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ClydeR
12-12-2011, 11:03 AM
Rick Perry said on Fox News Sunday yesterday that he wants a Constitutional amendment to allow children to pray any time they like in schools. I think this will help him some in Iowa, but it's a bit too late for him. I just hope the Constitutional amendment is limited to Christian children. Otherwise, it could cause a lot of problems.


WALLACE: Let me ask you, though, about the specific charge in that commercial. You say that gays can serve openly while children can't pray in school. It was the Supreme Court back in 1962 that decided and it's been upheld since then that children couldn't pray in school. Barack Obama had nothing to do with that.

And after repeal of "don't ask, don't tell," are you saying that anyone who supports "don't ask, don't tell" is anti-religious?

PERRY: Well, let me back up and say that I would support a constitutional amendment that would allow our children to pray in school any time that they would like. Right now, those activist judges like Sotomayor and Kagan that he put on the Supreme Court, they would continue to say that that is a decision that the Supreme Court should make.

I happen to believe that that would be a local decision and that's not the Supreme Court's business to be telling Americans when and how they should pray.

On the issue of "don't ask, don't tell," it was working. And for the commander-in-chief to use your military as a political tool while we are in combat in two different locations -- at least two different locations around the world, in Iraq and Afghanistan, I think is just irresponsible.

I am commander-of-chief of 20,000 plus thousand men and women. I served in the United States Air Force. I understand the issue.

And I don't think it's one that the president of the United States and Congress for that matter should be forcing upon the men and women of the military. I think it was bad public policy and I would change it.

WALLACE: The only point I'd make about prayer in school, is that has continued under -- the ban under Republican presidents as well as Democrats, including Reagan and both of the Bushes.

PERRY: I understand that. I'm just -- I'm telling you what I believe, Chris. And I happen to believe that Americans don't agree with that decision that was made in 1962. And that if we have a constitutional amendment election in this country, allowing our children to pray in school, I would suggest to you, will pass overwhelming.

And I'll support that. I will go across this country, as I'm promoting a balanced budget amendment to the United States Constitution. I'll work on a balanced -- I should say, an amendment to allow our children to pray in school. I think Americans are greatly supportive of both of those issues.

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Suppa Hobbit Mage
12-12-2011, 11:07 AM
Perry is full on jumping the shark to cater to the evangelicals.

Hulkein
12-12-2011, 11:26 AM
Does he realize that these types of issues are so far down on the list of what most people are looking at when choosing a candidate?

Deathravin
12-12-2011, 02:07 PM
Children can currently pray in school any time they like.

What cannot occur is anybody in the employ of the school advocating any religion over another. Meaning you can't lead a prayer over the loudspeaker, you can't lead all the children in an assembly in a prayer.

If the children want to pray for the game, or pray during the morning announcements, they can. If they want to read the bible during lunch break, they can. If they want to start an after-school bible study group, they can. Nobody has ever restricted this.

Those under the employ of the school simply can't lead, advocate, or initiate it.


I've never understood what was so hard about recognizing that if you force somebody to do something for your religion then it's legal for them to push their religion on you too. Lets keep school for things that are based in fact. There's a whole other place to learn things that have no factual basis, it's called church.

You don't want government in your church, telling you how to worship? Get your noses out of government, telling them how to teach facts.

4a6c1
12-12-2011, 02:14 PM
"And I'll support that. I will go across this country, as I'm promoting a balanced budget amendment to the United States Constitution. I'll work on a balanced -- I should say, an amendment to allow our children to pray in school. I think Americans are greatly supportive of both of those issues."

:-X

Deathravin
12-12-2011, 02:36 PM
"If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein."
- Justice Jackson, West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Virginia_State_Board_of_Education_v._Barnette #Decision_of_the_Court) - June 14, 1943

Latrinsorm
12-12-2011, 03:28 PM
Does he realize that these types of issues are so far down on the list of what most people are looking at when choosing a candidate?Then again, nobody throws a Hail Mary when they're winning. (Except the Patriots, of course.)
Children can currently pray in school any time they like.

What cannot occur is anybody in the employ of the school advocating any religion over another. Meaning you can't lead a prayer over the loudspeaker, you can't lead all the children in an assembly in a prayer.

If the children want to pray for the game, or pray during the morning announcements, they can. If they want to read the bible during lunch break, they can. If they want to start an after-school bible study group, they can. Nobody has ever restricted this.

Those under the employ of the school simply can't lead, advocate, or initiate it.


I've never understood what was so hard about recognizing that if you force somebody to do something for your religion then it's legal for them to push their religion on you too. Lets keep school for things that are based in fact. There's a whole other place to learn things that have no factual basis, it's called church.

You don't want government in your church, telling you how to worship? Get your noses out of government, telling them how to teach facts.I can't tell if I'm more surprised that you're responding seriously to ClydeR or responding seriously to Governor Perry.

Tgo01
12-12-2011, 04:03 PM
I can't tell if I'm more surprised that you're responding seriously to ClydeR or responding seriously to Governor Perry.

Or maybe he's responding seriously to the same person?

Deathravin
12-12-2011, 04:13 PM
Or maybe he wasn't responding to either, simply trying to insert the facts in a general rhetoric-fueled ignorance.

One reason why so many people believe false statements is that they're unchallenged when perpetuated. We need to learn to challenge these statements and provide facts to prevent somebody from accepting uncontested falsehoods.