Soo....

[ryllina]

Now that I got fired, am I allowed to post here? :smilegrin:

Ashley/Ryllina (formerly Hunterleigh)

[Souzy]

lolz GTFO. Why'd they bag you?

[Jonty]

Only if you tell us why you were fired.

[Snapp]

:O You got fired???? I thought that was unpossible and stuff!

[DeV]

Damn.. why'd they fire you?

[Nakiro]

Do say.

[Souzy]

Oh just so my post is some what diff. than everyone elses, cos ya know...we're nosey and stuffs, so you must answer that question! But, I'm sure it doesn't matter that you worked for SIMU/anywhere else to post here. I wasn't laughing at you getting the boot from SIMU, I was laughing at that fact that you posted that you got bagged now you wanna post at PC. Welcome to the boards and give us the 411.

[Nakiro]

Also, did Khaladon get your job?

[Makkah]

Simu fucked up this time.


rht

[ryllina]

LOL!

Short version:

I broke up with David so he had Melissa fire me.

[Meos]

Welcome to the neighborhood.

[Nakiro]

I'm sure you can get a better job.

[Jonty]

Originally posted by ryllina
LOL!

Short version:

I broke up with David so he had Melissa fire me.

Wow, so are GS prices going to drop back now?

j/k :lol: Couldn't help it.

[Snapp]

Sorry to hear that. Hope it helps you move on to better things... and yes, definitely, welcome to PC!

[Souzy]

LOL Jonty! I feel so wrong for laughing at that one. That's messed up. Guys are dicks for real and he was more of a pussy for not doing it himself. <--what an oxymoron. Boys will be boys, no matter how old. WTF ever, shit happens for a reason, just go party in the mean time.

[Edaarin]

That was unexpected.

[Souzy]

I still say he's a pussy for getting one of his puppets to bag her.

[Jonty]

Okay, so spill the juicy SIMU secrets now. :)

[ryllina]

Six days after being offered a promotion too. ;)

[Nakiro]

Wait for it, Klaive will show up and tell you that you've failed at life.

That's when you know you're an offical member of the PC boards.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Lalana
I still say he's a pussy for getting one of his puppets to bag her. And here I was biting my tounge. I agree 100% Lalana.

[Makkah]

Well I don't really disagree with him getting Melissa to do it as much as it was even an option in the first place. You get your work done, you should stay a GM... relationship or not.

Fucked up, shawty.


rht

[Souzy]

Originally posted by DarkelfVold

Originally posted by Lalana
I still say he's a pussy for getting one of his puppets to bag her. And here I was biting my tounge. I agree 100% Lalana.

Psssshhaw! Like I'd hold back girl, haha! That's wack. He got his emotions mixed in with business, then he had someone do his dirty work, ooookay buddy. I hope he doesn't mess with my account now, haha!

[StrayRogue]

I agree with Rhett. Being dumped isn't grounds for being fired. You've probably got a lawsuit on your hands if you want to pursue it, unless of course there is a "reason" for you being fired. And what happened to the NDA? I know Celtic is still under it, why aren't you?

[Drew]

Hunterleigh was very patient helping me figure out why the hell my bastard sword kept switching to one handed from two handed, plus I think she was mentioned a lot on the "your favorite GM" thread. So apparently you were doing something right, sorry to hear you got sacked.

[Drew]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
And what happened to the NDA? I know Celtic is still under it, why aren't you?

If you get fired for breaking up with someone, most likely you aren't going to get pursued by the company for breaking an NDA.

Plus 99% of NDA's are unenforceable anyway, just meant to scare folks.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
I know Celtic is still under it, why aren't you? She let him keep the ring?

[StrayRogue]

Ah excellent. I have TONS of questions that only a GM could answer :D Time to get my list out.

[Scott]

I have a feeling this isn't her....

[Makkah]

I can verify that it IS Ash.

rht

[StrayRogue]

Well if it is her or isn't her, Hunterleigh has been fired for the reasons specified in the initial post.

[Sean]

If she intends on seeking legal action, she should be careful what she posts on the PC or anywhere.

Just a standard CYA policy.

[Xinister]

You have a lawsuit on your hands if that is the actual case of getting fired for breaking up with someone.

It had nothing to do with your work competencies, therefore grounds for a lawsuit.

Xinister

Em, what type of shennanigans is this?

[Amaron]

ughh Hunterleigh

I was so looking forward to you doing my in game wedding next month...

I love my stockings...

hugs

J

[Evelith]

Ashley-

Remember our first SimuCon? You had just turned 18, I was 19..heh. That was wild crazy fun! I know this is a HORRIBLE thing to go through, but remember all the great things GemStone and its community has given you. If anything, I'm grateful for the past 6 years we've been "Party Girls", and I hope this is not the last we see of you. Good luck in -everything-, and my heart and thoughts are with you.

-Sarah Hernandez, who has pictures of *somebody* doing the YMCA at her wedding :P

[Blazing247]

I thought GM's were considered contractors, aside from the few full time on-site staff members. Independent contractors have VERY few labor law protections, and generally no job security. You are looking at it from the viewpoint of employer and employee, and not contactor and hiring firm/company, where things are typically different. There are no guaranteed terms of employment for contractors past the initial job. Of course, I could be wrong, but I remember reading once that GM's were considered independent contractors.

[ryllina]

Well, I don't think revealing why I got fired is violating my NDA - since I wasn't fired for anything I did in game. I don't plan on violating my NDA either, so I won't answer any questions that force me to do so.

And yes, it really is me. :smilegrin:

[StrayRogue]

Ah nuts. I really do hope you can and do take this matter to their appropriate legal lengths.

[Kitsun]

Just out of curiosity, can you tell us which merchants you played? No idea whether or not I've ever interacted with one of your NPC's ingame.

[Jolena]

So sorry to hear you were fired Hunterleigh! I didn't get a lot of chances to interact with you but the few I did were pleasant and I've read a lot of nice things about your time as a GM. Hope you don't let that ruin your other good memories of Gemstone now that you were treated poorly.

[Galleazzo]

We needed any proof David was a gutless pussy, this is it.

Could be worse, Ashley -- just think if you'd gone ahead and married a guy who was that little of a man.

:rant:

[Chadj]

Ouch! You were on my top 5 favourites list (ranked 3rd actually!)! They got rid of you? Bah.. 4 GM's left that I actually like.

[Pallon]

:wtf2:

I hope this means the prices will go back down, I'm hurting out here

[HarmNone]

Ish. I'm sorry about your job, and your relationship, hon. It's never easy to end a relationship, even under the best (or worst) conditions. To then lose something you really enjoyed doing makes it so much worse. :(

Of course, you're welcome here! We're happy to have you. We understand the need to keep details to yourself under the NDA, and people here won't press you to talk about things covered therein.

Hugs, and welcome aboard! :)

HarmNone hands ryllina a Bailey's and indicates a soft, comfy chair

[HouseofElves]

Um wow. I am reading this and am in just complete shock. I totally agree with Rhett, if you were doing your job you should be able to keep it without a doubt. I am just...yeah. You are such a sweetie and I will so miss seeing you around.

I really just can't believe how pathetic this game can make people...this whole ordeal gets the big :wtf:


Ah well, keep smiling, you have a wonderful personality and are so beautiful. Bigger and better things are on the way for sure.

Krissi, player of Jacina and some others

[Blushy]

WELL.

Mr. Whatley never struck me as the world's biggest winner. I'm not totally surprised. You DID get teh total shaft, though, miss Hunterleigh. I'm sorry. :-\ He can only hope he's so lucky as to have a similar opportunity again.

:-p (on him)

[crazymage]

I was on phone with ken(Ciston) thursday night and he told me you'll be suing whatley for 37.5m ( not silvers ) !

they just better not fire Brian from tech, that's all I'm gonna say.

[Artha]

I thought GM's were considered contractors


This is true.

[HarmNone]

Offsite GMs are considered contractors, as far as I know. Onsite GMs, however, are employees of Simutronics. I'm not sure which Hunterleigh was.

I can say, for sure, that if Sir Whatley had asked me to fire someone for a personal reason not related to that person's job performance, it would be a cold day in Hell before I did so. YOU have a problem, buddy? YOU HANDLE IT YOURSELF!

HarmNone thinks Melissa should be ashamed.....

[crazymage]

Crazymage thinks Melissa shouldve been fired long ago considering one disaster after another.

[HarmNone]

Agreed, crazymage. I'm not one of her fans, either. ;)

HarmNone thinks better choices could have been made

[Sean]

For everyone joking about the price of the game coming down ... if she did sue or somehow resolve some monetary agreement with whatley .. where do you think he'll look to recoup the loss :( lose lose.

[Axhinde]

Originally posted by HarmNone
Offsite GMs are considered contractors, as far as I know. Onsite GMs, however, are employees of Simutronics. I'm not sure which Hunterleigh was.

I can say, for sure, that if Sir Whatley had asked me to fire someone for a personal reason not related to that person's job performance, it would be a cold day in Hell before I did so. YOU have a problem, buddy? YOU HANDLE IT YOURSELF!

HarmNone thinks Melissa should be ashamed.....

Why would she be ashamed? With Hunteleigh out of the picture, Sir Whatley is fair game for the flame-haired Melissa, which it looks like to me, is trying to gaze upon the Whatlyknob.

[Artha]

I'm not sure which Hunterleigh was.

I could be wrong, but I recall her posting as GS4-Hunterleigh on the official boards, rather than Simu-Ashley, which would make her an OS GM.

[HarmNone]

Thanks for the info, Artha. I haven't played since Ashley became a GM, nor have I read the official boards. She's a new one to me. ;)

HarmNone

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Axhinde

Originally posted by HarmNone
Offsite GMs are considered contractors, as far as I know. Onsite GMs, however, are employees of Simutronics. I'm not sure which Hunterleigh was.

I can say, for sure, that if Sir Whatley had asked me to fire someone for a personal reason not related to that person's job performance, it would be a cold day in Hell before I did so. YOU have a problem, buddy? YOU HANDLE IT YOURSELF!

HarmNone thinks Melissa should be ashamed.....

Why would she be ashamed? With Hunteleigh out of the picture, Sir Whatley is fair game for the flame-haired Melissa, which it looks like to me, is trying to gaze upon the Whatlyknob.

Why should she be ashamed? I can come up with a couple of reasons:

1) If Whatley doesn't have the balls to do his own dirty work, I'd be ashamed to have any interest in him, at all. Who wants a wuss?

2) If a person is to be fired for personal reasons, the person to fire them should be the person that has the personal problem with them. For Melissa to agree to do this is, to me, very unprofessional.

HarmNone would have told him to grow the fuck up!

[Artha]

Nobody said she liked doing it. It sucks, but to me doing what your boss tells you is pretty professional.

[Axhinde]

Originally posted by HarmNone

Originally posted by Axhinde

Originally posted by HarmNone
Offsite GMs are considered contractors, as far as I know. Onsite GMs, however, are employees of Simutronics. I'm not sure which Hunterleigh was.

I can say, for sure, that if Sir Whatley had asked me to fire someone for a personal reason not related to that person's job performance, it would be a cold day in Hell before I did so. YOU have a problem, buddy? YOU HANDLE IT YOURSELF!

HarmNone thinks Melissa should be ashamed.....

Why would she be ashamed? With Hunteleigh out of the picture, Sir Whatley is fair game for the flame-haired Melissa, which it looks like to me, is trying to gaze upon the Whatlyknob.

Why should she be ashamed? I can come up with a couple of reasons:

1) If Whatley doesn't have the balls to do his own dirty work, I'd be ashamed to have any interest in him, at all. Who wants a wuss?

2) If a person is to be fired for personal reasons, the person to fire them should be the person that has the personal problem with them. For Melissa to agree to do this is, to me, very unprofessional.

HarmNone would have told him to grow the fuck up!

I made that post entirely in jest. You failed at spotting my sense of humor(Klaive reference). Also


Originally posted by Harmnone
...fuck...

[HarmNone]

I hesitate to say this, and I do not intend it to be condescending, Artha, but....as you get older and hold positions in management, you'll find that bosses tell you to do all sorts of things. When doing one of those things will negatively impact one's integrity, the right answer is "No.". There are other jobs. Your integrity cannot be replaced once it is comprimised.

HarmNone, on being true to oneself

I <3 Harmnone swearing.

[HarmNone]

Hee, Axhinde! I figured you were kidding, but I couldn't resist getting my two cents in about what a wuss Whatley is, and how unprofessional this whole thing shows itself to be! Your post gave me such a wonderful opportunity to do so! :D

HarmNone, gettin' her digs in

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Stanley Burrell
I <3 Harmnone swearing.

I don't find it necessary to do it very often, Stanley. However, some things just seem to cry out for the use of four-letter-words. This is one of them. ;)

HarmNone, who thinks that which is used sparingly maintains a clearer meaning

[Axhinde]

Originally posted by HarmNone
Hee, Axhinde! I figured you were kidding, but I couldn't resist getting my two cents in about what a wuss Whatley is, and how unprofessional this whole thing shows itself to be! Your post gave me such a wonderful opportunity to do so! :D

HarmNone, gettin' her digs in

I could kick his ass.

Axhinde, finding neat uses for four-letter words daily.

[HarmNone]

As I said, I haven't played since Ashley became a GM, but I've never heard anything but good about her performance in that capacity. To fire her for personal reasons unrelated to her job performance is utterly infantile. Whatley needs to become a man and leave childish petulance behind. At this point, kicking his ass would be about the equivalent of strangling a hamster.

HarmNone...not advocating the strangling of hamsters

[StrayRogue]

If it came down to being loyal to my friends, doing the right thing and the chances of losing my job in a pretty nice, blossoming industry, I think I'd do the right thing.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Stanley Burrell
I <3 Harmnone swearing. Me to..

Hunterleigh was cool as hell though.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by HarmNone
Who wants a wuss?A dominatrix?

(Note: I am answering this question from a hypothetical standpoint, don't ban me from GS plz)

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm

Originally posted by HarmNone
Who wants a wuss?A dominatrix?

(Note: I am answering this question from a hypothetical standpoint, don't ban me from GS plz)

I doubt it. What pleasure could be obtained from bringing such a creature to its knees? It already spends the majority of its time there anyway. :shrug:

I'd think a dominatrix would be much more interested in someone with a little moxie. ;)

[Ilvane]

Ashley,

I'm so sorry to hear about that. You are a sweetheart, and I'm sure everything is going to work out great for you in the end.

I'm just shocked, that's just amazing..You'll be missed on staff, that I'm sure of.

-A

[Soulpieced]

Shitty, that's all I can say.

[ryllina]

Aww :D Thanks guys!

Don't be too hard on Melissa... It wouldn't have been wise for her to put her job in jeopardy over me - especially since she and her husband both work for Simutronics.

[HarmNone]

Like I said, Ashley...jobs are a lot easier to come by than is the reclaiming of one's integrity. While I might understand her decision, it isn't one I would make. I've seen this kind of thing before, and I felt no differently about it then. :)

HarmNone

[Edaarin]

You could make more working at McDonald's than on-site at Simu...

That's probably not true, but I have heard on both sides that pay for on-site GM's sucks.

[HarmNone]

Heh. I've heard the same, Edaarin. However, I'll bet it beats the crap out of the pay for off-site GMs. :D

HarmNone bets it does

[Caiylania]

I never realized GM's couldn't post here as long as they didn't reveal they were indeed GMs. Welcome to PC, Ashley.

I wish you the best.

[Edaarin]

Simu personnel that used to post here include

Andraste
Bardon

There is also a user with the handle Sirina, who I assume is GM Sirina.

[peam]

Juicy.

[Nakiro]

Originally posted by HarmNone
Like I said, Ashley...jobs are a lot easier to come by than is the reclaiming of one's integrity. While I might understand her decision, it isn't one I would make. I've seen this kind of thing before, and I felt no differently about it then. :)

HarmNone

Intregrity doesn't pay the bills.

[Jonty]

Also Kitrina used to post here. And Brauden(sp?) posted at least once about the character manager bug abuse.

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Nakiro

Originally posted by HarmNone
Like I said, Ashley...jobs are a lot easier to come by than is the reclaiming of one's integrity. While I might understand her decision, it isn't one I would make. I've seen this kind of thing before, and I felt no differently about it then.

HarmNone

Intregrity doesn't pay the bills.

Oddly enough, Nakiro, my bills get paid just fine...and I can run up some very impressive bills! ;)

Actually, integrity is appreciated in some circles, and actively sought after. A person known to possess it can do very, very well.

HarmNone has

[Merzbow]

Geez, who knew that the guy responsible for creating this wonderful fantasy world is such an asshole in real life (if the story is true as told). Kind of makes me a little sick.

[Chelle]

That's sucks firing an excellent GM. Ashley, I hope you sue is ass off. What would be cool is if you could get Simutronics. (I know you can't but that would be cool.) First thing you should do is fire Melissa. Kick her out on her booty, take pictures, and post them here.

:spaz:

[Artha]

Plz don't sue simutronics. I can't imagine that having a positive effect on how much we're paying.

[Percocet]

HarmNone's a girl? :?:

[Edited on 9-4-2004 by Percocet]

[Jolena]

:yes:

[Chadj]

Artha is right.

Chelle sux.

[Chadj]

Originally posted by Percocet
HarmNone's a girl?

...wtf.

[Percocet]

Originally posted by Chadj

Originally posted by Percocet
HarmNone's a girl?

...wtf.

:nutty: An answer would be better than a question.

[Chadj]

Yes. She is.

[Percocet]

:O

[Nieninque]

Firstly, Harmnone is a woman not a girl
Secondly, how many male nuns (pagan or otherwise?) do you know?
Thirdly, Harmnone is far to wise to be a man

:ducks and runs away:

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Percocet
:O

Well, day-um! Did I grow a beard that shows in my typing, or what? As far as I know...and I'm the expert on this particular issue...I am, and have always been, female. :smilegrin:

HarmNone, of the female persuasion

[Evelith]

Originally posted by Edaarin
Simu personnel that used to post here include

Andraste
Bardon

There is also a user with the handle Sirina, who I assume is GM Sirina.

Bardon is David Whatley.

[Jonty]

Originally posted by Artha
Plz don't sue simutronics. I can't imagine that having a positive effect on how much we're paying.

:yeahthat:

[Percocet]

Wow, I don't think you realize how stunned I am. I really thought you were male. :forehead:

<<Secondly, how many male nuns (pagan or otherwise?) do you know?>>

I don't read those things.




I say sue Simu and make out with what you can. We're all idiots for paying as much as we do anyway and I'm sure we'll all pay more, too :rolleyes:

Doesn't matter to me, though - my subscription ends on the 14. I'll probably come back eventually.

[Edited on 9-4-2004 by Percocet]

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by HarmNone
Well, day-um!I've heard some people say that an upwards pointing triangle is a symbol of the male. Maybe that's it.

[HarmNone]

That's a new one on me, Latrinsorm. I knew of the circle with an arrow extending upwards as being a symbol for males, but not the triangle.

Actually, the triangle I use has many meanings. It is a Pagan symbol. Its meaning varies according to the path one chooses. :)

HarmNone

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by HarmNone
Actually, the triangle I use has many meanings. It is a Pagan symbol.Hold on, let me spritz my screen with Holy water. ;)

But yeah, the only place I've heard of it was in the DaVinci Code, which was pretty rife with errors. I figured they were due to get something right.

[Blazing247]

I keep hearing this "sue Simu" chant. I don't think she has much of a leg to stand on, as GM's are independent contractors. Also, what will we as customers get if she does sue Simu? A higher bill? I've never understood the mentality that some Americans have of "sue everyone for anything". You probably don't even realize that most goods and services (most definitely our insurance rates) are higher because of that stupid mentality.

[Jolena]

I'm pretty sure the Sue Simu chant as you called it stemmed from the fact that she was fired not for something she did as an employee but rather the fact that she didn't want to be David Whatley's woman anymore. So yeah, despite the abuse of lawsuits in America, she is more then justified. Even if it does mean our prices raising.

[Ilvane]

I agree, if she was fired for something related to her job, that would make sense, but because she didn't want to be in a relationship with him?

I mean..what?

Bleh, just makes me want to send Ashley some hugs.:grin:

Men..

-A

[Blazing247]

Okay, once again. Independent contractor. Very few labor law protections. Simu doesn't EMPLOY them. They don't pay taxes on them, there are no benefits, no workers' compensation, etc.

The terms of their employment, I assume, would be bound by the contract they signed. Whatley can come up with 100 reasons why he terminated her that will hold up in court. I guess we'll just wait and see.

[Chadj]

Men?

Am I mistaken, or wasn't Melissa (whom I'm 90% sure is female) the one who fired her? :moon2:

[Jolena]

I am not saying that due to her OS GM contract she is not going to have a hard time winning her lawsuit. What I -am- saying is that she has the right to sue, which is a dispute and response against your comment regarding the abuse of lawsuits in America and the cost of our subscriptions rising. :)

[Numbers]

Please don't judge all men on behalf of David Whatley.

[CrystalTears]

Originally posted by Chadj
Men?

Am I mistaken, or wasn't Melissa (whom I'm 90% sure is female) the one who fired her? :moon2:

She was ordered to fire her by Whatley. Rather cowardly if you ask me. Then again most things that Simu pulls is cowardly and half-assed.

[Blazing247]

To me, being an adult means doing your job whether you like it or not. As much as I'd love to say "no" to my boss when something doesn't seem right, the right thing does NOT pay my bills. When I was 18, I could afford to be unemployed. Right now, being unemployed means I am living on the streets, my car gets repo'd, and my credit goes to the shitter. I don't blame Melissa for doing what she had to do, but I do blame her for being a shitty Product Manager. I'm not defending Whatley, as he's a deucebag as well, but I'd be willing to be there is more to this than we know. Deucebags are usually pretty good at preserving what they have, so I doubt he'd risk a lawsuit by doing things against the wishes of his legal department.

[CrystalTears]

I thought Ashley and Melissa were friends. I'm sure it was hard for Melissa to fire her regardless. I just think that if Whatley wants to be a jerk enough to fire someone for an out of business relationship, he should do the firing himself.

With that said, I hope that suing is not the route she wants to take. Maybe she just wants to be done with him and the company and wants to move on with her life. I know I'd try to, anyway. I don't think she should bother. He's not worth the attention and I'd hate to see the sue backfire and hurt her for some reason if he's able to turn it around on her. I just wouldn't take the risk.

[Edited on 9/4/2004 by CrystalTears]

[Bobmuhthol]

<<You probably don't even realize that most goods and services (most definitely our insurance rates) are higher because of that stupid mentality.>>

Better than communism.

[Trinitis]

Perfect idea. Sue simu for all you can. Then use that $$ to buy the rights to GS3. Restart GS3 on a different server, improove THAT game, and let GS4 rot.

Yay me!

[CrystalTears]

If it was about money, she can just cash in the ring. Cha-ching!

[DeV]

Originally posted by LordAdredrin
Perfect idea. Sue simu for all you can. Then use that $$ to buy the rights to GS3. Restart GS3 on a different server, improove THAT game, and let GS4 rot.

Yay me! :lolwave:

[Straight-up]

I doubt she kept the ring, IMO she should not have. Whoever breaks the engagement the other person should get the ring is my take on it. Now despite that I think Whatley is a complete shit for this and I know that Hunterleigh can do alot better.



Straight

[Makkah]

<<I doubt she kept the ring, IMO she should not have. Whoever breaks the engagement the other person should get the ring is my take on it. Now despite that I think Whatley is a complete shit for this and I know that Hunterleigh can do alot better. >>


I think it all depends on why the engagement was broke in the first place ::shrug:: We don't know the whole story so who cares.

rht

[ryllina]

Originally posted by Blazing247
Okay, once again. Independent contractor. Very few labor law protections. Simu doesn't EMPLOY them. They don't pay taxes on them, there are no benefits, no workers' compensation, etc.

The terms of their employment, I assume, would be bound by the contract they signed. Whatley can come up with 100 reasons why he terminated her that will hold up in court. I guess we'll just wait and see.

We do pay taxes on GM pay :)

[ryllina]

Originally posted by CrystalTears
If it was about money, she can just cash in the ring. Cha-ching!

I gave back the ring. :)

[Farquar]

It's been awhile since I've been in game, but this is still interesting news. You cant tell me that you didn't expect some sort of retribution after breaking up with the guy. I can't say what he did was a surprise; it might have been petty, but it certainly is understandable.

As a side question, are you still planning to play the game or did he freeze your accounts as well?

[Jolena]

<<it might have been petty, but it certainly is understandable.>>

Understandable?! :gawk: Wow..

[CrystalTears]

Yeah I'm with you there, Jolena. Understandable? That's like... um... understandable?? I think you got the wrong word. It's actually unprofessional. I think you were just confused in your wording. It's okay, I forgive you. :D j/k

[Farquar]

Originally posted by Jolena
<<it might have been petty, but it certainly is understandable.>>

Understandable?! :gawk: Wow..

If my fiancee broke, nay, shattered my heart, and handed me back a $500,000 ring, bascially telling me "even this won't get me to marry you," I'd probably want her out of my life completely. Hope this helps.

[Jolena]

Hrmm..I had a few choice insults to sling but I reserve my comments. I will however say this. There are ALWAYS two sides to every story, both in Ashley's case and in the broken engagement. We don't know that it wasn't something he did to make her break up with him, ie. cheating, lying, breaking her heart in general. I'd not be so quick to assume there buddy.:rolleyes:

[Farquar]

Originally posted by Jolena
Hrmm..I had a few choice insults to sling but I reserve my comments. I will however say this. There are ALWAYS two sides to every story, both in Ashley's case and in the broken engagement. We don't know that it wasn't something he did to make her break up with him, ie. cheating, lying, breaking her heart in general. I'd not be so quick to assume there buddy.:rolleyes:

All my opinions are based on my current state of knowledge. I reserve the right to change my opinion should more information come to light. As of now, knowing what we all know, I don't really blame the guy for doing what he did.

Also, why would you have insults to sling? I didn't say anything derogatory about you. It's interesting that this topic should bring such hostile feelings in you.

[CrystalTears]

Knowing what we all know? All she said was that she broke up with him. No details, no reasons why, none that she needs to give. Based on that, you don't blame the guy for firing her from a job she didn't deserve to lose? Mmkay.

[Farquar]

Originally posted by CrystalTears
Knowing what we all know? All she said was that she broke up with him. No details, no reasons why, none that she needs to give. Based on that, you don't blame the guy for firing her from a job she didn't deserve to lose? Mmkay.

Here's what I know:

1. Girl breaks up with guy.

2. Guy kicks girl out of his life.

Done and done.

Undeserved? Probably. Immature? Most definitely. But can you blame a hurt and humiliated human being for attempting to grasp at any cosmic payback he can muster? I don't think so.

[CrystalTears]

If he can't handle having real relationships, maybe he shouldn't be hiring them into his business in the event that it won't work out, because let me tell you something, one will always not work out. Either stay professional or don't work with your friends/family.

[Farquar]

I agree. But what you bring up qualifies as hindsight, and you know what they say about hindsight.

[Chadj]

:penis: <-- First time I had this in my random smilie box.

Also, Whatley is an asshole, although I have never heard of the dick. But he totally got rid of Hunterliegh, which is enough for me to hate him :mad:

[Scott]

I honestly don't know Hunterleigh, nor do I know Whatley. I know NOTHING of the situation, but it's only based on what I've heard. So please, hold none of this against me if the information isn't correct.....

But from what I've heard, Hunterleigh didn't get the job until after she got together with Whatley. My assumption would be that she got the job in the first place because she was with Whatley.

When you get to your position because of a relationship, you're most likely going to lose it because of the relationship.

[Chadj]

<<Undeserved? Probably. Immature? Most definitely. But can you blame a hurt and humiliated human being for attempting to grasp at any cosmic payback he can muster? I don't think so.>>

Yes, you can blame a human being for attempting to grasp any cosmic payback they can muster. Doing that, is being immature, and stupid.

Example:
I recently told the one girl that I've ever loved, that I still love her. We broke up a long time ago. At that point, I am humiliated by the fact that she says "I've known for a while, but I have a boyfriend now." I'm hurt that she didn't tell me that beforehand. So there, hurt and humiliated. What payback did I muster? Nothing, because payback is immature and stupid.

:)

[Chadj]

However, what Scott said is rather logical. As much as it sucks ass, it is.

[Chelle]

Originally posted by Artha
Plz don't sue simutronics. I can't imagine that having a positive effect on how much we're paying.

That is true. Come to think of it I shudder to think what would happen if Simutronics were to one day shut down completely without warning. The addicts would break out in spazmatic convulsions everywhere. Emergency rooms would fill, mass twitchings in padded cells, and people would have to figure out how to have sex with real people. Total chaos. :P

[Chadj]

OMG NOT RL SEX IM DOOMED

[Soulpieced]

I recently told the one girl that I've ever loved, that I still love her. We broke up a long time ago.

.

Dude, you're 15. There's no way under anyone's definition of "a long time" you were in love and breaking up with anyone.

[CrystalTears]

You know how those kindgarden crushes can get, SP.

J/K Chad!

[Farquar]

Yes, you can blame a human being for attempting to grasp any cosmic payback they can muster. Doing that, is being immature, and stupid.

Example:
I recently told the one girl that I've ever loved, that I still love her. We broke up a long time ago. At that point, I am humiliated by the fact that she says "I've known for a while, but I have a boyfriend now." I'm hurt that she didn't tell me that beforehand. So there, hurt and humiliated. What payback did I muster? Nothing, because payback is immature and stupid.

:)

Stupidity/Immaturity and logicality/understandability are not mutually exclusive. Lots of decisions over history have been stupid or immature, but they may have been logical or understandable.

In your particular case, you acted like the bigger person. DW didn't. Another example of the complex mosaic that is the human race.

[Tsa`ah]

While I agree with your logic Sintik, I can't agree with the ethics behind it.

You just don't mix your personal and business life together, it never works out.

Contractor or not, she hasn't told us one way or the other that I've read, wrongful termination is wrongful termination. You can sue no matter what the contract says or the what the provided reason is. If she were to take it to court chances are the judge/jury would see "relationship gone sour" and "jilted lover" and probably award the case to her unless there's much much more to the story ... that is not our business.

Him having someone else fire her was low and shows his quality (lack of) as a person and businessman. Melissa did what she was told, but ... doing the right thing is sometimes the better thing to do. With smaller companies it is often the harder thing to do, but it should be done none the less. I have refused to fire people I was told to because a) I don't do dirty work and b) I don't fire people who don't deserve it. I have also fired people I was told to leave alone simply because it was the right thing to do. I refuse to selectively enforce policy. What goes for Peter also goes for Paul.

Aside from all that.

Anyone is welcome to post. Unfortunately after the Edge/Whatley bout on the old boards we have heard officially from only Brauden. Celtic and Sagan post here on occasion as well, adding another former GM is only that much better.

I think it's easier for the ex-GMs, folks don't gang up on them with conspiracy theories as much.

So welcome. Just remember to occasionally laugh at my posts randomly, quote Harm saying "fuck" as often as possible, and start no more than 1 "Klaive sucks ass" thread every other month, we get too many of those as it is.

[Makkah]

<<But from what I've heard, Hunterleigh didn't get the job until after she got together with Whatley. My assumption would be that she got the job in the first place because she was with Whatley. >>

Whoa... how can you assume that she applied to be a GM before the relationship and got turned down? Maybe I'm missing something... but I doubt it.

rht

[Scott]

I don't agree with it either Tsa'ah but I understand it. If you're screwing the boss, get the position, then you break off an engagement (or vice versa) I can understand why she would get fired. I don't think it's a good move or anything, but I understand.

Just like you said, don't mix personal and buisness matters, it works both ways. I would never want someone I'm involved with working for me, or the other way around. It never ends well when the relationship ends, as this case shows.

When the reason you get the job is because you're sleeping with the boss, do you really expect to keep the job when it ends?



Again though, I don't even know if she got the position before she was involved with Whatley or after, I'm just going from what I've heard. I'm just saying if she DID fuck the boss and got the job, I'm not really shocked at the outcome.

[Scott]

Originally posted by Makkah
<<But from what I've heard, Hunterleigh didn't get the job until after she got together with Whatley. My assumption would be that she got the job in the first place because she was with Whatley. >>

Whoa... how can you assume that she applied to be a GM before the relationship and got turned down? Maybe I'm missing something... but I doubt it.

rht

No, you didn't miss anything. I don't know when she got the position or what is true or not, I'm only going by what I heard. However, if she was involved with Whatley, then got the position, it's a VERY good possibilty it was because she was involved with the boss.

[The Cat In The Hat]

Teach me to skip over a thread...

Hunterleigh, you were a great GM and the game will be worse for your being gone. Not much I can say that hasn't been said, and it's hard to make a judgement since I don't know *why* you left him, but in any case, having you fired for it was petty, childish and against the law.

While a lawsuit would most likely raise our prices, the bigger picture is it is valid and I hope you do. Since you were offered a promotion 6 days before, that shows you were performing your job well enough to advance your position.

Reminds me of when I worked for a doctors office when I was younger. I was there 7 months, was called into the office and told I was doing a magnificant job and given a raise, then less than 2 weeks later I was called in again and told I was being rude to patients and fired. I hadn't treated patients any differently than I did those 7 months prior, but I didn't go to the office Christmas party, so therefor I didn't fit into their clique. Which is the real reason I was fired (It was confirmed by a former coworker)

[theotherjohn]

Originally posted by ryllina
Now that I got fired, am I allowed to post here? :smilegrin:

Ashley/Ryllina (formerly Hunterleigh)

why didnt you just post as Ryllina?

You would have gotten enough attention because you are a girl or pretending to be one.

[theotherjohn]

Originally posted by HarmNone

Actually, the triangle I use has many meanings. It is a Pagan symbol. Its meaning varies according to the path one chooses. :)

HarmNone

It is also a military symbol.

If it points up it is a echelon above corp node center and down below corp or MSE

[Chadj]

Originally posted by Soulpieced
I recently told the one girl that I've ever loved, that I still love her. We broke up a long time ago.

.

Dude, you're 15. There's no way under anyone's definition of "a long time" you were in love and breaking up with anyone.

If by 15, you mean 16, then yes.

We broke up about a year ago. After dating for months. I have been with a bunch of girls since, and have been in 2 relationships since, and havn't felt the same way since. Or before. And don't see it happening any time soon.

If you would prefer, I will restate "long time" with "a while back".

[Chadj]

<<If he can't handle having real relationships, maybe he shouldn't be hiring them into his business in the event that it won't work out, >>

If the above is true, it would lead me to believe that he hired her into the business after the relationship had begun.

[Celexei]

*sniffles* this whole thing makes me sad. first off I <3 Hunterleigh and any interactions i've ever had with her where great, she was a blast to have do my parents wedding, and i wanted her to do my own someday, If you remain in GS as a PC then you def get the first invite when/if it happens. What he did to you firing you for his problems that he couldn't handle because you broke it off with him, shows his own lack of responsibility, professionalism and maturity. Oh well, fate shall have its ways, even if they do not set happily for majority. .....I even got all the messaging for that verb you told me i could create and you'd help me get into Elanthia...*sighs* oh well, But you'll be missed by many and dearly from myself, thank you for the good times you gave us all though and i hope the best of luck to you....


P.S. go for a girl....point? They do not have testicles and think that authority comes because of them. and I <3 you!!

[Satira]

I'm sorry to hear there will be no more Hunterleigh in GS. You were a great GM.

I hope you're still able to play at least...

The whole engagement thing sounds pretty complicated and without any idea of what happened or why things happened I can't say much. Good luck though!

[Blazing247]

<We do pay taxes on GM pay >

I never said you didn't. I said Simu doesn't have to pay taxes on their employees, pay for their workers' compensation, or pay for any benefits. The tab is on you, not them.

<Contractor or not, she hasn't told us one way or the other that I've read, wrongful termination is wrongful termination. You can sue no matter what the contract says or the what the provided reason is. If she were to take it to court chances are the judge/jury would see "relationship gone sour" and "jilted lover" and probably award the case to her unless there's much much more to the story ... that is not our business.>

I don't know a whole lot about contract law (just what I went over in Intro to Contracts), but most contracts aren't open ended. Of all the ones I've seen, they are all for specific jobs or specific periods of time, meaning that once it is completed you are not promised any further work. Again, I don't think Whatley would be stupid enough to put his company in jeapordy over love gone wrong, but who knows. As far as proving the "jilted lover" thing in court, good luck.

[Tsa`ah]

Do an experiment for me then. Hire your girl-friend, on contract for a job. Make that contract as tight as you want.

When she leaves you or you get tired of her, fire her. After all she is only employed through a contract. Let's see her not walk away with a court awarded sum of cash for "wrongful termination".

I'm sorry, but I've probably hired and fired more people than you and many of those were by contract. While I have never been in the described situation, I have seen my fair share of wrongful termination cases caused by peers. A contract does not protect the employer.

[ryllina]

Originally posted by Farquar
It's been awhile since I've been in game, but this is still interesting news. You cant tell me that you didn't expect some sort of retribution after breaking up with the guy. I can't say what he did was a surprise; it might have been petty, but it certainly is understandable.

As a side question, are you still planning to play the game or did he freeze your accounts as well?

I still had my PC account, but I cancelled it. I don't plan to continue playing at this time. Maybe sometime in the future. :)

Ashley

[ryllina]

Originally posted by Gemstone101
I honestly don't know Hunterleigh, nor do I know Whatley. I know NOTHING of the situation, but it's only based on what I've heard. So please, hold none of this against me if the information isn't correct.....

But from what I've heard, Hunterleigh didn't get the job until after she got together with Whatley. My assumption would be that she got the job in the first place because she was with Whatley.

When you get to your position because of a relationship, you're most likely going to lose it because of the relationship.

I was a GameHost before my relationship started and I worked my tail off as a GH for a year (did extra shifts almost every day, volunteered for EVERYTHING, constantly did shifts for other hosts who needed coverage) and was promoted rightfully to GameMaster (which happened to be 6 months after I started my relationship with him). I did not get the job because of him.

Ashley

[ryllina]

Originally posted by theotherjohn

Originally posted by ryllina
Now that I got fired, am I allowed to post here? :smilegrin:

Ashley/Ryllina (formerly Hunterleigh)

why didnt you just post as Ryllina?

You would have gotten enough attention because you are a girl or pretending to be one.

???? :?::?:

I think I've been to enough conventions for people to know I'm a real girl.

Ashley

[Blazing247]

<While I have never been in the described situation, I have seen my fair share of wrongful termination cases caused by peers. A contract does not protect the employer.>

Right, but this is all speculation. Nobody knows the reason he gave for firing her. In a court of law, she has to prove that he fired her for breaking up with him. You can't honestly tell me you think that's easy to prove.

[Bobmuhthol]

I'll add the following to Chadj's heartbreaking story:

My girlfriend told me she had a crush on me for a while when I pointed out a few days ago that I am nowhere near someone who gets a lot of dates. I was like, "Hahahaha I'll never hear that again." She thought it was funny. I love her so.

[Tsa`ah]

Originally posted by Blazing247
Right, but this is all speculation. Nobody knows the reason he gave for firing her. In a court of law, she has to prove that he fired her for breaking up with him. You can't honestly tell me you think that's easy to prove.

Ah, the burden of proof. So you honestly don't think with what we know, which admittedly isn't the whole story nor is the whole story our biz, that she or a lawyer could not show that her termination was not business but personal.

If she can prove that she was indeed a good employee and did nothing to warrant termination, or the employer shows no trend of such termination, or even that lesser employees have not received the same treatment, then the burden falls on Simu/Whatley to prove that he did not fire her for personal reasons ... AKA break-up.

You can call it speculation, I'll call it a reasonable conclusion.

[Snowman]

I've had a few dealings with you Ashley, always positive, I can't comment on the drama surrounding the situation, but I can say that as a GM, I thought you did a pretty decent job, your presence will be missed.

Snowman

[Edited on 9-5-2004 by Snowman]

[Caramia]

Originally posted by SpunGirl
Would he rather she stuck around, gone through the marriage and THEN decided it wasn't the right decision? Talk about bitter revenge. It's sad.

-K

And then sued for divorce and 50% of everything, unless she signed a pre-nup.

I'll ask the question that everyone else is, so how does the creator of GS hold up in bed?

[Caramia]

There are others you can ask. Geek guys might not be great lovers because they haven't had much experience socializing, but they sure make up for it with their willingness and eagerness!

Motion of the ocean.

[iohova]

Originally posted by Stanley Burrell
Motion of the ocean.

theres a saying that goes along with that one..

"its not the size of the boat, its the motion of the ocean."
"yeah, but all girls prefer a yacht to a dingy"

What about a really, really fat and wide dinghy?

[HarmNone]

Enough. Get back on topic.:break:

HarmNone

[Caramia]

I've never had my hand slapped by a nun before!


:ultimate:

[Tsa`ah]

Originally posted by Caramia
I've never had my hand slapped by a nun before!

And it was sexy to.

Encore anyone?

Here here.

[ryllina]

Sickos ;)

[Celexei]

once again...WELCOME TO PC...now to just get you back IG and on PSINET

[HarmNone]

Heh. They're sick, to be sure, ryllina. If they continue, I'll get the hatchet! :D

HarmNone, looking for the hatchet......

[Tsa`ah]

Originally posted by HarmNone
Heh. They're sick, to be sure, ryllina. If they continue, I'll get the hatchet! :D

HarmNone, looking for the hatchet......

Just as long as it is done in a sexy manner ... and you leave our man-hood alone.

[Celexei]

for your entertainment and mine Ash, see the Game Down thread and Tsa'ah's determination on WHY the game is down. <3

[crazymage]

Originally posted by ryllina
???? :?::?:

I think I've been to enough conventions for people to know I'm a real girl.

Ashley


So..wanna hook up!?

[The Cat In The Hat]

Originally posted by Blazing247
<While I have never been in the described situation, I have seen my fair share of wrongful termination cases caused by peers. A contract does not protect the employer.>

Right, but this is all speculation. Nobody knows the reason he gave for firing her. In a court of law, she has to prove that he fired her for breaking up with him. You can't honestly tell me you think that's easy to prove.


Just the fact that she was offered a promotion shortly before she was fired proves wrongful termination.

[Brimz]

Ugh....

That is horrible... but on the bright side... least you found this out now rather than later... shows you what kind of person he really is...

On the bright side... (depending on the situation) you have a high probability of winning your settlement...

Again depending on what and how simutronic's hire... I know when I worked at a local bank and I got terminated because of "at will" they can fire you without reason its basically so they don't get sued etc... so if simutronic's does that your gonna have a hard time...

Again I'm sorry to hear that Ashley... you were a great and outgoing GM (merchant) never really interacted with your GM character but I heard from many friends you were great!!

I hate seeing people that are good go while there are still a ton of crappy people in GS that still lingure....

I wish you good luck with whatever you do in the future... :)

~Me

[Tsoran]

Originally posted by Brimz
I know when I worked at a local bank and I got terminated because of "at will" they can fire you without reason its basically so they don't get sued etc...

Most empoyment that is not covered by collective bargaining is 'at will'. 'At will' is not a carte blance license to abuse employees, however. I do not know the laws in the applicable state; I'm not even sure which state's laws would apply here (Simutronics isn't incorporated in St. Louis). I know in New York, firing someone under the circumstances described by Ashley, would definitely raise questions about sexual harrasment. That is against NYS law, and would override any provisions in an employment contract.

I'm only pointing this out as a clarification of 'at will'. I'm not making any comments about these specific circumstances, as I have no first hand knowlege of the facts.

[Edited on 9-5-2004 by Tsoran]

[Skirmisher]

Yep yep yep.

What Tsoran said times two.

[Blazing247]

<Just the fact that she was offered a promotion shortly before she was fired proves wrongful termination. >

Just the fact that I got a raise before I "no called and no showed" to my job and was subsequently fired proves wrongful termination. Quick, someone call the Logic Police, you're guilty of being illogical.
As for her chances in winning the lawsuit, I don't think anyone knows. IMHO, the chances are low, but what difference does it make? My point wasn't to quarrel over her chances, just to point out that independent contractors aren't treated like, nor are they governed by the same rules as employees when it comes to hiring/firing/paying them.

[HarmNone]

To sue, or not to sue...that is Ashley's question, not ours. What she does with regard to this issue is hers, alone, to decide. Arguing it here is fruitless.

She has said she returned his ring. That, to me, says a great deal about her. All of it is good. :)

HarmNone, impressed

[Chadj]

This thread has officially become retarded.

[Heathyranne]

Ashley, I am so sorry to hear you got fired. I also can't believe they yanked your post in the RPing/Weddings section answering the person's question. Talk about idiocy. Ah well. Par for the course with Simu.

For those speculating that Ash got the promotion just because she was nailing David...no, not at all. When I was hired as a host, she was already one and a damn good one. She worked her butt off. When she started dating David, she worked doubly hard, if that were even possible, because she wanted it to be known she *deserved* what she got...she didn't get it for sleeping with the owner.

Ashley absolutely deserved and earned her promotion to GM. It was borne of hard work and dedication and would have come regardless of what her personal relationship was. It is unfortunate that the same could not be said about her continuing as a GM after the relationship ended. David is unprofessional.

I reactivated my account this month, but am going to cancel it as soon as I finish unloading some crap. I don't like the game much any more, and I refuse to pay David anything for being such an immature twit and Simu for being so unprofessional. I quit staff for many of the same reasons and left the game because it lost its allure. I came back to try to give it another chance, but this just irks me too much, and brings back some bad feelings.

Anyway...Ashley, you are a great person and you excelled at being a GM. That David would ask to have you fired, and that Simu would go ahead and do it, speaks volumes of how poorly run they are right now.

~Heathyr

[HarmNone]

Speak it out, Sistah Heathyr! There is NO way I'd play that game again, either.:rant:

HarmNone, as disgusted as Heathyr

[Gan]

Sorry to hear about all of the drama you're going through Ashley. You have always been professional and courteous to all of my characters and represented role model customer service for SIMU. Losing that will surely be missed on our end.

Good luck in whatever you decide to do. Seek councel from an attourney should you wish to persue that route, or keep on walking with your chin held high knowing that you are taking the high road. Feel free to keep posting on the boards though, its always good having more quality folk around to enlighten the masses.

-Ganalon et. al.-

[Kuyuk]

Alright, since she's a chick, it's customary for her to post semi-nude erotic pics of herself.:yes2:


Welcome to the boards, it was fun havin ya as my referral GM some of the time, you actually gave a shit.


K.

[Ilvane]

Hi Heathyr!

It's nice to see you on the boards, even if you aren't coming back for long in the game.

Much love!

-A

[Chelle]

Heathyr, I remember you mainly from the Vvrael thing way way back. You were an excellent roleplayer.

[Heathyranne]

<<Heathyr, I remember you mainly from the Vvrael thing way way back. You were an excellent roleplayer.--Chelle

I'd take credit and say thanks...but I believe that was Lady Heathyr and her player, Heather. I'm Lady Heathyranne, and her player, Heathyr ::grin:: I'm an okay RPer, but doubtful any would call me excellent!

I loved NPCing for Ebon's Gate and other events though. That was always fun!!

~Heathyr

Were you that talking skeleton I disarmed and stole its weapon?

[SpunGirl]

If Heathyranne's GH was who I think it was, she was my fav-or-ite. Evar.

-K

[Heathyranne]

<<Were you that talking skeleton I disarmed and stole its weapon?

Nope! But that would've been amusing. I'd have to dig up my logs to remember what my names were for the EG stuff. It was a total blast always, though.

<<If Heathyranne's GH was who I think it was, she was my fav-or-ite. Evar.

I was Valyxia. I absolutely loved doing it--though I got a lot of shit sometimes. Even have my own hate thread around here on these boards somewhere...or did. I'm too much of a wuss...I cried over that one, silly me. I was trying to do the right thing, pissed off people I liked and some I didn't, and wound up being dissed here--often by people I thought were friends. I had too thin of skin sometimes <grin>. Now...I just don't worry about it.

~Heathyr

[Soulpieced]

I don't know why these highly qualified personnel and coders would want to work for horrid pay at Simu anyway.

[SpunGirl]

Originally posted by Heathyranne
I was Valyxia.

~Heathyr

Hooray, that's what I'd heard after you quit. There should be more GHs like you/Valyxia.

-K

[Jay]

If anyone had taken the time to read The Dunwich Horror, they would have known what they were in for a long time ago.

[Edited on 9-6-2004 by Jay]

[Zanagodly]

Sorry to hear things didn't work out Ashley.

[Heathyranne]

<<Hooray, that's what I'd heard after you quit. There should be more GHs like you/Valyxia.

Thanks ;)

And there should be more GMs like Ashley. I'm still disgusted by this.

[Burning Scorpion]

Oh wow that really blows goat! I hate it when relationships go sour and poison other things I've enjoyed (like GemStone) so that you can't even comfort yourself with that formerly enjoyed thing. Good luck in your future endeavors!

And Heathyranne, you were Valyxia? I really appreciated you in the official ranger folder! We were all really sad when you left.

[Betheny]

I'm sorry, but that's what you get for working for someone you're in a relationship with.

Not a smart thing to do.

Aside from that, it's still a really jackass thing for him to do. But honestly, are you really all that surprised?

[CrystalTears]

I'm not really surprised simply because it was Whatley involved.

[Burning Scorpion]

Is Whatley that much of an ass? I blush to admit I'd never heard of him until last month, despite years of playing. I'm not in the know, obviously. If he is an ass, why? Aside from this example.

[Betheny]

Whatley is just one of those people who wants what he wants, and that's it. He created Gemstone, and thus, it is his to do with as he pleases -- regardless of what the player base says. It makes him a bad businessman, and a jackass. But, hey, it IS his company.

[Izalude]

Too bad Simu isn't a publicly owned company...

[Caramia]

Originally posted by Maimara
I'm sorry, but that's what you get for working for someone you're in a relationship with.

Not a smart thing to do.

Aside from that, it's still a really jackass thing for him to do. But honestly, are you really all that surprised?

Hey Beth, go back and look again. She wasn't in a relationship with him when she was hired, she made it on her own merit. What part of that did you miss when you supposedly read these posts.

I doubt she was surprised, but surely she hoped the man she once planned on marrying was a professional and a grownup in every sense of the word. No need to point out the obvious, which she's already admitted. Oh, I forgot, you enjoy rubbing salt in wounds.

It's not like she slept with someone new and different at each SimuCon and between cons, that she met in the game, until she finally ended up with David. I've never once heard that about her.

[Amaron]

Ashley,
You were a great GM and will be missed. I always admired the way you handled referrals and you made those stockings for me which I will never never sell..

Good luck with it all. There are plenty of other fellas out there. The right one will pop up sometime. Lotsa hugs to you.

J

[Betheny]

Originally posted by Caramia

Originally posted by Maimara
I'm sorry, but that's what you get for working for someone you're in a relationship with.

Not a smart thing to do.

Aside from that, it's still a really jackass thing for him to do. But honestly, are you really all that surprised?

Hey Beth, go back and look again. She wasn't in a relationship with him when she was hired, she made it on her own merit. What part of that did you miss when you supposedly read these posts.

I doubt she was surprised, but surely she hoped the man she once planned on marrying was a professional and a grownup in every sense of the word. No need to point out the obvious, which she's already admitted. Oh, I forgot, you enjoy rubbing salt in wounds.

It's not like she slept with someone new and different at each SimuCon and between cons, that she met in the game, until she finally ended up with David. I've never once heard that about her.

Is that what I said? That's nowhere near what I said. All I said is it isn't smart to work with and be involved with someone. I never implied anything other than that. There's really no reason to jump on my shit. Unless, of course, you're upset with me for something. And by the way, are you trying to imply something about me?

[Czeska]

hugs to Ashley.. who went to bat with QC for my wedding alters.. who changed my girl's last name to her husband's during Simucon, who was never anything but awesome to me in game or in person.

~Czeska, aka Trylia

[Wezas]

The good news:

Time to trade this in:
http://www.play.net/simucon/memory/1999/sat/sat007.jpg

For something more like this:

http://forum.gsplayers.com/images/upload/Bobmuhthol/398.jpg


Also, be sure to check out these threads:

http://forum.gsplayers.com/viewthread.php?tid=6842

http://forum.gsplayers.com/viewthread.php?tid=5975

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I don't feel like pasting them all, just do a search for any posts with "Hunterleigh" in them. Good readin.

[Mistomeer]

It sucks it worked out that way, but on the bright side she can put it all (DW, Simu, GS) behind her and get on with life.

Also, she kicked ass as a staff member.

[Hips]

Originally posted by SpunGirl

Originally posted by Heathyranne
I was Valyxia.

~Heathyr

Hooray, that's what I'd heard after you quit. There should be more GHs like you/Valyxia.

-K

Agreed! You did Michiko's wedding and I loved it. :)

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

And that worked out so well for you! LOL

Sorry. :bye:

[Hips]

Originally posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
And that worked out so well for you! LOL

Sorry. :bye:

Heh. Well, it was good while it lasted. Sorta. :no:

[Caramia]

Originally posted by Maimara
Is that what I said?

Please, the implication was that she slept her way into the job was there, and your other two comments were just as unfounded.


That's nowhere near what I said. All I said is it isn't smart to work with and be involved with someone. I never implied anything other than that.

You did imply it, dear. There was certainly a much better, less bitter, and bitchy way to say it isn't smart to get involved with someone you work with. Just like you did in your reply to me. There was no need to cut her down.


There's really no reason to jump on my shit. Unless, of course, you're upset with me for something.

I've never interacted with you as Maimara or as Beth, so I have no personal issues with you. I jumped on your shit because you were just plain wrong in your comments and your implications, as well as ill-informed as a result of skipping over factual posts. Had you read all of Ashley's posts there would have been no need for your remarks.


And by the way, are you trying to imply something about me?

I really don't think there's a need to "imply" anything about you, Beth.

[Edited on 9/7/2004 by Caramia]

[Betheny]

I can assure you, I didn't mean any offense by what I posted. It was a simple statement. I never once th ought she slept her way to anywhere. I have nothing but respect for the woman. I was simply stating my opinion. Working with someone you're invovled with is bad juju. Nothing more. That doesn't excuse his actions at all. But please, before you jump all over me, make sure you have some ground to stand on.

[Caramia]

I have ample ground to stand on, thx, quite a few people agreed with me in IMs that your comment was unnecessarily harsh and bitchy.

[Betheny]

Originally posted by Caramia
I have ample ground to stand on, thx, quite a few people agreed with me in IMs that your comment was unnecessarily harsh and bitchy.

If you say so. I stand by it.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<quite a few people agreed with me in IMs that your comment was unnecessarily harsh and bitchy.>>

LET US ALL BE REMINDED OF HOW FUCKING DUMB AND HYPOCRITICAL CARAMIA IS AT THIS TIME.

THANK YOU.

[DeV]

I have to add, who gives a fuck what people through IM think. If they aren't woman/man enough to say what they feel either to her or in the thread their opinion should mean this much ><.

[Betheny]

I get the feeling the people Caramia was talking about have some personal beef with me anyway. I think we all know if I was going to say something harsh and bitchy I'd just say it, I wouldn't be coy with it.

[Caramia]

Whatever. Certainly doesn't affect me. I just have the backbone to point it out.

I'm sure that when you're down, you certainly don't appreciate people telling you that you should have known better or that's what you deserve to get. Try a little compassion -- consider how she's feeling right now and how your post sounded to her.

As I recall, when you came here and posted about your boyfriend the drunk, we were kind and caring. I don't recall anyone saying "Well, that's what you get for laying down with alcoholic slimes."

[Betheny]

Originally posted by Caramia
Whatever. Certainly doesn't affect me. I just have the backbone to point it out.

I'm sure that when you're down, you certainly don't appreciate people telling you that you should have known better or that's what you deserve to get. Try a little compassion -- consider how she's feeling right now and how your post sounded to her.

As I recall, when you came here and posted about your boyfriend the drunk, we were kind and caring. I don't recall anyone saying "Well, that's what you get for laying down with alcoholic slimes."

I still fail to understand how what I posted was taken as how you're taking it. But again, it isn't my problem. If you make a thread about something, you have to take t he good with the bad. I meant nothing bad by it. And if I have to say that again, I will.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<I'm sure that when you're down, you certainly don't appreciate people telling you that you should have known better or that's what you deserve to get.>>

When I'm down, people like you remind me that your eyebrows sucked at life before I was even born!!!!!!!1111111

It makes me cry, and also instills the strong urge to punch you in the tit.

[Burning Scorpion]

It's comments like those that make me feel inordinately fond of you, Bobmuhthol, even though I've never spoken to you previously.

[Caramia]

Some people just don't care to open themselves up to being targets to people well known for being cutting in their comments, so they'd rather agree from the shadows. I don't fault them for that.

As for being hypocritical -- hypocritical would have been for me to turn around and call Beth out on a specific aspect of her personal life that was similarly unfortunate.

But go ahead and feel free to switch the target and attack me instead, at least people aren't denigrating Ashley for a few hours. :devilsmile:

[Brattt8525]

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
<<quite a few people agreed with me in IMs that your comment was unnecessarily harsh and bitchy.>>

LET US ALL BE REMINDED OF HOW FUCKING DUMB AND HYPOCRITICAL CARAMIA IS AT THIS TIME.

THANK YOU.

see what happens when you stare at your boobies too long?????????? hehe just trying to stop the the flaming....group hug

[Betheny]

Originally posted by Caramia
Some people just don't care to open themselves up to being targets to people well known for being cutting in their comments, so they'd rather agree from the shadows. I don't fault them for that.

As for being hypocritical -- hypocritical would have been for me to turn around and call Beth out on a specific aspect of her personal life that was similarly unfortunate.

But go ahead and feel free to switch the target and attack me instead, at least people aren't denigrating Ashley for a few hours. :devilsmile:

Whatever personal issue you have with me, or people that have personal issues with me, you should just get over it. Because this has absolutely nothing to do with whatever 'it' may be. I could see, maybe, if I came out with something hurtful for this woman, but I didn't.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<It's comments like those that make me feel inordinately fond of you, Bobmuhthol, even though I've never spoken to you previously.>>

Awesome.

<<As for being hypocritical -- hypocritical would have been for me to turn around and call Beth out on a specific aspect of her personal life that was similarly unfortunate.>>

No, hypocritical would be to say stupid, irrelevant, and completely wrong shit and then complain when someone says something you think is out of line. Hmm.. remind you of anyone? I'll give you a hint. She's bad at being good at life.

<<But go ahead and feel free to switch the target and attack me instead>>

Sweet.

[Brattt8525]

Originally posted by Maimara
I get the feeling the people Caramia was talking about have some personal beef with me anyway. I think we all know if I was going to say something harsh and bitchy I'd just say it, I wouldn't be coy with it.

Aww, and here i was so under the impression that....you really were a softie and hide how you really feel.....hehe yes you do still scare me!

[Betheny]

Originally posted by Brattt8525

Originally posted by Maimara
I get the feeling the people Caramia was talking about have some personal beef with me anyway. I think we all know if I was going to say something harsh and bitchy I'd just say it, I wouldn't be coy with it.

Aww, and here i was so under the impression that....you really were a softie and hide how you really feel.....hehe yes you do still scare me!

I really find no humor in what this chick is going through, which is why it bothers me someone thinks I was trying to be an asshole. :shrug:

[Caramia]

Originally posted by Maimara
Whatever personal issue you have with me, or people that have personal issues with me, you should just get over it. Because this has absolutely nothing to do with whatever 'it' may be. I could see, maybe, if I came out with something hurtful for this woman, but I didn't.

But what you said WAS hurtful and it certainly came across as snide. Anyways, Ashley is a fine lady and a gentile person, and she doesn't deserve to be on the receiving end of coarse comments or told-you-so's.

[Psykos]

Caramia,

You tell that cunt

Psykos.

[Betheny]

In that case, I apologize, because it wasn't meant to be like that.

I do still stand by my statement that Whatley is a jackass though.

[DeV]

I think it's like you stated, personal shit which has no bearing on this discussion. You have already stated what you meant by your words and if people wish to continue focusing on negativity, they should then just fuck off.

Btw, you don't scare me. You remind me of this girl I used to sexor.

[Betheny]

Originally posted by DarkelfVold
I think it's like you stated, personal shit which has no bearing on this discussion. You have already stated what you meant by your words and if people wish to continue focusing on negativity, they should then just fuck off.

Btw, you don't scare me. You remind me of this girl I used to sexor.

Yeah well... sometimes you eat the bar, sometimes the bar eats you. As far as I'm concerned, it's over, I apologized for hurting Ashley's feelings (assuming they were hurt in the first place), but I don't apologize for doing whatever pissed Caramia off.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Ashley is a fine lady and a gentile person>>

She loses points for being Christian.

[CrystalTears]

:stfu:

[Psykos]

Bob,

You make my stomach hurt I laugh so hard. Rock on.

PSYKOS

[Snapp]

We need a little "cat fight" smilie. :birdshit:

[Betheny]

Originally posted by Psykos
Bob,

You make my stomach hurt I laugh so hard. Rock on.

PSYKOS

Bob, you should feel validated, since our current coat hanger escapee likes you. Be careful, he might hump your leg.

[Caramia]

Then let me offer this, Beth. As you say, if you wanted to be bitchy you would clearly be so. I've read a lot of your posts and my impression is that you seem to put a lot of effort into creating a facade of bitchiness. I honestly don' think that's the real Beth, but that's just my opinion from the glimpses I've gotten here.

Is it any wonder then that some people, those with less knowledge of who you are, either as Beth or Maimara, and unfamiliar with your postings would see your comments about something that happened to their real lives, real hearts, and real spirits as nasty and mean-spirited?

I'm sure you've been hurt... we all have. Think of how you would feel if you came here and posted that someone you thought you loved turned out not to be as wonderful as you imagined, and that as a result, other bad things happened... you lost property, a job, your dreams. And someone posted "Well, what did you expect?" Because that's what it sounds like.

No one deserves to be treated that way.

Excuse me Bob, I meant genteel. Is that better?

[Edited on 9/8/2004 by Caramia]

[Betheny]

Originally posted by Caramia
Then let me offer this, Beth. As you say, if you wanted to be bitchy you would clearly be so. I've read a lot of your posts and my impression is that you seem to put a lot of effort into creating a facade of bitchiness. I honestly don' think that's the real Beth, but that's just my opinion from the glimpses I've gotten here.

Is it any wonder then that some people, those with less knowledge of who you are, either as Beth or Maimara, and unfamiliar with your postings would see your comments about something that happened to their real lives, real hearts, and real spirits as nasty and mean-spirited?

I'm sure you've been hurt... we all have. Think of how you would feel if you came here and posted that someone you thought you loved turned out not to be as wonderful as you imagined, and that as a result, other bad things happened... you lost property, a job, your dreams. And someone posted "Well, what did you expect?"

I wholeheartedly agree with what you say here, and I empathize with her situation completely.

Most of the time I say things for humor or to get a rise out of people, this time was not one of them. I can't fault you for assuming it was.

[The Korean]

Maybe she's a firm believer that things don't need to be sugar coated, and gives out the blunt truth.

[Snapp]

Originally posted by The Korean
Maybe she's a firm believer that things don't need to be sugar coated, and gives out the blunt truth.

Well there's a fine line between blunt truth and tasteless, although I definitely don't think it was crossed in this thread. Other times... eh...

[DeV]

Caramia, you are also putting alot of effort into much ado about nothing.

Give it up. You know what Maimara meant, I know what she meant and so did others. It is not that serious.
If you have problems with her style of posting you could have taken it up with her privately.

[Caramia]

Maybe she's a firm believer that things don't need to be sugar coated, and gives out the blunt truth.

Would that she had ALL the facts, and not assumptions, or were she Ashley's parent, I might agree with that.

But she is not, does not and again I think compassion for your fellow man is a better option.

[CrystalTears]

Okay we get it. Beth apologized. Can we let it go please?

[The Korean]

Originally posted by DarkelfVold
Caramia, you are also putting alot of effort into much ado about nothing.

Give it up. You know what Maimara meant, I know what she meant and so did others. It is not that serious.
If you have problems with her style of posting you could have taken it up with her privately.
:yeahthat:

[Caramia]

Originally posted by DarkelfVold
Caramia, you are also putting alot of effort into much ado about nothing.

Give it up. You know what Maimara meant, I know what she meant and so did others. It is not that serious.
If you have problems with her style of posting you could have taken it up with her privately.

I respectfully disagree that it's not that serious. Maybe not to you, but to someone else perhaps. I also disagree that we all inherently understood what Beth meant. The rather linear medium of the online world makes communication very susceptible to misunderstandings.

Yes, I am putting a lot of effort into my comments because there is a time to be cute and cunning with snide, snipping remarks, but a person's personal life should be considered off-limits. I'm hardly perfect, which I admit freely, but I hope I think before I hit that post reply button.

[Betheny]

You're implying I didn't, which I did.

This discussion should end now. I think I've apologized enough for whatever hurt feelings may have been caused by the comment I made, and this is really crossing the line into assinine territory now.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Maimara
As far as I'm concerned, it's over, I apologized for hurting Ashley's feelings (assuming they were hurt in the first place), but I don't apologize for doing whatever pissed Caramia off. Who's the better woman now.

This should be over Caramia.

[CrystalTears]

OMG and bitching at someone for their opinion on a matter that was open for discussion is better? WTF??

She was being blunt and honest in her post. So the fuck what? She didn't really mean anything mean by it. Heck it made me stop and think. I didn't agree with it but I'm not going to begrudge her from stating her opinion.

Everyone has their style of posting. If you don't like how they post regularly, talk to them directly. Blowing something out of proportion to prove some kind of point is not going to remedy the situation at all.

I adore Ashley, and I've told her how I feel about things. But let's be real. This is PC. She's been a part of it before. She knows how blunt, honest and open people can be here. You're bound to run into someone who's going to say "yeah whatever". The thing that makes this board so great about saying whatever you want is also it's downside. Expect the good with the bad. Beating people up for their opinion is not going to fix anything, only aggravate.