex_j_murphy.jpg

http://cdn.crushable.com/files/2012/08/mal-what.gif

Latrinsorm

01-25-2014, 12:38 PM

In a few more years we won't have to hear this bullshit from either side because it will be legal everywhere and there will be nothing left to debate.Can't argue with that, look how well it worked for abortion.

Okay, look how well it worked for cigarettes.

Tgo01

02-02-2014, 12:22 AM

GOP strategists have worked hard since the 2012 election to keep Republicans from alienating female voters by holding training sessions and advising candidates to simply avoid talking about rape.

That's pretty fucking sad. "Look, guys, we shouldn't have to tell you that rape is bad but since you're not getting it just don't talk about rape at all."

Thondalar

02-02-2014, 12:56 AM

I know. Back in the days of Sarah Palin, dont laugh!, I felt like Repubs were going down the right road with women and then things just started to get dirty.

They need to bottle up their religious pretentiousness, so they can get away with being womanizing sleazeballs like Dems always do.

Methais

02-02-2014, 01:00 AM

Mike Huckabee(R): wanting birth control implies women have no control over their sex drives.

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/01/23/3199081/huckabee-women-libido/

Weak, pathetic, religiously driven arguement against putting more reproductive rights into the hands of women.

Also...Why do women need birth control anyways? Can't they just shut down their uterus if they don't want a baby? -Todd Akin (R)

:P

That's fantastic. Now here's what he said, but without being taken out context:

http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Ber7GcwCYAAo_mf.jpg

I think Huckabee is a massive dork regardless, but yeah.

Tgo01

02-02-2014, 01:14 AM

I just realized I got trolled by Think Progress, holy shit I must be tired.

GOP strategists have worked hard since the 2012 election to keep Republicans from alienating female voters by holding training sessions and advising candidates to simply avoid talking about rape.

Their "source" for this? Another "article" on their own website.

And if you follow their own link it brings you to a story about the "training sessions" Republicans were being signed up for and it turns out it was some smart ass group offering them training sessions.

And the advice to stop talking about rape was from a top GOP pollster because a couple of yahoos were talking out of their ass about rape and they figured it was better to distance themselves from rape talk altogether.

Warriorbird

02-02-2014, 01:33 AM

I just realized I got trolled by Think Progress, holy shit I must be tired.

Their "source" for this? Another "article" on their own website.

And if you follow their own link it brings you to a story about the "training sessions" Republicans were being signed up for and it turns out it was some smart ass group offering them training sessions.

And the advice to stop talking about rape was from a top GOP pollster because a couple of yahoos were talking out of their ass about rape and they figured it was better to distance themselves from rape talk altogether.

Just because you want to derp out like you like to about poor sourcing doesn't mean it's actually untrue.

David Vitter's PR lady is a pretty big deal in Republican polling/crisis managment circles.

The people who you claim are "selling sessions" have 365,000 members and gave 5.6 million to Republican candidates in the last election cycle. Not the biggest but not small either.

Tgo01

02-02-2014, 01:48 AM

Just because you want to derp out like you like to about poor sourcing doesn't mean it's actually untrue.

Except in this case it is. Did you even read what I quoted and what actually happened?

Holy heck.

Tgo01

02-02-2014, 02:03 AM

I just gave you far better sourcing for the general line which was reported across a bunch of websites, including conservative ones. Did you read that? Nope.

This coming from the man who claimed I said anyone was selling anyone anything.

Warriorbird

02-02-2014, 02:07 AM

This coming from the man who claimed I said anyone was selling anyone anything.

It turns out it was some smart ass group offering them training sessions.

Yawn. Research better.

Tgo01

02-02-2014, 02:09 AM

Offering == selling?

~Rocktar~

02-02-2014, 02:12 AM

I know. Back in the days of Sarah Palin, dont laugh!, I felt like Repubs were going down the right road with women and then things just started to get dumb.

FTFY

Warriorbird

02-02-2014, 02:14 AM

Offering == selling?

What is the core of contract law?

Tgo01

02-02-2014, 02:17 AM

What is the core of contract law?

Yo momma?

Warriorbird

02-02-2014, 02:20 AM

Yo momma?

Prostitution is theoretically the oldest profession and your mama jokes are theoretically the oldest insult.

waywardgs

02-02-2014, 02:50 AM

Tg, I think he just called your mom an old professor.

Jarvan

02-02-2014, 04:11 AM

Mike Huckabee(R): wanting birth control implies women have no control over their sex drives.

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/01/23/3199081/huckabee-women-libido/

Weak, pathetic, religiously driven arguement against putting more reproductive rights into the hands of women.

Also...Why do women need birth control anyways? Can't they just shut down their uterus if they don't want a baby? -Todd Akin (R)

:P

On a side note.. if the fed is going to be giving every woman free birth control, well, paid for by the tax payers, I don't think men should ever have to pay child support then again if the two people were not married, in a long term relationship, or it is documented that the man wanted her to terminate the birth.

After all, the government gave her birth control for free, how is it any longer any of the man's responsibility?

waywardgs

02-02-2014, 04:21 AM

On a side note.. if the fed is going to be giving every woman free birth control, well, paid for by the tax payers, I don't think men should ever have to pay child support then again if the two people were not married, in a long term relationship, or it is documented that the man wanted her to terminate the birth.

After all, the government gave her birth control for free, how is it any longer any of the man's responsibility?

Just gonna quote this. I've read too much stupidity on the internet today to reply though.

Warriorbird

02-03-2014, 09:06 PM

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-january-28-2014/wage-against-the-machine

Ah conservatives. They care about people.

Back

02-10-2014, 02:12 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/10/ben-carson-nazi-germany_n_4761388.html

WASHINGTON -- Ben Carson, the retired Johns Hopkins neurosurgeon and Fox News commentator, recently warned supporters of Oregon GOP Senate candidate Monica Wehby that progressives are turning the country into the next Nazi Germany.

Carson made the comparison during a Jan. 31 fundraiser he headlined for Wehby in Wilsonville, Ore. A video of his speech posted on YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeshVrvMsZs#t=10m0s) shows Carson discussing the "secular progressive movement," a term coined by Fox News' Bill O'Reilly to negatively characterize individuals with liberal or left-leaning values.

Carson said one of the main goals of progressives was to "fundamentally change who we are," and part of that entailed "keeping a blanket of silence over the majority." Most Americans have common sense, Carson added, but are afraid to speak out because they might be targeted or investigated by the IRS -- a reference to the agency's 2012 targeting of tea party groups. It was later found that progressive groups were also targeted, but Republicans have nonetheless used the IRS controversy to cast the Obama administration as authoritarian.

Carson then likened the status quo to Germany under Nazi leader Adolf Hitler, teeing up what he later implied was the choice facing voters in the 2014 midterm elections.

"There comes a time when people with values simply have to stand up. Think about Nazi Germany," he said. "Most of those people did not believe in what Hitler was doing. But did they speak up? Did they stand up for what they believe in? They did not, and you saw what happened."

"And if you believe that same thing can't happen again, you're very wrong," Carson added. "But we're not going to let it happen."

Latrinsorm

02-10-2014, 04:30 PM

I'm more disturbed that one neurosurgeon is deriding another (http://www.monicafororegon.com/). What is this country coming to? You can't show me one quote of the Founding Fathers that explicitly supports brain surgeon on brain surgeon violence.

Wrathbringer

02-12-2014, 08:34 AM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/10/ben-carson-nazi-germany_n_4761388.html

This folder is meant for "dumb" things, Back. Links to cold hard truth like this one go elsewhere.

Back

02-12-2014, 08:55 AM

This folder is meant for "dumb" things, Back. Links to cold hard truth like this one go elsewhere.

Live in fear, man. Fear at every turn. Of course the guys telling you that are the ones who can save you.

Wrathbringer

02-12-2014, 09:01 AM

Live in fear, man. Fear at every turn. Of course the guys telling you that are the ones who can save you.

...Said the SS officer to the Jew.

Methais

02-12-2014, 11:03 AM

Live in fear, man. Fear at every turn.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_jl08Pk11RNI/TAWVv9RSzhI/AAAAAAAAA4w/NDnKJTEUdxw/s320/idiocracy-chair.jpg

Of course the guys telling you that are the ones who can save you.

Says the guy who thinks the government is here to save us because that's what they tell you.

Methais

02-12-2014, 11:12 AM

There might actually be a line somewhere between "save us" and Nazi Germany.

Does that somehow change the irony of Back's "I love and trust everything government does as long as it's democrats because they're here to save us from evil conservatives" belief while simultaneously trying tell people that they should be suspicious of those who say they're here to save you?

Or is this the part where you respond with something completely irrelevant with the words republican and racist randomly thrown in?

Warriorbird

02-12-2014, 02:28 PM

Does that somehow change the irony of Back's "I love and trust everything government does as long as it's democrats because they're here to save us from evil conservatives" belief while simultaneously trying tell people that they should be suspicious of those who say they're here to save you?

Or is this the part where you respond with something completely irrelevant with the words republican and racist randomly thrown in?

Thread: Dumb things conservatives say:

That's the thing though. There's not. You believe the lie that there is. That's why you're liberal.

I think this laughably stupid rep pretty much points the arrow in a certain direction on who's more off base. Godwin's Law is what it is for a reason.

cwolff

03-08-2014, 09:27 PM

"Run, Sarah Run!"

Jarvan

03-09-2014, 08:43 AM

"Run, Sarah Run!"

While I agree that is pretty stupid. Maybe it depends on the context. If there was a dog chasing her... or if she was in a marathon?

Altho.... she was more right about Russia then the President, not that you or Back will ever admit that.

Warriorbird

03-09-2014, 08:57 AM

While I agree that is pretty stupid. Maybe it depends on the context. If there was a dog chasing her... or if she was in a marathon?

Altho.... she was more right about Russia then the President, not that you or Back will ever admit that.

Conservatives should probably make a decision about whether Putin is the bestest ever or he's a menace.

Jarvan

03-09-2014, 09:43 AM

Conservatives should probably make a decision about whether Putin is the bestest ever or he's a menace.

LOL. Wait.. isn't that what Obama should decide first. Then once he has decided. He can let you know. Then you can let me know, ok?

(remember when Obama told the old PM of Russia that Putin shouldn't worry, after he gets re-elected there could be a "reset")

Nahhhh....

You liberals will NEVER bad mouth your true Savior.

Warriorbird

03-09-2014, 09:50 AM

LOL. Wait.. isn't that what Obama should decide first. Then once he has decided. He can let you know. Then you can let me know, ok?

(remember when Obama told the old PM of Russia that Putin shouldn't worry, after he gets re-elected there could be a "reset")

Nahhhh....

You liberals will NEVER bad mouth your true Savior.

There's this fascinating two wrongs don't make a right theory that you never quite learned.

You've been obsessed with Obama since before he was even elected. I've made my criticisms of him quite clear. I think he attempted to negotiate too much with Republicans for years and destroyed his own mandate. I think NDAA and drone use are creepy as fuck. He did the exact opposite of what he claimed he'd do on Guantanamo. His use of the NSA is just as creepy as Bush's. His education policy is pure shit. The list goes on. You're arguing with the invisible "liberals" that you picture in your head here.

Your party, which you've lied about for years, presents no positive alternatives. Your fake party is even worse and has done nothing but damage America further.

Parkbandit

03-09-2014, 10:42 AM

Conservatives should probably make a decision about whether Putin is the bestest ever or he's a menace.

Which conservatives are you referring to that claim he's the "best" ever?

The only one I've heard give Putin praise was NBC during the Olympics. I think everything I've heard since the Russian invasion was Putin is a piece of shit and Obama is completely out of his league.

Parkbandit

03-09-2014, 10:44 AM

Your party, which you've lied about for years, presents no positive alternatives. Your fake party is even worse and has done nothing but damage America further.

The GOP offers no positive alternatives.. or you hold such blind hatred for anything non-liberal that you can't even manage to see anything?

Ker_Thwap

03-09-2014, 10:52 AM

I always thought it was just the young people who idealized Putin in memes. Never realized one party owned that.

Parkbandit

03-09-2014, 11:37 AM

I always thought it was just the young people who idealized Putin in memes. Never realized one party owned that.

I don't even think they idealize him.. I think it's more like making fun of him/Russia

cwolff

03-09-2014, 11:51 AM

You guys are joking right? Is this sarcasm? You're saying that the right isn't idealizing vladimir putin?

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-march-6-2014/big-vladdy---semi-delusional-autocrats

Back

03-09-2014, 12:32 PM

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/116859/putin-envy-and-american-conservatives

The Increasingly Awkward Conservative Crush on Putin

The reason for all this ancient history is the situation today in Ukraine, where an autocratic Russian leader who exudes manly vibes has ordered his armed forces into Crimea. It is unclear whether this move on Russia's part will prove successful, but, amidst uncertaintly among western leaders over what to do, there has arisen a new strain of the Burnham syndrome. Conservatives don't just see the west and President Obama as weak; they also seem envious of Putin's bullying. "There is something odd," Benjamin Wallace-Wells wrote (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/03/misplaced-question-of-obama.html) in New York magazine, "about commentators who denounce Putin in the strongest terms and yet pine for a more Putin-like figure in the White House."

Sarah Palin, for example, said this last night to Sean Hannity:

Well, yes, especially under the commander-in-chief that we have today because Obama's -- the perception of him and his potency across the world is one of such weakness. And you know, look, people are looking at Putin as one who wrestles bears and drills for oil. They look at our president as one who wears mom jeans and equivocates and bloviates. We are not exercising that peace through strength that only can be brought to you courtesy of the red, white and blue, that only a strengthened United States military can do.

Put aside the syntax for a moment and ask: is there not a bit of envy here? Isn't Palin very clearly desirous of a tough-guy president who wrestles bears and drills for oil? (The swooning over Bush's landing on that aircraft carrier was a telling sign.)

Now read Rush Limbaugh (http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2014/03/03/clueless_american_leaders_shocked_by_putin_s_attem pt_to_reassemble_soviet_union):

In fact, Putin—ready for this?—postponed the Oscar telecast last night. He didn't want his own population distracted. He wanted his own population knowing full well what he was doing, and he wanted them celebrating him. They weren't distracted. We were.

If only America wasn't distracted by silly things like the Oscars, perhaps we would have the strength to stand up to the tough Russia. (On his web page, Limbaugh has a photo of a shirtless Putin.) In case the point isn't obvious enough, Limbaugh continues:

Well, did you hear that the White House put out a photo of Obama talking on the phone with Vlad, and Obama's sleeves were rolled up? That was done to make it look like Obama was really working hard—I mean, really taking it seriously. His sleeves were rolled up while on the phone with Putin! Putin probably had his shirt off practicing Tai-Chi while he was talking to Obama.

Limbaugh quite clearly wants this kind of leader.

cwolff

03-09-2014, 12:38 PM

What's with the Mom jeans anyway? For a party that's fighting the "War on women" label you'd think they'd be smart enough to steer clear of disparaging women who no longer wear sexy pants because their bodies changed due to motherhood.

Tgo01

03-09-2014, 12:38 PM

Uh? Saying what a tough guy Putin is and what a weakling Obama looks like doesn't mean people have a "crush" on Putin.

Geezuz H Christ. Where do yo people come up with this shit? I think Putin is an asshole, I think he's been an asshole for a long time now. My opinion of him hasn't changed.

Do I think Putin is more of a "tough guy" than Obama? Well DUH! Would I rather have a more "tough guy" in the White House? Well that depends...not one that is going to invade MEXICO of all places! Maybe Canada.

But I would like someone in the White House who does more than play golf, campaign 24/7 and does his basketball picks every gosh dang damned week. Isn't Obama pretty much ignoring this Putin thing right now and is off vacationing in Florida?

cwolff

03-09-2014, 12:41 PM

Tgo01

03-09-2014, 12:43 PM

If you honestly think the President (any President) takes vacations you've already lost.

Well yes, Bush took over 1000 vacation days remember?!?!??!

Funny how that argument changes when a Democrats enters office :D

cwolff

03-09-2014, 12:45 PM

Well yes, Bush took over 1000 vacation days remember?!?!??!

Funny how that argument changes when a Democrats enters office :D

I know. It's shameful no matter which "side" does it. I never bought into that storyline when Bush was in office and I don't buy it now.

waywardgs

03-09-2014, 12:45 PM

Putin riding shirtless on a horse is Russian campaigning.

Parkbandit

03-09-2014, 02:00 PM

You guys are joking right? Is this sarcasm? You're saying that the right isn't idealizing vladimir putin?

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-march-6-2014/big-vladdy---semi-delusional-autocrats

When you get your political news from John Stewart and asking if we're joking.. you might want to rethink your position. You've officially hit Backlash level of political stupid. Congratulations.

cwolff

03-09-2014, 02:04 PM

When you get your political news from John Stewart and asking if we're joking.. you might want to rethink your position. You've officially hit Backlash level of political stupid. Congratulations.

It's got to hurt when comedians destroy your "news" organization on a regular basis.

Parkbandit

03-09-2014, 03:10 PM

It's got to hurt when comedians destroy your "news" organization on a regular basis.

Yes. I feel completely destroyed.

Really.

I would have hoped you had more than this to actually make a point... but we both know you don't. It's a comedy show... on a comedy channel... for liberal clowns.

Latrinsorm

03-09-2014, 04:38 PM

Yes. I feel completely destroyed.

Really.

I would have hoped you had more than this to actually make a point... but we both know you don't. It's a comedy show... on a comedy channel... for liberal clowns.We agree he is funny. Is he wrong? Do the clips he cite exist? Were they taken out of context?

The irony here is that you yourself construct posts not from what is truth but what you find amusing.

Warriorbird

03-09-2014, 04:41 PM

The GOP offers no positive alternatives.. or you hold such blind hatred for anything non-liberal that you can't even manage to see anything?

Not really. None of the proposed "solutions" work and the party seems focused on solely opposition.

Candor

03-09-2014, 05:34 PM

Well yes, Bush took over 1000 vacation days remember?!?!??!

Funny how that argument changes when a Democrats enters office :D

It's bad no matter what President does it. It was shameful for Bush, and it is shameful for Obama.

In any case, I dislike most of Obama's policies. As far as I am concerned, he can take all the vacation days he wants and I'll just ignore it.

Methais

03-09-2014, 05:36 PM

It's bad no matter what President does it. It was shameful for Bush, and it is shameful for Obama.

In any case, I dislike most of Obama's policies. As far as I am concerned, he can take all the vacation days he wants and I'll just ignore it.

I think people are more outraged over the ridiculous amounts of taxpayer money Obama spends on his 28704723904273094 vacations than the fact that he takes 28704723904273094 vacations.

Warriorbird

03-09-2014, 05:37 PM

Parkbandit

03-09-2014, 06:20 PM

Not really. None of the proposed "solutions" work and the party seems focused on solely opposition.

Give some specific examples of what a good liberal plan is (that's working or will work) and the counter GOP plan that doesn't work.

Warriorbird

03-09-2014, 06:26 PM

Give some specific examples of what a good liberal plan is (that's working or will work) and the counter GOP plan that doesn't work.

Only if you tell me some more good fairy tales about tort reform reducing healthcare costs, amnesty and work visas being good until Obama proposed it, and tax cuts creating revenue. Then tell me how illegal immigration was a huge priority when Republicans had the White House and Congress. I also want to hear about how deregulation protected the Gulf Coast from oil spills. Then we can to a cost benefit analysis of government subsidies yet have it explained how Democratic subsidies are bad. There are precious few other "conservative" ideas.

Jarvan

03-09-2014, 06:37 PM

Not really. None of the proposed "solutions" work and the party seems focused on solely opposition.

How do you know none of the solutions work, have we put them into effect and they failed? Or are you basing them working on your opinion? or something you were told by someone?

face it, you fundamentally disagree with the Republican party. You disagree with conservatism (which the republican's are not always part of sad to say). So of course you would think that anything they propose is not good.

Back

03-09-2014, 06:42 PM

In the category of SMART things conservatives say...

[Former Secretary of Defense Robert] Gates also reiterated his previous remarks (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/david-ignatius-the-cool-it-response-to-foreign-policy-rhetoric/2014/03/04/38cefa34-a3e6-11e3-a5fa-55f0c77bf39c_story.html) that his fellow Republicans should "tone down" their criticism of President Barack Obama over the Ukraine situation. Congressional Republicans have accused the president of being "naïve" (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/02/21/mccain-calls-obama-most-naive-president-in-history/) regarding Russia's actions and intentions in the region.

"Putin invaded Georgia when George W. Bush was president," said Gates. "Nobody ever accused George W. Bush of being weak or unwilling to use military force."

Jarvan

03-09-2014, 06:51 PM

Only if you tell me some more good fairy tales about tort reform reducing healthcare costs, amnesty and work visas being good until Obama proposed it, and tax cuts creating revenue. Then tell me how illegal immigration was a huge priority when Republicans had the White House and Congress. I also want to hear about how deregulation protected the Gulf Coast from oil spills. Then we can to a cost benefit analysis of government subsidies yet have it explained how Democratic subsidies are bad. There are precious few other "conservative" ideas.

Like always.. you can't answer a question. Why are all Liberals like you and Back. Ask you guys a question, and you say how bad the "other side" is instead. If it wasn't sad, it would be funny.

Amnesty was a Regan thing. I wasn't old enough back then to really like it or not, but if Bush had done it, I would have been pissed. We should NEVER give amnesty for people that sneak into our country illegally. It's like giving people a warning for DUI's it just encourages MORE DUI's. Why the fuck would anyone want to go thru the hassle, process, and cost of doing it right.. when you can sneak in for free! Work visa's I do agree with. They make perfect sense. So does securing our border.

The first Bush didn't have a Republican house, or Senate. So no luck there. The second... He had Congress for most of his term, but only the Senate for the first half. And those years he was dealing with the fallout of 9/11. Do you REALLY think he could have pushed anything tough through a Dem held Senate on immigration? I do fault Bush for not fixing the Immigration issue when he had the chance. Course, with the Clinton bad economy, and 9/11... he had a full plate.

Gelston

03-09-2014, 06:53 PM

I agree with amnesty at certain times. A kid that was brought here illegally when he was 2 and grew up here, went to school here, etc shouldn't be shipped to Mexico.

cwolff

03-09-2014, 07:08 PM

The first Bush didn't have a Republican house, or Senate. So no luck there. The second... He had Congress for most of his term, but only the Senate for the first half. And those years he was dealing with the fallout of 9/11. Do you REALLY think he could have pushed anything tough through a Dem held Senate on immigration? I do fault Bush for not fixing the Immigration issue when he had the chance. Course, with the Clinton bad economy, and 9/11... he had a full plate.

He didn't have to. McCain had a bi-partisan plan. It exploded over the course of one weekend when right wing radio got a hold of it. They called it amnesty. Rubio also had a plan. He may have been able to get somewhere with it especially considering his GOP credentials and multi-cultural appeal. Unfortunately the right killed that too.

Warriorbird

03-09-2014, 07:08 PM

Like always.. you can't answer a question. Why are all Liberals like you and Back. Ask you guys a question, and you say how bad the "other side" is instead. If it wasn't sad, it would be funny.

Amnesty was a Regan thing. I wasn't old enough back then to really like it or not, but if Bush had done it, I would have been pissed. We should NEVER give amnesty for people that sneak into our country illegally. It's like giving people a warning for DUI's it just encourages MORE DUI's. Why the fuck would anyone want to go thru the hassle, process, and cost of doing it right.. when you can sneak in for free! Work visa's I do agree with. They make perfect sense. So does securing our border.

The first Bush didn't have a Republican house, or Senate. So no luck there. The second... He had Congress for most of his term, but only the Senate for the first half. And those years he was dealing with the fallout of 9/11. Do you REALLY think he could have pushed anything tough through a Dem held Senate on immigration? I do fault Bush for not fixing the Immigration issue when he had the chance. Course, with the Clinton bad economy, and 9/11... he had a full plate.

It's interesting how you'd complain about questioning when using them as trolling/avoidance is precisely why I phrased my post the way I did. Then again you don't actually talk to people, you're talking to "liberals" so I can't even really take anything you say seriously.

Your complaint about Republican immigration policy would make sense if Mexico actually had the rule of law. The difference between paying a coyote to let you across the border and bribing officials to escape Tijuana is usually just that the officials cost more.

You only mentioned the first Bush (which I never mentioned) to attempt to detract from just how bad your "Dubya dealt with the fallout from 9-11" point was.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Presidents_and_control_of_Congress

Seems like he had control for a little bit longer than just 9-11.

He didn't have to. McCain had a bi-partisan plan. It exploded over the course of one weekend when right wing radio got a hold of it. They called it amnesty. Rubio also had a plan. He may have been able to get somewhere with it especially considering his GOP credentials and multi-cultural appeal. Unfortunately the right killed that too.

Pretty much indeed. Because damnit, those poor people really should bribe corrupt officials properly!

Parkbandit

03-09-2014, 07:20 PM

Latrinsorm

03-09-2014, 07:22 PM

Tgo01

03-09-2014, 07:36 PM

Whatever it was that President Obama did to pull us out of the recession.

Obama got us out of the recession by playing golf?

No wait, that can't be right. If his golf playing improved our economy our national debt would be zero by now.

Latrinsorm

03-09-2014, 09:12 PM

Obama got us out of the recession by playing golf?

No wait, that can't be right. If his golf playing improved our economy our national debt would be zero by now.Oh what, he has to be good at golf because he's BLACK???

Warriorbird

03-09-2014, 09:30 PM

What?

You are the one that stated that the GOP offers no positive solutions.

I'm simply asking for some examples, because I honestly can't think of any liberal plans that work better than conservative ones.

You ask for examples because there hasn't exactly been much conservative legislation lately and then you can nitpick everything I say. It's why discussion with you has been pointless for a while.

Now you try to go again to liberal programs because there really aren't any positive alternatives. If the magic powers of conservatism were really so much better it should be easy to lay out.

Jarvan

03-09-2014, 09:38 PM

It's interesting how you'd complain about questioning when using them as trolling/avoidance is precisely why I phrased my post the way I did. Then again you don't actually talk to people, you're talking to "liberals" so I can't even really take anything you say seriously.

Your complaint about Republican immigration policy would make sense if Mexico actually had the rule of law. The difference between paying a coyote to let you across the border and bribing officials to escape Tijuana is usually just that the officials cost more.

You only mentioned the first Bush (which I never mentioned) to attempt to detract from just how bad your "Dubya dealt with the fallout from 9-11" point was.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Presidents_and_control_of_Congress

Seems like he had control for a little bit longer than just 9-11.

Pretty much indeed. Because damnit, those poor people really should bribe corrupt officials properly!

Repubs had the house till 2007, but they only had the Senate till 2003. So.. no. He didn't have a super majority that could do anything he wanted. Unlike some.

Jarvan

03-09-2014, 09:47 PM

You ask for examples because there hasn't exactly been much conservative legislation lately and then you can nitpick everything I say. It's why discussion with you has been pointless for a while.

Now you try to go again to liberal programs because there really aren't any positive alternatives. If the magic powers of conservatism were really so much better it should be easy to lay out.

Of course.. YOU are claiming that the "intellectual" powers of the Liberals ARE so much better.

BTW.. how is the EU doing these days? How's Greece?

Face it, Liberal progressive ideas suck just as badly as uber conservative ones. It's the more middle ground that works. That being said.. what was it the Dems said recently.... getting fired/laid off from your job is a "good thing" because now your heathcare isn't tied to your job (if you get it from work, yes it is, the ACA version will SUCK) so you can be a "free agent" and do what you want.

Funny.. I never knew getting fired/laid off was a good thing. And to think, all those people that thought not having a paycheck was bad. Thanks Reid!

cwolff

03-09-2014, 10:05 PM

Gemstones

03-09-2014, 10:14 PM

Of course.. YOU are claiming that the "intellectual" powers of the Liberals ARE so much better.

BTW.. how is the EU doing these days? How's Greece?

Face it, Liberal progressive ideas suck just as badly as uber conservative ones. It's the more middle ground that works. That being said.. what was it the Dems said recently.... getting fired/laid off from your job is a "good thing" because now your heathcare isn't tied to your job (if you get it from work, yes it is, the ACA version will SUCK) so you can be a "free agent" and do what you want.

Funny.. I never knew getting fired/laid off was a good thing. And to think, all those people that thought not having a paycheck was bad. Thanks Reid!

You need to calm down and take a deep breath.

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Warriorbird

03-09-2014, 10:29 PM

Of course.. YOU are claiming that the "intellectual" powers of the Liberals ARE so much better.

BTW.. how is the EU doing these days? How's Greece?

Face it, Liberal progressive ideas suck just as badly as uber conservative ones. It's the more middle ground that works. That being said.. what was it the Dems said recently.... getting fired/laid off from your job is a "good thing" because now your heathcare isn't tied to your job (if you get it from work, yes it is, the ACA version will SUCK) so you can be a "free agent" and do what you want.

Funny.. I never knew getting fired/laid off was a good thing. And to think, all those people that thought not having a paycheck was bad. Thanks Reid!

I am? I'm simply asking for you to support you being a better alternative. You can't. If you like centrists you must love Obama, because he does a pretty poor job of being far left in anybody's minds other than Republicans like yourself.

A number of the primary economic powers in the EU would be most certainly classified as conservative (Germany for example) so your lame attempt at a dig isn't very effective.

Jeril

03-09-2014, 10:35 PM

I am? I'm simply asking for you to support you being a better alternative. You can't. If you like centrists you must love Obama, because he does a pretty poor job of being far left in anybody's minds other than Republicans like yourself.

A number of the primary economic powers in the EU would be most certainly classified as conservative (Germany for example) so your lame attempt at a dig isn't very effective.

Isn't Germany one of the places that is doing well over there though? Which would just further support his argument or lack there of?

Parkbandit

03-09-2014, 10:36 PM

Parkbandit

03-09-2014, 10:40 PM

Isn't Germany one of the places that is doing well over there though? Which would just further support his argument or lack there of?

Look at East Germany vs. West Germany circa pre-1990 for a difference of political philosophies and their impact on their respective country.

cwolff

03-09-2014, 10:42 PM

Look at East Germany vs. West Germany circa pre-1990 for a difference of political philosophies and their impact on their respective country.

Ya those East Germans were stupid liberals.

Parkbandit

03-09-2014, 10:46 PM

Ya those East Germans were stupid liberals.

Stupid socialists.. but yes, I agree with you.

cwolff

03-09-2014, 10:55 PM

Stupid socialists.. but yes, I agree with you.

Alright, now we're getting somewhere. Now, are those East Germans in a socialist system today?

Warriorbird

03-09-2014, 11:29 PM

I asked for examples because you were posting your usual liberal nonsense that isn't based upon facts, but it's based upon your feelings.

I knew you couldn't/wouldn't post an actual answer... because you looked at what you pulled out of your ass and found nothing there except some of your usual bullshit.

And once again you've failed to show that you have anything but feelings. These "facts" don't exist. You can't come up with a single positive alternative, just bile, which seems to be your main "feeling."

Look at East Germany vs. West Germany circa pre-1990 for a difference of political philosophies and their impact on their respective country.

The rest of us also understand the difference between Communism and socialism. You're in those feelings though. I understand you can't tell the difference.

Isn't Germany one of the places that is doing well over there though? Which would just further support his argument or lack there of?

The point was that blanket generalizations are silly. Germany is indeed doing well but they also were one of the reasons that Greece and Ireland (though not Spain) got onto shaky ground in the first place. The "Europeans are all socialists!" meme, just like the "welfare queen" meme that y'all like isn't quite so simple.

waywardgs

03-10-2014, 12:16 AM

I'm more into the "corporate welfare queen" meme myself.

Parkbandit

03-10-2014, 09:17 AM

And once again you've failed to show that you have anything but feelings. These "facts" don't exist. You can't come up with a single positive alternative, just bile, which seems to be your main "feeling."

Wait, what?

YOU were the one making the accusation. I simply asked you for a couple of examples. YOU couldn't think of anything, so you whined that even if you did, I would pick on you about your examples so that's why you didn't.

It was a simple task that I asked of you... support your claim. You couldn't.

It's time to take responsibility for your own actions... or in this case inactions.

The rest of us also understand the difference between Communism and socialism. You're in those feelings though. I understand you can't tell the difference.

I wouldn't exactly consider West Germany conservative either.. but there were 2 distinct political/economic philosophies at work in East/West Germany. One was capitalism.. and one was communism. One succeeded and one failed.

cwolff

03-10-2014, 09:56 AM

Wait, what?

YOU were the one making the accusation. I simply asked you for a couple of examples. YOU couldn't think of anything, so you whined that even if you did, I would pick on you about your examples so that's why you didn't.

It was a simple task that I asked of you... support your claim. You couldn't.

It's time to take responsibility for your own actions... or in this case inactions.

I wouldn't exactly consider West Germany conservative either.. but there were 2 distinct political/economic philosophies at work in East/West Germany. One was capitalism.. and one was communism. One succeeded and one failed.

Whatever point you and Jarvan are trying to make about the past and present perils of European style government is retarded.

This game you're playing about "I just asked a question" isn't fooling anyone either. No one here thinks you actually give a shit about having any type of healthy discussion which is why Warriorbird isn't taking your troll bait. He already told you that too.

Parkbandit

03-10-2014, 10:12 AM

Whatever point you and Jarvan are trying to make about the past and present perils of European style government is retarded.

It was a clear cut example of what economic system works and what doesn't. Same time, same country.. each half used a different system. One succeeded, one failed miserably.

It's not that complicated.

This game you're playing about "I just asked a question" isn't fooling anyone either. No one here thinks you actually give a shit about having any type of healthy discussion which is why Warriorbird isn't taking your troll bait. He already told you that too.

Trolling? I am responding to a point he was attempting to make... that liberals are the party of positive results and the GOP has none. I called him out for giving us a couple of examples. He couldn't.

No one is surprised that you are confused by this simple progression in conversation.

cwolff

03-10-2014, 10:43 AM

It was a clear cut example of what economic system works and what doesn't. Same time, same country.. each half used a different system. One succeeded, one failed miserably.

It's not that complicated.

And what does this have to do with the discussion or specifically Jarvan's contention that Europe sucks countered by a few other people who said that Germany's doing well? From that convo. you bring up E v. W Germany circa pre 1990. Are you just reminding us all that Soviet Style government wasn't any good? If so, thank you for that, but we know already. Are you comparing Obama's administration to the former E. Germany? Are you recommending that we follow Germany's example? I support that too. Socialized medicine, strong worker rights, higher taxes and state funded higher education. It sounds like a good plan but I don't see the U.S. right getting behind it too much.

Trolling? I am responding to a point he was attempting to make... that liberals are the party of positive results and the GOP has none. I called him out for giving us a couple of examples. He couldn't.

No one is surprised that you are confused by this simple progression in conversation.

Ya trolling. He made a point about the do-nothing GOP when he said that nothing they've proposed works and they just seem to be against everything. Instead of addressing his concerns in a mature way you challenged him to tell you what the Dems are doing. Be a man and address his point. He's not alone in thinking this way and it's going to come up in the next two election cycles. Latrin also said that whatever Obama did to get us out of the recession was a good thing. Obviously that was tongue in cheek but you completely ignored it too.

Now you're playing the victim card saying that he's not answering your questions. You've got some balls to act like a victim here. Warriorbird and Latrin both deserve some cogent response to their points. Maybe then we'll get to answering your troll posts.

Parkbandit

03-10-2014, 11:19 AM

And what does this have to do with the discussion or specifically Jarvan's contention that Europe sucks countered by a few other people who said that Germany's doing well? From that convo. you bring up E v. W Germany circa pre 1990. Are you just reminding us all that Soviet Style government wasn't any good? If so, thank you for that, but we know already. Are you comparing Obama's administration to the former E. Germany? Are you recommending that we follow Germany's example? I support that too. Socialized medicine, strong worker rights, higher taxes and state funded higher education. It sounds like a good plan but I don't see the U.S. right getting behind it too much.

It's like we speak two different languages...

Follow the thread. Start off with WB's post about how the GOP has no positive solutions at all. Someone then mentioned Europe failures, then how Germany was doing well. Germany is an example (prior to unification in 1990) of a country being split in 2 and one using capitalism and one using communism and how utterly different the economic results were.

That was all. Don't hurt your brain trying to think it's something else.

Ya trolling. He made a point about the do-nothing GOP when he said that nothing they've proposed works and they just seem to be against everything. Instead of addressing his concerns in a mature way you challenged him to tell you what the Dems are doing. Be a man and address his point. He's not alone in thinking this way and it's going to come up in the next two election cycles. Latrin also said that whatever Obama did to get us out of the recession was a good thing. Obviously that was tongue in cheek but you completely ignored it too.

Now you're playing the victim card saying that he's not answering your questions. You've got some balls to act like a victim here. Warriorbird and Latrin both deserve some cogent response to their points. Maybe then we'll get to answering your troll posts.

lolwut?

Here.. let me copy/paste the two posts in questions. No one is trolling anyone else.. except maybe you... but I honestly do not think you are trolling, but rather too stupid to understand the simple progression of a conversation.

Your party, which you've lied about for years, presents no positive alternatives. Your fake party is even worse and has done nothing but damage America further.

To which I responded with this post:

The GOP offers no positive alternatives.. or you hold such blind hatred for anything non-liberal that you can't even manage to see anything?

Not really. None of the proposed "solutions" work and the party seems focused on solely opposition.

Give some specific examples of what a good liberal plan is (that's working or will work) and the counter GOP plan that doesn't work.

If there isn't a single GOP proposed solution that would/have worked, then it should be a relatively simple task to put down some examples. I'm not playing the victim card at all.. I simply asked a question and so far, WB can't/won't answer it.

But.. in your warped reality, I'm the guy who somehow owes an answer to this thread.

Too funny.

Latrinsorm

03-10-2014, 11:35 AM

Of course.. YOU are claiming that the "intellectual" powers of the Liberals ARE so much better.

BTW.. how is the EU doing these days? How's Greece?Do you think Greece was run by a liberal party before its economic collapse? As for the EU as a whole, it's true that they suffered a double dip recession where we did not. If Obama is a socialist, it follows that the EU's problem was not being liberal enough, no?
It was a clear cut example of what economic system works and what doesn't. Same time, same country.. each half used a different system. One succeeded, one failed miserably.It is true that East Germany did not have the GDP per capita of West Germany in 1990, but do you have data for the other 50 years? This is an honest question, I can't find any online. I would guess that the picture looks different if we pick a date when the West was in recession.

cwolff

03-10-2014, 01:26 PM

It's like we speak two different languages...

Follow the thread. Start off with WB's post about how the GOP has no positive solutions at all. Someone then mentioned Europe failures, then how Germany was doing well. Germany is an example (prior to unification in 1990) of a country being split in 2 and one using capitalism and one using communism and how utterly different the economic results were.

That was all. Don't hurt your brain trying to think it's something else.

lolwut?

Here.. let me copy/paste the two posts in questions. No one is trolling anyone else.. except maybe you... but I honestly do not think you are trolling, but rather too stupid to understand the simple progression of a conversation.

To which I responded with this post:

If there isn't a single GOP proposed solution that would/have worked, then it should be a relatively simple task to put down some examples. I'm not playing the victim card at all.. I simply asked a question and so far, WB can't/won't answer it.

But.. in your warped reality, I'm the guy who somehow owes an answer to this thread.

Too funny.

Ya, it's like I said. Warriorbird brought up some concerns about the GOP. You failed to address that, in fact you ignored it with this tit for tat bullshit.

WB: the GOP has no positive solutions and is solely focused on Opposition.
PB: Oh ya, what's the left do? Answer the question, you're avoiding it.

Is that the extent of your ability to discuss complex issues? Maybe that's your comfort zone and an actual discussion is a secondary goal which lags far behind your number one goal of just calling people names without actually bringing a thing to the conversation.

At least try. Try to talk like a reasonable person. Express ideas of your own. Come up with new perspectives. The sum of your PC time is spent either in personal attacks or repeating GOP talking points. You say you're smart, you say you're this successful business guy; then contribute. Don't just be a knee-jerkoff reactionary.

Latrinsorm

03-10-2014, 01:45 PM

knee-jerkoffI'll admit I've heard of those videos, but I don't get the attraction. It seems like it would be dry and significantly asymmetrical.

Parkbandit

03-10-2014, 04:19 PM

Ya, it's like I said. Warriorbird brought up some concerns about the GOP. You failed to address that, in fact you ignored it with this tit for tat bullshit.

WB: the GOP has no positive solutions and is solely focused on Opposition.
PB: Oh ya, what's the left do? Answer the question, you're avoiding it.

WB: The GOP has no positive solutions.
PB: Can you give me some examples of where liberal ideas are working properly and the conservative alternatives offer no positive solutions?
cwolff: OMG U R TROLLING POOR WB! LEAVE HIM ALONE! HE DOESN"T HAVE TO ANSWER THAT, WHY DON'T YOU ANSWER THAT! YOU JERKOFF MEANIE POOPIE HEAD!!

Is that the extent of your ability to discuss complex issues? Maybe that's your comfort zone and an actual discussion is a secondary goal which lags far behind your number one goal of just calling people names without actually bringing a thing to the conversation.

At least try. Try to talk like a reasonable person. Express ideas of your own. Come up with new perspectives. The sum of your PC time is spent either in personal attacks or repeating GOP talking points. You say you're smart, you say you're this successful business guy; then contribute. Don't just be a knee-jerkoff reactionary.

WB was making a statement.. I simply asked him to give me some examples.

I don't know why you are getting so upset. I wasn't expecting him to step up and back up his claims with a couple of examples anymore than I would expect you to post in an intelligent fashion.

But seriously Backlash 2.0... carry on with your stupidity. It's almost entertaining.

Latrinsorm

03-10-2014, 05:45 PM

It was a clear cut example of what economic system works and what doesn't. Same time, same country.. each half used a different system. One succeeded, one failed miserably.Man, I've been looking into this more and it's really fascinating. Obviously we have to know where each Germany started before we can declare any level of success, and the starts of each Germany are pretty murky.

West
We loaned them $1.5b (1950) in the Marshall Plan, but then we forgave at least half of that debt as well as half of the reparations from WWI. They also didn't pay anything to the East until the 70s.

East
The USSR politely asked Poland and other Eastern Bloc states to waive some % of reparations due to them from East Germany, then politely asked East Germany to give it all to them instead to the tune of $10b (1950).

Additionally, it's not at all clear how natural resources were divided between the two. For instance, in 1970 West Germany went 9/49/43 in agriculture/industry/services and East Germany went 13/49/38. There has also been a very strong tendency since reunification to reunify the historical stats of the states. Consider this page (http://www.indexmundi.com/facts/germany/gdp-per-capita) as one of very very many that cheerfully lists a single Germany for 1970. There's a lot of context and misinformation going on, is my point.

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But we can still find the figures: from this source (http://books.google.com/books?id=8WkF4CjQBkMC&pg=PA178&lpg=PA178&dq=maddison+1995+german+democratic+republic&source=bl&ots=EfiY1Fv6b1&sig=qBMKtyu8sVA2QoimyNP1kxDbC1o&hl=en&sa=X&ei=BC4eU_yIGKGL0AGXsoGoBA&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=maddison%201995%20german%20democratic%20republic&f=false) we see that in 1950 West Germany had (213,942 / 49,983) / (51,412 / 18,388) = 53.1% higher GDP per capita, 70.8% higher in 1973, and 266.4% higher in 1990. Obviously, the narrative of capitalism vs. socialism makes no sense. Why would capitalism work from 1973-1990 and not from 1950-1973? Well, it turns out that West Germany suffered a severe recession in the late 60s, and in response a new Minister of Economics was appointed(?). What sort of economist was he?

"Schiller followed a different concept from Erhard's. He was one of the rare German Keynesians, and he brought to his new tasks the unshakable conviction that government had both the obligation and the capacity to shape economic trends and to smooth out and even eliminate the business cycle."

"The SPD-FDP coalition expanded the West German social security system, substantially increasing the size and cost of the social budget. Social program costs grew by over 10 percent a year during much of the 1970s, introducing into the budget an unalterable obligation that reduced fiscal flexibility (although Schiller and other Keynesians believed that it would have an anticyclical effect)."

It's important to note that in the short term these plans were wildly unsuccessful and castigated, and everyone involved was voted out of office... and yet from 1973-1990 West Germany dominated East Germany's growth. Okay, what was going on in East Germany around that time? Well, they avoided the 60s recession entirely while using the New Economic System (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Economic_System), a mild decentralization and capitalization of the economy. Worked great! Then in 1971 the decision-makers naturally decided to return to a fully socialist economy, and that was that.

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The moral of the story, as always, is that capitalism vs. socialism is a false (and rather inane) dichotomy. The most successful economies of the past century have been mixed: West Germany, Japan, China, the United States.

Gelston

03-10-2014, 05:50 PM

Additionally, it's not at all clear how natural resources were divided between the two. For instance, in 1970 West Germany went 9/49/43 in agriculture/industry/services and East Germany went 13/49/38.

West Germany wins, they can work at 101% as opposed to a puny 100%.

cwolff

03-10-2014, 06:02 PM

I'll admit I've heard of those videos, but I don't get the attraction. It seems like it would be dry and significantly asymmetrical.

True. It also proves the axiom that the only difference between pink and purple is the grip.

waywardgs

03-10-2014, 06:12 PM

True. It also proves the axiom that the only difference between pink and purple is the grip.

http://media2.giphy.com/media/iUJrcUATzeELu/giphy.gif

Warriorbird

03-10-2014, 06:41 PM

At least try. Try to talk like a reasonable person. Express ideas of your own. Come up with new perspectives. The sum of your PC time is spent either in personal attacks or repeating GOP talking points. You say you're smart, you say you're this successful business guy; then contribute. Don't just be a knee-jerkoff reactionary.

Don't worry. He's just not capable any more. The Emperor has no clothes. He really has no better alternatives. All he can do is try to pass the buck, throw out insults, or source arguments from elsewhere and not back them up.

Parkbandit

03-10-2014, 07:38 PM

Don't worry. He's just not capable any more. The Emperor has no clothes. He really has no better alternatives. All he can do is try to pass the buck, throw out insults, or source arguments from elsewhere and not back them up.

Passing the buck now means to ask you for examples to illustrate the hyperbolic bullshit you spew now.

Good to know.

Warriorbird

03-10-2014, 08:40 PM

Passing the buck now means to ask you for examples to illustrate the hyperbolic bullshit you spew now.

Good to know.

It means you're simply unable to list any positive alternatives and you've been trying to avoid it ad nauseum. If your mysterious fact based philosophy is so fact based you should be able to do it easily. I don't think there's anything hyperbolic about the notion of you being able to demonstrate why you're superior and why people should have your support.

You just have nothing left so you can't even identify any actual legislation. It's all based on opposition, just like you.

"But but list the Democratic programs!" I'm better at listing your proposals than you are. That's pathetic.

Parkbandit

03-11-2014, 07:42 AM

It means you're simply unable to list any positive alternatives and you've been trying to avoid it ad nauseum. If your mysterious fact based philosophy is so fact based you should be able to do it easily. I don't think there's anything hyperbolic about the notion of you being able to demonstrate why you're superior and why people should have your support.

You just have nothing left so you can't even identify any actual legislation. It's all based on opposition, just like you.

"But but list the Democratic programs!" I'm better at listing your proposals than you are. That's pathetic.

YOU were the one that made the claim the GOP offers "NO POSITIVE ALTERNATIVES". No one else made such a retarded claim. Just you.

I simply asked you to back that claim up.

You couldn't. I knew you couldn't.

Hyperbolic bullshit is the instrument of the intellectually bankrupt. It's all you have left.

It's all you ever have.

Wrathbringer

03-11-2014, 08:02 AM

Don't worry. He's just not capable any more. The Emperor has no clothes. He really has no better alternatives. All he can do is try to pass the buck, throw out insults, or source arguments from elsewhere and not back them up.

I just joined the conversation. Are you referring to obummer? If so, I agree, but you really think he was capable at some point? Why?

Atlanteax

03-11-2014, 09:15 AM

Don't worry. He's just not capable any more. The Emperor has no clothes. He really has no better alternatives. All he can do is try to pass the buck, throw out insults, or source arguments from elsewhere and not back them up.

I just joined the conversation. Are you referring to obummer? If so, I agree, but you really think he was capable at some point? Why?

Yes, he is describing Obama.

Warriorbird

03-11-2014, 09:36 AM

YOU were the one that made the claim the GOP offers "NO POSITIVE ALTERNATIVES". No one else made such a retarded claim. Just you.

I simply asked you to back that claim up.

You couldn't. I knew you couldn't.

Hyperbolic bullshit is the instrument of the intellectually bankrupt. It's all you have left.

It's all you ever have.

I already did. You didn't even read it. I asked you for positive alternatives. You're a Republican and you can't even give any which was the entire point.

I just joined the conversation. Are you referring to obummer? If so, I agree, but you really think he was capable at some point? Why?

A prime illustration of the http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/thanks-obama which is just as silly as Blame Bush was.

Tgo01

03-11-2014, 12:13 PM

I just joined the conversation. Are you referring to obummer? If so, I agree, but you really think he was capable at some point? Why?

That's who I thought he was referring to also when I read that post. I thought I had entered Bizarro world for a minute there.

cwolff

03-11-2014, 12:25 PM

That's who I thought he was referring to also when I read that post. I thought I had entered Bizarro world for a minute there.

Well Jarvan's sisters are welfare queens so it is kind of Bizarro world lately.

Taernath

04-06-2014, 01:07 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9Y24MFOfFU

cwolff

04-16-2014, 05:27 PM

Excellent.

Days after Senate Republicans unanimously blocked a vote on the Paycheck Fairness Act, Phyllis Schlafly, founder of "pro-family" organization Eagle Forum, claimed that providing women with equal pay for equal work would deter their chances of finding a “suitable mate” in a Christian Post op-ed published Tuesday.

Since a woman prefers to marry a man who makes more money than she does, Schlafly argued, decreasing the gender pay gap would leave women unable to secure a husband.

Schlafly, a longtime opponent of the Equal Rights Amendment, wrote:

Another fact is the influence of hypergamy, which means that women typically choose a mate (husband or boyfriend) who earns more than she does. Men don't have the same preference for a higher-earning mate.
While women prefer to HAVE a higher-earning partner, men generally prefer to BE the higher-earning partner in a relationship. This simple but profound difference between the sexes has powerful consequences for the so-called pay gap.
Suppose the pay gap between men and women were magically eliminated. If that happened, simple arithmetic suggests that half of women would be unable to find what they regard as a suitable mate.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/15/phyllis-schlafly-equal-pay_n_5154150.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

cwolff

04-16-2014, 05:33 PM

Cool commericial, stupid message. Especially for a guy from a state that account for 46% of it's budget to come from the Federal Government.

Montana currently receives approximately $1.77 in federal money for every one dollar that it pays into the government. This number has grown larger in past decades. In 2001, it received $1.61 for each dollar sent to Washington, and in 1981 it received $1.06. Some have referred to states like Montana that receive so much more in federal dollars as “welfare states.”

article (http://mediatrackers.org/montana/2013/07/09/final-budget-analysis-shows-almost-half-state-dollars-from-feds)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dOoXJI4vBns

waywardgs

04-16-2014, 05:38 PM

Cool commericial, stupid message. Especially for a guy from a state that account for 46% of it's budget to come from the Federal Government.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dOoXJI4vBns

LOL @ taking out a strike drone with a rifle. Good luck with that, buddy.

cwolff

04-16-2014, 11:38 PM

Rut Ro. He said out loud what he thinks. Guess he didn't get the word about kinder gentler -isms.

Missouri Mayor "Kind of Agrees" With Alleged Kansas Shooter About Jews

"He was always nice and friendly and respectful of elder people, you know, he respected his elders greatly," Dan Clevenger told KSPR, laughing. "As long as they were the same color as him. [He was] very fair and honest and never had a bit of problems out of him."

Clevenger later added that he "kind of agreed with [Miller] on somethings but I don't like to express that too much."

What kind of things do the two agree about, you ask? Clevenger elaborated to KSPR.

"There some things that are going on in this country that are destroying us. We've got a false economy and it's, some of those corporations are run by Jews because the names are there," he said. "The fact that the Federal Reserve prints up phony money and freely hands it out, I think that's completely wrong. The people that run the Federal Reserve, they're Jewish."

Oh.

This is not the first time Clevenger has publicly supported Miller's anti-semitism. KSPR unearthed a letter he sent nearly ten years ago to the Aurora Advertiser, in which the mayor endorsed Miller.

http://gawker.com/missouri-mayor-kind-of-agrees-with-alleged-kansas-sho-1563872386

Atlanteax

04-17-2014, 09:45 AM

Excellent.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/15/phyllis-schlafly-equal-pay_n_5154150.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

That *is* a dumb thing to say... much less believe.

cwolff

04-19-2014, 03:11 PM

I know I know! It's not fair to lump this guy in with the conservatives but this seemed like an appropriate thread. I can't stop chuckling over the image a sad Klan leader lamenting the setback from some crazy neo-nazi.

The carnage was devastating to many. Imperial Wizard Frank Ancona was upset, too.

"What this guy just did set back everything I've been trying to do for years," said Ancona, who leads the Traditionalist American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan.
...
"I believe in racial separation but it doesn't have to be violent," he told CNN. "People in the Klan are professional people, business people, working types. We are a legitimate organization."

One Klan leaders response to murders in Kansas (http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/19/us/jewish-center-shootings-kkk-rebranding/index.html?hpt=hp_c3)

Parkbandit

04-19-2014, 05:58 PM

Jeril

04-19-2014, 08:50 PM

Dumbass.

No need for name calling.

waywardgs

04-19-2014, 09:07 PM

Jeril is pretty much the most civil person on the PC. Strange times...

cwolff

04-19-2014, 11:30 PM

If he's not a Republican or Conservative, why does this seem like an appropriate thread?

Dumbass.

The truth is, the KKK are conservatives. I know you don't want to claim them in your set, but they hold to substantially the same values as the conservative movement they are just farther to the right than even the Tea-Party. If you want you can post some stuff about ELF or other liberal extremists to show that both sides have kooks.

Check out their websites. I'll post some samples below so you can see what I mean.

That way is the Christian way - law and order - love of family - love of nation. These are the principles of western Christian civilization. There is a war to destroy these things. Pray that our people see the error of their ways and regain a sense of loyalty. Repent America! Be faithful my fellow believers.

We stand for freedom of speech, law and Order. We are here to protect our family,race and nation. To exemplify a pure patriotism towards our glorious country. We are always looking for good WHITE PEOPLE to join the Fight. Our Government for the past few years have been working hard to bring in the New World Order. They have already took God out of our schools. They have already passed Hate Crime Bills to silence the word of God on Gay marriages.These bills keep preachers from talking about Homosexuals in the churches.The Government is allowing all these illegal immigrants into our nation.

You must swear to uphold the Declaration of Independence and Constitution of America 11. You must pledge loyalty to the United States of America and legally help keep our government from foreign or alien intrusions

This page follows up the rules with a petition to impeach Obama.

The very culture of America is being changed and most of us believe that it is by design. Christianity is constantly being attacked, family values are all but gone, homosexual unions are accepted, the youth respect no one, police and federal officers are gunned down in the streets regularly and the drug lords are running rampant. Child abuse, murder of children, rape and other violent crimes fill our streets and are even brought into our homes, yet, the liberals cry to take guns away from legal citizens and get huge amounts of support from our noble politicians.

If there is not a plot by the elite in Washington to undermine our society and bring this country to its knees, there should be as they are doing an excellent job of it. They are openly wanting to grant amnesty to those here illegally while we, the taxpayers, foot the bill, do with less ourselves, and help those very ones who are breaking the back of the working man here.