The touch of Zelia...

[Weedmage Princess]

Heh then I guess I'm giving Vishra's player too much credit CT, cause I would have thought she would have not felt the need to switch up the genders back and forth like that.

Why do people have such a hard time sticking by the rules given to us?

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Vishra
I happen to think I'm very skilled with it. Not only does everyone automatically know that Vishra is trans, but most of the town refers to her as a "she".

I don't think there's another way of RPing her that would be more, or even equally, effective.

Even if I said it was an ACT abuse (and I am most certainly not), I STILL think it's far more important to have a very well RP'd character than to worry about tiny mechanics abuses (again, I don't actually think it's a mechanics abuse).

There is definitely a far better way to portray what you're trying to get across. It will require consistent and skillful roleplaying, and finesse...but, it can most assuredly be done. Yep. It can be done.

HarmNone

[CrystalTears]

Holy crotch-hiders, Batman! I think HarmNone solved it!

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Weedmage Princess
Heh then I guess I'm giving Vishra's player too much credit CT, cause I would have thought she would have not felt the need to switch up the genders back and forth like that.

Why do people have such a hard time sticking by the rules given to us?

I try not to be this blunt, unless I find I must be. In this case, I feel it is warranted to be bloody damned blunt.

You are absolutely correct, Weedie. You have overestimated the player of Vishra. Sorry, but what I see is someone who feels she has an exclusive handle on gender identity in the modern world trying to showcase this vast fund of knowledge with lazy, sloppy roleplaying.

That's it, in a nutshell.

HarmNone done said what she thinks :yes:

[Sean]

Listen kiddo. Sorry I just said that so I could be condescending, now onto my real point.

I've accepted your arguement for awhile now, I may not agree but I have accepted it. My issue is with the inaccuracte appearance in relation to what the game is telling us and what you are telling us via the ACT . It's impossible to expect you never to never use a game programmed verb which as determined your gender for you. Which is why I think it makes no sense for you to approach the task in the manner you are. Lets take the following example..


You see Vishra the XXXXX.
He appears to be a XXXXX.

Okay the game is telling us you selected your sex as Male. And based on that you selected various attributes which may or may not support your case that your character as male in sex but feminine in gender.

Okay your out of the roller, time to RP!

act walks slowly into the room, hips sashaying from side to side as he enters

(Vishra walks slowly into the room, hips sashaying from side to side as he enters.)

or..

act walks slowly into the room, hips sashaying from side to side as she enters

(Visha walks slowly into the room, hips sashaying from side to side as she enters.)

Once we accept the limitations of the mechanics of the game and recognize that the characters saw this and possibly looked at you to determine your sex. The player now has to react to the act verb if they so chose. So whats the difference between them? In the 1st, I'm assuming that the player and thereby the character accept that I'm (the character) male in sex and that the act itself is qualifying my gender. The walking or the change of gender does not change the fact that the reality of the situation is that I'm a man. Heres another example...

act stands up, staightens his blouse, and proceeds to put on a pair of ruby red high heels.

(Vishra stands up, staightens his blouse, and proceeds to put on a pair of ruby red high heels.)

Is not the gender of this act female. As people associate wearing blouses and high heels as a female quality, so the action itself is inherently female in gender. Which the subject, Vishra, remains a male in sex. Does this become anymore powerful when you bend the rules to change the his to a her?

What I think it comes down to is where do you draw the line? Your imposing what your character thinks on the viewer. Your claiming that this is a dynamic condition as opposed to 99.9% of the other characters being static. But what else can be dynamic then? In vesi's example of the hairbrush where the physicality of the hairbrush is blue. But maybe her character is colorblind and believes it to be red. Shes imposing what her character thinks and wants you to think, that the brush is red. Is she incorrect in doing that simply because isn't related to gender? What else has reassignable values based on what our characters feel to be true? What about those items that are definitly not reassignable? Lets take my name for example. Lets say I play a character with split personalities. Tijay and Yajit. It's my responsibility as the player to RP this character in such a way that the other players and through them their characters understand that I have split personalities. I can't change that using the act verb? Why not? Because on some level they have to accept that the physical being performing the act is Tijay and that the actions themselves define which personalitity it is.



[Edited on 7-6-2004 by Tijay]

[Vesi]

My hairbrush example that I wanted answered with a simple yes or no got a six paragraph response instead.

You obviously didn't read/comprehend what I was saying kiddo. Go back and try again. If it's too much for you to simply answer yes or no, then I understand. Are test instructions this hard for you also?

The anti-Vesi

[CrystalTears]

Hey Vishra, good luck getting Simu to change Gemstone to mechanically portray transgender characters. This is a FAMILY game, still.

Aside from the regular adults who don't give one iota what kind of character you play, when it comes to sexual deviations, Simu won't promote this aspect because parents don't necessarily expect their child to come away from a medieval/renaissance online game to ask why someone is male but playing a female.

There are other games to get that type of backup, and Simu will never be one of them.

Do you really want tolerance? How about you begin with baby steps by compromising and not abuse the ACT with using SHE and everyone will adore and love your character for who she is. Hmm? Ya think?

And you STILL haven't answered my question of whether it's alright to roleplay that someone sincerely believes that they are a kobold through the means of using ACT.

[Edited on 7/6/2004 by CrystalTears]

[Sean]

On a side note, if Vishra were to find himself being married off what Gender and Sex would his companion be?

[Edited on 7-6-2004 by Tijay]

[Vesi]

Gee... Tijay beat me with my kiddo remark this time!

Also, what Tijay said.

Vesi

[CrystalTears]

OMG Tijay! My brain! It's oozing out of my ears! Stop it! :cry:

[Vesi]

Originally posted by Tijay
On a side note, if Vishra were to find himself being married off what Gender and Sex would his companion be?

[Edited on 7-6-2004 by Tijay]

Heh. And on that note I am going to bed. Tune in tomorrow for 'As the Hairbrush Turns'.

Vesi

[Sean]

After Shalla's post about the hairbrush I'm not sure we should use the words Bed and Turns in the same sentence as Hairbrush.

[CrystalTears]

:rofl: :lol2:

[HarmNone]

Yeah, Tijay. That bed/hairbrush/turns combo gave me some really wild visuals!:scared:

HarmNone may not sleep at all tonight

[Sean]

Well if thats what your thinking about, I think we all know why you aren't getting any sleep HN.

[HarmNone]

It's your fault...and Vesi and Shalla's!:club:

HarmNone is thinking about destroying all her hairbrushes

[Sean]

Sorry HN your smiley is definitly indicating an aggressive quality that is generally associated with being masucline. Therefore although you are a woman in sexuality you are currently taking the form of a man in gender. Therfore it should read...

HarmNone is thinking about destroying all his hairbrushes

[HarmNone]

Gah! My gender identity is trashed! I'll have to fix it with a strategically placed ACT command!

*HarmNone, the totally confused shemale, removes his/her hairbrush from his/her purse and uses it to fluff out his/her beard. Deciding that it is making his/her purse too heavy, s/he carefully places it just inside the drawstring waist of his/her loincloth.

There! I feel ever so much more identified now.:rah:

[Nieninque]

Originally posted by Vishra
I happen to think I'm very skilled with it. Not only does everyone automatically know that Vishra is trans, but most of the town refers to her as a "she".


That's obviously not true, if Vishra's opponents are generating so many reports. In the very short space of time I spent in Vaalor around Vishra, s/he was referred to as a Lady boy by many, and as "he" by many others. To say that most of the town refers to her as "she" is just plain wrong.

A trans character is also not new to GS. Others have done so, just in different ways. Your way isnt the only way to do it, nor is it necessarily the best.

Of that though, I have no doubt you will inform me that I'm wrong ;)

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Vishra
Here's the difference:

The hairbrush is blue just by sitting there. It's an objective fact. The color pre-exists anything that the brush does or that is done to the brush.

But gender is something you doHere's why Vesi wins (and has won for about 9 pages now):

Gender in Gemstone is an objective fact. You choose it when you start the game. Let's expound upon the hairbrush example.

Simu: Attn players, you can have a blue or red hairbrush.
Vishra: But I want a purple hairbrush.
Simu: Sorry, no purple.
Vishra: Well, ok, gimme a blue hairbrush.
Simu: Ok, here you go.
Vishra: :waves around a red hairbrush:
Everyone else: Uh, that would be a blue hairbrush.
Vishra: No, I'm conveying that it's purple by alternating between red and blue. Anyone who disagrees with me is obviously scared of purple.
Everyone else: It's not red though, and ACT-ing it as red is therefore incorrect.
Vishra: This isn't about the hairbrush not being red, everyone is afraid of purple.

Do you see now? We're not afraid of purple (trans-gendered-ness or your bit about 5 genders) we just don't like the use of red (she) when it's clearly blue (he). Gender in Gemstone is male or female, period. You can be a female trapped in a man's body (not that I'm pretending to know about this transgender stuff), but it's still a man's body, and in Gemstone you will be seen as a he.

The hairbrush is blue.

[AnticorRifling]

I'm not afraid of purple, plum or puse maybe, but not purple.

[Trinitis]

Well, I desided to ask a GM friend about the subject, and this is his responce. Not saying this makes anything wrong or right in any way..just saying this is how one GM views it.

Only edits to the log are cosmedic to make easier to read (and hide his Screen Name).




Me: Oz!

Me: Hey, you gotta min?

Ozias: Heya

Ozias: Sure, what's up?

Me: There is this HUGE debate on the PC boards..and I'm interested in getting a GM perspective on it. If you don't mind, I'm gonna copy/paste your responce to it (masking your SN, of course).

Ozias: Um, maybe... What's the question.

Me: hehe, its about a char in GS. There is a debate on if he/she is breaking the rules of the ACT command.

Me: The char is a male (via mechanics), but RP's as a female. He uses act commands to show himself in a female light (frumping hair, fixing dress, etc etc).

Me: But the debate, is about how the act command is used. He uses "She" and "her" in the act command.

Me: even though his gender is male.

Me: and a lot of people are saying, while the RP is interesting, its abuse of the mechanics of the act command.

Ozias: I caught a little of that in the game the other day.

Ozias: Here's my take on act abuse, coming not from a GM, but from an interested observer: it's abusive when it forces other characters into actions and emotions: (Ozias makes Adredrin worship the ground he walks on.) But in the case you're talking about, anyone can look at the character and see the discrepancy between how the character is acting and what the character actually IS, which is the very definition of transgender (with the possible objection that we don't have access to what's under the clothes).

Ozias: As long as the action is performed on their own body (rendering their own body from male to female or vice versa) I don't see a problem with it. Especially since others have the ability to see through it.

Me: ::nods::

Me: Kay, I'm gonna post that with your SN changed

Ozias: If anything it's a lot less threatening than a real transgendered personality.

Me: Heh!


[Edited on 7-6-2004 by LordAdredrin]

[DeV]

I figured the GM's would not consider it abuse as its directed upon your own character. You are not directly subjugating other players to your actions. However, my only qualm was that it would be confusing because your character being transgendered would not be my first thought. I would be wondering had you lost your sanity or forgotten your characters gender.

[Edited on 7-6-2004 by DarkelfVold]

[Shalla]

I think She is a follower of Zelia.. or Ivas.

[SiKWiDiT]

That cunt Vishra is a GM now, huh?

[audioserf]

This is a powerful and not at all mad 15 year bump

[Fortybox]

Wow - had no idea her stupid went back to 2004.

So now that she's a GM, here come the 726 gender options in the character generator.

[Parkbandit]

Wow - had no idea her stupid went back to 2004.

So now that she's a GM, here come the 726 gender options in the character generator.

LOL... I can't believe I didn't know she existed back when I played.

LOLx10 that this account was red so she had to make a new one.. that's also red.

LOLx100 that she was "I get more RPAs than everyone here combined" back in the day. Glad she never changed.

Did she really make GM? That's LOLx10000000

[Tgo01]

It’s actually less sad knowing that she was role playing a tranny 15 years ago. I thought for sure this was just a recent thing due to liberals pushing this whole gender fluid crap lately.

[RichardCranium]

This is a powerful and not at all mad 15 year bump

It was linked in a different thread.

[Gelston]

I own the Zelia cloak. Vishra will never own it within the bounds of the game rules.

[Fortybox]

I own the Zelia cloak. Vishra will never own it within the bounds of the game rules.

Money talks.

[Tgo01]

People, it's only abuse if one subscribes to YOUR particular limited definition of gender.

For those of us who study gender and look at it differently, gender is something you DO, not something you ARE.

Jesus Christ. She really does have 36 degrees in gender studies. Unless she's been playing the long con all this time.

I think Vishra is the perfect case study for how these professors poison the minds of people who take their classes for these degrees. Vishra showed signs of absolute craziness 15 years ago when she was "studying" gender and now look at her, she thinks men in the Congo are feeding their babies off of milk they squirt from their man tits.

[Tgo01]

Also, let me also state that gender is a *continuum* and not a binary system (though we talk about gender as though it were the latter). And as such, Vish's gender is *specifically* a transgressive one that calls into question the very gender binary that people in these arguments are relying on. "You are either male or female, you cannot be both nor either". That's cute and quaint, but not everyone believes that gender works that way. Vishra's gender is above and beyond that. She crosses the line between what is male and what is female, and it is up to your own character to determine how they were interpret her behavior. Yes, most characters will believe in a gender oppositional binary of male/female, so they will figure that Vishra is either male or female. However, those who don't buy into that will recognize that her gender does not neatly fit into either (though I will note that Vishra herself is fairly ignorant of gender and identifies as "She" because she can't fathom anything BUT He or She...She and I don't share the same gender ideals) category.

It's amazing. This sounds like some screeching harpy on "The View" making this argument just a few weeks ago, but it was time4fun 15 years ago. It took 15 years for her crazy to become more mainstream but she stuck with it.

Although it is hilarious how she kept referring to transgender people as "transgendered." Saying "transgendered" is about the most bigoted thing you can say about transgender people, and people like her say once you have said something bigoted you are forever a bigot. So I guess time4fun is the biggest bigot on the PC. Who would have thunk?

[Gelston]

Money talks.

I doubt she'd be willing to put down the amount I'd want.

[Gelston]

It's amazing. This sounds like some screeching harpy on "The View" making this argument just a few weeks ago, but it was time4fun 15 years ago. It took 15 years for her crazy to become more mainstream but she stuck with it.

Although it is hilarious how she kept referring to transgender people as "transgendered." Saying "transgendered" is about the most bigoted thing you can say about transgender people, and people like her say once you have said something bigoted you are forever a bigot. So I guess time4fun is the biggest bigot on the PC. Who would have thunk?

It almost makes me wonder if she is a tranny IRL.

[Fortybox]

It almost makes me wonder if she is a tranny IRL.

I’m more convinced that she is. Its obvious in these posts that she is trying to prove a point from real life in a 40 year old text based game. How sad is that?

[Methais]

Being a follower of Zelia who is the goddess of insanity or some shit, I’m pretty sure Vishra is accidentally saying that trans people are mentally ill.

OMG WHAT A RACIST

[Stumplicker]

men in the Congo are feeding their babies off of milk they squirt from their man tits.

https://i.imgur.com/tYvkh9S.gif

[Methais]

Vishra is a she in every sense of the word but the physical.


https://youtu.be/LtH7l-dhHZQ

[Methais]

I’m more convinced that she is. Its obvious in these posts that she is trying to prove a point from real life in a 40 year old text based game. How sad is that?

Does this mean pk has been getting railed with time4fun’s real dick? Or are they sticking to ever increasing in size dildos?

[Taernath]

I own the Zelia cloak. Vishra will never own it within the bounds of the game rules.

>ACT puts on the Zelia cloak, then turns into a dragon and flies away!

It's mine now, bitch. She could also just dupe it, being a GM and all.

I just want to know what her more well-known character and posting handle was, if they actually existed. She wasn't Bestatte.

[Gelston]

>ACT puts on the Zelia cloak, then turns into a dragon and flies away!

It's mine now, bitch. She could also just dupe it, being a GM and all.

I just want to know what her more well-known character and posting handle was, if they actually existed. She wasn't Bestatte.

According to sources that have sources she isn't a GM.

I mean, GMs can dupe stuff, but you'd be busted moving it onto one of your characters. Especially since there is only one Zelia cloak and she wouldn't be able to stfu about it (if she was a GM).

[RichardCranium]

According to sources that have sources she isn't a GM.

I mean, GMs can dupe stuff, but you'd be busted moving it onto one of your characters. Especially since there is only one Zelia cloak and she wouldn't be able to stfu about it (if she was a GM).

So she's just massively butthurt about the Mueller report is what you're saying.

[Gelston]

So she's just massively butthurt about the Mueller report is what you're saying.

Probably. At least this time she isn't telling 3rd party voters they should be ashamed of themselves and that Jill Stein is why Hillary lost the election, because Gary Johnson voters would have just stayed home, but Jill Stein voters would have voted 100% for Hillary.

[Fortybox]

So she's just massively butthurt about the Mueller report is what you're saying.

There is no way she would stay silent on this. I doubt Gelston's sources are accurate.

[Gelston]

There is no way she would stay silent on this. I doubt Gelston's sources are accurate.

They are my source's source and they are accurate.

[Fortybox]

They are my source's source and they are accurate.

My best friend's grandmother's son who heard it in passing at the grocery store from a woman at the checkout stand who heard it from her neice's babysitter who happens to know Obama heard that Vishra is a GM now.

[Fortybox]

ANNNNNNDDDDDDD there's Vishra's GM alt:

[TownCrier]-GSIV:Newsby: "[MERCHANT] On Tuesday, April 23, at 9pm, Zicune will visit the Hall of Madness in Zelia's Temple in Icemule to offer alteration work. She will work first for those who follow Zelia."

[Tgo01]

ANNNNNNDDDDDDD there's Vishra's GM alt:

[TownCrier]-GSIV:Newsby: "[MERCHANT] On Tuesday, April 23, at 9pm, Zicune will visit the Hall of Madness in Zelia's Temple in Icemule to offer alteration work. She will work first for those who follow Zelia."

We need to investigate this further. Someone go there with a male character and use "she" and "her" pronouns via the ACT verb and see how many RPA's you get.

[Fortybox]

We need to investigate this further. Someone go there with a male character and use "she" and "her" pronouns via the ACT verb and see how many RPA's you get.

:lol:

[Gelston]

My best friend's grandmother's son who heard it in passing at the grocery store from a woman at the checkout stand who heard it from her neice's babysitter who happens to know Obama heard that Vishra is a GM now.

You're a retard.

[Fortybox]

You're a retard.

No u are - and so are your "sources!" Deal with that.

[Gelston]

No u are - and so are your "sources!" Deal with that.

Haha, you called Methais a retard.

[Fortybox]

Haha, you called Methais a retard.

:lol:

The Methais spy network - lolololol

[Gelston]

:lol:

The Methais spy network - lolololol

You should thank him for showing you italian spiderman.

[Fortybox]

You should thank him for showing you italian spiderman.

I heard one of his sources was the italian spiderman.

[SiKWiDiT]

This is a powerful and not at all mad 15 year bump

Hey. Fuck you and your rep lmaoooooo.

[Methais]

I heard one of his sources was the italian spiderman.

Italian Spiderman is a GM.

[RichardCranium]

Italian Spiderman is a GM.

Genoa mozzarella?

[Fortybox]

Italian Spiderman is a GM.

https://media.giphy.com/media/vQqeT3AYg8S5O/giphy.gif

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I guess it got shitcanned as a GM then, since it's posting here now?

[Gelston]

I guess it got shitcanned as a GM then, since it's posting here now?

Sweet bump.

[Methais]

Someone said they thought Vish was gimmick roleplaying (rather offensive), and that they hoped there was "more to her". (I would argue, of course, that that's already far more than most characters). So I figured I'd paste her character story. It needs to be edited to polish up the writing (I may or may not have written it while intoxicated). But here's the gist, if anyone cares:

She was born Vishran Irrigus Faendryl. The only child of two esteemed sorcerers in New Ta'Faendryl, she had been the pride and joy of her family, and her birth was considered to be a blessing to them. During early childhood, Vishran's existence was relatively uneventful. Her parents lavished attention on her, and she excelled at early childhood education. Her kindness and energy brought a smile to the faces of all who spent any amount of time with her, and in turn her own face would light up as brightly as the sun. Of course, back then, Vishran was not referred to as a "her", she was referred to as a "him". At those early ages, it meant little to Vishran what anyone called her, as long as they loved her and played with her.

It wasn't until later that the life of Vishran, which had heretofar been bright as a summer's day, began to darken. Her parents often caught her dressed up in her mother's clothing, and she would fight constantly with her female friends for possession of their clothing, often being chastised by her teachers for attempting to trade her pants for another girl's dress in between lessons. The few times she was successful, she was sent home with a firm reprimand, and her parents grew more
and more dismayed at this behavior. As she grew older, the other children began to show less tolerance or her antics. It wasn't long before Vishra was being sent home in bandages instead of dresses. Finally, her parents had no choice but to educate her at home. They insisted that she wear proper Faendryl men's clothing, but she often refused and even began referring to herself as a "she". Distressed, her parents began to grow distant from their child. Eventually they cased to give her lessons at all (she had shown no promise in the art of sorcery anyway), and they simply ignored their child to the best of their abilities. Now, the only memories Vishra has of interacting with her parents are when they would discover her in dresses again and scold her.

Growing up without any friends or family to speak of, Vishran spent inordinate amounts of time alone. Most of that time was spent in a small temple dedicated to the Arkati a mile or so from her relatively wealthy area of town. Being New Ta'Faendryl, the temple received very few
visitors, mostly historians or children on school trips. This afforded Vishran all the time she wanted to herself, and it was a place where she could wear her dresses (bought without her parents' knowledge) and spend hours braiding and unbraiding her long, ebony hair. One spot in particular quickly became her favorite. It was a small nook in the back of the Temple, devoted to the Lornon Arkati. In the corner of the nook was a tapestry of the most beautiful woman Vishran had ever seen. Her visage was everything Vishran aspired to be. "She is more beautiful than anything else in this world, and one day I will be beautiful as She", Vishran often thought to herself during the hours she spent gazing up reverently at the tapestry. This was the Arkati Ivas, they had told her at the temple, hoping a quick answer would mean that this strange creature would leave them be. The Arkati were not gods, they had explained to her. But Vishran didn't believe them. No one that beautiful could be anything less than a Goddess, and it wasn't long before she was praying on a regular basis to Ivas to make her just as beautiful. Unaware of the darker side of Ivas and in particular Her delight in seducing the innocent into Her service, Vishra wanted nothing more than the approval of the dark Arkati.

Slowly, Vishran began to work up the courage to walk the town in her dresses and makeup. Often times she went unnoticed, and in areas where she and her family were not known, she could pass for a woman quite easily. One day, however, a particularly persistant youth who lavished attention
on her in hopes of winning her heart, discovered Vishran's secret. Word spread around New Ta'Faendryl like wild fire, and the news eventually reached her parents. Having put up with their strange Vishran for years, her parents had finally reached the end of their tolerance. When friends came to warn them about a lynching planned for the young Vishran, they not only did nothing to stop it, but they agreed to help. Telling Vishran that they would meet her the next day during lunch at a park that had been her favorite in her youth, they planned to deliver her straight to the angry mob that was forming in response to Vishran's behavior. Vishran, fearful of leaving the house, was so taken aback by this rare gesture of kindness that she quickly agreed. Taking this as a sign that her parents had finally come around, she dressed in her most lovely gown, put jewels in her hair, and prepared a small feast for the lunch. She went to bed that night feeling as though her life had finally begun to look up. She was so excited, that she almost forgot her nightly prayers to Ivas.

That was the last evening Vishran would ever spend in New Ta'Faendryl.

When she arrived to meet her parents at that park the next day, she immediately knew something was wrong. A large group had already formed beneath the elegant trees of the park. Some carried rope, some carried torches. Immediately, they set upon her, binding her wrists cruelly and hanging her by them from a low-hung branch of a nearby tree. She screamed and screamed for her parents' aid, but they simply sat in the back of the crowd, wondering if they had done the right thing, but too afraid of the now frothing mob to try to stop them. At this point, the mob began gathering sticks and small branches, and they built a large pyre beneath Vishran's legs. She twisted and shrieked, trying to undo the binding and flee, but the ropes were too tight and all of her movement simply tore the skin off of her wrists. Finally, having completed the pyre, those holding fire came up to her and lit it ablaze. Flames quickly ran up the wood, and Vishran knew in her heart that these were to be her final moments. In desparation, she cried out to Ivas for aid, promising that she would forever dedicate her life to the Goddess if She would spare her.

The flames began licking at her feet, and the smoke choked her before the prayer could be completed. Dizzy, she bowed her head and accepted her fate, closing her eyes tightly to avoid the multitude of murderous eyes that glared at her in amusement and satisfaction. Suddenly, in her mind she saw the image that she had stared at so many times in that old Temple. The beautiful woman was burned into her mind, and with shock she realized it was speaking to her! "You are beautiful Vishran, and you have been faithful to me. I will grant your prayer, but you will use the rest of your life to serve me." Vishran's eyes suddenly opened on their own accord, and she realized that the flames had died out completely. It was at this moment that she heard the first screams. Looking up, she saw the beautiful woman from the tapestry. But the image was no longer in her mind. The woman's features were twisted in sadistic glee, and all around her were elves, burning. One by one, the members of the mob ignited into flame, and their dying screams filled the air. The last two to go up in flame were her parents, their faces twisted masks of agony that Vishran knew would haunt her dreams for the rest of her life. Before she could ponder the enormity of the situation, the ropes around her wrists unbound themselves, and she quickly fell to the ground. "Go from this place Vishran", the woman looked at her cooly, amused, but her lips did not move. Numb with shock, Vishran stood up and stumbled off deeper
into the park, not daring to look back behind her, not wishing to see the bodies or to notice that her home was fading quickly away.

On that day she resolved that she would be Vishran Irrigus Faendryl no more. She would be Vishra. And while she had grown quite shy and withdrawn over the years, from that day on she would stutter horribly, always terrified of those to whom she spoke. Always wondering if in the back of their minds they thought of rope and fire; if the scars she now bore on her wrists would once again become open wounds.

For days, Vishra walked. She had no idea where she was going, and the sporadic berries and edible roots she found barely kept her with enough energy to make it through each day. Whenever she saw lights or heard sounds that indicated civilization was near, she would alter her course enough to avoid it entirely, terrified that they might know who she was, or that they would take one look at her torn and dirty dress and come after her with rope and fire just as they had in New Ta'Faendryl. After six days and six nights, Vishra awoke one morning in front of a giant set of city gates that had not been there when she had gone to sleep the night before. Taking this as a sign from the Goddess from which she had heard nothing since that fateful day, she slowly entered the city, exhausted.

TR;DR

[Methais]

>So, I'll say it again. MOST PEOPLE DO NOT DISTINGUISH BETWEEN GENDER AND SEX.

16 years later you’re still wrong.


You are forcing your viewpoint on others by using ACTs to refer to your character as a she.

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[caelric]

I fully support rights for transgender men and transgender women in real life, but reading this thread, wow, total dumpster fire. Good job, time4bhaalizmo, good job.

[Methais]

I fully support rights for transgender men and transgender women in real life, but reading this thread, wow, total dumpster fire. Good job, time4bhaalizmo, good job.

https://media1.giphy.com/media/3o7TKN9IUHHFXWyPlK/200.gif

[Gelston]

I fully support rights for transgender men and transgender women in real life, but reading this thread, wow, total dumpster fire. Good job, time4bhaalizmo, good job.

Thanks for letting us know, 6 months after the last post in this thread.

[caelric]

Thanks for letting us know, 6 months after the last post in this thread.

Thread got linked from somewhere else, and it was an entertaining read, much like a train wreck is interesting to see, in a very morbid way.

[Parkbandit]

LOLOL...

Vishra went back through and manually deleted all of her posts, except the ones in this thread.

That made me laugh.

[Tgo01]

LOLOL...

Vishra went back through and manually deleted all of her posts, except the ones in this thread.

That made me laugh.

Like...all all of her posts?

[Parkbandit]

Like...all all of her posts?

Every post she ever made on that account.. except whatever are contained in this thread.

It's like AshlianaGotBanned did with at least one of her accounts, Kierphe or however it's spelled.

[Xcalibur1]

Like...all all of her posts?

We always suspected Vishra to be a gm or a former one or a future one or something. The fact that she deletes all her political shit may be related to the fact that she'll probably get something close to that.

She's 0 what she claims to be IRL, we got some proof about it.

[Gelston]

We always suspected Vishra to be a gm or a former one or a future one or something. The fact that she deletes all her political shit may be related to the fact that she'll probably get something close to that.

She's 0 what she claims to be IRL, we got some proof about it.

They don't give a fuck about what you posted on the PC in the past.

[Parkbandit]

We always suspected Vishra to be a gm or a former one or a future one or something. The fact that she deletes all her political shit may be related to the fact that she'll probably get something close to that.

She's 0 what she claims to be IRL, we got some proof about it.

Wut?

She now posts as time4fun and she has other accounts here that she hasn't scrubbed out.

Also, didn't you make some bold claim that after Friday the 12th that you wouldn't post here ever again?

You are 0 what you claim to be IRL and you posting here is proof about it.

[Methais]

kek