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Parkbandit
06-07-2012, 01:54 PM
Bill Clinton (http://www.politico.com/tag/billclinton)’s off-message musings in recent days on Mitt Romney (http://www.politico.com/tag/mittromney), taxes and the state of the economy prompted a series of urgent and agitated calls between senior aides to both Clinton and President Barack Obama.
In the past, these kinds of complaints have often prompted Clinton lieutenants to kindly suggest that the Obama (http://www.politico.com/tag/barackobama) team can go to hell: a former president can, should and will say what he wants.
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Clinton: Not Obama employee
Clinton: Bain record ‘sterling’

This time was different: Clinton’s team was as aghast as Obama’s at how the boss had wandered blithely into remarks that left even sympathetic listeners wondering what exactly he was getting at. He also gave gleeful Republicans (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0612/76960.html) an opening to skewer Obama with a popular Democrat’s own words.
(Also on POLITICO: Clinton's 2012 track record (http://www.politico.com/p/pages/bill-clinton))
Clinton, in a ritual that would be familiar to anyone who has worked for him during the past 20 years, protested that his words were being wrested from context and blamed a manipulative news media for stirring up trouble to satisfy its own lust for chaos and conflict.
But his own team, and eventually Clinton himself, agreed there was no choice but to issue embarrassing what-the-former-president-meant-to-say (http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/06/clinton-revises-and-extends-125383.html)clarifications, which were crafted in close consultation with senior Obama aides at the White House and campaign headquarters in Chicago, according to people involved in the negotiations.
(PHOTOS: Bill Clinton’s career (http://www.politico.com/gallery/2012/06/photos-bill-clinton/000187-002215.html))
The clarifications did little to quiet the political speculation industry’s preoccupation with what Clinton was really up to: Trying to send a brushback pitch of some kind to Obama? Trying to win personal favor among Wall Street Republicans? Or perhaps engaged in some carom-shot calculation to help Hillary Clinton if she runs for president in 2016.
The genuine explanation, say people close to Clinton, is the same one that usually is the case: He was simply saying what he really thought, but in fuzzy, free-associating language almost guaranteed to produce controversy.
This was a habit that Clinton usually learned to control as president. But the circumstances now are much different.
Clinton, say associates, while mentally sharp, is older and a step off his political game, less attuned to the need for clarity and message-discipline during interviews.
“He’s 65 years old,” said one adviser, explaining how Clinton in a CNBC interview managed to say that the economy was in recession when it is not.
At the same time, aides had to read Clinton’s comments on CNBC several times about the right timing for repealing the Bush tax cuts for top earners before they could fashion a response to reporters and the upset Obama team about what he was getting at.
Clinton said delaying any changes in the Bush tax cuts was “probably the best thing to do right now,” since there’s no real chance of a larger-scale fiscal reform deal until 2013. That was easily — if inaccurately — taken as an endorsement of the Republican position on taxes. Instead, Clinton believes that the tax cuts should be allowed to lapse over the long term.




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I have no idea what this is going to look like when I hit the Submit button.. but whatever...

I love how they are blaming what he said about Romney, taxes and Obama as "old age".

Latrinsorm
06-07-2012, 02:18 PM
The trick is to turn off the wysiwyg editor and go with basic. It stops trying to help you by changing all your fonts and tags. The less intervention a post editor has the more successful individual posts are. Free market.

Androidpk
06-07-2012, 02:26 PM
I like a Clinton a little bit more now.

Suppa Hobbit Mage
06-07-2012, 02:28 PM
I think Clinton is just a little more center than Obama is all, and frankly he's probably also got a little bit of an axe to grind about all the negative shit Obama slung his way during the 2008 primaries.

Parkbandit
06-07-2012, 02:51 PM
The trick is to turn off the wysiwyg editor and go with basic. It stops trying to help you by changing all your fonts and tags. The less intervention a post editor has the more successful individual posts are. Free market.

Yea. It actually included the two video links in the preview.. but then once it was posted, they never made it through.

Parkbandit
06-07-2012, 02:54 PM
I think Clinton is just a little more center than Obama is all, and frankly he's probably also got a little bit of an axe to grind about all the negative shit Obama slung his way during the 2008 primaries.

Yea.. there's plenty of theories of why Clinton went off message. Payback for 2008.. creating distance for Hillary from Obama for 2016... OMG he's so old he has no idea what he is talking about... it's simply how he feels...

Mighty Nikkisaurus
06-07-2012, 03:07 PM
I'll likely vote for Obama again, but I dunno, I don't see Romney as some threat (as in, a threat as a President. He was Governor of MA and this state is liberal as fuck, it's thanks to him I have healthcare, etc. I was a lot more bothered by chuckle fuck president contenders who were like "hurr durr I hate Massachusetts and fuck every other blue state!1") unless he picks some batshit crazy VP (coincidentally, this was how I felt about McCain up until Sarah Palin got the VP nod)... so I'm largely just amused as shit at this whole thing.

Maybe Bill and Hilary got in a fight and he's fucking with her career as secretary of state?

Maybe Bill is trying to distance him and Hilary from Obama for 2016?

Maybe Bill just fucking hates Obama?

Either way it's lulzy as hell.

Androidpk
06-07-2012, 03:18 PM
It's no surprise he doesn't think highly of Obama, this isn't the first time he has said something against him.

TheEschaton
06-07-2012, 04:13 PM
I think there's a secret hatred between Hillary and Obama that seethes under the surface, and Bill is just not good at keeping secrets. (LOL)

Carl Spackler
06-07-2012, 04:30 PM
I think there's a secret hatred between Hillary and Obama that seethes under the surface, and Bill is just not good at keeping secrets. (LOL)

Agreed. Although I don't think it's bill being bad at keeping secrets, I think it's Bill intentionally shitting on Obama's campaign.

Atlanteax
06-07-2012, 04:34 PM
They may figure that if Obama loses, and Mitt wins, it'll be 'easier' for her to campaign and win in 2016 ... since Mitt would be presiding over a continued downturn for the most part ... and so it would be 'easier' to defeat a sitting Republican than try to continue a Democrat presidency.