John Kerry Says Gun Laws Keeping Foreigners Out

[ClydeR]

(CNN) – Students in other countries assessing where to study abroad are increasingly scared of coming to the United States because of gun violence, the nation's top diplomat said Monday.

More... (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/15/kerry-foreign-students-scared-of-guns-in-u-s/)

Is Kerry saying that the law is working as intended?

[Atlanteax]

I'd say so!

[crb]

This is stupid. John Kerry has obviously never visited a college campus.

[Tgo01]

And to think, Democrats thought this man would have done a better job than Bush.

[Bobmuhthol]

This is stupid. John Kerry has obviously never visited a college campus.He said that there are fewer students from Japan studying in the United States as a result of fear, and your response is, "John Kerry has obviously never visited a college campus"? What?

[Tgo01]

That actually tells you a lot.

Exactly.

[Jarvan]

This is stupid. John Kerry has obviously never visited a college campus.

It's kind of telling that the only country he stated specifically is Japan.


He said that there are fewer students from Japan studying in the United States as a result of fear, and your response is, "John Kerry has obviously never visited a college campus"? What?

As it appears later int he article that they are sending students to all countries less, not just the US, I am not sure how he knows it's fear of guns. Did he conduct a survey? If Japan is sending less kids to school outside of their country overall, how exactly can he point at one thing. Remember, this was all due to.. "and one of the responses I got from our officials from conversations with parents here is that they're actually scared. They think they're not safe in the United States and so they don't come," Kerry said. So it's a response, he got from an official from conversations with parents that are here... so this is what, third hand information?

Top 5 countries for students coming here seem to be China, India, South Korea, Canada and Taiwan.

Lets see.. China is just as restrictive as Japan, and China is sending even more kids.

I don't know.. I really don't think any of these kids would be thinking.. Hmm.. I better not go to the US, People there own Guns!

[Candor]

And to think, Democrats thought this man would have done a better job than Bush.

Yeah but given a choice, I would have preferred Kerry over Obama.

[Warriorbird]

Exactly.

Pretty much. Bush must've really been awful if we preferred Kerry to him.

[Jarvan]

Pretty much. Bush must've really been awful if we preferred Kerry to him.

Well.. that's not saying much. It's like having a choice between a surgeon who just had a malpractice suit against him (Bush) or the surgeon who isn't exactly sure where your kidney is in the first place (Kerry).

[Tgo01]

Pretty much. Bush must've really been awful if we preferred Kerry to him.

Oh, I thought you were insinuating that those Democrats were just idiots. My mistake.

[Warriorbird]

Oh, I thought you were insinuating that those Democrats were just idiots. My mistake.

A person suggesting that a vote for John Kerry made somebody more of an idiot than a vote for George Bush would be pretty funny.

[Tgo01]

A person suggesting that a vote for John Kerry made somebody more of an idiot than a vote for George Bush would be pretty funny.

Yes yes, I forget what a wonderful politician John Kerry is and what an awesome campaign he ran.

[Jarvan]

A person suggesting that a vote for John Kerry made somebody more of an idiot than a vote for George Bush would be pretty funny.

Would you say that a vote for Romney made a person more of an idiot then if they voted for Obama? Or that voting for any person for president makes you an idiot because they all suck?

[Warriorbird]

Would you say that a vote for Romney made a person more of an idiot then if they voted for Obama? Or that voting for any person for president makes you an idiot because they all suck?

I'd put Bush more on the Palin level than the Romney level. He made about one good decision and his party repudiated him for it.

[Jarvan]

I'd put Bush more on the Palin level than the Romney level. He made about one good decision and his party repudiated him for it.

Kinda like Obamacare and how even the people that voted for it are picking it apart now? Gotcha.

[Warriorbird]

Kinda like Obamacare and how even the people that voted for it are picking it apart now? Gotcha.

Only Republicans are completely unable to see that Obama has done other things because they continue to be stuck in a pure election mindset. You end up with not much when your speaker announces that his only priority is to make somebody a "one term President."

[TheEschaton]

Yes yes, I forget what a wonderful politician John Kerry is and what an awesome campaign he ran.

Pretty sure the thing that sunk John Kerry (and remember, he lost Ohio, and that lost him the PResidency) were false attacks on his honor by the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, and some other asinine accusation of Kerry being a flip-flopper, as if ever changing your mind on an issue was a negative characteristic for a politician.

The largest negative of Kerry is his long-windedness and his patrician, blue blood perspective on the world.

[Tgo01]

and some other asinine accusation of Kerry being a flip-flopper, as if ever changing your mind on an issue was a negative characteristic for a politician.

Come on man. It's one thing to have an opinion when you're 20 then 10 years later after you've grown up a bit to change your mind, but this man flip flopped on issues a couple of years apart, sometimes as little as a few months apart. The guy constantly had his foot in his mouth.

Yes, it's great when a president can "evolve" on issues but I don't see anything wrong with a consistent leader as opposed to a leader who is going to change his mind depending on which group of people he feels like appeasing that day.

[TheEschaton]

What were those issues again? I was in Africa at the time of the campaign, and I couldn't really keep track of the daily nuances of that campaign, but hte broad strokes seemed to be fairly ridiculous.

[Warriorbird]

Come on man. It's one thing to have an opinion when you're 20 then 10 years later after you've grown up a bit to change your mind, but this man flip flopped on issues a couple of years apart, sometimes as little as a few months apart. The guy constantly had his foot in his mouth.

Yes, it's great when a president can "evolve" on issues but I don't see anything wrong with a consistent leader as opposed to a leader who is going to change his mind depending on which group of people he feels like appeasing that day.

Wow. Doesn't sound much different than Mitt Romney.

[Androidpk]

The only thing I remember about Kerry's campaign is the swift boat stuff.

[Tgo01]

Wow. Doesn't sound much different than Mitt Romney.

Hey look at that, I didn't vote for Romney either!

[Tgo01]

What were those issues again? I was in Africa at the time of the campaign, and I couldn't really keep track of the daily nuances of that campaign, but hte broad strokes seemed to be fairly ridiculous.

Here's a list of his top ten flip flopping issues. (http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-250_162-646435.html)

The first one on the list has him changing positions three times in the span of a year. The second one on the list has him flip flopping a month apart, with the famous explanation of "I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it."

[Warriorbird]

Hey look at that, I didn't vote for Romney either!

Oh right. You don't actually participate in the political process.

[Tgo01]

Oh right. You don't actually participate in the political process.

Yup. Makes it easier not having to defend a shitty politician 9 years later just because I voted for him.

[Warriorbird]

Yup. Makes it easier not having to defend a shitty politician 9 years later just because I voted for him.

But you will try to resuscitate a shitty President four years later. Got it.

[TheEschaton]

That is the weakest list of 10 flip flops I've ever seen. Supporting one war against a country but not supporting a war against the same country 10 years earlier? Supporting a war given specific reasons, then not supporting it when said reasons turned out false? Supporting funding of the troops but not the way it was funded?

The rest don't even bear mentioning, lol.

[Tgo01]

But you will try to resuscitate a shitty President four years later. Got it.

Just remember, Jesus loves you!

[Tgo01]

Supporting funding of the troops but not the way it was funded?

"I support the troops! As long as it's funded in a way that -I- agree with!"

Sounds much better that way.

[Warriorbird]

Just remember, Jesus loves you!

I do. He loves me so much that you have to declare stuff you don't believe to fit in with your party.

[crb]

He said that there are fewer students from Japan studying in the United States as a result of fear, and your response is, "John Kerry has obviously never visited a college campus"? What?



(CNN) – Students in other countries assessing where to study abroad are increasingly scared of coming to the United States because of gun violence, the nation's top diplomat said Monday.

Do I look like someone who gives enough of a fuck to actually click a Clyder link?

I tell you what, I read an article the other day stating the number of Chinese undergrads admitted to MSU has gone up more than 1000% in 6 years.

[Bobmuhthol]

To be fair, no one accused Chinese students of feeling threatened. The number of admitted students is way up just about everywhere. Half of my class is from China.

[Candor]

The only thing I remember about Kerry's campaign is the swift boat stuff.

Yeah and the commercial with the tank.

Wait...that was Mondale. Rejected liberals seem so alike after awhile...

[TheEschaton]

The commercial with the tank was Dukakis, geez. First election my parents could vote in.

[Latrinsorm]

Lets see.. China is just as restrictive as Japan, and China is sending even more kids.You lost me there. Surely Japan is a much, much, much, much nicer place to live than China, no?
I don't know.. I really don't think any of these kids would be thinking.. Hmm.. I better not go to the US, People there own Guns!I think you underestimate just how much more gun crime we have relative to Japan especially or really any country in that region. Even putting aside the raw facts, think of what your reaction would be if your hypothetical child said they wanted to study abroad in Israel.

[Gelston]

You lost me there. Surely Japan is a much, much, much, much nicer place to live than China, no?I think you underestimate just how much more gun crime we have relative to Japan especially or really any country in that region. Even putting aside the raw facts, think of what your reaction would be if your hypothetical child said they wanted to study abroad in Israel.

I WOULD NOT LET MY CHILD BE TAUGHT BY A BUNCH OF JESUS KILLERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Latrinsorm]

The Romans never conquered China! They never even got past India!

[Candor]

The commercial with the tank was Dukakis, geez. First election my parents could vote in.

Oh yeah, right. Like I said, defeated liberals just all seem to blend after awhile....

I am *not* that old. I am not! Now put my She-Ra tape in the VCR and get me my prune juice!

[TheEschaton]

Except Mondale was a less recent candidate than Dukakis. :P

[Jarvan]

Only Republicans are completely unable to see that Obama has done other things because they continue to be stuck in a pure election mindset. You end up with not much when your speaker announces that his only priority is to make somebody a "one term President."

Pure Election mindset.. like the fact that the guy has never stopped campaigning? Or how he has recently said his current goal is to defeat the republicans in 2014? All Obama knows how to do is campaign and fund raise. Nearly all the speeches he makes is a campaign speech, designed to demigog, and gin up anger against the right. Look at immigration, he demanded that congress work fast on it, or he would do it himself by going around them. That's not how our system works. You would think a constitutional lawyer would know this.


You lost me there. Surely Japan is a much, much, much, much nicer place to live than China, no?I think you underestimate just how much more gun crime we have relative to Japan especially or really any country in that region. Even putting aside the raw facts, think of what your reaction would be if your hypothetical child said they wanted to study abroad in Israel.

I am sure Japan is much nicer to live in as well. But my point is using one country's decline in students (which are sending less to every country, not just ours) does not equal students being afraid to come here.

I know how much more gun crime we have compared to Japan. An insane amount more. Also, Japan's capture and conviction rate is much much much higher then here. So I personally think that has a lot to do with it. Also, Japan's crime rate is lower in general. As for studying in Israel, why not use Iran, or Afghanistan. I am just saying, I seriously doubt that fear of being shot and killed is the reason they don't come to the US. MAYBE why they wouldn't go to college in Iran or Afghanistan.

[Warriorbird]

Pure Election mindset.. like the fact that the guy has never stopped campaigning? Or how he has recently said his current goal is to defeat the republicans in 2014? All Obama knows how to do is campaign and fund raise. Nearly all the speeches he makes is a campaign speech, designed to demigog, and gin up anger against the right. Look at immigration, he demanded that congress work fast on it, or he would do it himself by going around them. That's not how our system works. You would think a constitutional lawyer would know this.


And? Attacking Obama doesn't make it not a really stupid way to run Congress.

[Jarvan]

And? Attacking Obama doesn't make it not a really stupid way to run Congress.

And Reid refusing to bring any bill by Republicans in the House up for a vote in the Senate is a good way to run the Senate?

Face it WB, both parties suck ass these days. Their idea of compromise is do what I want, but I won't budge on what you want.

[Warriorbird]

And Reid refusing to bring any bill by Republicans in the House up for a vote in the Senate is a good way to run the Senate?

Face it WB, both parties suck ass these days. Their idea of compromise is do what I want, but I won't budge on what you want.

Did I specify a party? That aside, the Speaker has a lot more power than the Majority Leader (Barring Lyndon Johnson, who was the biggest BAMF Majority Leader ever.)

Newt defined the misuse of the Speakership for all parties. The Democrats aren't nearly as focused or successful at messing things up as the Republicans are, however.

[Jarvan]

Did I specify a party? That aside, the Speaker has a lot more power than the Majority Leader (Barring Lyndon Johnson, who was the biggest BAMF Majority Leader ever.)

Newt defined the misuse of the Speakership for all parties. The Democrats aren't nearly as focused or successful at messing things up as the Republicans are, however.

How many budgets did the Senate pass recently?

I don't know, I think the Dems are just as good at fucking things up as republicans. The main difference is, we hear it every time the republican held house does something against Dem wishes, we don't really hear it when the Dems refuse to bring a bill to the floor.

[Warriorbird]

How many budgets did the Senate pass recently?

I don't know, I think the Dems are just as good at fucking things up as republicans. The main difference is, we hear it every time the republican held house does something against Dem wishes, we don't really hear it when the Dems refuse to bring a bill to the floor.

You must not pay much attention to the conservative media except when you use it to get talking points from.

[Jarvan]

You must not pay much attention to the conservative media except when you use it to get talking points from.

Don't really listen to the news anymore, except some local stuff. But it begs a question, how much do you listen to the conservative news since apparently you know how often they talk about it.