Chanting "USA, USA" is considered "racist" now??

[Parkbandit]

SAN ANTONIO -
A local school district is apologizing after an apparent incident of racism at a boys high school basketball game this past weekend.

When the final whistle blew Saturday, Alamo Heights celebrated a convincing victory over San Antonio Edison.

Alamo Heights Head Coach Andrew Brewer said he was proud of his team.

"Tremendously proud,” Brewer said. “Tremendously. It's the best group of kids."

But it was just after the trophy presentation when the coach was not proud of the chant coming from Alamo Heights fans.

"USA, USA, USA," they chanted.

San Antonio Independent School District officials took the chant as a racial insult to a school with all minority players from a school with mostly white ones.

On the KSAT 12 Defenders Facebook page, Santos Villarreal's post reads “this has to stop.”

SAISD Spokeswoman Leslie Price heard about the incident after it had happened.

"This is very disrespectful to our students,” Price said.

She said the district is glad the coach put a stop to the chant immediately and hopes Alamo Heights addresses it quickly.

"It is surprising and it's disappointing to hear that anyone would be out there making those kind of remarks," Price said.

Edison students who attended Saturday's game were shocked when they heard the chant. Some thought the fans of the victors should have been better behaved.

Ruby Arredondo and Forest Lebaron are seniors at Edison and Julian Castellano is a junior.

"I was very surprised,” Castellano said. “Very appalled."

"They didn't really have any class," Arredondo said.

"It just rubbed us the wrong way," Lebaron said.

Alamo Heights Superintendent Dr. Kevin Brown also apologized for the chant.

"We just hope that people know that that's not who we are and we're not going to let it happen again," Brown said.

Alamo Heights has apologized to SAISD and the students identified will also have to apologize and have been banned from the state title games.

"We think that you have to earn a right to be there and that's not a reflection of our school district," Brown said.

Both districts are now just trying to move past this disturbing incident.

Another SAISD school, Lanier High, faced a similar incident within the last year from students in the Cedar Park school district.

http://www.ksat.com/news/defenders/Racial-incident-mars-high-school-game/-/478436/9225754/-/145ddl2/-/index.html

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[Sam]

I assume in this context, it was. Unless you think the fans were just cheering for both teams, since they're both schools in the USA.

[AnticorRifling]

I heard USA is a race.

[Some Rogue]

Come on, they were obviously implying the team made up of mostly Hispanic kids were illegals. I know you're both not rocket scientists but it's pretty obvious.

[Shift]

Human mutts and Sneetches with stars upon thars, Anticor.

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Definitely could have be taken as racist given the context/circumstances. This was two U.S. high school teams, not the Olympics.

[Archigeek]

It would appear that the implication by the one group of fans was that the other group were lesser citizens. That's the insult to the other team. Now, as for the rest of us, should we feel angered by a group of people who want to turn the chant "USA, USA, USA!" into an insult? I'd prefer to reserve that for when I want to actually cheer for my country instead of insulting someone.

[Latrinsorm]

Some bad apples at my high school used it as a racist chant, it's not a new development. In our case it was because an opposing high school imported a Canadian to play goalie, but it was mostly because some (most) [all] high school kids are assholes, and will use any excuse to try and get away with being assholes.

[AnticorRifling]

Would this be a news story if the hispanic kids won and chanted USA?

[Archigeek]

Would this be a news story if the hispanic kids won and chanted USA?

Would they be using the chant as an insult?

[Liagala]

Would this be a news story if the hispanic kids won and chanted USA?
Sure it would. Special interest story. Pull the heart strings with a tale of how poor, underpriveledged kids from other nations are able to come here and accomplish so much. Look at how thrilled they are to have this opportunity to grow up in the US.

[AnticorRifling]

Would they be using the chant as an insult?

Do we know the kids on the winning team were or is it an assumption by some quick to react parents/faculty?

I'm going off this "news" story, I can't see the link contents from work.

[AnticorRifling]

Sure it would. Special interest story. Pull the heart strings with a tale of how poor, underpriveledged kids from other nations are able to come here and accomplish so much. Look at how thrilled they are to have this opportunity to grow up in the US.

So because the other kids were white they aren't not allowed be be thrilled or appreciative of the opportunity to grow up in the US and it could only be a hate chant. Got it.

[Tgo01]

It's Texas, chances are it was racist. Am I right?!

USA! USA! U..S..nevermind

[AnticorRifling]

Did they play the national anthem before the game or was that cancelled too?

[Latrinsorm]

Do we know the kids on the winning team were or is it an assumption by some quick to react parents/faculty?

I'm going off this "news" story, I can't see the link contents from work.Yeah and if the fans had chanted "white power" maybe it was only because the team was wearing white jerseys.

[AnticorRifling]

Yeah and if the fans had chanted "white power" maybe it was only because the team was wearing white jerseys.

Since "white power" is a/the slogan of a hate group and USA is a country in which all players of the game in question live that is an excellent comparison where easily drawn conclusions can be made.....

One of these two listed is racist:

White Power

USA

[Latrinsorm]

Since "white power" is a/the slogan of a hate group and USA is a country in which all players of the game in question live that is an excellent comparison where easily drawn conclusions can be made.....

One of these two listed is racist:

White Power

USAYou assume white power is a slogan of a hate group. You have to admit there is an extremely implausible and obviously incorrect interpretation that would make it an innocuous remark.

[Sam]

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb241/PreacherKnight/trollin.jpg

[AnticorRifling]

You assume white power is a slogan of a hate group. You have to admit there is an extremely implausible and obviously incorrect interpretation that would make it an innocuous remark.

Let's do something fun. You go to any sporting event anywhere in this country and start chanting white power. I'll go to a sporting event in this country and start chanting USA.

We can also look at the history of both chants and how they relate to sporting events and see if maybe, just maybe, you're being retarded. Insert open bracket i close bracket open bracket slash i close bracket as needed.

[Nieninque]

"Chanting "USA, USA" is considered "racist" now??"

No, not at all. The question should more accurately have been;

"Chanting "USA, USA" can be considered "racist" now??"

To which the answer would most definitely have been "Yes" with a suffix of "depending on the context within which the chanting is used."

The difference being that the question as it was asked in the OP suggests that chanting "USA, USA" would always be considered racist. Often that is not the case, for instance at a sporting occasion between two international teams, one of whom is the Septics.

In this instance, it appears as though it has been mischievously used to draw inferences of the other team's nationality, presumably, because they were a little "off white". In such instances, it is highly likely that there is some level of racist thinking going on, indicating that the chant of "USA, USA" was indeed being used in a racist manner. Don't get too upset by it, as people have rightly pointed out, these were school kids who are generally a bunch of nobbers at the best of times. We have similar problems with educationally stunted individuals who call themselves the BNP or the EDL who insist on chanting stuff about England and showing the rest of us up. Do they use their chants in a racist manner? Fuck yeah. Does that mean that the chants are always racist? Fuck no. When the rest of us use them, we are simply celebrating the fact that we are English and not Yanks.

[AnticorRifling]

No one wants to hear from a soccer hooligan.

[Nieninque]

Football!

[Stanley Burrell]

If I assume it's just the chant. No gestures. No whatever t-shirts. Nothing to add insult to the perceived injury, then the "USA" chant is about as racist as the reverse racism on the opposing team/offended parties for interpreting it in such a manner.

That said, everyone was probably being a total dick; which, if is not the mandatory standard for any and all sporting events more personal than Olympic curling, then all hope for mankind is lost.

[Keller]

Why are people responding seriously to a troll thread?

[Stanley Burrell]

Why are people responding seriously to a troll thread?

Because I wanted to sound snooty and erudite.

[AnticorRifling]

Why are people responding seriously to a troll thread?

Good sir we are talking about 'Merica here.

[Nieninque]

I just wanted to get the word "Septics" into a thread

[Keller]

Understood.

In the future, here is the correct response when you open an obvious troll thread.

http://gifsforum.com/images/gif/disgusted/grand/gorilla_is_scared_gif.gif

[Tgo01]

Understood.

In the future, here is the correct response when you open an obvious troll thread.

http://gifsforum.com/images/gif/disgusted/grand/gorilla_is_scared_gif.gif

That's racist.

[Atlanteax]

Oh man, no wonder Latrinsorm was all over Trolling in this thread.

(see "Thread for Things That Made You Smile Today")

[TheEschaton]

In this context, cheering your school of mostly white kids who just defeated an all-Hispanic team with chants of USA! USA! implies the all-Hispanic team is excluded from the USA! chant, when, in fact, they're all from the USA.

I've lived in San Antonio, and I know the two districts, and race has been a problem there for awhile now.

[Latrinsorm]

Let's do something fun. You go to any sporting event anywhere in this country and start chanting white power. I'll go to a sporting event in this country and start chanting USA.

We can also look at the history of both chants and how they relate to sporting events and see if maybe, just maybe, you're being retarded. Insert open bracket i close bracket open bracket slash i close bracket as needed.Like I said, I have experienced first hand an occasion where USA was a racist chant at a high school sporting event, and Canadians don't even take our jobs. You are taking your experience as universal at your own peril. You don't know what it's like to come up in a racially charged environment, whether in the deserts of Texas or the suburbs of Connecticut. :[
Because I wanted to sound snooty and erudite.That's the only reason I post anywhere about anything.

[Stanley Burrell]

That's the only reason I post anywhere about anything.

Nyes, nyes. Quite.

[Parkbandit]

Like I said, I have experienced first hand an occasion where USA was a racist chant at a high school sporting event, and Canadians don't even take our jobs. You are taking your experience as universal at your own peril. You don't know what it's like to come up in a racially charged environment, whether in the deserts of Texas or the suburbs of Connecticut.

Do you even know what "racist" means?

[Jarvan]

I don't know.. I think chanting USA USA USA at an American sporting event with both teams being American, is about as Racist as wearing an American Flag t-shirt to school.

Of course, if that shirt is worn on Cinco De Mayo day, Then apparently not only is it racist, but likely to get you killed according to the school.

So in this case, chanting USA USA USA to people of Hispanic decent could be construed as racist.

That being the case, I think wearing any other nations flag to school on any day of the Year is Racist as well. Putting Any Nationality infront of American, or calling people by the color of their skin instead of what country they are citizens of, is Also racist and frankly Unpatriotic.

Calling these kids on the other team Hispanic, Racist. They are Americans. Race is meaningless.

[TheEschaton]

Luckily, Jarvan, you're stupid as fuck, so what you think is easily dismissed by decades of sociology of minority and repressed populations.

[ClydeR]

In Alabama or Arizona, the chants would have been cause for police to check the winning players' papers. If they're not legal, then they should lose by default. The liberals in this forum may not support the Alabama and Arizona laws, but the majority of Americans do, including the Republican presidential candidates.

[Latrinsorm]

Do you even know what "racist" means?I refuse to respond in depth to anyone who quotes me without including my emoticons.
I don't know.. I think chanting USA USA USA at an American sporting event with both teams being American, is about as Racist as wearing an American Flag t-shirt to school.

Of course, if that shirt is worn on Cinco De Mayo day, Then apparently not only is it racist, but likely to get you killed according to the school.

So in this case, chanting USA USA USA to people of Hispanic decent could be construed as racist.

That being the case, I think wearing any other nations flag to school on any day of the Year is Racist as well. Putting Any Nationality infront of American, or calling people by the color of their skin instead of what country they are citizens of, is Also racist and frankly Unpatriotic.

Calling these kids on the other team Hispanic, Racist. They are Americans. Race is meaningless.I wish you wouldn't let yourself get suckered so easily.

[4a6c1]

That being the case, I think wearing any other nations flag to school on any day of the Year is Racist as well. Putting Any Nationality infront of American... is...frankly Unpatriotic.


This is a good idea. We should make some laws for this.

[Warriorbird]

This is a good idea. We should make some laws for this.

One of my students wore an Ireland soccer jersey. I demanded he be deported.

[Tsk Tsk]

Do you even know what "racist" means?

Stop trying to steal ClydeR's thunder by posting a thread in this topic.

Furthermore, do you even know what "context" means? I wonder why the coach called for the chant to stop, he must be a communist from Terrorstan.

:thinking:

[Jack]

The fact that the students from Edison chanted "Alamo Whites" is ignored, but the chant of "USA" is called out for racism, and apologized for. Where is the apology from Edison?

[~Rocktar~]

The fact that the students from Edison chanted "Alamo Whites" is ignored, but the chant of "USA" is called out for racism, and apologized for. Where is the apology from Edison?

But but but, racism and bigotry is ok as long as it is directed at white people.

[Parkbandit]

But but but, racism and bigotry is ok as long as it is directed at white people.

This.

[Keller]

This.

I'm not saying it is impossible to agree with Squiggles.

I am saying that when you do, you should realize you need to reassess your position.

[Archigeek]

The fact that the students from Edison chanted "Alamo Whites" is ignored, but the chant of "USA" is called out for racism, and apologized for. Where is the apology from Edison?

As Bill Murray would say: that's a fact Jack? Why, because someone posted it in the comment section after the article? That is where I typically go when looking for facts, as it is one of the bastions of objective thought.

If it actually is true, then both sets of fans got out of hand. It doesn't make it any less offensive to tarnish the good chant of "USA, USA, USA" by tainting it with racial animosity. Hopefully they ALL learned something positive.

[Tgo01]

As Bill Murray would say: that's a fact Jack? Why, because someone posted it in the comment section after the article? That is where I typically go when looking for facts, as it is one of the bastions of objective thought.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/highschool-prep-rally/san-antonio-prep-hoops-fans-accused-racismabover-usa-123930890.html


Meanwhile, at least one report noted that Edison students may have inflamed the situation by chanting "Alamo whites" either before or after the "USA, USA" chant began. Still, while that claim was reported by one San Antonio Express-News columnist it has not been substantiated by other sources (though it has also been perpetuated by Alamo Heights supporters online, which doesn't necessarily speak to its veracity or lack thereof).

[~Rocktar~]

I'm not saying it is impossible to agree with Squiggles.

I am saying that when you do, you should realize you need to reassess your position.

So you agree that it's ok to be a racist bigot when you direct it at white people?

[Keller]

So you agree that it's ok to be a racist bigot when you direct it at white people?

I agree that it is ok to be racist towards brown people as long as you believe that they believe it is ok to be racist when it is directed at white people.

[Carl Spackler]

Alamo's new fight song

http://youtu.be/GGuhZvO1DKg

[Back]

I AM DISINGENUOUSLY OUTRAGED AT THIS! OUR COUNTRY IS COLLAPSING BEFORE OUR EYES BECAUSE OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, HOLLYWOOD, EUROPE, THE MIDDLE EAST, HIP HOP, AND EVERYTHING ELSE EXCEPT WALL STREET, AND THE CHURCH!

[AnticorRifling]

You forgot hippies and drunks.

[Back]

You forgot hippies and drunks.

Right and wrong! It is perfectly acceptable to be a lush in this country. But being a pot head is a subversive act of Satan's plot.

[Parkbandit]

Right and wrong! It is perfectly acceptable to be a lush in this country. But being a pot head is a subversive act of Satan's plot.

It's never been "perfectly acceptable" to be a drunk in this country.

[Back]

To be an outright drunkard, no. Legally there is a difference.

[Parkbandit]

To be an outright drunkard, no. Legally there is a difference.

Which is why Anticor used the term "drunk" and not "lush".

[Back]

Wow. I guess its humorless-grumpy-old-bastard Friday today!

[Parkbandit]

Wow. I guess its humorless-grumpy-old-bastard Friday today!

If you were trying to be funny.. you did a terrible job.

[Ceyrin]

:beer:

[AnticorRifling]

The standard "Oh shit I sound dumb better post a IT R JOKE OR I R KID response".