7th Graders Facing Explusion For Playing With Toy Gun In Own Yard

[Methais]

VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. (WAVY) - A suspended seventh grade Virginia Beach student will find out soon if he is expelled for the rest of the year for shooting an airsoft gun.

Like thousands of others in Hampton Roads, Khalid Caraballo plays with airsoft guns. Caraballo and his friend Aidan were suspended because they shot two other friends who were with them while playing with the guns as they waited for the school bus.

The two seventh graders say they never went to the bus stop; they fired the airsoft guns while on Caraballo's private property.

Aidan’s father, Tim Clark, told WAVY.com what happened next lacks commons sense. The children were suspended for possession, handling and use of a firearm.

Khalid's mother, Solangel Caraballo, thinks it is ridiculous the Virginia Beach City Public School System suspended her 13-year-old son and Aidan because they were firing a spring-driven airsoft gun on the Caraballo's posted private property. "My son is my private property. He does not become the school's property until he goes to the bus stop, gets on the bus, and goes to school."

The bus stop in question is 70 yards from the Caraballo's front yard.

Solangel Caraballo was not at home when this incident occurred. She was taking her young son to a Head Start class. She left her 16-year -old daughter in charge.

Khalid and Aiden aren't only suspended, they were recommended to be expelled for a year for "possession, handling and use of a firearm."

This story that addresses Zero Tolerance extending to private property began on September 9 with a 911 call from a concerned citizen.

Audio: Listen to the 911 call

A neighbor saw Khalid shooting the airsoft gun in his front yard. She told the dispatcher, "He is pointing the gun, and it looks like there's a target in a tree in his front yard".

WAVY.com located the 911 caller and spoke to her. She confirmed Khalid was taking target practice using a zombie hunter airsoft gun to kill the zombies. There was also a net behind the target to catch the plastic pellets.

The caller also knew the gun wasn't real and said so, "This is not a real one, but it makes people uncomfortable. I know that it makes me (uncomfortable), as a mom, to see a boy pointing a gun," she told the 911 dispatcher.

The airsoft guns are designed to be non-lethal. Plastic pellets are used, and not copper bb's.

Ironically, that 911 caller's son was playing with Khalid and Aidan in the Caraballo front yard on September 12. There were six children playing in an airsoft gun war. "We see the bus come. We put the gun down. We did not take the airsoft gun to the bus stop. We did not take the gun to school," Khalid explained.

Aidan admits shooting the caller's son in the arm, and Khalid admits shooting another friend in the back. "He knew we had the airsoft gun. He knew we were playing. He knew people were getting shot. We were shooting at the tree, but he still came and even after he was shot he still played," referring to the son of the 911 caller.

WAVY.com reached out to the principal of Larkspur Middle School, Matthew Delaney. In a letter obtained by WAVY.com he said his investigation found the "children were firing pellet guns at each other, and at people near the bus stop." The letter from Delaney says one child “was only 10 feet from the bus stop, and ran from the shots being fired, but was still hit."

Khalid insists all the shots fired were on his private property. The three children firing the guns were suspended. The three others who did not fire the guns were not suspended.

Khalid thinks it’s unfair. "Yes, it's unfair because we were in our yard. This had nothing to do with school. I didn't have anything at school at anytime."

The Virginia Beach City Code isn't clear, and goes back and forth. It reads no person "shall...discharge any firearm, spring-propelled rifle or pistol...within...150 yards of any building." Then it reads "no person shall use a pneumatic gun except at approved shooting ranges or within private property."

Solangel says, "That is exactly my point. It is private property."
However, the Code also requires shooting with "permission of the owner." In this case, the parent is the owner, and she did not give her son, Khalid, permission to fire the gun. He disobeyed her.
"How dare he disobey me, but this is a home issue. It's not a school issue and it won't happen again. He will never do this again," Solangel says looking back at Khalid with a stern face.

Virginia Beach Police say they do not proactively seek out to enforce this code unless "the juveniles are not exercising reasonable care." Reasonable care is defined as "the gun is discharged in a manner so the projectile is contained on the property by a fence or backstop."

Police are not charging anyone in this case. They would not discuss the specifics because the people involved are juveniles.

Khalid said he will never do this again. "It's terrible. I won't get the chance to go to a good college. It's

on your school record. The school said I had possession of a firearm. They aren't going to ask me any questions. They are going to think it was a real gun, and I was trying to hurt someone. They will say 'oh, we can't accept you.' "

The City codes referenced in this case are as follows:

City Code 38-3, primarily section (d) “ Notwithstanding any other provisions of this section, it shall be unlawful for any person to discharge any firearm, spring-propelled rifle or pistol, from, on, across or within one hundred fifty (150) yards of any building, dwelling, street, sidewalk, alley, roadway or public land or public place within the city limits.”

And

Section (f) “No person shall use a pneumatic gun in the area of the city described in (a) above except (i) at approved shooting ranges or (ii) on or within private property with permission of the owner or legal possessor thereof when conducted with reasonable care to prevent a projectile from crossing the bounds of the property. For purposes of this subsection, "pneumatic gun" means any implement designed as a gun that will expel a BB or a pellet by action of pneumatic pressure, including but not limited to paintball guns. Further, for the purpose of this subsection "reasonable care" means that the pneumatic gun is discharged in a manner so the projectile is contained on the property by a backstop, earthen embankment or fence. The discharge of projectiles across or over the bounds of the property shall create the rebuttable presumption that the use of the pneumatic gun was not conducted with reasonable care and shall constitute a Class 3 misdemeanor. “

Virginia Beach Police Sergeant Adam Bernstein released the following statement with regards to this incident:
We understand that a number of juveniles possess air soft guns and have “airsoft gun” wars with each other, but as it relates to the city code referenced above, they are in violation of the code if the juveniles are not exercising “reasonable care”. Also keep in mind that this is not something that we proactively seek out to enforce. If we receive a complaint (such as in the case for which you are doing the story on), we will investigate the call for service and enforce it appropriately, i.e. warning or prosecution. We want to stress to the parents of the juveniles and the operators of these type of “pneumatic guns” that they need to be handled responsibly and with reasonable care to ensure that the projectile is properly contained.

Khalid and two others had an expulsion hearing Monday afternoon to determine if they will be kicked out of their school for the entire year. WAVY News 10 will continue to follow the developments of this story and let you know the outcome of the expulsion rulings.

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[Jhynnifer]

"My son is my private property. He does not become the school's property until he goes to the bus stop, gets on the bus, and goes to school."

lolwut

responsibility maybe?

Still... isn't it kind of ironic that a school will fire a teacher for raising their voice to a student, but they'll turn around and suspend a kid for firing an airsoft gun on his own property?

[stormcrow]

I'm glad I grew up in the 80's. I remember being a green beret for Halloween an bring a toy gun to school as part of my costume. Ahh the good old days. Imagine being kick out of school now for shooting a pellet gun? Crazy... looks like we are raising a new generation of touchy feally pussies. Getting shot by a pellet gun builds character.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

The caller also knew the gun wasn't real and said so, "This is not a real one, but it makes people uncomfortable. I know that it makes me (uncomfortable), as a mom, to see a boy pointing a gun," she told the 911 dispatcher.

I really dislike where society is going. Playing guns certainly shouldn't be something to fear, but I suppose anyone could be concerned. My issue comes in where the adult here, couldn't see any resolution other than calling the police. This mom couldn't go outside, and ask the kids to stop herself, or better yet, go talk to the parents of the kids? She called the police about kids playing in their own yard... heaven forbid she do something that wasn't passive aggressive.

[crb]

Technically, an airsoft gun is not a firearm, nor can it be fired. The lawyer who wrote the city code is smart enough to know that, all the rest of the people calling it a firearm are idiots.

Imagine the horror if it hadn't be an airsoft fight... but a missle one... evil, dangerous...foam nerf missiles!?!?!?!? If you're expelled for shooting a pellet, what about a missile launcher? Can you imagine the 9/11 call "Some boy is shooting a missile launcher at the bus stop."

We need a real world equivalent of the old school gemstone thump. Some law where people are obligated to slap people who check their common sense and proceed to act hysterically.

Where I grew up kids in 7th grade went hunting, with actual guns. I remember being allowed to go hunting unsupervised with a friend when I was 14. Can you imagine if he had been dressed in hunter orange while holding a 12 gauge. The lady's head may have exploded.

[Tgo01]

If they were shooting at kids at the bus stop then I think the suspension was correct, it doesn't matter if they were firing FROM their private property I think it's a good message to send that you don't shoot anything at kids waiting for the school bus at the school bus stop.

That's the school's side anyways, who knows what really happened.

[Methais]

If they were shooting at kids at the bus stop then I think the suspension was correct, it doesn't matter if they were firing FROM their private property I think it's a good message to send that you don't shoot anything at kids waiting for the school bus at the school bus stop.

That's the school's side anyways, who knows what really happened.


The bus stop in question is 70 yards from the Caraballo's front yard.

Somehow I doubt the school's side of the story is legit.

[Tgo01]

I dunno, I just Googled it and the internet said airsoft gun projectiles can fire up to 100 yards.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

What about a football, could you throw a football to students waiting at a bus stop? Or a baseball?

[Tgo01]

What about a football, could you throw a football to students waiting at a bus stop? Or a baseball?

If you're shooting them from those baseball shooter things I'd say no.

[Whirlin]

I'm sure you all know about airsoft already... but figured I'd chime in.

1) Airsoft guns are modeled after real guns. The only difference is a little red nozzle insert, which is easily removed with a pair of pliers. Unlike Paintball guns which are typically modeled for efficiency and accuracy.
http://hardcore-airsoft.webs.com/photos/airsoft-collection/Ak%2047.jpg
Easy removal of the little orange piece... I can see how people would call 9/11 on them.

2) Airsoft guns can also use compressed air canisters to give a realistic recoil upon firing. In fact, it's what FreddieW uses for pretty much all of his productions, because of the realism.

3) Typically they use spring loaded firing mechanisms though that are recocked with electronic mechanisms. I could see it classified as a spring loaded projectile, as described by the lawyer bits up above.

4) You'll shoot your eye out!

5) 7th graders are assholes. All kids should be locked up between the ages of 11 to 15 or so. It'd make the world a better place.

With all of that being said... even as a liberal, I think this is an excessive punishment... If they were only firing on willing members of their games, on their own property, that's fine in my book. Now if they were opening up on other people waiting for the bus that wanted nothing to do with it... ok, there'd be a case there. They even set up a net to catch the little plastic BBs? The BBs cost $3 per 1000... the net cost more than replacement costs, so it's main goal is likely more to prevent unwilling participants from getting hit... That sounds like foresight and decent prevention in my book... way more than I'd likely do.

[AnticorRifling]

1) Airsoft guns are modeled after real guns. The only difference is a little red nozzle insert, which is easily removed with a pair of pliers. . That's the only difference huh? The only difference....no.

[Whirlin]

That's the only difference huh? The only difference....no.
In appearance to an onlooker, yes.

Don't take shit out of context.

[AnticorRifling]

In appearance to an onlooker, yes.

Don't take shit out of context.

Oh now we're qualifying it with appearance to an onlooker...at what distance? What about sound?

Don't get mad at me for you being wrong OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[cwolff]

What about a football, could you throw a football to students waiting at a bus stop? Or a baseball?

Keep in mind that the city ordinance references pneumatic weapons. So if you shot footballs from an air cannon then I guess you'd be violating the ordinance.

This story is much ado about nothing. It has nothing to do with zero tolerance or eating pop tarts in the shape of a pistol. It's become a legal matter that the school can't ignore. Unfortunately that one Mom was chose to call 911 instead of talking to the kids or the other parents.

[Candor]

Well times sure have changed...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMqd5EQXD-g

[cwolff]

Well times sure have changed...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMqd5EQXD-g

Definitely changed:

http://www.publicintegrity.org/2012/01/13/7870/fatal-texas-shooting-highlights-struggle-regulate-replica-guns

[Methais]

Keep in mind that the city ordinance references pneumatic weapons. So if you shot footballs from an air cannon then I guess you'd be violating the ordinance.

This story is much ado about nothing. It has nothing to do with zero tolerance or eating pop tarts in the shape of a pistol. It's become a legal matter that the school can't ignore. Unfortunately that one Mom was chose to call 911 instead of talking to the kids or the other parents.

How can a school be unable to ignore something that someone does on their private property, 70 yards away from the bus stop, and has literally nothing at all to do with the school?

[stormcrow]

This could have all been avoided if they just shot arrows at them.

[Back]

I was thinking this was a little overboard until I saw what an airsoft looks like.On the other hand if the pady knew what it was she could easily sppoken to the other parents about it efore calling the police. There may be a lot more to the story than we will ever know.

[Battlerager]

Who didn't play with toy guns when they were a kid? I mean every one of my toy guns used to look somewhat real. Whatever, I'm glad I didn't grow up in this cupcake society.

[Candor]

How can a school be unable to ignore something that someone does on their private property, 70 yards away from the bus stop, and has literally nothing at all to do with the school?

Because we have liberals who want to force their views down your throat whether or not you like it.

Strange that this very same concept is something that liberals constantly accuse conservatives of doing.

[Gelston]

If they were shooting at kids at the bus stop then I think the suspension was correct, it doesn't matter if they were firing FROM their private property I think it's a good message to send that you don't shoot anything at kids waiting for the school bus at the school bus stop.

That's the school's side anyways, who knows what really happened.

The bus stop is still not school property. There was a bunch of kids waiting at the bus stop once, and a bunch of other kids from the school drove by with water guns filled with bleach and sprayed all over the kids. The school could do nothing to the kids because it wasn't on school property.



The Police Department on the other hand could.

[cwolff]

The bus stop is still not school property. There was a bunch of kids waiting at the bus stop once, and a bunch of other kids from the school drove by with water guns filled with bleach and sprayed all over the kids. The school could do nothing to the kids because it wasn't on school property.



The Police Department on the other hand could.

Yes the school could do something about that. Maybe back then they chose not to do anything but today those kids would probably be expelled and face jail time.

http://www.cbsatlanta.com/story/14763300/four-teens-in-custody-in-bleach-attack-6-03-2010

[Gelston]

Yes the school could do something about that. Maybe back then they chose not to do anything but today those kids would probably be expelled and face jail time.

http://www.cbsatlanta.com/story/14763300/four-teens-in-custody-in-bleach-attack-6-03-2010

Maybe it is by state then, because in Louisiana they couldn't do anything about it. Not school property.

edit to add: Wait, where is the school doing anything in that article? I see the police doing all the work there, not the school.

[Narthsin]

This could have all been avoided if they just shot arrows at them.

I may or may not have done this as a kid, and my brother may or may not still have a scar on his eyelid due to it. :whistle:

[Back]

Who didn't play with toy guns when they were a kid? I mean every one of my toy guns used to look somewhat real. Whatever, I'm glad I didn't grow up in this cupcake society.

We also used to own slaves, make kids work in sweatshops, and didn't allow women to vote amongst many other things that were are much better for having progressed from darker times.

When you say "cupcake" society does this mean you don't want an improved environment for society?

[Gelston]

We also used to own slaves, make kids work in sweatshops, and didn't allow women to vote amongst many other things that were are much better for having progressed from darker times.

When you say "cupcake" society does this mean you don't want an improved environment for society?

Banning toy guns from being played with on your own yard is an improvement in society? Yeah. I guess we should just send all the kids in to play GTA V instead.

This reminds me of back when I was all poor and shit and lived in Government subsidized apartments. I was like 7 or 8. Anyways, we all had toy guns and would play cops and robbers. Oddly enough, the black kids always wanted to be robbers and the white kids wanted to be cops. So there was always like 10 black kids vs the 4 white kids. Anyways, we'd just run around and shoot at each other all day.

[Atlanteax]

We also used to own slaves, make kids work in sweatshops, and didn't allow women to vote amongst many other things that were are much better for having progressed from darker times.

When you say "cupcake" society does this mean you don't want an improved environment for society?

Because a generation ago, everyone had a personal indentured servant and women had no rights.

[Back]

Banning toy guns from being played with on your own yard is an improvement in society? Yeah. I guess we should just send all the kids in to play GTA V instead.

I'm just pointing out that "cupcake" society is actually something worth attaining. Along with "carebear" and any other words used to describe a society where we no longer fear being shot down anywhere we go in our own country or others.

Over the past few years mass shootings and wars are climbing in frequency. Shouldn't we be working towards the opposite? The elimination of these things?

[Taernath]

We also used to own slaves, make kids work in sweatshops, and didn't allow women to vote amongst many other things that were are much better for having progressed from darker times.

When you say "cupcake" society does this mean you don't want an improved environment for society?

Good call, because obviously he was advocating the return of slavery and the abolishment of suffrage and child labor laws.

[Gelston]

I'm just pointing out that "cupcake" society is actually something worth attaining. Along with "carebear" and any other words used to describe a society where we no longer fear being shot down anywhere we go in our own country or others.

Over the past few years mass shootings and wars are climbing in frequency. Shouldn't we be working towards the opposite? The elimination of these things?

Of course it is climbing. So is the population. Higher population, higher number of assholes.

[AnticorRifling]

We also used to own slaves, make kids work in sweatshops, and didn't allow women to vote amongst many other things that were are much better for having progressed from darker times.

When you say "cupcake" society does this mean you don't want an improved environment for society?

Playing with toy guns is the same as owning slaves. Gratz Back.

You sell your pistol yet?

[Tgo01]

We also used to own slaves, make kids work in sweatshops, and didn't allow women to vote amongst many other things that were are much better for having progressed from darker times.

Ah the good ol days when cowboys sexed up 20 women, shot 10 men and built an entire house with their bare hands before supper. Now they sit around talking about their feelings and crying and doing one another in the ass.

[Methais]

I'm just pointing out that "cupcake" society is actually something worth attaining. Along with "carebear" and any other words used to describe a society where we no longer fear being shot down anywhere we go in our own country or others.

Pretty sure by "cupcake society" he meant a world full of spineless wimps that have no concept of reality and are offended by everything. I'm sure you can relate.

If that's "progress" to you, then well...no, it's not, and you're a big vagina if you believe it to be the case.


Over the past few years mass shootings and wars are climbing in frequency. Shouldn't we be working towards the opposite? The elimination of these things?

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[Back]

Playing with toy guns is the same as owning slaves. Gratz Back.

You sell your pistol yet?

I've gone a little off-topic with a bigger picture point of view. When someone says they don't want a "cupcake" society I have to wonder why they hate cupcakes so much.

On topic you are a father and in my estimation a good one. Would you have allowed your kids to play unsupervised in the front yard with an airsoft gun on a school day before being picked up by the bus? I don't see this so much of a police issue as a parenting one.

As to your question, yes. Its a sellers market right now so I got a really good price.

[Methais]

I've gone a little off-topic with a bigger picture point of view. When someone says they don't want a "cupcake" society I have to wonder why they hate cupcakes so much.

On topic you are a father and in my estimation a good one. Would you have allowed your kids to play unsupervised in the front yard with an airsoft gun on a school day before being picked up by the bus? I don't see this so much of a police issue as a parenting one.

As to your question, yes. Its a sellers market right now so I got a really good price.

I like how you're trying to imply that an airsoft gun can actually injure someone outside of a close range shot to the eye, in which case a spitball would probably do similar damage.

Pretty sure that it wouldn't matter in this instance if it were an airsoft gun, a cap gun, or a water gun. They're all "guns" and therefore the hammer must be brought down with tremendous force.

On a side note, do they still make cap guns? They were fucking awesome back when I was a kid. Especially when you hit a whole roll of caps with a good sized rock...it sounded like a bomb went off, yet strangely enough, nobody ever got injured or killed or labeled a terrorist.

[Back]

Pretty sure by "cupcake society" he meant a world full of spineless wimps that have no concept of reality and are offended by everything. I'm sure you can relate.

If that's "progress" to you, then well...no, it's not, and you're a big vagina if you believe it to be the case.

I'll bet the same things were said about people fighting to free slaves, get better working conditions for workers, and giving women the right to vote.

Is your masculinity really so fragile?

[Methais]

I'll bet the same things were said about people fighting to free slaves, get better working conditions for workers, and giving women the right to vote.

Is your masculinity really so fragile?

Yours is obviously nonexistent. But we've already known for years that you're a woman in a man's body.

And the fact that you're comparing this to slavery and all that basically proves it.

[Gelston]

I'll bet the same things were said about people fighting to free slaves, get better working conditions for workers, and giving women the right to vote.

Is your masculinity really so fragile?

Seriously, stop. This situation is in no way comparable to slavery, worker's rights, or women's suffrage. I imagine the people that gave their all for those right would be extremely offended to read you comparing them as well.

[Candor]

I'm just pointing out that "cupcake" society is actually something worth attaining. Along with "carebear" and any other words used to describe a society where we no longer fear being shot down anywhere we go in our own country or others.

Over the past few years mass shootings and wars are climbing in frequency. Shouldn't we be working towards the opposite? The elimination of these things?

We could start by asking why we have higher gun violence in this country compared to other countries where a significant portion of the population owns a firearm. Start with Canada.

[Archigeek]

If they opened fire on the bus stop, well then maybe some discipline was appropriate. On the other hand, I agree that this should have been a parental thing.

In the "back in the old days" category, when I was a kid, we made Polish cannons that used lighter fluid for fuel and could shoot a tennis ball about 150 yards. Then we decided it would be cooler if we soaked the tennis balls in gasoline overnight first, so that we could shoot FLAMING tennis balls! It was. They left a really great flaming splat when they bounced. Except for that one time when one rolled under my uncle's car...

[Narthsin]

We should totally be able to nominate people for new PC titles.

In this case, Back's new one should forever be 'Cupcake'.


.... and Archigeek, "Angry Polish Boy"

[Back]

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[Latrinsorm]

I hope I'm not the only one really sick of RojoDisco starting threads about news stories before all the facts come out, and I-... wait, Methais started this thread? After all the grief he gave Rojo? Inconceivable!
What about a football, could you throw a football to students waiting at a bus stop? Or a baseball?Personally I can throw a football 70 yards, yes.
Seriously, stop. This situation is in no way comparable to slavery, worker's rights, or women's suffrage. I imagine the people that gave their all for those right would be extremely offended to read you comparing them as well.I don't get why people react so defensively.

[cwolff]

If they opened fire on the bus stop, well then maybe some discipline was appropriate. On the other hand, I agree that this should have been a parental thing.

That's got to be one of the funniest things I've ever read on here.

[Taernath]

I hope I'm not the only one really sick of RojoDisco starting threads about news stories before all the facts come out, and I-... wait, Methais started this thread? After all the grief he gave Rojo? Inconceivable!

What other facts do you expect to come out?

[Latrinsorm]

Just because those BBs refused to go to the hospital doesn't mean they didn't receive medical treatment at the scene.

Everyone wants to criticize the 911 caller, what if Airsoft guns killed her child? Huh? What about that? Can any of you prove that Airsoft guns don't cause cancer? Can you?

Everyone wants to pretend these kids were angels, when we haven't even seen their twitters yet.

[Back]

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The story has a few more added opening paragraphs since you first posted. No mention of an update or change.


VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. (WAVY) - Two seventh grade Virginia Beach students have learned their fates Tuesday morning after they were suspended for shooting airsoft gun.

During a hearing Tuesday morning, Aidan Clark and Khalid Caraballo were given long-term suspensions in a unanimous vote. The suspensions will last until June, but a hearing will be held in January to determine if they will be allowed back in school.

Their parents told WAVY News' Andy Fox their children were expelled, but when Fox looked at the official letter from the school, he found they were long-term suspensions and not expulsions. Their parents still feel as though they were expelled.

Letter from school officials (https://linmedia-cms.endplay.com/documents/234677/0/letter+from+vb+schools.jpg/cbe27bb6-e72d-4d8e-810d-796ad72b15f0?t=1380036714566)

Clark was offered the option of attending an alternative school, but his father, Tim, told WAVY News' Andy Fox he will be homeschooled.

Caraballo will attend an alternative school.

[Gelston]

Even with that update, they were still kicked out of school for a period of time for playing with toy guns on their own property and not on school property. And as far as I can tell, being kicked out of school until June (the end of the school year) is expulsion for that year. I hope those kids play with those toy guns in their front yard every morning now.

[Taernath]

Even with that update, they were still kicked out of school for a period of time for playing with toy guns on their own property and not on school property. And as far as I can tell, being kicked out of school until June (the end of the school year) is expulsion for that year. I hope those kids play with those toy guns in their front yard every morning now.

Awesome. More children funneled into the school-to-prison pipeline.

[Parkbandit]

We also used to own slaves, make kids work in sweatshops, and didn't allow women to vote amongst many other things that were are much better for having progressed from darker times.

When you say "cupcake" society does this mean you don't want an improved environment for society?

:rofl:

[Methais]

If they opened fire on the bus stop, well then maybe some discipline was appropriate. On the other hand, I agree that this should have been a parental thing.

In the "back in the old days" category, when I was a kid, we made Polish cannons that used lighter fluid for fuel and could shoot a tennis ball about 150 yards. Then we decided it would be cooler if we soaked the tennis balls in gasoline overnight first, so that we could shoot FLAMING tennis balls! It was. They left a really great flaming splat when they bounced. Except for that one time when one rolled under my uncle's car...

Terrorist.

[Methais]

What other facts do you expect to come out?

Yes please tell us Latrin.

[cwolff]

If they opened fire on the bus stop, well then maybe some discipline was appropriate.

Larkspur Middle School principal Matthew Delaney issued a statement that the “children were firing pellet guns at each other, and at people near the bus stop,” adding that one child “was only 10 feet from the bus stop, and ran from the shots being fired, but was still hit.”

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Matthew Delaney, principal of Larkspar Middle School, said in a statement obtained by WAVY-TV that since the children were in the process of going to school, the school district has jurisdiction over the boys. He said the incident happened less than 10 feet away from the bus stop and other students were present.

"There is an expectation that all students should be able to travel to and from school in the safest environment possible," Delaney said. "As the principal of Larkspur Middle School, I am responsible for the safety of students and will take all appropriate actions to ensure that the students using the pellet guns are appropriately disciplined and held responsible for their conduct."

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[Battlerager]

HUm .. you got me ... You figured out that this is really what I was hinting at!!! Yes bring it all back!!! Wow... I'm surprised you didn't throw in there something about racism, terrorism, and lotion free handjobs. Anyhow, the meek shall inherit the earth and all it's cupcakes too.


We also used to own slaves, make kids work in sweatshops, and didn't allow women to vote amongst many other things that were are much better for having progressed from darker times.

When you say "cupcake" society does this mean you don't want an improved environment for society?

[Warriorbird]

Awesome. More children funneled into the school-to-prison pipeline.

We don't hold with calling Louisiana by that name around here.

[Gelston]

We don't hold with calling Louisiana by that name around here.

Hey, we only have 900 more people per 100,000 in prison compared to the next state, and 15 times more compared to the 50th state and 1100 over the national average. Interesting article on it here- http://www.npr.org/2012/06/05/154352977/how-louisiana-became-the-worlds-prison-capital Kinda explains why the Caddo Parish Sheriff's Department is always hiring jailers, but almost never new patrol Deputies.

Coincidentally, I've heard we are also #1 per capita for creating NFL players too.

[Warriorbird]

Hey, we only have 900 more people per 100,000 in prison compared to the next state, and 15 times more compared to the 50th state and 1100 over the national average. Interesting article on it here- http://www.npr.org/2012/06/05/154352977/how-louisiana-became-the-worlds-prison-capital Kinda explains why the Caddo Parish Sheriff's Department is always hiring jailers, but almost never new patrol Deputies.

Coincidentally, I've heard we are also #1 per capita for creating NFL players too.

http://www.entertainmentwallpaper.com/images/desktops/movie/1939.jpg

[Thondalar]

Hey, we only have 900 more people per 100,000 in prison compared to the next state, and 15 times more compared to the 50th state and 1100 over the national average. Interesting article on it here- http://www.npr.org/2012/06/05/154352977/how-louisiana-became-the-worlds-prison-capital Kinda explains why the Caddo Parish Sheriff's Department is always hiring jailers, but almost never new patrol Deputies.



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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=wTjMqda19wk

[Gelston]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=wTjMqda19wk

Of course America isn't the greatest country. America isn't a country.

Beyond technicalities though, we sure are. Our products are every where. When you go to an air port in Amsterdam, what music are they playing? '80s pop when I was there. I asked someone why they are playing US artists and not local, their answer? "Our music sucks." There isn't a place on this planet we can't reach commercially or militarily. They always say "Oh we are this low in education." Well, yeah. Guess what? We have a lot more people. You may want to even say "Well per capita". If you take our top percents it is probably greater than their entire population.

It shows a great failing for our lower class, sure. Our middle to upper class is in pretty damn good shape, regardless of what self-hating this is the end of the country crap they say on the news.

But what do you measure greatest on? We have so many amazing things in this country. From beaches, to snow capped peaks, to tropical rain forests. If you like deserts, we have those too. Technology wise? Heck, we are even furthering ourselves from the next country behind us. Remember when everyone was worried about Japan's technological sector surpassing ours? I don't think there is any worry about that anymore, well, except for sex robots. We also aren't having to buy out land in the Ukraine to feed ourselves, so I think that puts us above China at least.

[Jarvan]

I'm glad I grew up in the 80's. I remember being a green beret for Halloween an bring a toy gun to school as part of my costume. Ahh the good old days. Imagine being kick out of school now for shooting a pellet gun? Crazy... looks like we are raising a new generation of touchy feally pussies. Getting shot by a pellet gun builds character.

Shit, once in HS I did the same. Except I used a paintball gun, loaded. Didn't shoot it in school, mind you. Then again, this was the 90's even. People didn't sweat the little stuff.

I have been trying to figure out the rational next step if the School thinks it can control what kids can and can't do on their own property if it is close to a bus stop. (Not that I think that has a fucking thing to do with anything mind you, a bus stop is not school property in any way shape or form) I wonder if next they will do a house to house search of every home within 150 yards of the bus stop, and expel any kid that owns a toy gun. Maybe they will force kids to take lie detector tests and ask them if they ever made a handgun shape with their hand and utter bang on their property and expel them. Frankly, I don't know about many of you, but this 150 yards thing that the school claims, well, in my town that would basically mean that no kid could EVER own or play with a toy gun, since bus stops are generally less then 150 yards apart.

[Jarvan]

I'm sure you all know about airsoft already... but figured I'd chime in.

1) Airsoft guns are modeled after real guns. The only difference is a little red nozzle insert, which is easily removed with a pair of pliers. Unlike Paintball guns which are typically modeled for efficiency and accuracy.
http://hardcore-airsoft.webs.com/photos/airsoft-collection/Ak%2047.jpg
Easy removal of the little orange piece... I can see how people would call 9/11 on them.

2) Airsoft guns can also use compressed air canisters to give a realistic recoil upon firing. In fact, it's what FreddieW uses for pretty much all of his productions, because of the realism.

3) Typically they use spring loaded firing mechanisms though that are recocked with electronic mechanisms. I could see it classified as a spring loaded projectile, as described by the lawyer bits up above.

4) You'll shoot your eye out!

5) 7th graders are assholes. All kids should be locked up between the ages of 11 to 15 or so. It'd make the world a better place.

With all of that being said... even as a liberal, I think this is an excessive punishment... If they were only firing on willing members of their games, on their own property, that's fine in my book. Now if they were opening up on other people waiting for the bus that wanted nothing to do with it... ok, there'd be a case there. They even set up a net to catch the little plastic BBs? The BBs cost $3 per 1000... the net cost more than replacement costs, so it's main goal is likely more to prevent unwilling participants from getting hit... That sounds like foresight and decent prevention in my book... way more than I'd likely do.

http://i41.tinypic.com/1212zbt.jpg

Yep, Looks TOTALLY like a real gun to me.

(Hint - THIS is what they were playing with)

[Gelston]

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1465744.1380032280!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/toygun25n-1-web.jpg

I AM AFRAID THIS IS REAL OKAY?

The ones I bought in Korea did look extremely real though. They aren't required to have an orange tip or anything there.

[Jarvan]

You know.. the more I think about this case, the more this line jumps out at me..

The caller also knew the gun wasn't real and said so, "This is not a real one, but it makes people uncomfortable. I know that it makes me (uncomfortable), as a mom, to see a boy pointing a gun," she told the 911 dispatcher.

Does this mean that from now on, if one individual does not like something, they can force the rest of the world to follow along with it? I mean for fucks sake, the woman called the 911 KNOWING it was a fake gun and no harm was being done, she just felt "Uncomfortable".

You know what makes me "uncomfortable", parents like this. Maybe someone should call the cops on her.

[Sorcasaurus]

"There is an expectation that all students should be able to travel to and from school in the safest environment possible," Delaney said. "As the principal of Larkspur Middle School, I am responsible for the safety of students and will take all appropriate actions to ensure that the students using the pellet guns are appropriately disciplined and held responsible for their conduct."

When and where does this journey start? Does that mean anywhere between getting out of bed and arriving in homeroom they can punish people and things for making the journey anything but a magical sing-a-long full of rainbows and sprinkles?

My primary thought is simply to let the police handle this if the adults responsible aren't willing, or can't, deal with it on their own. The mother who called handled it poorly in my eyes, but my standard for what warrants police involvement isn't something I can hold people to. Simply judge them for it.

It's the jurisdiction of the police and they seem to have a very grounded stance on the matter. Don't placate inept parents and overstep the role of a school. Should they have contacted parents and or the police having learned of it? Yes, but that doesn't make the school the equivalent of Judge Dredd reigning over the students wherever they are.

[Taernath]

I AM AFRAID THIS IS REAL OKAY?

The ones I bought in Korea did look extremely real though. They aren't required to have an orange tip or anything there.

I had an all black automatic uzi water gun when I was a kid in the 80's. It was awesome, but it broke pretty quick. I used to run up and down the streets and play in the empty lot by my house and never got the cops called on me.

[Candor]

If I were the parent of this kid I would be taking the case to court, and I would contact every media organization and elected representative I could find and inform them of the matter.

But that's me I suppose...

[AnticorRifling]

I've gone a little off-topic with a bigger picture point of view. When someone says they don't want a "cupcake" society I have to wonder why they hate cupcakes so much.

On topic you are a father and in my estimation a good one. Would you have allowed your kids to play unsupervised in the front yard with an airsoft gun on a school day before being picked up by the bus? I don't see this so much of a police issue as a parenting one.

As to your question, yes. Its a sellers market right now so I got a really good price.

You didn't get off topic you tried to relate two completely unrelated things in order to make some lost point.

No obviously I wouldn't allow my children to go to school, they've got to stay uneducated so I can subvert them because playing with toys is like slavery.

[AnticorRifling]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=wTjMqda19wk

You realize the pussification process is part of the problem he's talking about but you're supporting right?

PUT DOWN THE TOY GUNS THEY ARE SLAVES!

[AnticorRifling]

Everyone wants to pretend these kids were angels, when we haven't even seen their twitters yet. I just want to pretend those kids are kids. We should start with that novel concept.

[Warriorbird]

I just want to pretend those kids are kids. We should start with that novel concept.

We won't. The people who whine about this were probably the same people whining about kids wearing trenchcoats for a decade after Columbine and who liked the idea of the TSA for 10 years after 9-11. Parents don't treat kids as kids. Politicians certainly don't either.

[Whirlin]

Just some more Airsoft info.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kelqxq_mxA0

Still agree it's ridiculous though. However, not for the private property argument. If you were to rape and kill someone on your own private property... I'd hope you'd still get expelled from school.
Extreme example? Absolutely.

[cwolff]

Still agree it's ridiculous though. However, not for the private property argument. If you were to rape and kill someone on your own private property... I'd hope you'd still get expelled from school.
Extreme example? Absolutely.

Agreed, this is not a private property story. The right wing internet rags and internet blogs are screaming that from their headlines but it's just propaganda.

Larkspur Middle School principal Matthew Delaney issued a statement that the “children were firing pellet guns at each other, and at people near the bus stop,” adding that one child “was only 10 feet from the bus stop, and ran from the shots being fired, but was still hit.”

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Matthew Delaney, principal of Larkspar Middle School, said in a statement obtained by WAVY-TV that since the children were in the process of going to school, the school district has jurisdiction over the boys. He said the incident happened less than 10 feet away from the bus stop and other students were present.

"There is an expectation that all students should be able to travel to and from school in the safest environment possible," Delaney said. "As the principal of Larkspur Middle School, I am responsible for the safety of students and will take all appropriate actions to ensure that the students using the pellet guns are appropriately disciplined and held responsible for their conduct."

[AnticorRifling]

Just some more Airsoft info.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kelqxq_mxA0

Still agree it's ridiculous though. However, not for the private property argument. If you were to rape and kill someone on your own private property... I'd hope you'd still get expelled from school.
Extreme example? Absolutely.

Good video of modified airsoft not at all used by the kids in the story that's extremely useful!

Also those idiots know nothing about proper weapon carry.

[AnticorRifling]

Agreed, this is not a private property story. The right wing internet rags and internet blogs are screaming that from their headlines but it's just propaganda.

Larkspur Middle School principal Matthew Delaney issued a statement that the “children were firing pellet guns at each other, and at people near the bus stop,” adding that one child “was only 10 feet from the bus stop, and ran from the shots being fired, but was still hit.”

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Matthew Delaney, principal of Larkspar Middle School, said in a statement obtained by WAVY-TV that since the children were in the process of going to school, the school district has jurisdiction over the boys. He said the incident happened less than 10 feet away from the bus stop and other students were present.

"There is an expectation that all students should be able to travel to and from school in the safest environment possible," Delaney said. "As the principal of Larkspur Middle School, I am responsible for the safety of students and will take all appropriate actions to ensure that the students using the pellet guns are appropriately disciplined and held responsible for their conduct."

Except for they weren't at the bus stop...and the discipline isn't appropriate at all right?

[Candor]

Matthew Delaney, principal of Larkspar Middle School, said in a statement obtained by WAVY-TV that since the children were in the process of going to school, the school district has jurisdiction over the boys.

I absolutely do not agree with this statement. Until the kids board the school bus, the school district has no jurisdiction. Parents are responsible until the child is in the bus.

[AnticorRifling]

I absolutely do not agree with this statement. Until the kids board the school bus, the school district has no jurisdiction. Parents are responsible until the child is in the bus.

Depends on the area I would guess. If it's a specific piece of public property that's earmarked and labeled as a bus stop I'd see that as an extension of the school...but they weren't at the bus stop.

[Candor]

Depends on the area I would guess. If it's a specific piece of public property that's earmarked and labeled as a bus stop I'd see that as an extension of the school...but they weren't at the bus stop.

Admittedly I am thinking of a local street corner like in my neighborhood. If it's a specific piece of public property that's earmarked and labeled as a bus stop, I see your point.

[cwolff]

Admittedly I am thinking of a local street corner like in my neighborhood. If it's a specific piece of public property that's earmarked and labeled as a bus stop, I see your point.

You guys are looking at this wrong. It's not necessarily based on physical property lines at all.

[Tenlaar]

You could get in trouble for stuff like fighting at the bus stop (which was a street corner) when I was in school, if you got caught. That's not something new.

It's just being taken so much further than it used to be, like so many things.

[AnticorRifling]

You guys are looking at this wrong. It's not necessarily based on physical property lines at all.

You're looking at this wrong if you think that doesn't matter. Nevermind the fact these things aren't firearms.

[Back]

You're looking at this wrong if you think that doesn't matter.

They were shooting at the kids at the bus stop. Did you miss that part?

[AnticorRifling]

They were shooting at the kids at the bus stop. Did you miss that part?

You mean here:

"Audio: Listen to the 911 call

A neighbor saw Khalid shooting the airsoft gun in his front yard. She told the dispatcher, "He is pointing the gun, and it looks like there's a target in a tree in his front yard".

WAVY.com located the 911 caller and spoke to her. She confirmed Khalid was taking target practice using a zombie hunter airsoft gun to kill the zombies. There was also a net behind the target to catch the plastic pellets.

The caller also knew the gun wasn't real and said so, "This is not a real one, but it makes people uncomfortable. I know that it makes me (uncomfortable), as a mom, to see a boy pointing a gun," she told the 911 dispatcher.

The airsoft guns are designed to be non-lethal. Plastic pellets are used, and not copper bb's.

Ironically, that 911 caller's son was playing with Khalid and Aidan in the Caraballo front yard on September 12. There were six children playing in an airsoft gun war. "We see the bus come. We put the gun down. We did not take the airsoft gun to the bus stop. We did not take the gun to school," Khalid explained.

Aidan admits shooting the caller's son in the arm, and Khalid admits shooting another friend in the back. "He knew we had the airsoft gun. He knew we were playing. He knew people were getting shot. We were shooting at the tree, but he still came and even after he was shot he still played," referring to the son of the 911 caller. "

Or here: "WAVY.com reached out to the principal of Larkspur Middle School, Matthew Delaney. In a letter obtained by WAVY.com he said his investigation found the "children were firing pellet guns at each other, and at people near the bus stop." The letter from Delaney says one child “was only 10 feet from the bus stop, and ran from the shots being fired, but was still hit."

[Back]

That link keeps changing as the story unfolds...


However, a second 911 call from a different caller on Sept. 12 is what schools officials say led to the investigation and then suspensions. WAVY.com was unaware of the second 911 call on Monday, during our first report of the incident. On Tuesday, Virginia Beach City Public Schools said in a Facebook post (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=458314890950540&set=vb.299985226783508&type=2&theater) that WAVY "chose not to air a 911 call from September 12 ... despite being made aware of its existence by police."Audio: 911 call on Sept. 12 (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=458314890950540&set=vb.299985226783508&type=2&theater)

Virginia Beach Police did not mention the second 911 call when WAVY's Andy Fox called the department before his report on Monday.

Still, the second 911 call further confirms Khalid Caraballo did not leave his private property during the September 12 incident.

" ... the white child appeared to have a gun, and he was chasing the other child ... when he saw me he kind of stuck it in his pants. I don't know if it was a toy or if they were playing," said the 911 caller in the Sept. 12 call.

The caller was speaking about 12-year-old Aidan Clark, who admits he ran off Caraballo's property into the street in front of Khalid's house.

"I ran and chased him. I aimed to shoot, and I saw a car on the right," Clark said.

"He looked directly at me and the black child kept on running," the 911 caller said.

Aidan was chasing a third child, who is African American and who was also suspended. Aidan says Khalid never left his property and none of the boys shot the guns while in the street.

WAVY.com reached out to the principal of Larkspur Middle School, Matthew Delaney. In a letter obtained by WAVY.com (https://linmedia-cms.endplay.com/documents/234677/0/Principal%27s+response/f65e30ee-1e06-49a3-b212-30e18a55b6cb) Delaney said his investigation found the "children were firing pellet guns at each other, and at people near the bus stop." The letter (https://linmedia-cms.endplay.com/documents/234677/0/Principal%27s+response/f65e30ee-1e06-49a3-b212-30e18a55b6cb) from Delaney says one child “was only 10 feet from the bus stop, and ran

[Jarvan]

Just some more Airsoft info.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kelqxq_mxA0

Still agree it's ridiculous though. However, not for the private property argument. If you were to rape and kill someone on your own private property... I'd hope you'd still get expelled from school.
Extreme example? Absolutely.

Most Idiotic statement on here.. except maybe for Back's.

If a Kid is not allowed to play in their own private yard.. without the school cracking down on them.. WTF???!?!?!?

Let me ask you this.. if a school has a zero tolerance policy about.. say.. racial slurs, and as that one kid was playing a white kid walked by and said "stupid N-word" would the school have the right to suspend the kid that said it, since it happened "on the way to or from school"? How does a school have control of what someone does on their OWN time, on their OWN property? Once again, read the story, they were not firing AT the kids, and frankly, if you have EVER shot a airsoft gun, you would know 70 yrds is IMPOSSIBLE. I mean, maybe if there was 100mps winds in that direction, and you fired it into the wind and it carried it...

Face it, this was a bunch of assholes flexing their own stupidity.

[AnticorRifling]

Your quote still doesn't say anything about them shooting at kids waiting at the bus stop.

[Jarvan]

That link keeps changing as the story unfolds...

You are still an idiot. I read that and see 3 boys playing with the toys having fun. You read that and likely think "OMG that white kid was attacking and trying to kill the poor black kid!!?!!" That is what makes you a fucktard.


"The caller was speaking about 12-year-old Aidan Clark, who admits he ran off Caraballo's property into the street in front of Khalid's house."

Like I said before.. if ANYONE here can fire a airsoft gun more then 50 yrds.. I wana fucking see it. And not some suped up version, use the same gun they did. Hell, Most BB guns don't even travel 50 yards. and this was actually at least 65 yrds away. And not likely in the right direction.

Man, what I really wish, is someone buys every single kid in that town a set of these guns, and pays then 100 bucks to have a "play war" right before school. I wonder if the school will suspend EVERY SINGLE child for a year...


You know what, I bet they would. Then they could all get paid and get to do nothing.

[AnticorRifling]

I don't think Back is saying that at all. I think Back's position is more that kids waiting at the bus stop were being fired upon, which I don't believe to be true. If that was true then yes there is an issue (even if the kids were on their own property)...but from what I'm reading they were shooting at targets and one another (all being involved in the playing).

[Back]

Your quote still doesn't say anything about them shooting at kids waiting at the bus stop.


WAVY.com reached out to the principal of Larkspur Middle School, Matthew Delaney. In a letter obtained by WAVY.com (https://linmedia-cms.endplay.com/documents/234677/0/Principal%27s+response/f65e30ee-1e06-49a3-b212-30e18a55b6cb) Delaney said his investigation found the "children were firing pellet guns at each other, and at people near the bus stop." The letter (https://linmedia-cms.endplay.com/documents/234677/0/Principal%27s+response/f65e30ee-1e06-49a3-b212-30e18a55b6cb) from Delaney says one child “was only 10 feet from the bus stop, and ran

Thats the third time that particular line has been quoted here. You need glasses.

[AnticorRifling]

NEAR THE BUS STOP is not kids waiting at the bus stop.

[Tgo01]

Let me ask you this.. if a school has a zero tolerance policy about.. say.. racial slurs, and as that one kid was playing a white kid walked by and said "stupid N-word" would the school have the right to suspend the kid that said it, since it happened "on the way to or from school"?

Actually I think the school should have the right to suspend the kid in this situation. If the two went to the same school together then it's creating a hostile environment for the black kid at school. Humans aren't machines, we can't just turn off our human emotions from one minute to the next, every time the black kid saw the white kid at school he would think "That's the guy..."

Even if they didn't go to the same school it's creating a hostile environment for the kid to get to school.

What if there is some bully who waits for the same kid everyday 10 feet away from the bus stop who then proceeds to kick the shit out of him everyday? Can the school not get involved because it's off school property? What if the bully is on his own property and as the bullied kid walks by (which he has to to get to the bus stop) can the bully throw a cup of piss on him everyday then throw his hands up and say "Hey! On my property! Can't touch me!"

[Back]

Click the link of the principal's letter... wait. Here.


STATEMENT FROM MATTHEW DELANEY, PRINCIPAL, LARKSPUR MIDDLE SCHOOLVIRGINIA BEACH CITY PUBLIC SCHOOLS


As a school principal, student safety is my number one priority. I was advised by the Virginia Beach Police Department Thursday, Sept. 12 that a passing motorist had seen a child with a gun chasing another child in the street near a Larkspur bus stop. Understandably, I became concerned and looked into the matter. Since police could not confirm whether the child got on a school bus it was imperative that I investigate the matter thoroughly to determine if a gun had been brought on school property.


In the course of the investigation, conducted in concert with a police officer and the school division Office of Safety and Loss Control, we identified the children who were firing pellet guns at each other and at people near the bus stop. Several students verified that they had been hit by pellets and had the marks to support their claims. In one instance, a child was only 10 feet from the bus stop and ran from the shots being fired but was still hit. Another student claimed to be shot in the back while running away during a previous incident Wednesday, Sept. 11. This child was also shot in the arm and head during Thursday’s incident. I contacted the school division’s Office of Student Leadership and School Board Legal Counsel for guidance. Because students were on their way to or at a school bus stop when they were struck by pellets, the school division has jurisdiction to take disciplinary actions against those students responsible for the disruption. There is an expectation that all students should be able to travel to and from school in the safest environment possible.


As the principal of Larkspur Middle School, I am responsible for the safety of students and will take all appropriate actions to ensure that the students using the pellet guns are appropriately disciplined and held responsible for their conduct. It is my sincere hope that they will learn important life lessons; the most important being that there will be consequences when they do things that can result in harm to another person. Given the opportunity, teachers, administrators and our entire community should always be willing to step forward to protect one another. This was a dangerous situation that involved the intervention of law enforcement, the Office of Safety and Loss Control and our school administration. I trust that parents and the public will support our actions which were taken with safety in mind.

[AnticorRifling]

They weren't at the bus stop, you're not reading the OR in his grounds for action statement of "On their way OR at the bus stop"

Principal is overreacting.

[Back]

They weren't at the bus stop, you're not reading the OR in his grounds for action statement of "On their way OR at the bus stop"

Principal is overreacting.

This is where we disagree then. I thought the mom calling 911 was over reacting. That was yesterday before they discovered it was another 911 call of a guy seeing kids on the sidewalk with what looked like a gun that got the principal involved.

This isn't the government invading your rights or property. It's little shits causing trouble.

[Whirlin]

Fucking 7th graders...

[RichardCranium]

This is where we disagree then. I thought the mom calling 911 was over reacting. That was yesterday before they discovered it was another 911 call of a guy seeing kids on the sidewalk with what looked like a gun that got the principal involved.

This isn't the government invading your rights or property. It's little shits causing trouble.

Causing trouble by playing in their yard?

[Back]

Causing trouble by playing in their yard?

If that was all they were doing I would agree. But its not. Read the principal's letter. Who are you going to believe? A 7th grade boy or the principal responsible for the welfare of hundreds of children?


As a school principal, student safety is my number one priority. I was advised by the Virginia Beach Police Department Thursday, Sept. 12 that a passing motorist had seen a child with a gun chasing another child in the street near a Larkspur bus stop. Understandably, I became concerned and looked into the matter. Since police could not confirm whether the child got on a school bus it was imperative that I investigate the matter thoroughly to determine if a gun had been brought on school property.

[Jeril]

Even if this was at the bus stop I don't see the big deal, maybe if one of the kids was being bullied or harassed but that doesn't seem to be the case.

[Jarvan]

This is where we disagree then. I thought the mom calling 911 was over reacting. That was yesterday before they discovered it was another 911 call of a guy seeing kids on the sidewalk with what looked like a gun that got the principal involved.

This isn't the government invading your rights or property. It's little shits causing trouble.

Unless this "gun battle" was taking place within 20 feet of that bus stop, which so far NO ONE has said it has, then the kids either were not at the bus stop, or lying little fucks.

Go buy one of these sets of guns Back, and try to get a pellet to fly 50 yards, I dare you.

I was advised by the Virginia Beach Police Department Thursday, Sept. 12 that a passing motorist had seen a child with a gun chasing another child in the street near a Larkspur bus stop.

The funny thing about this is.. according to the motorist, and the kid, it was the street right in front of his house. Bus stop is 70 yards from the house... Yep, 70 yrds is now "near". Thing is, the kids were fucking PLAYING. I mean my god.. if assholes like this mom and motorist were around when I was a kid, I likely would have been expelled from school 50 times over and spent my entire life behind bars for "playing". Shit.. we used to play cops and robbers in the fucking school yard. I had a gotcha gun...

http://i41.tinypic.com/2vi1lky.jpg

me and a couple kids used to play before and after school on the way to 6th grade. I can't tell you how many times I showed up to school with some of that fake paint goo stuff on my shirt or in my hair. had some stray shots too, got decked by another kid for hitting his backpack.

[Back]

I dunno man. It looks like more shady journalism designed to fuel the divisions in our country. Hate propaganda that so many people seem eager to swallow.

[Candor]

Well if this is as dangerous as it gets at Larkspur Middle School, then they just don't understand how lucky they are.

I guess things like fighting, drugs, and vandalism just don't happen at this school, given the time and effort they have devoted to this "incident". Must be nice.

[Atlanteax]

I dunno man. It looks like more shady journalism designed to fuel the divisions in our country. Hate propaganda that so many people seem eager to swallow.

Including yourself it seems.

[Sorcasaurus]

This was a dangerous situation that involved the intervention of law enforcement, the Office of Safety and Loss Control and our school administration


Police are not charging anyone in this case. They would not discuss the specifics because the people involved are juveniles.

Just because the police are called, does it count as intervention?

The principal references information not provided by the 911 phone calls or what's relayed from the involved parties in the article. Either he's overzealous (my guess) or has had other complaints prior to this incident. From what I've read/heard it seems he's taking a lot of leeway with specifics to make this happen.

[Jarvan]

Just because the police are called, does it count as intervention?

The principal references information not provided by the 911 phone calls or what's relayed from the involved parties in the article. Either he's overzealous (my guess) or has had other complaints prior to this incident. From what I've read/heard it seems he's taking a lot of leeway with specifics to make this happen.


Normally I wouldn't say this because it Stupid doesn't have a political ideology.... but it makes you wonder what this Principal's is.

[AnticorRifling]

I bet the kid TP'd the principals house last year and this is payback.

[cwolff]

Unless this "gun battle" was taking place within 20 feet of that bus stop, which so far NO ONE has said it has, then the kids either were not at the bus stop, or lying little fucks.

Go buy one of these sets of guns Back, and try to get a pellet to fly 50 yards, I dare you.

I was advised by the Virginia Beach Police Department Thursday, Sept. 12 that a passing motorist had seen a child with a gun chasing another child in the street near a Larkspur bus stop.

The funny thing about this is.. according to the motorist, and the kid, it was the street right in front of his house. Bus stop is 70 yards from the house... Yep, 70 yrds is now "near". Thing is, the kids were fucking PLAYING. I mean my god.. if assholes like this mom and motorist were around when I was a kid, I likely would have been expelled from school 50 times over and spent my entire life behind bars for "playing". Shit.. we used to play cops and robbers in the fucking school yard. I had a gotcha gun...

http://i41.tinypic.com/2vi1lky.jpg

me and a couple kids used to play before and after school on the way to 6th grade. I can't tell you how many times I showed up to school with some of that fake paint goo stuff on my shirt or in my hair. had some stray shots too, got decked by another kid for hitting his backpack.

How fucking hard is this to understand Jarvan? You keep saying that airsoft pellets don't travel 65 or 50 yards. We're not talking 50 yards we're talking 3 yards.


In one instance, a child was only 10 feet from the bus stop and ran from the shots being fired but was still hit.

[cwolff]

There is no story here. If anything the story should be about adults acting reasonably. We've had threads on here discussing kids getting kicked out of school for wearing an NRA T-shirt or chewing their pop-tarts into the shape of a gun. That is not happening here.

Someone called the cops and if you read the transcript of that call they were concerned but not irrational. They said they think the kids are just playing with toy guns but aren't sure and at least one of the kids is being aggressive enough that the caller wasn't even sure it was just play.

The cops could have arrested the kids and over reacted but they didn't. They investigated and left it alone.

The school could have expelled the kids but they didn't. They suspended them for 1 yr, allowed the kids to go to a different school w/in the district and pending no more trouble ask to go back to their regular school next semester.

There is nothing here to get so outraged over. In a nation where people get hysterical and blow matters way out of proportion and crucify kids because of some knee-jerk 0 tolerance policy, the community in this case, behaved pretty damn well.

[AnticorRifling]

Disagree.

They suspended the kids for a year. That's overreacting.

They called the cops when they knew the kids were playing. That's overreacting.

[Methais]

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1465744.1380032280!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/toygun25n-1-web.jpg

I AM AFRAID THIS IS REAL OKAY?

The ones I bought in Korea did look extremely real though. They aren't required to have an orange tip or anything there.

This picture is photoshopped. You can tell because he's holding the gun properly instead of sideways.


This isn't the government invading your rights or property. It's little shits causing trouble.

Just how much bubble wrap were you raised wrapped up inside of?


That link keeps changing as the story unfolds...

I don't know if you ever noticed, but your sig has Deion Sanders spelled wrong.

http://stevegraduates.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/the-more-you-know.png

[Jarvan]

How fucking hard is this to understand Jarvan? You keep saying that airsoft pellets don't travel 65 or 50 yards. We're not talking 50 yards we're talking 3 yards.

Hey there fucktard...

"The bus stop in question is 70 yards from the Caraballo's front yard."

Show me ONE point in any article where they said the kids were shooting AT THE BUS STOP. I think maybe it's you that needs to learn to read. The motorist said he saw the kid run out of the yard and into the street. if the house is 70 yrds from the bus stop, and the kid ran out of the yard and into the street.. Well, that is one FUCKING huge street to be yards wide. The motorist didn't say he "chased the kid to the bus stop" Which would not be IN the street, it would be down the street and on a corner.

The mom hadn't seen the kids shooting AT the bus stop either, she saw them playing in the yard.

The so called investigation the principal cites is meaningless. Frankly, it's just his word. if you ever got shot by an airsoft gun, which it is sounding more and more like you had no friends and never played with anything other then your dolls, you would know it take s a HELL of a lot to even leave a bruise.

Here is a little info..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNWsflgn8JU

At 1:51 the guy shoots a can of spam with an airsoft gun that shoots at 400 fps using co2. The guns being used by the kids were spring loaded, not co2 but according to the gun stats.. velocity 360 FPS spring airsoft. Now.. he shot the can at about maybe 4 inches away, if that. And it dented the can. Anything more then 10 feet, wouldn't even leave a mark. Please use what few braincells you likely have left to wrap your head around that a moment.

So.. please, explain to me how a kid at the bus stop says he got shot and have welts. If he wasn't participating, and there is NO RECORD of the kids shooting while AT the bus stop.


It's ok, you can take a moment to come to the realization that you are a complete fucktard.

[Shaps]

So glad I grew up when I did. We used to have BB/Pellet gun wars in the woods near our homes and all around the neighborhood. Some blood and pain, but it was fun. The parents of all the kids knew us, and you could swing by their house anytime to fill up on water/kool-aid/sandwiches and they'd just send us back out after we'd fueled up.

Try that shit today, and most people would lose their minds.

[Methais]

There is no story here. If anything the story should be about adults acting reasonably. We've had threads on here discussing kids getting kicked out of school for wearing an NRA T-shirt or chewing their pop-tarts into the shape of a gun. That is not happening here.

Someone called the cops and if you read the transcript of that call they were concerned but not irrational. They said they think the kids are just playing with toy guns but aren't sure and at least one of the kids is being aggressive enough that the caller wasn't even sure it was just play.

The cops could have arrested the kids and over reacted but they didn't. They investigated and left it alone.

The school could have expelled the kids but they didn't. They suspended them for 1 yr, allowed the kids to go to a different school w/in the district and pending no more trouble ask to go back to their regular school next semester.

There is nothing here to get so outraged over. In a nation where people get hysterical and blow matters way out of proportion and crucify kids because of some knee-jerk 0 tolerance policy, the community in this case, behaved pretty damn well.

I thought this was a satire post until I saw it was posted by you.

Are you fucking kidding me?

"Hi 911, there's kids outside playing with guns in their yard. I know they're not real guns, they're shooting at targets, and I know they're just playing. I'm still scared though."

"THEY'RE ALMOST A FOOTBALL FIELD AWAY FROM A BUS STOP! SUSPEND THEM FOR A YEAR AND PUT POSSESSION OF FIREARMS AT SCHOOL PUT ON THEIR PERMANENT RECORD!"

Seems reasonable to me.

Pussy.

[Back]

I thought this was a satire post until I saw it was posted by you.

Are you fucking kidding me?

"Hi 911, there's kids outside playing with guns in their yard. I know they're not real guns, they're shooting at targets, and I know they're just playing. I'm still scared though."

"THEY'RE ALMOST A FOOTBALL FIELD AWAY FROM A BUS STOP! SUSPEND THEM FOR A YEAR AND PUT POSSESSION OF FIREARMS AT SCHOOL PUT ON THEIR PERMANENT RECORD!"

Seems reasonable to me.

Pussy.

Wow. You haven't read the link you posted since yesterday have you?

[cwolff]

Hey there fucktard...

"The bus stop in question is 70 yards from the Caraballo's front yard."

Show me ONE point in any article where they said the kids were shooting AT THE BUS STOP. I think maybe it's you that needs to learn to read. The motorist said he saw the kid run out of the yard and into the street. if the house is 70 yrds from the bus stop, and the kid ran out of the yard and into the street.. Well, that is one FUCKING huge street to be yards wide. The motorist didn't say he "chased the kid to the bus stop" Which would not be IN the street, it would be down the street and on a corner.

Thread: 7th Graders Facing Explusion For Playing With Toy Gun In Own Yard
Airsoft pellets do not travel 65 yards you fucking stupid ass moron. - Jarvan

They shot kids within 10feet of the bus stop. 10 FEET Not 70 yards. The only way your story holds up in the face of new information is by creating a conspiracy theory.

[Methais]

So glad I grew up when I did. We used to have BB/Pellet gun wars in the woods near our homes and all around the neighborhood. Some blood and pain, but it was fun. The parents of all the kids knew us, and you could swing by their house anytime to fill up on water/kool-aid/sandwiches and they'd just send us back out after we'd fueled up.

Try that shit today, and most people would lose their minds.

And the neighbors who gave them kool aid and sandwiches would probably be charged and labeled as sex offenders.

[Methais]

Wow. You haven't read the link you posted since yesterday have you?

Oh right, because the principal that wasn't there made a statement to justify being a dickbag, and you take it as gospel while telling the rest of us we're just eating up baseless propaganda.

Nothing in any of the 911 calls or anything documented from the people that were there backed up any of the principal's verbal diarrhea.

The fact that people called 911 in the first place just shows that the world is being populated with a bunch of yous that are scared of everything, even things they know aren't happening.

[cwolff]

Oh right, because the principal that wasn't there made a statement to justify being a dickbag, and you take it as gospel while telling the rest of us we're just eating up baseless propaganda.

Nothing in any of the 911 calls or anything documented from the people that were there backed up any of the principal's verbal diarrhea.

The fact that people called 911 in the first place just shows that the world is being populated with a bunch of yous that are scared of everything, even things they know aren't happening.


"Because students were on their way to or at a school bus stop when they were struck by pellets, the school division has jurisdiction to take disciplinary actions against those students responsible for the disruption," school principal Matthew Delaney said in a statement before the hearing took place. "There is an expectation that all students should be able to travel to and from school in the safest environment possible."


Why is this so hard for you to believe? Are you actually saying that the school is lying about the events?


There is, of course, something deeply troubling about cognitive dissonance, since it suggests that we double-down on our beliefs in light of conflicting evidence. While neuroscientists have begun to decipher the anatomy of this mental flaw – you can blame your anterior cingulate cortex – I sometimes worry that the internet is making things worse.

[AnticorRifling]

Why is it so hard for you to believe the school is overreacting?

[Methais]

Why is this so hard for you to believe? Are you actually saying that the school is lying about the events?

Playing in your own yard, or even in the streets in front of your house while you're waiting on the school bus is now considered being on your way to the bus stop?

They weren't on their way to the bus stop until they saw the bus coming down the road, put their toys away, and then made their way to the bus stop.

Or are you of the mindset that a student is always on his way to the bus stop, even after getting off the bus at the end of the day, because the things he does that evening and the next morning (homework, eating, sleeping, etc.) is all in preparation for the next day of school, therefore the school has jurisdiction over them all the time?

The principal tries to make it sound like the kids playing with their toys ran up to the bus stop and emptied their clips on everyone's face while yelling GI JOE AKBAR!!!!!

Everyone is such a pussy these days, it's fucking nauseating. The first 911 caller's words illustrate that vividly.

[Back]

Oh right, because the principal that wasn't there made a statement to justify being a dickbag, and you take it as gospel while telling the rest of us we're just eating up baseless propaganda.

Nothing in any of the 911 calls or anything documented from the people that were there backed up any of the principal's verbal diarrhea.

The fact that people called 911 in the first place just shows that the world is being populated with a bunch of yous that are scared of everything, even things they know aren't happening.

It sounds like the person who feels threatened and afraid and emotional is you. That story was written poorly and tapped right into your insecurity to give you an outlet of other people to blame for ruining our god given rights and country. Look how it's played out...

First its a story about kids being suspended for playing in their front yard. Thats absurd. Anyone, I don't care what political spectrum you define yourself as, would be outraged by this story if it were the real story.

Then we find out there were two 911 calls, the second of which has the kids in the street, not on private property. Police contact principal, principal investigates because police don't know if there is a gun on the school bus. Kids at bus stop say they've been hit and have marks to back it up. This has been happening over a period of three days.

The sloppy reporting of the story is really what is outrageous.

[cwolff]

Why is it so hard for you to believe the school is overreacting?

Personally I don't like the 1 year suspension. To me that is indeed an overreaction. The problem is that schools do not have the option to operate with common sense. There are 0 tolerance policies all over the country, including the school district where this took place. Until we can eliminate these policies the school districts are walking a very fine line.

[Atlanteax]

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2013/09/25/vo-navy-yard-shooting-surveillance-fbi.cnn.html

Apparently this guy played with guns when he was 7.

[Methais]

It sounds like the person who feels threatened and afraid and emotional is you. That story was written poorly and tapped right into your insecurity to give you an outlet of other people to blame for ruining our god given rights and country. Look how it's played out...

First its a story about kids being suspended for playing in their front yard. Thats absurd. Anyone, I don't care what political spectrum you define yourself as, would be outraged by this story if it were the real story.

Then we find out there were two 911 calls, the second of which has the kids in the street, not on private property. Police contact principal, principal investigates because police don't know if there is a gun on the school bus. Kids at bus stop say they've been hit and have marks to back it up. This has been happening over a period of three days.

The sloppy reporting of the story is really what is outrageous.

Let's assume everything you believe about the story is true, including the part about the kids mercilessly mowing people down at the bus stop who weren't in on the toy gunfight. Did they deserve to get kicked out of school for a year over it, as opposed to "Hey guys, you shouldn't do that and here's why....blah blah blah....and if you guys do it again you'll be in some shit."

So yes, getting a punishment like that for something so minor kind of does fit in with your opening sentence.

It's funny because you tell us we're the ones eating up all the propaganda, yet it's people like those retarded 911 callers, the principal, and you that believe that any kid that touches a gun, whether it's real or not, is going to go shoot up their school and kill everybody, and believe that black and white zero tolerance policies are actually a good thing because a microscopic fraction of people who aren't mentally stable to begin with lose their minds and shoot up a building full of people.

What if those kids weren't actually going to school that day for <insert hypothetical reason>? Would they be considered as "on their way" to the bus stop then? How would that rule apply then?

Know what these kids should do? Get a few extension cords and play Grand Theft Auto or Call of Duty at the bus stop and see what happens. Or even 10 feet from the bus stop, with their TV turned so that the people at the bus stop can still see it. I'm sure those poor innocent children at the bus stop who just want to go to school and get an education will be traumatized out of fearing for their lives in your world.

On a side note, I found an old picture of Backlash getting ready to go outside and play:
http://familyonbikes.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/kid-in-bubble-wrap.jpg

[Shaps]

Playing in your own yard, or even in the streets in front of your house while you're waiting on the school bus is now considered being on your way to the bus stop?

They weren't on their way to the bus stop until they saw the bus coming down the road, put their toys away, and then made their way to the bus stop.

Or are you of the mindset that a student is always on his way to the bus stop, even after getting off the bus at the end of the day, because the things he does that evening and the next morning (homework, eating, sleeping, etc.) is all in preparation for the next day of school, therefore the school has jurisdiction over them all the time?

The principal tries to make it sound like the kids playing with their toys ran up to the bus stop and emptied their clips on everyone's face while yelling GI JOE AKBAR!!!!!

Everyone is such a pussy these days, it's fucking nauseating. The first 911 caller's words illustrate that vividly.

HAHAHA.. GI JOE AKBAR... HAHAHA.. that's a good one.

On a separate note. I'm going to start a campaign to outlaw all automotives. They are the largest killer of our children and loved ones every year. I want to know where the outrage is!!! From here on out we should all work to ban automotives, for the children. How we have allowed a monstrosity like this to occur for the past 50 years is absurd. We need to stop automotive makers in their tracks. Start the boycott now and save a human!

Prove my statistics wrong if you can. Also, any argument you make concerning weapons, use the same exact argument against vehicles, and you'll see they should be made illegal.

After that, I will propose legislation that requires all clothes makers to include a minimum of 2 inches of foam padding in all clothing items, to reduce bodily damage upon impact with anything (floors, walls, bats, etc.). How we allow people to fall and hurt themselves is absurd, when there is something we can do about it.

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[Jarvan]

Thread: 7th Graders Facing Explusion For Playing With Toy Gun In Own Yard
Airsoft pellets do not travel 65 yards you fucking stupid ass moron. - Jarvan

They shot kids within 10feet of the bus stop. 10 FEET Not 70 yards. The only way your story holds up in the face of new information is by creating a conspiracy theory.

Actually, can you tell me where in the link it said the kids shooting the guns were AT the bus stop? You have a principal that claims one of the kids hit was 10 ft from the bus stop. The HOUSE is 70 yards from the bus stop, the kids were playing at the house.

You Fail.

[Back]

It's funny because you tell us we're the ones eating up all the propaganda, yet it's people like those retarded 911 callers, the principal, and you that believe that any kid that touches a gun, whether it's real or not, is going to go shoot up their school and kill everybody, and believe that black and white zero tolerance policies are actually a good thing.

I've never said nor implied that these kids are going to go shoot up their school and kill everybody. The principal has not said that. The 911 caller did not say that. You are the one deciding that we have a discordant belief without anyone even saying anything close to what you think we believe. Thats all you.

It's funny how you take a 7th grade boy's explanation as gospel but are completely willing to accuse a man responsible for hundreds of children as having a political agenda to erode the freedoms of America. Actually, it's not funny. You're being an asshole.

With the frequency of mass shootings rising, and what happened at Sandy Hook, I think the principal did exactly what he should have. These kids may be an example but an example that shows that at that principal's school he is making sure the kids under his watch are safe. It is sad that we have to be this diligent, yes, but it's better than the alternative.

[AnticorRifling]

Yeah the alternative would be them growing normal lives, now they get to switch schools and deal with this media bullshit.

[cwolff]

Actually, can you tell me where in the link it said the kids shooting the guns were AT the bus stop? You have a principal that claims one of the kids hit was 10 ft from the bus stop. The HOUSE is 70 yards from the bus stop, the kids were playing at the house.

You Fail.

Like I said before your argument only holds up if there is a conspiracy. So, the question is this. Do you believe that the principal is conspiring against these kids and just making up facts in order to punish them?

STATEMENT FROM MATTHEW DELANEY, PRINCIPAL, LARKSPUR MIDDLE SCHOOL
VIRGINIA BEACH CITY PUBLIC SCHOOLS
As a school principal, student safety is my number one priority. I was advised by the Virginia Beach Police
Department Thursday, Sept. 12 that a passing motorist had seen a child with a gun chasing another child in the
street near a Larkspur bus stop. Understandably, I became concerned and looked into the matter. Since police
could not confirm whether the child got on a school bus it was imperative that I investigate the matter
thoroughly to determine if a gun had been brought on school property.
In the course of the investigation, conducted in concert with a police officer and the school division Office of
Safety and Loss Control, we identified the children who were firing pellet guns at each other and at people near
the bus stop. Several students verified that they had been hit by pellets and had the marks to support their
claims. In one instance, a child was only 10 feet from the bus stop and ran from the shots being fired but was
still hit. Another student claimed to be shot in the back while running away during a previous incident
Wednesday, Sept. 11. This child was also shot in the arm and head during Thursday’s incident. I contacted the
school division’s Office of Student Leadership and School Board Legal Counsel for guidance. Because
students were on their way to or at a school bus stop when they were struck by pellets, the school division has
jurisdiction to take disciplinary actions against those students responsible for the disruption. There is an
expectation that all students should be able to travel to and from school in the safest environment possible.
As the principal of Larkspur Middle School, I am responsible for the safety of students and will take all
appropriate actions to ensure that the students using the pellet guns are appropriately disciplined and held
responsible for their conduct. It is my sincere hope that they will learn important life lessons; the most
important being that there will be consequences when they do things that can result in harm to another person.
Given the opportunity, teachers, administrators and our entire community should always be willing to step
forward to protect one another. This was a dangerous situation that involved the intervention of law
enforcement, the Office of Safety and Loss Control and our school administration. I trust that parents and the
public will support our actions which were taken with safety in mind.

[Methais]

I've never said nor implied that these kids are going to go shoot up their school and kill everybody. The principal has not said that. The 911 caller did not say that. You are the one deciding that we have a discordant belief without anyone even saying anything close to what you think we believe. That's all you.

Actually no, that's the entire basis for this zero tolerance bullshit, which you support.


It's funny how you take a 7th grade boy's explanation as gospel but are completely willing to accuse a man responsible for hundreds of children as having a political agenda to erode the freedoms of America. Actually, it's not funny. You're being an asshole.

It's funny how you think an airsoft gun can shoot 70 yards.


With the frequency of mass shootings rising, and what happened at Sandy Hook, I think the principal did exactly what he should have. These kids may be an example but an example that shows that at that principal's school he is making sure the kids under his watch are safe. It is sad that we have to be this diligent, yes, but it's better than the alternative.

Let me guess....if overreacting and kicking these kids out of school for a year SAVES JUST ONE LIFE AT SOME UNPROVABLE AND UNDETERMINED POINT IN TIME, it's totally worth it?

Now perhaps you'd care to address the main point of my post. Here, I'll even repost it, and change it slightly so that you can't cherry pick one intentionally exaggerated phrase and focus on that as justification to ignore the actual point of the question. I'll even go the extra mile and highlight that part in red, so that even you won't be able to get confused:

Let's assume everything you believe about the story is true, including the part about the kids mercilessly mowing people down at the bus stop who weren't in on the toy gunfight. Did they deserve to get kicked out of school for a year over it, as opposed to "Hey guys, you shouldn't do that and here's why....blah blah blah....and if you guys do it again you'll be in some shit."

What say you, kind sultan of the scarf?

[AnticorRifling]

Real Gun on school property? Nope
Real Gun at the bus stop? Nope
Real Gun period? Nope

Airsoft/pellet gun? Yeah damn thems is scurry and dangerous and hurt about as bad as flicking yourself with a pencil.

How the shit do these soft skinned people have marks to show?! I've been shot point blank with pellet guns and the welt didn't last long enough to go taddle.
DANGER DANGER OVERREACTION INC!

[cwolff]

It's funny how you think an airsoft gun can shoot 70 yards.

No one here is saying any such thing. I think the confusion is that you are operating under the assumption that the school's charges are false because 1) the kids were only in their yard and 2) only shooting at kids at the bus stop. If that were the case then yes, they would not have been able to hit anyone and you'd be right.

That is not the case.

[Methais]

Real Gun on school property? Nope
Real Gun at the bus stop? Nope
Real Gun period? Nope

Airsoft/pellet gun? Yeah damn thems is scurry and dangerous and hurt about as bad as flicking yourself with a pencil.

How the shit do these soft skinned people have marks to show?! I've been shot point blank with pellet guns and the welt didn't last long enough to go taddle.
DANGER DANGER OVERREACTION INC!

Yeah, I'll believe those claims about marks and welts when they post pictures of them, which I have no doubt would have been taken in such a traumatizing terrorist act such as this.

[cwolff]

Real Gun on school property? Nope
Real Gun at the bus stop? Nope
Real Gun period? Nope

Airsoft/pellet gun? Yeah damn thems is scurry and dangerous and hurt about as bad as flicking yourself with a pencil.

How the shit do these soft skinned people have marks to show?! I've been shot point blank with pellet guns and the welt didn't last long enough to go taddle.
DANGER DANGER OVERREACTION INC!

Are you saying that there is 0 danger from airsoft pellets? Worst thing that can happen is you get little mosquito bite type of injury?

[TheEschaton]

When and where does this journey start? Does that mean anywhere between getting out of bed and arriving in homeroom they can punish people and things for making the journey anything but a magical sing-a-long full of rainbows and sprinkles?

My primary thought is simply to let the police handle this if the adults responsible aren't willing, or can't, deal with it on their own. The mother who called handled it poorly in my eyes, but my standard for what warrants police involvement isn't something I can hold people to. Simply judge them for it.

It's the jurisdiction of the police and they seem to have a very grounded stance on the matter. Don't placate inept parents and overstep the role of a school. Should they have contacted parents and or the police having learned of it? Yes, but that doesn't make the school the equivalent of Judge Dredd reigning over the students wherever they are.

You know, when I was in private, Jesuit high school, they told us the dress code applies to, during, and from school, so you better had your tie on from the minute you walked out the door. But that was ridiculous, and everyone knew it.

[cwolff]

Yeah, I'll believe those claims about marks and welts when they post pictures of them, which I have no doubt would have been taken in such a traumatizing terrorist act such as this.

In the course of the investigation, conducted in concert with a police officer and the school division Office of
Safety and Loss Control, we identified the children who were firing pellet guns at each other and at people near
the bus stop. Several students verified that they had been hit by pellets and had the marks to support their
claims. In one instance, a child was only 10 feet from the bus stop and ran from the shots being fired but was
still hit. Another student claimed to be shot in the back while running away during a previous incident
Wednesday, Sept. 11. This child was also shot in the arm and head during Thursday’s incident.

Not good enough for you? You need to see the photos to believe it?

[AnticorRifling]

Are you saying that there is 0 danger from airsoft pellets? Worst thing that can happen is you get little mosquito bite type of injury?

Are you saying anything and everything can be dangerous when misused?!

I could take a CD break it in half and cut your shit that doesn't mean CDs need banned.. I've got shoestrings, you've got a neck, shoestrings need to be banned from bus stops. How far do you want to take that retarded line of thought?

Better make pencils illegal at the bus stop and on private property.

[RichardCranium]

In the course of the investigation, conducted in concert with a police officer and the school division Office of
Safety and Loss Control, we identified the children who were firing pellet guns at each other and at people near
the bus stop. Several students verified that they had been hit by pellets and had the marks to support their
claims. In one instance, a child was only 10 feet from the bus stop and ran from the shots being fired but was
still hit. Another student claimed to be shot in the back while running away during a previous incident
Wednesday, Sept. 11. This child was also shot in the arm and head during Thursday’s incident.

Not good enough for you? You need to see the photos to believe it?

That doesn't say anything about them being at the bus stop.

[Jarvan]

Like I said before your argument only holds up if there is a conspiracy. So, the question is this. Do you believe that the principal is conspiring against these kids and just making up facts in order to punish them?

STATEMENT FROM MATTHEW DELANEY, PRINCIPAL, LARKSPUR MIDDLE SCHOOL
VIRGINIA BEACH CITY PUBLIC SCHOOLS
As a school principal, student safety is my number one priority. I was advised by the Virginia Beach Police
Department Thursday, Sept. 12 that a passing motorist had seen a child with a gun chasing another child in the
street near a Larkspur bus stop. Understandably, I became concerned and looked into the matter. Since police
could not confirm whether the child got on a school bus it was imperative that I investigate the matter
thoroughly to determine if a gun had been brought on school property.
In the course of the investigation, conducted in concert with a police officer and the school division Office of
Safety and Loss Control, we identified the children who were firing pellet guns at each other and at people near
the bus stop. Several students verified that they had been hit by pellets and had the marks to support their
claims. In one instance, a child was only 10 feet from the bus stop and ran from the shots being fired but was
still hit. Another student claimed to be shot in the back while running away during a previous incident
Wednesday, Sept. 11. This child was also shot in the arm and head during Thursday’s incident. I contacted the
school division’s Office of Student Leadership and School Board Legal Counsel for guidance. Because
students were on their way to or at a school bus stop when they were struck by pellets, the school division has
jurisdiction to take disciplinary actions against those students responsible for the disruption. There is an
expectation that all students should be able to travel to and from school in the safest environment possible.
As the principal of Larkspur Middle School, I am responsible for the safety of students and will take all
appropriate actions to ensure that the students using the pellet guns are appropriately disciplined and held
responsible for their conduct. It is my sincere hope that they will learn important life lessons; the most
important being that there will be consequences when they do things that can result in harm to another person.
Given the opportunity, teachers, administrators and our entire community should always be willing to step
forward to protect one another. This was a dangerous situation that involved the intervention of law
enforcement, the Office of Safety and Loss Control and our school administration. I trust that parents and the
public will support our actions which were taken with safety in mind.

So where are the statements from the kids, aye? Several students claimed they were hit by pellets with enough force to leave marks DAYS later? Bullshit. Everything you said it the word of the Principal only. have you heard of a kid, or the police coming forward to substantiate the claims? No, the kids in question say one thing, the principal another. Seems like you are siding with the one, and disregarding the other. Yeah, I know you will say I am doing the same thing, but face it. if these kids had been having gun battles AT the bus stop, in close enough range to leave bruises.. with fucking rubber pellets that weigh .20 grams.. there would be parents coming forward by now.

It's ok, we all know you are an idiot.

[AnticorRifling]

In the course of the investigation, conducted in concert with a police officer and the school division Office of
Safety and Loss Control, we identified the children who were firing pellet guns at each other and at people near
the bus stop. Several students verified that they had been hit by pellets and had the marks to support their
claims. In one instance, a child was only 10 feet from the bus stop and ran from the shots being fired but was
still hit. Another student claimed to be shot in the back while running away during a previous incident
Wednesday, Sept. 11. This child was also shot in the arm and head during Thursday’s incident.

Not good enough for you? You need to see the photos to believe it?

Doesn't say where those students were, they could have been playing as well and got questioned right?

The whole thing is worded like ass.

[Methais]

Another student claimed to be shot in the back while running away during a previous incident
Wednesday, Sept. 11. This child was also shot in the arm and head during Thursday’s incident.

That kid is a fucking cyborg, surviving not one, but TWO terrorist attacks, one of which happened on September 11!

http://images.wikia.com/terminator/images/archive/4/49/20100204104618!Terminator.jpg

[Back]

Let's assume everything you believe about the story is true, did they deserve to get kicked out of school for a year over it, as opposed to "Hey guys, you shouldn't do that and here's why....blah blah blah....and if you guys do it again you'll be in some shit."

All things considered from the principal's point of view I believe he did the right thing. I believe Zero Tolerance means taking zero chances when it comes to the safety of kids in light of current events. They weren't suspended for a year, they were suspended for the rest of the year with the option to go to another school then come back if they wanted. Like I said, they may be the example, but an example that states we are taking no chances where schools and kids are at stake.

[Jarvan]

Are you saying that there is 0 danger from airsoft pellets? Worst thing that can happen is you get little mosquito bite type of injury?

Lets see....

Eye and face protection
Players in the 'safe zone' between games.

The minimum safe level of gear required to participate in most games includes a pair of ANSI Z87.1 (impact-rated) goggles to protect participants' eyes. If shot from at least ten feet away by a gun with typical muzzle velocity, there will be minimal damage to other body parts. Traditional prescription glasses and sunglasses, or goggles not designed specifically for use with airsoft or paintball guns, may break or shatter upon being struck causing damage to the eye. The largest review of airsoft eye injuries found no case of loss of vision from an airsoft eye injury.[3] The same review found that only one of the 59 cases was wearing anything over their eye, in which that one patient was just wearing sunglasses as eye protection.

If shot directly into the eye, you may get wounded, but apparently no loss of vision. While I wouldn't say that is zero danger, I knew a kid in HS that was flinging playing cards into a hat, and flicked to hard, and hit a girl in the eye, it stuck in her eye and she suffered a 20% loss of vision in that eye.

So apparently, airsoft pellets are less dangerous then playing cards.


All things considered from the principal's point of view I believe he did the right thing. I believe Zero Tolerance means taking zero chances when it comes to the safety of kids in light of current events. They weren't suspended for a year, they were suspended for the rest of the year with the option to go to another school then come back if they wanted. Like I said, they may be the example, but an example that states we are taking no chances where schools and kids are at stake.

Zero tolerance means people are stupid as shit.

It's funny, we have ZERO TOLERANCE when it comes to kids in school with stuff like this, yet if you get caught DUI.. well.. here is a fine, and we take your license for 30 days.. maybe. Hit and kill someone with a car and you are a celebrity.. you get a very big scolding and told not to do it again.

Why don't people like you want to apply ZERO TOLERANCE to everything.. like how about drugs. Get caught with illegal drugs, Zero Tolerance, go to jail for a set period of time.. oh wait.. Drugs are not a bad thing, but a couple of kids playing with toy guns.. now THOSE are criminals.

[Taernath]

This thread really exploded, it's covering almost the entire newsfeed.

Anyone else annoyed they keep referring to the gun as a 'pellet gun'?

[AnticorRifling]

I'm pretty sure the crossbows we used to make out of pencils, paperclips, and rubber bands were more dangerous.

[AnticorRifling]

This thread really exploded, it's covering almost the entire newsfeed.

Anyone else annoyed they keep referring to the gun as a 'pellet gun'?

Wasn't it a pellet gun?

[Methais]

All things considered from the principal's point of view I believe he did the right thing. I believe Zero Tolerance means taking zero chances when it comes to the safety of kids in light of current events. They weren't suspended for a year, they were suspended for the rest of the year with the option to go to another school then come back if they wanted. Like I said, they may be the example, but an example that states we are taking no chances where schools and kids are at stake.

This is why everybody thinks you're stupid.

[Tgo01]

Wasn't it a pellet gun?

Pellet projectile tube.

[Back]

That this happened on 9/11 is not insignificant. Those brats picked the wrong day to bully some kids at a bus stop with realistic looking pellet guns. If the parents aren't there to keep these kids under control, let alone teach them how to behave respectfully, are we just supposed to say "oh well"?

[Taernath]

Wasn't it a pellet gun?

This is what a pellet gun fires:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/Air-gun-pellets.jpg

This is what an airsoft gun fires:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/53/Airsoft_pellets.jpg

Like a BB, you can pierce skin or kill small animals with pellets. Airsoft, not so much. You might get a welt if it was fired point blank, spring loaded airsoft are pretty weak.

[Jarvan]

That this happened on 9/11 is not insignificant. Those brats picked the wrong day to bully some kids at a bus stop with realistic looking pellet guns. If the parents aren't there to keep these kids under control, let alone teach them how to behave respectfully, are we just supposed to say "oh well"?

Not sure what world you live in, but you may want to have yourself committed so you can get help.

Apparently now out of nowhere, these kids were "bullying" the kids at the bus stop. And on 9/11 no less!! These kids should be thrown in Gitmo!!

[Methais]

That this happened on 9/11 is not insignificant. Those brats picked the wrong day to bully some kids at a bus stop with realistic looking pellet guns. If the parents aren't there to keep these kids under control, let alone teach them how to behave respectfully, are we just supposed to say "oh well"?

Please show us how these guns were realistic looking or how any bullying took place. I'm pretty sure Jarvan posted a picture of them a few pages back.

The worst part about that post is coming from you, it's difficult to tell if it's satire or not.

Props on fixing your sig I guess.

[AnticorRifling]

It is insignificant, and I don't think they were bullying. Were you never a kid? Did you not have mock wars with your friends? Did you have friends?

[Methais]

This is what a pellet gun fires:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/Air-gun-pellets.jpg

This is what an airsoft gun fires:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/53/Airsoft_pellets.jpg

Like a BB, you can pierce skin or kill small animals with pellets. Airsoft, not so much. You might get a welt if it was fired point blank, especially if it was spring loaded.

Oh yeah? How do you explain this then?

http://pencil-shavings.net/pencil-shavings/pacman.png

[Parkbandit]

This thread really exploded, it's covering almost the entire newsfeed.

Anyone else annoyed they keep referring to the gun as a 'pellet gun'?

Yes.

But it sounds more dangerous than calling what it is: an airsoft gun.

[Taernath]

Oh yeah? How do you explain this then?


Those were tabs of acid. You didn't get that reference?

[Methais]

I'm curious what would have happened if they were using Nerf rocket launchers instead.

http://www.gadgetsarefun.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/gadgets_nerf_n_strike_unity_power_system.jpg

[Tgo01]

This thread really exploded, it's covering almost the entire newsfeed.

Anyone else annoyed they keep referring to the gun as a 'pellet gun'?

Give the media some credit, they haven't referred to it as an AR Pellet gun.

Baby steps, baby steps.

[Parkbandit]

This is what a pellet gun fires:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/Air-gun-pellets.jpg

This is what an airsoft gun fires:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/53/Airsoft_pellets.jpg

Like a BB, you can pierce skin or kill small animals with pellets. Airsoft, not so much. You might get a welt if it was fired point blank, spring loaded airsoft are pretty weak.'

Oh sure.. put your pro-gun spin on this! I bet you picked yellow colored ammunition on purpose, knowing full well there is also black colored ammunition that makes it look more real!

[Taernath]

I'm curious what would have happened if they were using Nerf rocket launchers instead.

http://www.gadgetsarefun.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/gadgets_nerf_n_strike_unity_power_system.jpg

Obama would have launched a surgical strike.

[Kalishar]

That this happened on 9/11 is not insignificant. Those brats picked the wrong day to bully some kids at a bus stop with realistic looking pellet guns. If the parents aren't there to keep these kids under control, let alone teach them how to behave respectfully, are we just supposed to say "oh well"?

Not sure if trolling or...

[Methais]

'

Oh sure.. put your pro-gun spin on this! I bet you picked yellow colored ammunition on purpose, knowing full well there is also black colored ammunition that makes it look more real!

I don't know about anyone else, but I know when a gun, real or not, is shot, the first thing I notice is the color of the ammunition.

On the first day of school next year, they should go to the bus stop and do this:

http://youtu.be/1a0L3Z1A-RM?t=55s

[AnticorRifling]

This is what a pellet gun fires:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/Air-gun-pellets.jpg

This is what an airsoft gun fires:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/53/Airsoft_pellets.jpg

Like a BB, you can pierce skin or kill small animals with pellets. Airsoft, not so much. You might get a welt if it was fired point blank, spring loaded airsoft are pretty weak.

We should call it a tactical assault freedom killer airsoft terrorist baby killer.

[Back]

It is insignificant, and I don't think they were bullying. Were you never a kid? Did you not have mock wars with your friends? Did you have friends?

I'm really putting myself in the role of the principal on that day. He gets a call from the police that they got a call about a kid chasing another kid in the street with a gun and the police cannot confirm if it is a real gun or if the kid with the gun got on the bus. The principal, responsible for hundreds of children, does his job and investigates. The man deserves a medal.

As for my delinquent youth, of course, we did all kinds of stupid dangerous stuff while unsupervised. I remember walking along a water pipe thirty feet over a ravine. We explored all kinds of dangerous places with venomous snakes. We had dirt clod wars (but agreed to not throw actual rocks). We played Dancing Under Death where we stood in a circle and one guy shot an arrow straight up above us then waited for it to come back down. I was suspended for ditching in High School. Thats not the point. Kids are kids. They don't have the judgement adults have. Thats why I side with the principal.

[Taernath]

The man deserves a medal.


For doing his job?

Like, I could see getting a medal for taking several airsoft rounds to the chest in an effort to stop the wholesale slaughter at the bus stop, but not so much for that,

[AnticorRifling]

I'm really putting myself in the role of the principal on that day. He gets a call from the police that they got a call about a kid chasing another kid in the street with a gun and the police cannot confirm if it is a real gun or if the kid with the gun got on the bus. The principal, responsible for hundreds of children, does his job and investigates. The man deserves a medal.

As for my delinquent youth, of course, we did all kinds of stupid dangerous stuff while unsupervised. I remember walking along a water pipe thirty feet over a ravine. We explored all kinds of dangerous places with venomous snakes. We had dirt clod wars (but agreed to not throw actual rocks). We played Dancing Under Death where we stood in a circle and one guy shot an arrow straight up above us then waited for it to come back down. I was suspended for ditching in High School. Thats not the point. Kids are kids. They don't have the judgement adults have. Thats why I side with the principal.

A MEDAL? A MEDAL?! For suspending kids for a year for playing with toys in their own yards. A medal, you're serious?

Hopefully other principals can use good judgment.

[AnticorRifling]

For doing his job?

Like, I could see getting a medal for taking several airsoft rounds in an effort to stop the wholesale slaughter at the bus stop, but not so much for that,

I did my job wrong today, gonna need that medal, thanks.

[Tgo01]

For doing his job?

Hey YOU try receiving a phone call from the police stating they are already handling everything and see if you don't think you deserve a medal.

[AnticorRifling]

I'm already planning the parade for when he expels a kid for using a super soaker while on summer break.

[Candor]

All things considered from the principal's point of view I believe he did the right thing. I believe Zero Tolerance means taking zero chances when it comes to the safety of kids in light of current events. They weren't suspended for a year, they were suspended for the rest of the year with the option to go to another school then come back if they wanted. Like I said, they may be the example, but an example that states we are taking no chances where schools and kids are at stake.

Well heck, why stop there?

If a kid comes in with a cold and sneezes, then he probably infected other students. Suspend the sucker for a year.
If a kid is being raised with the moral philosophy that homosexuality is wrong, expel him. He has no place believing that sort of thing in the public schools - he might cause others to commit hate crimes.
If a kid attends school and wears a T-Shirt for a football team that is not the local team...detention for a month - minimum. After all, such a T-Shirt might cause a fight.

..and on and on and on...when does the craziness stop? Maybe when we stop suspending students for an entire school year for playing with *TOY* guns.

[Back]

Maybe you guys missed it but it was a second 911 call that started this. Someone in a car saw a kid chasing another kid in the street with what looked like a gun. Turns out other kids not involved were shot also. Since no parents were around to handle the situation I believe the principal did the right thing.

[RichardCranium]

Maybe you guys missed it but it was a second 911 call that started this. Someone in a car saw a kid chasing another kid in the street with what looked like a gun. Turns out other kids not involved were shot also. Since no parents were around to handle the situation I believe the principal did the right thing.

You serious Clark?

[Tgo01]

The problem is we got rid of corporal punishment in schools. The principal should have been able to show up at the bus stop and whip all those boys with guns. Then everyone could have gotten on with their lives.

[Jarvan]

Obama would have launched a surgical strike.

No, he would have used the powers he gave himself to use a drone strike to get rid of these terrorists.

[Atlanteax]

The problem is we got rid of corporal punishment in schools.

^ this.

[Taernath]

Hey YOU try receiving a phone call from the police stating they are already handling everything and see if you don't think you deserve a medal.


A MEDAL? A MEDAL?! For suspending kids for a year for playing with toys in their own yards. A medal, you're serious?

Hopefully other principals can use good judgment.

Wait, maybe Back meant one of those really shitty medals/ribbons that you get for just being there, like the Global War on Terrorism ribbon. I could see that. The 'Do What You're Supposed To, Kinda' medal.

[Jarvan]

I'm already planning the parade for when he expels a kid for using a super soaker while on summer break.

You owe me a new keyboard Sir!



Wait, maybe Back meant one of those really shitty medals/ribbons that you get for just being there, like the Global War on Terrorism ribbon. I could see that. The 'Do What You're Supposed To, Kinda' medal.

You mean a participation medal? Since he is the Principal, couldn't he just award himself one?

[Back]

I also think the reporting on this has been sloppy and a disservice to the public. I have to question the reporter and editor's motives when deciding to publish the story the way they did. Facts were omitted to present a political statement rather than true honest reporting.

[Kalishar]

I can imagine myself in this situation when I was a kid.

Me: "Hey Mom, Joey shot a bunch of us at the bus stop with his pellet gun."
Mom: "Yeah? Did you shoot him back?"
Me: "No, I don't have a pellet gun."
Mom: "Oh, well maybe next time honey."

[Tgo01]

Facts were omitted to present a political statement rather than true honest reporting.

Like referring to the gun as an AR-15 Assault Rocket Launcher gun?

[Back]

Here is the 911 call that started all of this.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=458314890950540&set=vb.299985226783508&type=2&theater

[Methais]

I'm really putting myself in the role of the principal on that day. He gets a call from the police that they got a call about a kid chasing another kid in the street with a gun and the police cannot confirm if it is a real gun or if the kid with the gun got on the bus. The principal, responsible for hundreds of children, does his job and investigates. The man deserves a medal.

As for my delinquent youth, of course, we did all kinds of stupid dangerous stuff while unsupervised. I remember walking along a water pipe thirty feet over a ravine. We explored all kinds of dangerous places with venomous snakes. We had dirt clod wars (but agreed to not throw actual rocks). We played Dancing Under Death where we stood in a circle and one guy shot an arrow straight up above us then waited for it to come back down. I was suspended for ditching in High School. Thats not the point. Kids are kids. They don't have the judgement adults have. Thats why I side with the principal.

And yet here you are, alive and healthy today and none of your friends were injured or killed.

How do you explain that when we didn't have zero tolerance policies in place when you were growing up to keep you safe?

[Tgo01]

Here is the 911 call that started all of this.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=458314890950540&set=vb.299985226783508&type=2&theater

The white kid was wearing black plaid shorts? What, if anything, can we tell about the motive based on this information?

[AnticorRifling]

Wow what a pile of shit "Hi I don't know where I am, I don't know what's going on, but there's a white kid and a black kid and I'm going to say a gun, I mean I don't know anything or anything but yeah gun let's go with that"

[Methais]

The white kid was wearing black plaid shorts? What, if anything, can we tell about the motive based on this information?

His name wasn't Franklin.

[AnticorRifling]

So I can't find where charges were filed or an arrest was made, can you link me that so I can read it please?

[Jarvan]

Here is the 911 call that started all of this.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=458314890950540&set=vb.299985226783508&type=2&theater

So let me get this strait... a "concerned citizen" can now call 911 and ruin a kids life simply because they are playing outside. Also, you can damn well tell this called is black, because only a racist would bring up the fact that the kids were white or black. This isn't like the Zimmerman 911 call, where the dispatch asked HIM what color he thought the person was, this lady started off with a black kid and white kid.

WTF is wrong with people that the first thing they think of is, OMG that kid is trying to kill the other kid. If I were to see this, I would have been like... hope those kids are having fun.

Notice she didn't mention bus stop till the end of the call, when she said she was a little past the HOUSE where she saw the kids. And the bus stop was a bit ahead of her. So the kids didn't run down to the bus stop firing the guns at the kids there, otherwise she would have seen it.

Also.. Why the Fuck doesn't she want her name released? What kind of bullshit is that? "I live in the area and I don't want the parents of the kids whose lives I am about to ruin to know that I am doing this"

Fucking asshole.

[AnticorRifling]

She didn't know where she was, she lives in the neighborhood but she doesn't know where she's at...that's the witness for me!

[Jarvan]

She didn't know where she was, she lives in the neighborhood but she doesn't know where she's at...that's the witness for me!

Much more reasonable that this woman knew the kids, and knew the parents, and wanted to get back at them.

Cause, like I said. Unless you live in crips central, you are not likely to immediately think "they are using real guns I should call the cops" in this situation.

[Taernath]

It would have been great karmic justice if she would up getting her own kid expelled too.

[Back]

It would have been great karmic justice if she would up getting her own kid expelled too.

And people seriously think my point of view is the crazy one?

Lord.

[Gelston]

The principal definitely seems to have no idea what a spring loaded air soft gun is capable of. (Nothing) Unless those kids held another kid down and shot that kid point blank in the eye, that gun can't really do shit.

Fine Back and Cwolf, the kids are completely wrong. They should have been sitting inside their house playing video games instead of playing outside. They should be expelled for the entire school year because, you know, what is the worst that can happen? These two young, impressionable kids shouldn't be in school at all!

[Taernath]

in response to your neg rep Back, Obama was in it from the beginning.

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/1231431155.jpg

[Parkbandit]

I'm really putting myself in the role of the principal on that day. He gets a call from the police that they got a call about a kid chasing another kid in the street with a gun and the police cannot confirm if it is a real gun or if the kid with the gun got on the bus. The principal, responsible for hundreds of children, does his job and investigates. The man deserves a medal.


How about a participation trophy instead.. just so we don't hurt his feelings.

[Jarvan]

And people seriously think my point of view is the crazy one?

Lord.

Maybe she was mad cause those kids wouldn't play with her kid?

[Back]

How about a participation trophy instead.. just so we don't hurt his feelings.

:rofl:

[RichardCranium]

The problem is we got rid of corporal punishment in schools. The principal should have been able to show up at the bus stop and whip all those boys with guns. Then everyone could have gotten on with their lives.

I think pistol-whipping the kids may be a bit extreme, but I see your point.

[Gelston]

I think pistol-whipping the kids may be a bit extreme, but I see your point.

If they did, they guns would probably break. They are so cheap, it is hilarious.

[Back]

You realize the pussification process is part of the problem he's talking about but you're supporting right?

"We waged war on poverty, not poor people."

Waging war on illness, not the ill. On hunger, not the hungry.

That does not sound pussy to me. And what does pussy mean to you? Weakness?

“Why do people say "grow some balls"? Balls are weak and sensitive. If you wanna be tough, grow a vagina. Those things can take a pounding” - Betty White.

[Jarvan]

"We waged war on poverty, not poor people."

Waging war on illness, not the ill. On hunger, not the hungry.

That does not sound pussy to me. And what does pussy mean to you? Weakness?

“Why do people say "grow some balls"? Balls are weak and sensitive. If you wanna be tough, grow a vagina. Those things can take a pounding” - Betty White.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJWEvP9gtww

[Tgo01]

I think pistol-whipping the kids may be a bit extreme, but I see your point.

Curse you dangling participle! Wait, was that a dangling participle?

...

Curses!

[Jeril]

That guy is saying what was done, not what people are doing today...... People don't do that any more instead they do stupid things like punishing kids unnecessarily, overreact to things and come up with stupid laws in an attempt to make the world a 'safer' place.

[Latrinsorm]

Then again, this was the 90's even. People didn't sweat the little stuff.Thondalar, is this how you remember the 90s too? That explains a lot if so.
How does a school have control of what someone does on their OWN time, on their OWN property?Children don't own houses, generally speaking.
I just want to pretend those kids are kids. We should start with that novel concept.Well excuse me for wanting to wait for all the facts to come out before jumping to conclusions. I thought this was America. My mistake.
I could take a CD break it in half and cut your shit that doesn't mean CDs need banned.. I've got shoestrings, you've got a neck, shoestrings need to be banned from bus stops. How far do you want to take that retarded line of thought?Who said Airsoft guns are banned? What's prohibited is shooting people with Airsoft guns, the same way you are absolutely prohibited from garroting people with shoestrings or any other implement. You're obsessed with the tool (heyooo) when the active ingredient is the act.
Did they deserve to get kicked out of school for a year over it, as opposed to "Hey guys, you shouldn't do that and here's why....blah blah blah....and if you guys do it again you'll be in some shit."How do you know they didn't? JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS GO!

[Jarvan]

That guy is saying what was done, not what people are doing today...... People don't do that any more instead they do stupid things like punishing kids unnecessarily, overreact to things and come up with stupid laws in an attempt to make the world a 'safer' place.

hence, how much "better" America is now cause of all the new rules.

[Methais]

"We waged war on poverty, not poor people."

Waging war on illness, not the ill. On hunger, not the hungry.

That does not sound pussy to me. And what does pussy mean to you? Weakness?

“Why do people say "grow some balls"? Balls are weak and sensitive. If you wanna be tough, grow a vagina. Those things can take a pounding” - Betty White.

You really are this stupid, aren't you?

BTW how did that war on poverty go? About like the war on drugs, right?

[Methais]

Thondalar, is this how you remember the 90s too? That explains a lot if so.Children don't own houses, generally speaking.Well excuse me for wanting to wait for all the facts to come out before jumping to conclusions. I thought this was America. My mistake.Who said Airsoft guns are banned? What's prohibited is shooting people with Airsoft guns, the same way you are absolutely prohibited from garroting people with shoestrings or any other implement. You're obsessed with the tool (heyooo) when the active ingredient is the act.How do you know they didn't? JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS GO!

Your posting gimmick has been really weak lately. You should work on that.

[Latrinsorm]

hence, how much "better" America is now cause of all the new rules.Highest GDP per capita of all time. Lowest murder rate since 1963. Lowest infant mortality since at least 1935. Federally guaranteed equal rights for an ever-evolving (see what I did there?) list of minorities.

But sometimes kids get suspended and sometimes my phone makes me pick English, won't someone PLEASE think of the children?!?!?!?!?!??!?!????

[Tgo01]

But sometimes kids get suspended and sometimes my phone makes me pick English, won't someone PLEASE think of the children?!?!?!?!?!??!?!????

Your phone doesn't "make" you do anything. Stop blaming your actions on the tools you use!

[Latrinsorm]

Your posting gimmick has been really weak lately. You should work on that.No gimmick, all lithic. No gimmick, one limerick. I'll work on it and get back to you. :yes:

Seriously though, if you can't see how you're doing exactly what you were furiously upset with Rojo for doing, I feel bad for you.

[Gelston]

No gimmick, all lithic. No gimmick, one limerick. I'll work on it and get back to you. :yes:

Seriously though, if you can't see how you're doing exactly what you were furiously upset with Rojo for doing, I feel bad for you.

This isn't like that at all. This is as ridiculous now as it was from the beginning, and the facts haven't really changed.

[Latrinsorm]

This isn't like that at all. This is as ridiculous now as it was from the beginning, and the facts haven't really changed.Tell that to the 911 caller who's still getting grief from these people, when it turns out she wasn't even the instigating 911 caller.

It's been a whole day and a half, how you're sure you've got all the facts is well beyond me.

[cwolff]

The principal definitely seems to have no idea what a spring loaded air soft gun is capable of. (Nothing) Unless those kids held another kid down and shot that kid point blank in the eye, that gun can't really do shit.

Fine Back and Cwolf, the kids are completely wrong. They should have been sitting inside their house playing video games instead of playing outside. They should be expelled for the entire school year because, you know, what is the worst that can happen? These two young, impressionable kids shouldn't be in school at all!

Who said they should be expelled? For one thing they were not expelled, they were suspended and have the chance to get back to their school in January.

I am not condoning or condemning the actions of any party involved. I do understand why the school did what it did and compared to other stories like this they were pretty even handed about it.

[Gelston]

Tell that to the 911 caller who's still getting grief from these people, when it turns out she wasn't even the instigating 911 caller.

It's been a whole day and a half, how you're sure you've got all the facts is well beyond me.

I don't care about that 911 caller or any of them. I care about the fact that the kids were expelled for a year from school for playing with airsoft guns when they weren't on school property.


Who said they should be expelled? For one thing they were not expelled, they were suspended and have the chance to get back to their school in January.

I am not condoning or condemning the actions of any party involved. I do understand why the school did what it did and compared to other stories like this they were pretty even handed about it.

Yes, they were expelled for the year with possibility of being let back in. As of now, they are expelled, however.

How were they even handed? At least with the other ones it occured on school property. This did not.

[Shaps]

I can imagine myself in this situation when I was a kid.

Me: "Hey Mom, Joey shot a bunch of us at the bus stop with his pellet gun."
Mom: "Yeah? Did you shoot him back?"
Me: "No, I don't have a pellet gun."
Mom: "Oh, well maybe next time honey."

HAHAHA.. I love it! Exactly what my mom would have said!

[Kalishar]

neg rep I recieved: "You sound like someone else who used to post here. But, neg rep. - Back"

I've only ever been Kalishar on these boards and I'm posting more now recently than I have in 10 years.

And neg rep for what? Calling you on some bullshit argument you were making like a bitch? Sure, okay, thank you I'll have another.

[Back]

neg rep I recieved: "You sound like someone else who used to post here. But, neg rep. - Back"

I've only ever been Kalishar on these boards and I'm posting more now recently than I have in 10 years.

And neg rep for what? Calling you on some bullshit argument you were making like a bitch? Sure, okay, thank you I'll have another.

Found that old email address?

As I recall your statement was... "Not sure if trolling."

Big words. Mighty big words.

Thank you though for confirming I sign my rep. Few people do.

[Gelston]

You realize "Not sure if trolling" is a fairly popular term on forums through out the internet right?

[Jarvan]

neg rep I recieved: "You sound like someone else who used to post here. But, neg rep. - Back"

I've only ever been Kalishar on these boards and I'm posting more now recently than I have in 10 years.

And neg rep for what? Calling you on some bullshit argument you were making like a bitch? Sure, okay, thank you I'll have another.

Just so you know, people neg rep you here if for pretty much anything, including if the day of the week ends in a Y, or if there is an integer in the date. 99% of them don't sign it, I have to admit, at least Back does. Tho his reps suck. Sometimes I think he forgets to change it from green to red, and others I think he just doesn't know what to say.

[Back]

You realize "Not sure if trolling" is a fairly popular term on forums through out the internet right?

What is that supposed to mean? That I should take it seriously? Please.

Grow up.

[Back]

Just so you know, people neg rep you here if for pretty much anything, including if the day of the week ends in a Y, or if there is an integer in the date. 99% of them don't sign it, I have to admit, at least Back does. Those his reps suck. Sometimes I think he forgets to change it from green to red, and others I think he just doesn't know what to say.

Thank you.

[Gelston]

What is that supposed to mean? That I should take it seriously? Please.

Grow up.

Huh? Did you neg rep him for sounding like another poster for posting "Not sure if trolling?" or not?

Either way, calm the fuck down.

[Ashlander]

Huh? Did you neg rep him for sounding like another poster for posting "Not sure if trolling?" or not?

Either way, calm the fuck down.

Don't you tell him what to do! He's an adult and can make poorly informed decisions on his own.

[Back]

Huh? Did you neg rep him for sounding like another poster for posting "Not sure if trolling?" or not?

Either way, calm the fuck down.

Way to try and raise the bar and fall flat on your face.

Who are you to tell me to "calm the fuck down"? You calm the fuck down. How do you like that?

[Tisket]

Opened this thread tonight and the first thing I see is Jarvan's new title.

lmao. Can't concentrate on anything else now.

[Jarvan]

Opened this thread tonight and the first thing I see is Jarvan's new title.

lmao. Can't concentrate on anything else now.

Isn't it hilarious Chrissy?

[AnticorRifling]

"We waged war on poverty, not poor people."

Waging war on illness, not the ill. On hunger, not the hungry.

That does not sound pussy to me. And what does pussy mean to you? Weakness?

“Why do people say "grow some balls"? Balls are weak and sensitive. If you wanna be tough, grow a vagina. Those things can take a pounding” - Betty White.

Random non related quotes are random. Now trying forming your own thoughts and putting them down, let's see where that goes.

I get that it's not cool to be a guy and you're all about being cool but seriously I hope you understand the pussification without me having to explain it.

[Warriorbird]

It's not worth thinking about it if you don't think about the duality that generated it.

[Methais]

Thank you.

I was going to award you a trophy for bravely and diligently signing your rep, but google gave me nothing.

So I got you the next best thing:

http://cdn.bernardgoldberg.com/wp-content/uploads/trophy-300x271.jpg

[Methais]

No gimmick, all lithic. No gimmick, one limerick. I'll work on it and get back to you. :yes:

Seriously though, if you can't see how you're doing exactly what you were furiously upset with Rojo for doing, I feel bad for you.

What sort of game changing information has come out since then? The principle's statement that we're apparently supposed to take as gospel, where children were ruthlessly mowed down with hollow plastic pellets that left them ever so bruised, with no visuals to back it up?

If only we had universal surveillance, we'd know everything. Right?

[Atlanteax]

Anyone else at a lost as to why Back insists on continuing to dig a hole for himself in this thread?

[Methais]

Anyone else at a lost as to why Back insists on continuing to dig a hole for himself in this thread?

No, but only because we're used to it and have come to expect it.

[Ashlander]

No, but only because we're used to it and have come to expect it.

The best part will be when he posts how he was trolling all of us and wow did we fall for it.

[Tisket]

Thread: Respond to Reputation Comments
you're a dumb slut - and a loser, jesus christ at 11k posts almost - get laid or get a dildo -Jarvan

Although I own a dildo, it doesn't get much use because I get laid all the time.

Thanks for your concern though.

And seriously, how much effort do you use to post that you think 10k posts in nine years interferes with my life in any way? Do you obsess so much over your own posts that you believe others do as well?

Regardless, you owned the words in that rep comment so you're cool in my book.

[Tisket]

Oh shoot, wrong thread.

[Tgo01]

I wouldn't put too much faith in signed reps lately, apparently there is someone(s) signing other people's names to their reps.

[Tisket]

Nah, that one just smells like Jarvan. The name was incidental.

[Methais]

Thread: Respond to Reputation Comments
you're a dumb slut - and a loser, jesus christ at 11k posts almost - get laid or get a dildo -Jarvan

Although I own a dildo, it doesn't get much use because I get laid all the time.

Thanks for your concern though.

And seriously, how much effort do you use to post that you think 10k posts in nine years interferes with my life in any way? Do you obsess so much over your own posts that you believe others do as well?

Regardless, you owned the words in that rep comment so you're cool in my book.

I got one like that not long ago, minus the dildo...



Thread: RCTF made me a warmage... using an impure coraesine THW

16,000 posts, and I think that's just today. Get a life, sir. You'll be happier.

Just out of curiosity (since the posts per day thing seems to have disappeared or moved from user profiles)

Join date: May 2003

Which was 126 months ago

30 days (average) in a month: 3780 days

16000 / 3780 = 4.23 posts per day average

http://images.wikia.com/uncyclopedia/images/a/af/Oh_noes_fire.jpg

[Jarvan]

Oh shoot, wrong thread.

Yeah.. wasn't me. I just pos repped you. Like.. 2 min ago. So it really wasn't me. Tho I do sign my rep most of the time.

I got a signed rep today to, that as it turns out, prob wasn't who signed it. So I would pretty much take anything with a grain of salt at this point.

[Methais]

Yeah.. wasn't me. I just pos repped you. Like.. 2 min ago. So it really wasn't me. Tho I do sign my rep most of the time.

I got a signed rep today to, that as it turns out, prob wasn't who signed it. So I would pretty much take anything with a grain of salt at this point.

Isn't repping someone pretending to be someone else bannable?

Or is that just "normal" posting pretending to be someone else?

[Tisket]

Thread: 7th Graders Facing Explusion For Playing With Toy Gun In Own Yard (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?85822-7th-Graders-Facing-Explusion-For-Playing-With-Toy-Gun-In-Own-Yard&p=1593813#post1593813)
lol, he warned me to not ask for a title. Got to say tho, it could have been worse. - Jarvan

Well TGo01 was right apparently. Glad I tagged you back with green rep.

[Tgo01]

I got one like that not long ago, minus the dildo...



Just out of curiosity (since the posts per day thing seems to have disappeared or moved from user profiles)

Join date: May 2003

Which was 126 months ago

30 days (average) in a month: 3780 days

16000 / 3780 = 4.23 posts per day average

http://images.wikia.com/uncyclopedia/images/a/af/Oh_noes_fire.jpg

It's under the "about me" in your profile now, and you're up to 4.36 posts per day, you loser!

Although I'm at twice that so I guess that makes me king of the losers :(

Oh wait. I guess that makes me king of the losers :)


Well TGo01 was right apparently.

Don't sound so surprised :(

[Tisket]

I got one like that not long ago, minus the dildo...



Just out of curiosity (since the posts per day thing seems to have disappeared or moved from user profiles)

Join date: May 2003

Which was 126 months ago

30 days (average) in a month: 3780 days

16000 / 3780 = 4.23 posts per day average

http://images.wikia.com/uncyclopedia/images/a/af/Oh_noes_fire.jpg

I think mine averages out to something like 3 a day.

You are more a whore than me!

[Jarvan]

Thread: 7th Graders Facing Explusion For Playing With Toy Gun In Own Yard (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?85822-7th-Graders-Facing-Explusion-For-Playing-With-Toy-Gun-In-Own-Yard&p=1593813#post1593813)
lol, he warned me to not ask for a title. Got to say tho, it could have been worse. - Jarvan

Well TGo01 was right apparently. Glad I tagged you back with green rep.

Besides, I Wouldn't call you a SLUT. That word is to overused. I'd prob go old school with harlot or strumpet. We really need to bring back the class to insulting, don't ya think? ( Tho really I don't even consider you a slut, maybe when you hit 5-6 GS guys fucked, then you reach slut status)

Wow..

Total Posts

Total Posts
3,459

Posts Per Day
1.77

I am like a born again virgin then compared to you people.

[diethx]

Isn't repping someone pretending to be someone else bannable?

Yes.

[Tisket]

Yes.

Since when? Has anyone been banned for this?

Honestly, I think that would be kinda lame.

[Tgo01]

Since when? Has anyone been banned for this?

Honestly, I think that would be kinda lame.

I think that's what finally got IW banned.

[diethx]

Since when? Has anyone been banned for this?

Honestly, I think that would be kinda lame.


I think that's what finally got IW banned.

Yep. He signed a rep as me, I told AR, boom banned.

[Tisket]

Well, anyone who gets a neg rep comment signed by me can ask me if it's actually from me. I don't hand them out very often.

[Latrinsorm]

What sort of game changing information has come out since then? The principle's statement that we're apparently supposed to take as gospel, where children were ruthlessly mowed down with hollow plastic pellets that left them ever so bruised, with no visuals to back it up?For starters, you don't feel bad about blaming this on the (what turned out to be first) 911 caller when it turned out she wasn't even the cause for the investigation?
If only we had universal surveillance, we'd know everything. Right?No no, not at all. The government would know everything, and we could politely ask them about it. Doesn't that sound wonderful?