Next Republican Debate

[Rinualdo]

NBC news is hosting this one tonight. Anyone else going to watch?

If nothing else, I think it will be intriguing as the candidates are moving to the phase where they start attacking each other, particularly against Perry. It will also be interesting to see if any of the fringe players stick around or do something else to set themselves apart.

[ClydeR]

Anyone else going to watch?

Definitely.


If nothing else, I think it will be intriguing as the candidates are moving to the phase where they start attacking each other, particularly against Perry.

If Perry attends. The fires in Texas may keep him away. It's a huge disaster. If he attends, who will attack him while his state is suffering so?

[Parkbandit]

NBC news is hosting this one tonight. Anyone else going to watch?

If nothing else, I think it will be intriguing as the candidates are moving to the phase where they start attacking each other, particularly against Perry. It will also be interesting to see if any of the fringe players stick around or do something else to set themselves apart.

No.. I have a football draft tonight at 8 as well as Big Brother.

PS - Fuck you Anticor. Go watch Glee some more.

[Drew]

Savviest move is for him not to attend. If they attack him while he is absent it looks cowardly and he has all the momentum now and a good excuse for not showing.

[ClydeR]

Rick Perry definitely won. All of the other candidates, jealous of his history of leadership success, were attacking him, but nobody threw him off his game. And that's so even though he didn't have a chance to prepare, since the Texas fires were occupying all his time.

[4a6c1]

link Clyde.

You're getting lazy.

[Androidpk]

http://i56.tinypic.com/314594w.jpg

[Parkbandit]

link Clyde.

You're getting lazy.

Fucking Canadians...

[Deathravin]

http://i.imgur.com/PMSBK.jpg

During commercial break during Wednesday's GOP debate, Perry physically grabbed Paul and got in his face

I guess Perry wasn't ready to defend himself on his policy decisions. He seems like a bully.

[Parkbandit]

http://i.imgur.com/PMSBK.jpg

During commercial break during Wednesday's GOP debate, Perry physically grabbed Paul and got in his face

I guess Perry wasn't ready to defend himself on his policy decisions. He seems like a bully.

You got all that from a snapshot taken during a commercial break?

[Androidpk]

First poll I have seen in regards to this debate.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/09/07/7658608-who-do-you-think-won-the-republican-debate-at-the-reagan-library

[Deathravin]

http://i.imgur.com/Ilrxq.png
http://i.imgur.com/EaYs5.jpg

http://sci-ence.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/DSMad-300x218.png

[Androidpk]

Why is the media so goddamn eager to cram Perry and Romney down our throats?

[Traelin]

Why is the media so goddamn eager to cram Perry and Romney down our throats?

There is an agenda of course.

[Deathravin]

I guess it just really shows me that while each media outlet might have their own agenda, they're also guided by some central agenda. There must be a reason why Paul is a clear contender, but so ignored across all the media outlets.

[Drisco]

I like Ron Paul.

[Deathravin]

Its not about like or dislike. It CAN'T be. I would never vote for him, but I still can see the clear bias. The extreme lengths all of the primary media sources are going to to IGNORE him. How is this possible? Why are they doing it? How are they getting away with it? What is their agenda?

[ClydeR]

During commercial break during Wednesday's GOP debate, Perry physically grabbed Paul and got in his face

Never happened. And if it did, it was justified.

[ClydeR]

The worst thing last night was when Romney flipped and flopped and squirmed and wormed when asked if he considers himself to be a member of the Tea Party. Why can't he give a straight answer?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nDeJOI5vns

He is just shameless.

[Parkbandit]

I guess it just really shows me that while each media outlet might have their own agenda, they're also guided by some central agenda. There must be a reason why Paul is a clear contender, but so ignored across all the media outlets.

Straw polls and Internet polls don't make Paul a "clear contender".

[ClydeR]

The second worst thing that happened last night was when Huntsman scolded everybody for talking about the Department of National Security when they should be talking about more important things. What's more important than national security?

[Deathravin]

Straw polls and Internet polls don't make Paul a "clear contender".

source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ames_Straw_Poll)
Place|Candidate|Votes|Percentage
1|Michele Bachmann|4,823|28.6%
2|Ron Paul|4,671|27.7%
3|Tim Pawlenty|2,293|13.6%
4|Rick Santorum|1,657|9.8%
5|Herman Cain|1,456|8.6%
6|Rick Perry (write-in)|718|4.3%
7|Mitt Romney|567|3.4%
8|Newt Gingrich|385|2.3%
9|Jon Huntsman|69|0.4%
10|Thaddeus McCotter|35|0.2%
—|Scattering|218|1.30%
Total||16,892|100%


I seem to remember the mainstream media shitting themselves over Bachman when she won the Iowa straw poll by less than 1% even though she has no chance.

They did however mention who came in 3rd and 4th as if they were absolute contenders, but seemed to skip over that Paul got 2nd.


Besides, since when did popularity not help in a popularity contest?

[Androidpk]

They did however mention who came in 3rd and 4th as if they were absolute contenders, but seemed to skip over that Paul got 2nd.


Even Huntsman and his whopping 69 votes got more coverage than Ron Paul.

[Warriorbird]

I for one have to say: Welcome back McCotter. Welcome back.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

No.. I have a football draft tonight at 8 as well as Big Brother.

PS - Fuck you Anticor. Go watch Glee some more.

How about Adam not using the veto?! Finally got rid of that whinny black bitch. And what the hell was with Jordan voting for Porsche?!

[Cephalopod]

Some amusing notes. What You Missed in the Fourth GOP Presidential Debate (http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/09/reagan_debate_recap.html)

[Rinualdo]

Some amusing notes. What You Missed in the Fourth GOP Presidential Debate (http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/09/reagan_debate_recap.html)

I was watching this part and cringed when the audience started clapping



Most Disturbing Applause: The applause that erupted when the moderators noted that Rick Perry had overseen more executions than any governor in modern times.

[Atlanteax]

I was watching this part and cringed when the audience started clapping
Quote:
Most Disturbing Applause: The applause that erupted when the moderators noted that Rick Perry had overseen more executions than any governor in modern times.

Probably due to the thought that a governor who enforces capital punishment would be considered tough on crime and strong-willed ("push-overs" commute/decline sentences).

[Atlanteax]

Some amusing notes. What You Missed in the Fourth GOP Presidential Debate (http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/09/reagan_debate_recap.html)
and *some* people wonder why Ron Paul is not taken seriously...


Question That Everyone Expected to Be Asked But Wasn’t Asked: “Raise your hand if you believe in evolution.”
This is Truth... *why* was it not asked? Heh...

[Deathravin]

Relevant (http://articles.cnn.com/2009-10-01/justice/texas.execution.probe_1_willingham-case-cameron-todd-willingham-execution?_s=PM:CRIME)

Further reading (http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/09/07/090907fa_fact_grann?currentPage=all)

[Parkbandit]

How about Adam not using the veto?! Finally got rid of that whinny black bitch. And what the hell was with Jordan voting for Porsche?!

And you call yourself a fan.. you sicken me.

IF you were a real fan, like me, you would have Showtime 2 (free when you get NFL Sunday Ticket super fan package from Directv) you would see that it was all planned out. Adam not using the veto was a deal he made with Jordan and Rachel.. and then they all decided to let Rachel boot the whiny black bitch out directly.

Love Jordan.. but don't care for anyone else. Jordan's problem is.. she's too nice, too trusting and she sucks at competitions. Best social game in there though.. simply because she's cute and nice to a fault.

[Parkbandit]

I was watching this part and cringed when the audience started clapping

I bet if a poll existed (and it might.. I'm too lazy to look) it would show that the majority of Americans support the death penalty.

[Rinualdo]

I bet if a poll existed (and it might.. I'm too lazy to look) it would show that the majority of Americans support the death penalty.

I support women's rights but wouldn't clap for whatever state performed the most abortions.

[Parkbandit]

I support women's rights but wouldn't clap for whatever state performed the most abortions.

I think those are two entirely different things. While I too support a woman's right to choose, many Conservatives view the killing of innocent children (aka fetuses) to be a crime... where the death penalty is the ultimate price you pay for being a fucking piece of human trash.

[Rinualdo]

I think those are two entirely different things. While I too support a woman's right to choose, many Conservatives view the killing of innocent children (aka fetuses) to be a crime... where the death penalty is the ultimate price you pay for being a fucking piece of human trash.

Don't some liberals think killing under any circumstance also a crime?

I'm not debating the merits of the death penalty (which I support), just the celebration of it.

[Parkbandit]

Don't some liberals think killing under any circumstance also a crime?

Liberals don't think.. DUUUUUUR.



I'm not debating the merits of the death penalty (which I support), just the celebration of it.

I can buy that... but I don't think the applause was "ZOMG WE KILL PEOPLE!!!" but more about Perry's support of the death penalty and that he can sleep at night, despite the moderators disbelief.

[Latrinsorm]

I guess it just really shows me that while each media outlet might have their own agenda, they're also guided by some central agenda. There must be a reason why Paul is a clear contender, but so ignored across all the media outlets.That central agenda probably being "nobody cares what a bunch of Internet nerds thinks insofar as Presidential elections are concerned".

Seriously though, how many times does Ron Paul have to say things like "Just remember, 9/11 came about because there was too much government." before we can all agree he can't be taken seriously as a Presidential candidate?

[Deathravin]

That central agenda probably being "nobody cares what a bunch of Internet nerds thinks insofar as Presidential elections are concerned".

Seriously though, how many times does Ron Paul have to say things like "Just remember, 9/11 came about because there was too much government." before we can all agree he can't be taken seriously as a Presidential candidate?

How many crazy things has Bachman said? or Palin? It's not about their stance on issues. It's about something else. We're talking about the guy who is the basis of the entire Tea Party movement. He embodies everything they officially stand for. Yet Bachman gets the media gushing, but Paul doesn't.

It's suspicious is all I'm saying.

[Androidpk]

That central agenda probably being "nobody cares what a bunch of Internet nerds thinks insofar as Presidential elections are concerned".

Seriously though, how many times does Ron Paul have to say things like "Just remember, 9/11 came about because there was too much government." before we can all agree he can't be taken seriously as a Presidential candidate?

I found this troubling at first that you said this, then I remembered that no one takes YOU seriously.

[Parkbandit]

How many crazy things has Bachman said? or Palin? It's not about their stance on issues. It's about something else. We're talking about the guy who is the basis of the entire Tea Party movement. He embodies everything they officially stand for. Yet Bachman gets the media gushing, but Paul doesn't.

It's suspicious is all I'm saying.

Ron Paul makes the Tea Party look liberal...

I don't view the media "gushing" over Bachmann.. Paul might not be getting any press, but the press Bachmann is getting is press she can probably do without.

[Traelin]

Ron Paul makes the Tea Party look liberal...

I don't view the media "gushing" over Bachmann.. Paul might not be getting any press, but the press Bachmann is getting is press she can probably do without.

The Ron Paul movement created the Tea Party. It has now been hijacked by neocons.

[Seran]

Of 200K people polled, more than half say Ron Paul won the debate.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/09/07/7658608-who-do-you-think-won-the-republican-debate-at-the-reagan-library

Ron Paul 2012.

[Androidpk]

The Ron Paul movement created the Tea Party. It has now been hijacked by morons.

Or this.

[Androidpk]

I've been going over media responses to the debate and most places are foaming at the mouth over how "awesome" Perry was and how he totally pushed everyone else out of the race.

This particular poll I found has Perry winning but they disqualified Ron Paul due to "voter skewing". Hilarious.

http://www.therightscoop.com/poll-who-won-the-reagan-library-debate/

[Parkbandit]

The Ron Paul movement created the Tea Party. It has now been hijacked by neocons.

Lay out the platform of Ron Paul and then do the same with the Tea Party.

The Tea Party is Ron Paul lite.. without as much of the craziness.

[Parkbandit]

Of 200K people polled, more than half say Ron Paul won the debate.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/09/07/7658608-who-do-you-think-won-the-republican-debate-at-the-reagan-library

Ron Paul 2012.

You do understand the difference between an open internet poll and a real "scientific" poll, right?

[Seran]

Two hundred thousand people casting an opinion is nothing to sneer at, even if you don't like the candidate PB.

[Parkbandit]

Two hundred thousand people casting an opinion is nothing to sneer at, even if you don't like the candidate PB.

Those 200,000 people are probably not 200,000 actual people. One thing behind Ron Paul supporters are that they are very tech/social media savvy.

Look at the actual polling data from a nationwide poll that is done in the proper, accepted method.. he's probably anywhere from 6-10%.

If the Presidential race was decided on open Internet polls and Straw polls, Ron Paul might actually be elected.

[Deathravin]

http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/sndff0moc0crwlz7xki0xa.gif

[ClydeR]

Two hundred thousand people casting an opinion is nothing to sneer at, even if you don't like the candidate PB.

I sneer at Ron Paul's supporters. Did you know they favor legalizing marijuana and oppose bombing Iran? I don't even understand why Paul still calls himself a Republican.

[ClydeR]

There's another debate Monday night.

[CrystalTears]

Did you know they favor legalizing marijuana...Rock on. Too bad he's a little crazy for my taste.

[Androidpk]

Rock on. Too bad he's a little crazy for my taste.

Why do you think he's crazy?

[CrystalTears]

He has libertarian ideals which are a bit excessive for me.

[Rinualdo]

You mean like eliminating every single regulatory agency and allowing the free market to determine airline safety, drug safety, etc?

[CrystalTears]

You mean like eliminating every single regulatory agency and allowing the free market to determine airline safety, drug safety, etc?
Basically.

[Androidpk]

He has libertarian ideals which are a bit excessive for me.

So that makes him "crazy"?

[Atlanteax]

As it is an absolutely absurd idea ... yes.

[Atlanteax]

In the meantime, WTB an Presidentially-viable *moderate* Republican.

[Androidpk]

As it is an absolutely absurd idea ... yes.

I don't see what is so absurd about it. Does the government make YOU feel safer?

[Rinualdo]

I don't see what is so absurd about it. Does the government make YOU feel safer?

Do you honestly thing the free market should regulate health and safety? Do you think anyone should be able to open a medical facility without any proof or training or certification?

[Gan]

:popcorn:

[Parkbandit]

http://i.imgur.com/PMSBK.jpg

During commercial break during Wednesday's GOP debate, Perry physically grabbed Paul and got in his face

I guess Perry wasn't ready to defend himself on his policy decisions. He seems like a bully.

I guess your assumption was way off base:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aso8d6vuqwk&feature=player_embedded#!