Soo....

[Blazing247]

<Think of how you would feel if you came here and posted that someone you thought you loved turned out not to be as wonderful as you imagined, and that as a result, other bad things happened... you lost property, a job, your dreams. And someone posted "Well, what did you expect?" Because that's what it sounds like. >

That's why you don't solicit opinions on personal matters on a public message board. With that said, she hasn't made this debate personal, so I don't think we should make it personal for her. She has been very respectful, and most of the bad mouthing has come from us.

[Ilvane]

I personally think that Caramia is right in this case. People sometimes don't think before they post here. Being honest is fine, being bitchy and saying things that could potentially hurt someone is another.

I tend to think that being nice gets further, or even wording things a bit differently sometimes works better than being outright bitchy.

-A

[The Korean]

How about this? None of you are right, none of you are wrong, since these are all opinions. So just state your fucking opinion, and stop attacking each other for the other's opinion.

[Betheny]

Originally posted by The Korean
How about this? None of you are right, none of you are wrong, since these are all opinions. So just state your fucking opinion, and stop attacking each other for the other's opinion.

God fucking damn it your opinion sucks.

JK. <3!

[Wezas]

I think we should all listen to what Stanley said at the top of this page and learn from it.

[DeV]

I'm done here. :grouphug: Get some sex tonight.

[Betheny]

Originally posted by DarkelfVold
I'm done here. :grouphug: Get some sex tonight.

:( Now you're just being mean.

[DeV]

Damn, now I might be accused of turning this into a thread about sex. Forget what I said.

:grouphug: stands.

[Mistomeer]

In my limited dealings with Whatley, I've found him to be the most reasonable person at Simu.

I only fault him for keeping so many people on staff that do more to drive away customers rather than bring in new customers and keep current ones.

[ryllina]

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
<<Ashley is a fine lady and a gentile person>>

She loses points for being Christian.

(smirk)

For the record, I haven't taken offense to anything anyone has said in this thread.

Much worse has been said about me on these boards before... I've grown a thick enough skin to take it. ;)

Ashley

[Edited on 9-8-2004 by ryllina]

[Betheny]

Originally posted by ryllina

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
<<Ashley is a fine lady and a gentile person>>

She loses points for being Christian.

(smirk)

For the record, I haven't taken offense to anything anyone has said in this thread.

Much worse has been said about me on these boards before... I've grown a thick enough skin to take it. ;)

Ashley

[Edited on 9-8-2004 by ryllina]

I kinda figured that if you were worried about it you would have said something. You don't seem like the type that needs people to defend you.

I didn't mean anything by it, I swear!

[Gan]

Originally posted by Blazing247
...That's why you don't solicit opinions on personal matters on a public message board.

Probably, hands down, the most important rule to live by on these boards.

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by Caramia
But what you said WAS hurtful and it certainly came across as snide. Anyways, Ashley is a fine lady and a gentile person, and she doesn't deserve to be on the receiving end of coarse comments or told-you-so's.

I have to disagree Caramia.

I like Ashley, and I'll admit i was more than slightly wary when i heard she had become a GM because of her relationship with Whatley, but was won over by what seemed a determination to be pleasant, profesional and productive.

I certainly have no axe to grind with her and wish her only the best.

Ok, that being said, all I took from Maimara's post was that being in a relationship with a boss is just taking something that is difficult most times and adding a tremendous amount of dangers to it.

We all know it. I hoped things would work out, but how can we be surprised that he would be a jerk when the relationship ends. It doesnt mean we agree with it or think it was in any way correct, but just that it is not all that shocking.

Dissapointing? Yes.
Shocking? No.

[Brattt8525]

You know, this has gotten kind of....ridiculus? I mean come on we all sometimes say things in the wrong way maybe. Does that mean we should single one person out and hang them?

Hell Maimara even...pretty much apologized if how she said something was taken in the wrong way. Hell this is text, there is no way to add or tell what a tone really is. The very fact she apologized, is making me feel that maybe i don't have to fear her so much !!!!!

Give it a rest...sheesh

[The Korean]

plz let this discussion die.

[Betheny]

hey caramia, time for you to lay some pwnage on methais.

http://forum.gsplayers.com/viewthread.php?tid=9328&page=3#pid234442

[Methais]

<<Short version:

I broke up with David so he had Melissa fire me.>>

A lot of guys tend to get really pissed off and do shit like that when the girl who took their virginity breaks up with them...especially when it took them 35 years to get laid (no, that's not a shot at you) :D

<<Don't be too hard on Melissa... It wouldn't have been wise for her to put her job in jeopardy over me - especially since she and her husband both work for Simutronics.>>

Agreed. Especially since her resume' would look something like:

JOB ACCOMPLISHMENTS:

- Took a really really great game and turned it to complete shit

- Gave the green light on countless changes that over time, drove away thousands of loyal and long-time customers, causing a price increase in order to compensate for our losses, but ended up driving even more people off and generating less overall revenue in the longrun

[Brattt8525]

Originally posted by Methais
<<Short version:

I broke up with David so he had Melissa fire me.>>

A lot of guys tend to get really pissed off and do shit like that when the girl who took their virginity breaks up with them...especially when it took them 35 years to get laid (no, that's not a shot at you) :D

<<Don't be too hard on Melissa... It wouldn't have been wise for her to put her job in jeopardy over me - especially since she and her husband both work for Simutronics.>>

Agreed. Especially since her resume' would look something like:

JOB ACCOMPLISHMENTS:

- Took a really really great game and turned it to complete shit

- Gave the green light on countless changes that over time, drove away thousands of loyal and long-time customers, causing a price increase in order to compensate for our losses, but ended up driving even more people off and generating less overall revenue in the longrun

this why I adore you....:D

[Methais]

<<hey caramia, time for you to lay some pwnage on methais.

http://forum.gsplayers.com/viewthread.php?tid=9328&page=3#pid234442 >>

What's wrong with that?

[Caramia]

At the request of others, I agreed to drop the whole discussion.

Suffice it to say that there's a big difference between the two comments made and a comparison attempting to identify them as being similar or in the same vein.

Besides... it's Methais...

[Jazuela]

Well lessee - what are the various topics and subtopics here?

1) Sorry you lost your job Ash - if you were doing a good job (and everyone here agrees you were) then it's gotta suck. Good luck looking for another one - it's a tough market out there.

2) Sorry you and David didn't work out. Breaking up (and things that lead up to the breakup) are always rough on both sides, no matter whose "fault" it was.

3) To the general membership of the PC: I seem to recall WAY back when you discovered that Ash became engaged to David, and then got a job at Simu - that everyone was VERY quick to point fingers and accuse her of sleeping her way to the top. Hell - I might've been one of those people too, I don't remember who posted which words. I just remember there were WEEKS worth of VERY nasty comments being flung from all directions.

I just find it amusing that everyone is conveniently forgetting that. I'll say this though: IF she slept her way to the job, then oh well - sucks to be her for losing it, and it STILL is sorrowful that she's unemployed, no matter how she got the job.

If she didn't sleep her way to the job, then uh - same thing. Being unemployed is no picnic.

4) Regarding "Wrongful Termination" - this applies to very specific legal criteria. Discrimination, Whistle-blowing, Defamation, and other matters of labor law. An "at will" employee can be terminated from their job for NO REASON if the boss is just in the mood to fire someone that day, and there's nothing the ex-employee can do about it other than collect an unemployment check. As long as David didn't violate the -specific- criteria of the "wrongful termination doctrine" AND as long as the state has actually adopted that doctrine, then he did nothing that she can sue him over.

On the other hand, Harrassment is part of the "Wrongful Termination" doctrine - so if she really wanted to persue it, she could try that angle - that he tried to coerce her to continue a sexual relationship with him that she didn't want to have, and fired her as a result. But since she had willingly gone into that relationship and became engaged to him - willingly - that's gonna be ridiculously difficult to prove.

Whether David's a moron or Ashley slept her way to her position, or the little green men caused all this - it doesn't really matter. I feel bad that someone is out of work. I feel bad that a relationship didn't work out. And it sounds like the game lost out on a great GM, so I feel bad about that too.

That is all.

[CrystalTears]

Yeah, that was WAY back. People can change, you know. Even after it happened and the finger pointing was over and done with (and a lot of that finger pointing and accusation was from Edge, thankyouverymuch), people started to see that she was very good at her job. People came here and starting feeling bad for how they treated her back then and felt that she had earned her right as a GM. I still don't think that excuses him firing her from a job she was very good at simply because they no longer get along.

She's better off now anyway. She's free from the controlling jerk and she can get on with her life away from GS.

[Wezas]

Finger pointing was pointed out in one of the links I supplied.

Basically search for posts with "Hunterleigh" in them before this horribly long topic.

[LordSagan]

Fuck the NDA ;) I'll give away Simu secrets /whistles

You didn't need the job, Ashley...nobody deserves to be reduced to working for Simu...much less having to deal with David every day. You had it worst than most, having to deal with him around the clock. I never could figure out why any woman would get involved with him in the first place, aside from the money.

Speaking of which....sue the shit out of the company. Make Tom and Neil come down hard on him for making such an incredibly stupid business decision ;)

Oh, and post embarassing snipets about your time with him. I'm always up for a good laugh at Simu's expense. /snicker

[PassinBy]

Originally posted by LordSagan

You didn't need the job, Ashley...nobody deserves to be reduced to working for Simu...much less having to deal with David every day. You had it worst than most, having to deal with him around the clock. I never could figure out why any woman would get involved with him in the first place, aside from the money.



How do you really feel about him? Please stop restraining yourself :)

As for posting the embarassing about him, bloody hell right you should post it. I've got a fiver that says he's a naughty boy who needs more than a bit of punishment.

[LordSagan]

I rarely restrain myself ;)

[Wezas]

Originally posted by LordSagan
I rarely restrain myself ;)

That's not what I heard.

http://www.stationhouse.com/outpost/catalog/b_images/104H-104LBAR_labled.jpg

[Celtic]

Originally posted by LordSagan
Fuck the NDA ;) I'll give away Simu secrets /whistles

You didn't need the job, Ashley...nobody deserves to be reduced to working for Simu...much less having to deal with David every day. You had it worst than most, having to deal with him around the clock. I never could figure out why any woman would get involved with him in the first place, aside from the money.

Speaking of which....sue the shit out of the company. Make Tom and Neil come down hard on him for making such an incredibly stupid business decision ;)

Oh, and post embarassing snipets about your time with him. I'm always up for a good laugh at Simu's expense. /snicker

Sagan's always good for a laugh.

::Checks his NDA::

Nope, can't say much about that... not atoll...

However, I can say..

The sequence of events do not surprise me. That they actually happened is the biggest surprise. Honestly, Ash, I thought for sure you were set in this relationship.

Whatever anyone wants to think of David, that of course is their opinion and they're entitled to it, but the amusing thing about it was all the talk about suing Simu for wrongful termination.

Ash, not sure if you ever were on the payroll from the office, but if you were, you do have a rather healthy chance of prevailing either in a settlement to make it go away or an actual award. It's very winable.

As a contractor tho, that's a horse of a different colour. This was not a "job". This was a consultant position. One that can and be expected to be terminated. For the measley few dollars that they said we "earned", there is no leg to stand on in court.

So there ya have it kiddies.

Sorry about everything that you went through Ash. Just remember, I'll save you the next time. <grin>

Oh, Bob? You're freakin' hysterical.

Sagan? You're STILL ugly.

:-)

[LordSagan]

Maybe...

At least I don't have that god awful accent. :talktohand:

[Tsa`ah]

Originally posted by LordSagan
Maybe...

At least I don't have that god awful accent. :talktohand:

I think that was a pwn.

Spill it though, what kind of god awful accent?

Does he say "y'all" and "digiyete"?

[Edited on 9-10-2004 by Tsa`ah]

[Parkbandit]

Open Letter to Alan (Celtic)

Dear Alan;

When you first left Simutronics, you posted here to keep checking on your website because you were going to post something big. It has been MONTHS since this promise and still nothing.

Here is a quote from your post: (Exibit A)


Pay attention to my website in the coming weeks (about 2) for some interesting updates and some pretty cool news.

The date of this quote was 4/15/2004. This was in direct response to other posts asking you what happened with your relationship to Simutronics.

Now, may I present exibit B -

Celtic's new workshop?? (http://www.lordceltic.com/)

As you can see, your website no longer exists. I can only assume that you've departure from Simutronics:

a) Put you in financial ruin, thus forcing you to sell your website off.

b) Prompted a huge tell all post on your website (which I somehow missed) and Simutronics sued you to have it removed.

c) Put you into a deep depression that you had to delete your website as part of a 12 step plan for better mental health.

Set the record straight Alan.

Concerned for your mental health,

Dr. Falgrin

[SpunGirl]

Aw, PB is concerned.... who know he was such a softie?

:heart: PB

-K

[Betheny]

Uh, from reading that snippet you posted, PB -- it doesn't imply to me that he's going to release any secrets or anything... Could be referring to anything.

[Chadj]

Dear ParkBandit,

Whenever people refer to you as PB, I think of this (http://www.ebaumsworld.com/peanutbutter.shtml).

Love,
Chadj


Also, I don't see 100% how thats talking about how he was going to release secrets. And David sucks.

[Edited on 9-10-2004 by Chadj]

[Myshel]

Does he say "y'all"
[Edited on 9-10-2004 by Tsa`ah]

No but I do
:moon:

[DeV]

Originally posted by Jazuela
3) To the general membership of the PC: I seem to recall WAY back when you discovered that Ash became engaged to David, and then got a job at Simu - that everyone was VERY quick to point fingers and accuse her of sleeping her way to the top. Hell - I might've been one of those people too, I don't remember who posted which words. I just remember there were WEEKS worth of VERY nasty comments being flung from all directions. :rolleyes: Classic example of a blanket statement which offered nothing to the discussion.

[CrystalTears]

She's also talking about something that happened on the older boards, I would venture to say about two years ago. The member list has changed quite a bit since then, and I'm sure their feelings on matters as well.

[Chadj]

Very true, Vold.

I NEVER SAID ANYTHING NASTY :(

[LordSagan]

No, he doesn't say "Ya'll"...he has a New York/Jersey accent.

I'm still waiting for that website update too, Alan. C'mon...spill the dirt.:popcorn:

[Sean]

I'm pretty sure he posted here about why he decided to not post it to some degree or another. I"m just too lazy to look it up.

[Betheny]

Originally posted by Chadj
Very true, Vold.

I NEVER SAID ANYTHING NASTY :(

You were a fetus.

Originally posted by Maimara

Originally posted by Chadj
Very true, Vold.

I NEVER SAID ANYTHING NASTY :(

You were a fetus.

...Taste the fetus...

[Chadj]

Maimara <3 children

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Chadj
Dear ParkBandit,

Whenever people refer to you as PB, I think of this (http://www.ebaumsworld.com/peanutbutter.shtml).

Love,
Chadj





This is what I get when I click on the link:


Access to this web page is restricted at this time.

Reason:
The Websense category "Tasteless" is filtered.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

URL:
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/peanutbutter.shtml


Tasteless PB?? SAY IT'S NOT SO!!!!

[Bobmuhthol]

I got:

IT'S PEANUT BUTTER JELLY TIME!!!

[Betheny]

Originally posted by Chadj
Maimara <3 children

If I wasn't at work, I'd be posting a picture of a coat hanger.

[Methais]

PB & ChadJ

[Warriorbird]

That kinda has a flow to it. Almost Pete Rock and C.L Smooth-ish.

[Chadj]

Originally posted by Maimara

Originally posted by Chadj
Maimara <3 children

If I wasn't at work, I'd be posting a picture of a coat hanger.

Ahem..

AHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHHA.

Thank you.

[Betheny]

Originally posted by Chadj

Originally posted by Maimara

Originally posted by Chadj
Maimara <3 children

If I wasn't at work, I'd be posting a picture of a coat hanger.

Ahem..

AHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHHA.

Thank you.

Is my working really that amusing?

[Celtic]

Originally posted by Parkbandit
Open Letter to Alan (Celtic)

Dear Alan;

When you first left Simutronics, you posted here to keep checking on your website because you were going to post something big. It has been MONTHS since this promise and still nothing.

Here is a quote from your post: (Exibit A)


Pay attention to my website in the coming weeks (about 2) for some interesting updates and some pretty cool news.

The date of this quote was 4/15/2004. This was in direct response to other posts asking you what happened with your relationship to Simutronics.

Now, may I present exibit B -

Celtic's new workshop?? (http://www.lordceltic.com/)

As you can see, your website no longer exists. I can only assume that you've departure from Simutronics:

a) Put you in financial ruin, thus forcing you to sell your website off.

b) Prompted a huge tell all post on your website (which I somehow missed) and Simutronics sued you to have it removed.

c) Put you into a deep depression that you had to delete your website as part of a 12 step plan for better mental health.

Set the record straight Alan.

Concerned for your mental health,

Dr. Falgrin

Hey Dr PB.. Thank you much for your open letter, but I did respond to you.

http://forum.gsplayers.com/viewthread.php?tid=7948

:-)

Sagan... it's now forgetaboutit ya'all. LOL

Alan.

[AnticorRifling]

Talked to her once. She was good to go. It's BS you got fired for that. I'm like an hour for St. Louis you need me to riot? FYI I can't think of any GM I haven't got along with. Some of you must be just abbasive as hell because I know I'm strong headed and they still listen to me. Tired.

[Methais]

That's because you're SUPER Anticor! <huge hugs>

[Methais]

From that link Celtic posted:

<< I left it as a difference in philosophical differences and some of you on the uptake were very astute in your emails to me and caught on.>>

Is this just a polite way of saying "These dipshits ruined the game (especially wizards) and their egos forbid them to listen to any constructive advice from the people and GMs that actually still PLAY the game, and continued on with their nerfing spree, so I told them to eat a dick sandwich."

If so, then bravo. If not, then that's what you should have meant :D

That's because you're SUPER Anticor! <huge hug

buhahahahahahfdo'ihfh'[fqhfana'fbhofhahahahahajas'nboicawpjqawef

[MrThorbizzle]

Hah, David Whatley can suck it!

I made a char named Davidwhatley Crazydude...Didn't last long

[Jay]

I heard he was fired but I suppose saying one has left due to differences is not entirely inaccurate if so. The difference was that he saw himself as an employee and they did not.

[That Jay]

Supposedly, she has just been rehired. On that lies a tale, I imagine.

[CrystalTears]

Who has?

[Fallen]

Celtic was a guy (pretty sure)...

[Xaerve]

Celtic is a guy, and I'm guessing that he's talking about Hunterleigh.

[Ilvane]

Did they really rehire Hunterleigh?

Angela

[CrystalTears]

I seriously doubt it.

[Augie]

I'll have to give her a call and find out. I just saw her at UniCon and she didn't mention anything, but who knows?

[CrystalTears]

Ha! Jay must have friends in high places. No tale, she's just considering returning to GS as a GM.

[Jenisi]

Granted she was an excellent GM and brought a lot to the game... but as a person... I haven't read this whole thread and today's the first time I actually saw it (took a break from even looking at the boards) but should she WANT to return to a company that fired her for breaking up with somone? I know I wouldn't waste my time with that..

[HarmNone]

I agree with you, Ilvane. She was treated very shabbily, and I don't think I'd put myself in the position to be treated so again. Perhaps, though, she loves the game enough to want to be a part of it again and is willing to take that chance. If so, I wish her all the luck. She'll probably need it.

[CrystalTears]

You mean Jenisi, HN. You need to get back on those memory meds. :D

[HarmNone]

Hee! Yeah, I meant Jenisi. I'd just read Ilvane's earlier post expressing surprise that Simu would hire Hunterleigh back. I'm a lot more surprised that Hunterleigh would even consider honoring such a request. She must really love the game to do that, and I can respect that.

Off to the doctor! I've never been on memory meds, but it may be time to start! :D

[Stanley Burrell]

She must really love the game to do that, and I can respect that.

Werd. I think that if she as the individual truly sees the benefits of coming back as a GM outweighing the negative in the general spectrum of things, for her, then why not?


Off to the doctor! I've never been on memory meds, but it may be time to start! :D

Meh, just drink a warm, ceramic cupful of some floofy Asiatic-looking ginseng brew and you shall have the motor neuron capacity of an aesthetic Pagan Priestess with fifth degree black belts in the ancient Shaolin art of APRNursing in no time (or at least pretend you're getting an awesome placebo effect as such :-X)

[Sean of the Thread]

Who cares?

[CrystalTears]

Apparently Jay did since he felt the need to revive a 2 year old thread to announce his findings.

We get it. You know people. I didn't know we needed to fill Celtar's seat. :D

[That Jay]

Considering all the nice comments about Ashley earlier in the thread, I just thought folks would be happy to know she is back. :)

Its not exactly that big a secret. Khaladon was crowing about it to anyone willing to listen over in Platinum.

~Stepford Jay

[HarmNone]

I'm glad you posted it, Jay. It's good to hear news of people remembered. I didn't know her in-game, but she's posted here on the boards, and seemed like a very nice person. I wish her well. :)

[Landrion]

While I might have considered starting a new topic for it instead of the bumping...Im glad you posted about it too.

[CrystalTears]

I just think it's funny that people are talking about her return, because when I asked her about it, she said she hasn't even signed anything or logged into her account. Nothing is official. She's amazed anyone knows.

Khaladon has a big mouth. Good grief. :D

[Shari]

Khaladon has a big mouth. Good grief. :D


You're just now finding that out?

[TheEschaton]

Off to the doctor! I've never been on memory meds, but it may be time to start!

You just don't REMEMBER being on the memory meds.

-TheE-

[HarmNone]

:scared: Gah! You may be right, TheE! I'll have to ask the doctor if I've been on such a thing before.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I just remember her being pretty :) And nice. More pretty though!

[Augie]

I just remember her being pretty :) And nice. More pretty though!

You are right on both accounts.

And if you would have come to UniCon, you could have hung out with her! :P

[Apathy]

Hunterleigh is a funny name.

[Kembal]

Well, for those interested, I just saw Hunterleigh's name in my arrivals window. I guess she is back.

[Nilandia]

Yep. I saw her log in last night, too.

Gretchen

[Olanan]

I thought this just happened. >_>

Fucking dates.

[SpunGirl]

I guess since it's been doubly said that must make it DOUBLE TRUE. It's good that we have an extra verification in case the first person was just making it up!

-K

[Augie]

I guess since it's been doubly said that must make it DOUBLE TRUE. It's good that we have an extra verification in case the first person was just making it up!

-K

Teehee, that and she posted in the Socializing folder on the play.net forums that she's back ;0>

:heart: Ashley

[Merzbow]

Looks like she has her GM position back again also - posting as GS4-Hunterleigh on the officials.

[CrystalTears]

Er yeah... that's what we were talking about. :tongue: