The Republican Mormon Problem

[ClydeR]

Summer playcation is over. As the Bible says, it's time to stop drinking milk and start eating meat. The fist meaty political question we need to address is the issue of Mormonism in the Republican Party, with two of the leading candidates being Mormons. We cannot afford to have a Mormon as our nominee.

Most people don't even know about the anti-Christian beliefs of Mormons. I've been reading up on it and I found the two most important Mormon beliefs to enlighten you, my loyal readers.



Mormons believe there are many different gods. The God who sent Jesus to earth was one god. He lives on the planet Kolob, but nobody knows exactly where it is. It's completely different from the Kobol planet on Battlestar Gallactica. Completely different.


Mormons believe that righteous men who die get their own planets to live on after death, and they become gods, just like the God who sent Jesus to earth. The more wives and children a Morman man has, the more powerful he will be after he gets his own planet. Women don't get planets, no matter how righteous they were. That's because Mormons traditionally supported polygamy, and a dead man got take all his wives with him to his new planet. When they stopped officially supporting polygamy, they didn't change the part about women not being eligible to own planets.


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Romney Newsweek Cover (http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo166/rmi08a/newsweekcovermormons.jpg)

[Showal]

You know what I've been reading up on? Genital shaped swimming areas and things shaped as genitals in water:

http://blog.luxuryproperty.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/penis-shaped-pool.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_6q-f-zD4xPY/SMotDZH-zyI/AAAAAAAAFYY/NDW1clfj_zY/s320/PenisIceberg.jpg

[diethx]

Penisberg rules. I've used that as my avatar on a few other forumseses.

[Tgo01]

Penisberg rules. I've used that as my avatar on a few other forumseses.

Forums for other games you no longer play no doubt.

/inspire

[Inspire]

Penisberg rules. I've used that as my avatar on a few other forumseses.

You mean we're not the only board that has to put up with your cunty cat-killing stupidity?

Please feel free to post there only.

[Showal]

You mean we're not the only board that has to put up with your cunty cat-killing stupidity?

Please feel free to post there only.

Good one!

[Stry]

This is hilarious.

Being as I'm the known forum Mormon and an Independent. (Yes my mother and step-father are staunch Republicans and I hate it.) I can officially tell you that you are completely delusional when it comes to what you think we believe.

Google is obviously the best source for learning about a religion, right? I don't typically respond to shameless trolling like this, but I feel the need to today.

If you want to read about what we actually believe, feel free to visit www.mormon.org (www.mormon.org)or www.lds.org

Or feel free to PM me if you have legitimate questions. I'll ignore any and all trolls as I'm not interested in arguing about religion. I do however enjoy discussing religious ideas openly and honestly, but I can't stand this sort of bigotry, ignorance and intolerance when it comes to any religion, much less my own.

Also, I could care less whether we get a Mormon in a political office.

Thanks, that's all.

[diethx]

Forums for other games you no longer play no doubt.

/inspire

No DOUBT.


This is hilarious.

Being as I'm the known forum Mormon

You are?

[Inspire]

This is hilarious.

Being as I'm the known forum Mormon and an Independent. (Yes my mother and step-father are staunch Republicans and I hate it.) I can officially tell you that you are completely delusional when it comes to what you think we believe.

Google is obviously the best source for learning about a religion, right? I don't typically respond to shameless trolling like this, but I feel the need to today.

If you want to read about what we actually believe, feel free to visit www.mormon.org (www.mormon.org)or www.lds.org

Or feel free to PM me if you have legitimate questions. I'll ignore any and all trolls as I'm not interested in arguing about religion. I do however enjoy discussing religious ideas openly and honestly, but I can't stand this sort of bigotry, ignorance and intolerance when it comes to any religion, much less my own.

Also, I could care less whether we get a Mormon in a political office.

Thanks, that's all.



How many wives do you have?

[~Rocktar~]

This is hilarious.

Being as I'm the known forum Mormon and an Independent. (Yes my mother and step-father are staunch Republicans and I hate it.) I can officially tell you that you are completely delusional when it comes to what you think we believe.

Google is obviously the best source for learning about a religion, right? I don't typically respond to shameless trolling like this, but I feel the need to today.

If you want to read about what we actually believe, feel free to visit www.mormon.org (www.mormon.org)or www.lds.org

Or feel free to PM me if you have legitimate questions. I'll ignore any and all trolls as I'm not interested in arguing about religion. I do however enjoy discussing religious ideas openly and honestly, but I can't stand this sort of bigotry, ignorance and intolerance when it comes to any religion, much less my own.

Also, I could care less whether we get a Mormon in a political office.

Thanks, that's all.

Hate to say it, despite the fact I think you are fucked in the head for being Mormon, I had to wonder where the bullshit above came from. Now I DO know of some really obscure sects of supposed Christianity that get off on the space alien thing, but really, the Mormons? The lost golden plates thing and holy underwear is enough no need for everyone getting a planet for you to be out of your mind.

[waywardgs]

Jon Smith is like the Aston Kutcher of religion.

[Thickbeard]

Is Satan Jesus' brother?

[Thickbeard]

Also:

http://youtu.be/1k1SjN4wkLQ

This guy is hilarious.

[diethx]

Hate to say it, despite the fact I think you are fucked in the head for being Mormon, I had to wonder where the bullshit above came from. Now I DO know of some really obscure sects of supposed Christianity that get off on the space alien thing, but really, the Mormons? The lost golden plates thing and holy underwear is enough no need for everyone getting a planet for you to be out of your mind.

Yeah, those crazy fucked in the head Mormons. They should practice something totally normal and rational... like Gor.

[Rinualdo]

They should practice something totally normal and rational... like Gor.

Motherfucking this.

[BriarFox]

Space alien thing sounds like Scientology, really. There are some Mormon sects that have incredibly bizarre beliefs, though. But then, there are pretty much delusional religious nuts wherever you look.

[pabstblueribbon]

Eh. The ancient alien idea isn't as rare as you would think. Look at Vedic scriptures, the Hopi and Zuni civilizations, Sumerians, hell, even Christianity.

We ourselves would be gods to primitive civilizations with our current technologies.. in vitro fertilization (virgin Mary anyone?).. genetic manipulation.. etcetera.

I've always kind of thought of God (as we know him/it/them) as an alien anyways, so maybe I'm seeing more there than there is. Then again it does explain a lot things in almost every religion very conveniently.

Edit: Almost forgot. I find this picture relevant to the topic of religion AND penii.

http://imgur.com/6RCv8.jpg

http://pigroll.com/img/my_head_is_shaped_like_a_dick.jpg

[4a6c1]

Those JesusAbs look like secret cockandballs.

[Paradii]

Those JesusAbs look like secret cockandballs.

Yes Rojo, that was the point of the fail part of the picture.

[Sam]

Aliens. Hmmph. Don't be ridiculous. It was a talking snake and a tree.

[diethx]

Aliens. Hmmph. Don't be ridiculous. It was a talking snake and a tree.

I lol'd.

[Mohrgan]

I also lol'd


Aliens. Hmmph. Don't be ridiculous. It was a talking snake and a tree.

[Parkbandit]

Eh. The ancient alien idea isn't as rare as you would think. Look at Vedic scriptures, the Hopi and Zuni civilizations, Sumerians, hell, even Christianity.

We ourselves would be gods to primitive civilizations with our current technologies.. in vitro fertilization (virgin Mary anyone?).. genetic manipulation.. etcetera.

I've always kind of thought of God (as we know him/it/them) as an alien anyways, so maybe I'm seeing more there than there is. Then again it does explain a lot things in almost every religion very conveniently.



God is, according to the Bible, an alien being.

[Sam]

God is, according to the Bible, an alien being.

Yeah, i mean come on, he named his kid Jesus.

[AnticorRifling]

So he's mexican?

[Parkbandit]

So he's mexican?

Racist. They like to be called "Pre Hispanic Americans". Get it fucking straight.

[ClydeR]

Being as I'm the known forum Mormon and an Independent. (Yes my mother and step-father are staunch Republicans and I hate it.) I can officially tell you that you are completely delusional when it comes to what you think we believe.

Google is obviously the best source for learning about a religion, right? I don't typically respond to shameless trolling like this, but I feel the need to today.

If you want to read about what we actually believe, feel free to visit www.mormon.org (www.mormon.org)or www.lds.org


If you believe I got something specific wrong, then don't be bashful. Spit it out. Otherwise, thanks for providing those links. I definitely encourage anybody who wants to know more to look it up for themselves.

[ClydeR]

Continuing with the list...


Mormons believe Jesus' mother was not a virgin. They do not believe in the immaculate conception.


Mormons believe the president of the Mormon church speaks directly to God. That's even better than being the Pope.

[AnticorRifling]

What's their stance on boy love and sweet hats?

[Showal]

What's their stance on boy love and sweet hats?

I wonder what their stance is on having their name sullied.

[~Rocktar~]

Yeah, those crazy fucked in the head Mormons. They should practice something totally normal and rational... like Gor.

Because a role play environment based off some books totally equals a religious lifestyle and practices of one of the larger sects of Christianity. Riiiiigggghhtttttt.

HERP DERP!

Grow the fuck up you moronic cunt, go buy a douche and wash the sand out of your vagina. You are just pissed that no matter what the setting you are still too useless to justify breathing.



Motherfucking this.

More of the same quality content from the moron parade. Put your helmet back on and stop licking the glass. Your ride on the short bus will be over soon enough.

[Showal]

Because a role play environment based off some books totally equals a religious lifestyle and practices of one of the larger sects of Christianity. Riiiiigggghhtttttt.

HERP DERP!

Grow the fuck up you moronic cunt, go buy a douche and wash the sand out of your vagina. You are just pissed that no matter what the setting you are still too useless to justify breathing.




More of the same quality content from the moron parade. Put your helmet back on and stop licking the glass. Your ride on the short bus will be over soon enough.

Actually, a very strong argument could be made that Christianity as a whole is a role play environment based off some books.

Don't agree? Good luck proving me wrong.

[~Rocktar~]

Actually, a very strong argument could be made that Christianity as a whole is a role play environment based off some books.

Don't agree? Good luck proving me wrong.

It's a decent argument, but then again it could be applied to nearly anything and everything so not very potent.

[waywardgs]

Showal, squiggles just called you impotent. You should prove him wrong, gor-style.

[Showal]

It's a decent argument, but then again it could be applied to nearly anything and everything so not very potent.

Did you just call me impotent? I put on my Pope hat and open the distance to 15 feet.

[diethx]

I love when Squiggles gets his Gorean-style manpanties (designed to withstand even the most productive lactating heated slutbeasts) in a bunch.

[~Rocktar~]

Did you just call me impotent? I put on my Pope hat and open the distance to 15 feet.

You need to trade that Mitre for some Midol. However, if the dick fits, suck it.

[kookiegod]

My thanks to Styr for having a very intelligent conversation. It was enjoyable.

[kookiegod]

My thanks to Styr for having a very intelligent conversation on Mormanism. It was enjoyable.

[Rinualdo]

My thanks to Styr for having a very intelligent conversation. It was enjoyable.


My thanks to Styr for having a very intelligent conversation on Mormanism. It was enjoyable.

You drunk again?

[Showal]

You need to trade that Mitre for some Midol. However, if the dick fits, suck it.

There you go again with your personal attacks, adding nothing to the conversation.

[ClydeR]

More Mormon beliefs...


Mormons believe people who drink coffee are sinners.


Mormons believe the Garden of Eden was in Kansas City where the first two humans were created. That could be true. God would have wanted the Garden of Eden to be in the United States and not some foreign country. When Eve ate the forbidden apple, they got kicked out of the United States.

[pabstblueribbon]

More Mormon beliefs...

Mormons believe people who drink coffee are sinners.
Mormons believe the Garden of Eden was in Kansas City where the first two humans were created. That could be true. God would have wanted the Garden of Eden to be in the United States and not some foreign country. When Eve ate the forbidden apple, they got kicked out of the United States.

Well, Kansas City is pretty effing sweet.

[ClydeR]

More Mormon stuff...


Mormons believe God changed His mind about black people in 1978, allowing them to be full Mormons. They know He changed His mind because He said so when speaking privately to the church president. That's different -- crucially different -- from the history of Christians. Modern Christians believe their predecessors were mistaken about God's plan for black people. Modern Mormons believe they did what God wanted by discriminating against black people because God viewed black people as less worthy until 1978 when God changed His mind. The Mormon belief is offensive.


Mormons believe you can never be forgiven for the sin of murder. Christians believe you can be forgiven for murder.

[Parkbandit]

Do they even have Mormons in your country, "ClydeR"?

[ClydeR]

Unbelievable...


Mormons believe ancient Jews sailed to the Americas from Jerusalem about 4,000 years before Columbus and multiplied to the point that there were buildings from coast to coast, until their empire ended around 400 A.D. in a terrible war. They rode horses, used chariots in battle, had cattle and elephants, grew wheat, made extensive use of written words, and used metal, including metal coins and steel. Nobody knows what happened to their buildings, and there is no archaeological evidence whatsoever of their culture. Those ancient Jews, Mormons believe, were the ancestors of Native Americans.


About 100,000 Mormons attend an outdoor play every year at the Hill Cumorah in Palmyra, New York. Mormons believe that the final battle between the good Native American Jews and the bad Native American Jews took place on the hill around 400 A.D. They believe that more than a million people died in the course of several battles on the hill. The Mormon Church bought the hill and refuses to allow any excavation. The refusal to allow excavation is interesting because the Mormon Church has sponsored archaeological missions -- all unsuccessful -- throughout the Americas to try to find proof of the cities and events described in their scriptures.

[Warriorbird]

Do they even have Mormons in your country, "ClydeR"?

They wanted to make sure the penis pond was separate from vaj mini golf.

[Stry]

Unbelievable...

...how uninformed you are. There's plenty of 'evidence'. But that's never been what religion is supposed to be about, so we don't excavate. Even if something was found, it wouldn't 'prove' anything to anyone.

Apparently you've never heard of the Aztecs, Incas or Myans. Or about how these groups had a belief that a 'white god' or their 'sun god' would return to visit them someday and basically welcome the Spanish Conquistadors with open arms, thinking they were gods.

Conquistadors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conquistador) and Quetzalcoatl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quetzalcoatl)

"Since the sixteenth century it has been widely held that the Aztec Emperor Moctezuma II initially believed the landing of Hernán Cortés in 1519 to be Quetzalcoatl's return."

Hrm, I wonder where that belief came from? Sure sounds like it came stemmed from this: 3 Nephi 11 (http://lds.org/scriptures/bofm/3-ne/11?lang=eng) This is when Christ visited the American continent after his crucifixion and resurrection in Isreal.

Also, there were two different groups in the Book of Mormon.

I love how you call them 'Jews'. The word 'Jews' comes from 'Judah' or one of the 12 tribes of Isreal. And neither group who came to the Americas was from the tribe of Judah

One originated from the time of the tower of Babel. So at least 4-5k BC. A while after the time of Noah. They were known as the Jaredites. After the fall of the tower of Babel, they travelled for time and settled in the Americas where they had an extensive civilization. Primarily southern America. This group was indeed wiped out by war after a few thousand years.

Another group came around 600 BC from Jerusalem. (Book of Jeramiah timeframe in the Bible.) This were actually from the tribe of Joseph, the second youngest son of Jacob( Joseph and Egypt with the coat of many colors.)

This group left Jerusalem, and you read about this if you sit and start reading the beginning of the Book of Mormon. It is painfully obvious that you've never done this ClydeR.

...

The Hill Camora Pagent, is just that. A Pagent and a tradition over in New York. I've never been to this pagent, though I hear it's a big deal over there and it's not just 100k mormons. Many aren't LDS who go as it's a public event about Church History and the history of the Book of Mormon. Most people find it interesting from a historical/educational standpoint if nothing else.

Also, we don't believe it is the EXACT hill mentioned in the scriptures from 4000 years ago. And the reason we don't excavate is because this isn't some tiny hill, it's several square miles of New York hills and roads, you're not going to find remnants of a battle from 4000 years ago. Even if something were dug up, it wouldn't change or prove a thing about what people believe about our religion.

Ignorance is bliss ClydeR. Keep trolling.

These short, blanket comments claiming that we believe this or that are like a highschool graduate pulling a carburetor out of a car, walking into a classroom of people with no mechanical experience and trying to teach them how it functions within the car by holding up the one part shouting about it. After he’s done, he puts it down, and holds up a lug nut, and shouts some more about how the car cannot function without it.

It doesn’t work and doesn’t make sense.

Again, if anyone has questions about any of ClydeR's other 'claims'. I'm perfectly happy to address them in a private, non-troll filled enviroment.

I've actually (for my own entertainment/study) went through and wrote detailed responses and explainations to each of his 'claims' in this thread. If anyone would like to read it, PM me and I can get it to you.

I won't post it here as most of you would think it was TL;DR.

Thanks.

[Cephalopod]

http://hypervocal.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Misc-Do_not_feed_the_trolls.jpg

I keep reading the title of this thread as "The Republican Moron Problem".

[Paradii]

.

Thanks.

Even when you explain it, it sounds like a complete mass of bullshit. But so do all religions.


Keep drinking the kool-aid.

[ClydeR]

...how uninformed you are. There's plenty of 'evidence'. But that's never been what religion is supposed to be about, so we don't excavate. Even if something was found, it wouldn't 'prove' anything to anyone.

Do you mean to tell me that you really believe there were horses and wheat and steel weapons in America prior to the arrival of Europeans?

Most of the cities mentioned in Bible have been found. Many of them still exist today. The archaeological and extra-Biblical history of those places largely comports with Biblical history. Relics abound from the times and places described in the Bible.

Not so with the cities mentioned in the Book of Mormon. None of them have ever been found. No steel sword has been found. No building sites. None of their writing. Not one coin. Nothing.

Why? Because it's all made up.

You believe it -- or as the Mormons are fond of saying, you "know" it -- because you were taught it as a child. It takes an extraordinary person to shake off comforting religious teachings of childhood and evaluate the evidence with an impartially critical eye. That's the kind of extraordinary person we need as a president. But someone like Romney, who unquestioningly accepts a demonstrably false religion, is not qualified to be president.

Most religions cannot be completely proven to be true or false, thus creating the necessity of faith. Mormonism is the exception.

[ClydeR]

I've actually (for my own entertainment/study) went through and wrote detailed responses and explainations to each of his 'claims' in this thread. If anyone would like to read it, PM me and I can get it to you.

I'm not interested in private messages. I believe in open and transparent discussion. That's why I encourage people to double check me and publicly report their results. It's easy to do. People who double check me will find that, as always, I have faithfully reported the truth.

[Showal]

I'm not interested in private messages. I believe in open and transparent discussion. That's why I encourage people to double check me and publicly report their results. It's easy to do. People who double check me will find that, as always, I have faithfully reported the truth.

Faithfully? Always? ClydeR, you told everyone you were a doctor and owned 50 something acres of land with a cock pond on it.

Remember this: http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?t=62385 ?

Remember when fact checking proved your story wrong?

[Parkbandit]

Do you mean to tell me that you really believe there were horses and wheat and steel weapons in America prior to the arrival of Europeans?

According to fossil records, horses are thought to have originated in North America. They migrated to Asia/Europe through the Bering land bridge and ended up going extinct in North America around 10,000 BC.

But really.. why do you Canadians hate Mormons so much? I can understand that you dislike all organized religion, but you really seem to have it out for the Mormons for some reason. Why?

[ClydeR]

Faithfully? Always? ClydeR, you told everyone you were a doctor and owned 50 something acres of land with a cock pond on it.

Remember this: http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?t=62385

So that's what all those recent weird posts have been about. Thanks for explaining it! I am not that person. If anybody else posts cliaming to be Clyde, you can be sure it is nothing more than a wannabe. How could you entertain for longer than a few minutes such a notion? The inimitable differences should be obvious. I bet you don't even believe it.

[Tgo01]

So that's what all those recent weird posts have been about. Thanks for explaining it! I am not that person. If anybody else posts cliaming to be Clyde, you can be sure it is nothing more than a wannabe. How could you entertain for longer than a few minutes such a notion? The inimitable differences should be obvious. I bet you don't even believe it.

I never thought anyone could be more pathetic than IW but here you are!

[Showal]

I never thought anyone could be more pathetic than IW but here you are!

Nice job quoting it.

[Ceyrin]

http://www.operatorchan.org/r/src/r10466_fuck%20this%20thread%20outta%20here.jpg

[Stry]

ClydeR is Tabor? ... no wonder.

[Fortybox]

A great website that responds to many of these old arguments can be found at www.fairlds.org. It is an apologetics website that gives good informed arguments about the Mormon faith.

These typical regurgitated arguments are annoying to hear as many individuals have written excellent responses against them. I really dislike ignorance and this website is a good place for anyone to take a look at to better understand the LDS faith from an apologetics stand point.

[Parkbandit]

ClydeR is Tabor? ... no wonder.

No.

[4a6c1]

No.

You people need to make up your mind.

[Latrinsorm]

You people need to make up your mind.I thought we had, rather repeatedly on this issue.

[Parkbandit]

You people need to make up your mind.

What do you mean, "you people"?

[Lord Orbstar]

Their is no God but God and Mohammed is his prophet.

[Paradii]

*There

[ClydeR]

I always stay away from discussing personalities in the forum and focus on issues. Instead of launching unfounded personal attacks against me, Certain People should be focused on the discussion. The issue is the threat to our country posed by Mormonism and the Mormon presidential candidates, a discussion that continues...



Historically -- by which I mean on one or more documented occasions -- Mormons massacred large numbers of non-Mormon adults and their children, except for children under the age of 8, whom the Mormons stole to recruit to their polygamous Mormon lifestyle. They stopped doing that in modern times, as far as we know.


Mormons today are strong supporters of marriage between one man and one woman, and they have spent bajillions of dollars to stop homosexual "marriage" in other states. Mormons are the largest donors of money to protect traditional marriage.






http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo166/rmi08a/SeptemberDawnMoviePoster.jpg

Trailer for September Dawn (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0qxsaBkAiU)
More About the Other 9/11 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1VLqGjTLWw)

[Parkbandit]

Canada has the 11th most number of Mormons.. but it still only represents a small fraction of the population. Looking at the statistics closer, it looks like you should move to the Newfoundland and Labrador.. as only .1% of the populations are LDS.

I think you should stick to your crusade against Christianity.. they pose a far bigger threat to your atheism.

[Warriorbird]

Canada has the 11th most number of Mormons.. but it still only represents a small fraction of the population. Looking at the statistics closer, it looks like you should move to the Newfoundland and Labrador.. as only .1% of the populations are LDS.

I think you should stick to your crusade against Christianity.. they pose a far bigger threat to your atheism.

10 to 1, Tabor goes to church.

[Parkbandit]

10 to 1, Tabor goes to church.

100 to 1, ClydeR isn't Tabor.

[Tgo01]

100 to 1, ClydeR isn't Tabor.

I dunno, they both did seem to disappear around the same time.

What are your bets?

[Showal]

I dunno, they both did seem to disappear around the same time.

What are your bets?

They have also shared signatures in the past, Tabor also admitted it ... But he is also a liar.

[Parkbandit]

I dunno, they both did seem to disappear around the same time.

What are your bets?

Tabor doesn't fit the profile... and let's be honest, he's simply not smart enough to pull this off.

[pabstblueribbon]

Wasn't ClydeR his fathers initials or at least, one of the people that did work at the hospital that he claimed to be a surgeon at?

I remember someone looking up the staff of the hospital in question, also, some.. facebook thing.. thing.

[ClydeR]

Get ready, cause this stuff's about to get heavy...



Joseph Smith, the inventor of Mormonism, bought some scrolls from a traveling exhibit of Egyptian mummies. He "translated" the scrolls into the Book of Abraham. Some of the scrolls were destroyed in a fire. Modern Egyptologists have examined the remainder of the scrolls and say that they are just routine burial scrolls that do not translate to anything remotely similar to what Joseph Smith claimed. Mormons counter that the good part of the scrolls must have been destroyed in the fire. Examination of the scrolls by modern Egyptologists has been a source of continuing embarrassment for the Mormon Church. At the same time he bought the scrolls, he also bought the mummies, which is a story for another day.


Mormons believe Joseph Smith found some gold plates that he translated into the Book of Mormon, but he wasn't allowed to show the plates to his followers, and an angel came and took the plates away after he finished translating them. For historical context, Smith's epiphany occurred during the Second Great Awakening in New York's "Burned-Over District" -- a time and place where people were especially naive in spiritual matters.

[Warriorbird]

Tabor doesn't fit the profile... and let's be honest, he's simply not smart enough to pull this off.

He's successfully trolled a number of forums but you may be right.

[ClydeR]

Thinkest thou on this...


Like the King James Bible, the Book of Mormon is written in Early Modern English, a form of English that faded from use in the 1600s. Joseph Smith translated the Book of Mormon around 1830 based on gold plates buried in 421 A.D. that Smith claimed were written in "Reformed Egyptian." Why did he translate it into Early Modern English? Deep in your heart, you know the answer.


The original translation of the Book of Mormon by Joseph Smith was riddled with grammatical errors. That would be understandable for someone attempting to mimic the style of King James Bible without being expert in Early Modern English, with its unfamiliar pronouns and weird verb inflections. Those errors have been corrected in current editions.

[Parkbandit]

http://chzmemebase.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/memes-mormons-gonna-morm.jpg

[~Rocktar~]

Thinkest thou on this...


Like the King James Bible, the Book of Mormon is written in Early Modern English, a form of English that faded from use in the 1600s. Joseph Smith translated the Book of Mormon around 1830 based on gold plates buried in 421 A.D. that Smith claimed were written in "Reformed Egyptian." Why did he translate it into Early Modern English? Deep in your heart, you know the answer.


The original translation of the Book of Mormon by Joseph Smith was riddled with grammatical errors. That would be understandable for someone attempting to mimic the style of King James Bible without being expert in Early Modern English, with its unfamiliar pronouns and weird verb inflections. Those errors have been corrected in current editions.


Wasn't Joseph Smith illiterate? Didn't he dictate the translation to someone on the other side of a sheet so they could transcribe his words?

[ClydeR]

Wasn't Joseph Smith illiterate? Didn't he dictate the translation to someone on the other side of a sheet so they could transcribe his words?

No, Joseph Smith was not illiterate. He was home schooled. He was apparently highly intelligent and, beyond the rudimentary basics, mostly self-taught.

Yes, Joseph Smith allegedly dictated the Book of Mormon. He couldn't write it himself with his head in a hat. He had to keep his head in the hat to maintain the reflection he was reading from and to be sure he spelled all of the words correctly.

[~Rocktar~]

No, Joseph Smith was not illiterate. He was home schooled. He was apparently highly intelligent and, beyond the rudimentary basics, mostly self-taught.

Well, he was smart enough to scam a whole group of people into converting to his version of Middle Eastern Death Cult, that is true.


Yes, Joseph Smith allegedly dictated the Book of Mormon. He couldn't write it himself with his head in a hat. He had to keep his head in the hat to maintain the reflection he was reading from and to be sure he spelled all of the words correctly.

Uh huh.

[ClydeR]

There's a sucker born every minute...


Before he founded the Mormon church, Joseph Smith worked as a psychic. For a fee, he used magic stones to tell people where to find silver mines and hidden treasure under the ground. Smith would put the magic stones in his hat and then look into the hat, claiming to be able to see what was underground. He was taken before a New York court, where he lived at the time, for this fraudulent scheme. The Mormon church fiercely denied that it ever happened, until the original court records were found in 1971 in the basement of an old courthouse. Most Mormons are completely ignorant of this historical fact, yet it's similar to what Joseph Smith later claimed happened when an angel revealed to him the location of buried gold plates and "seer stones" with which to translate the plates. Smith put the stones in his hat and then looked into the hat to translate the plates. The plates weren't actually in the hat, just the magic stones. The plates were at some far away secret location where Smith had hidden them for safekeeping, but he could still see them in the hat.


Boo-yah! Clyde wins.
Game, set, match.



Almost nobody outside of the Mormon church knows about it, but on the first Sunday of each month, Mormons dispense with their usual arcane and creepy worship services and, instead, hold a "Testimony Meeting" to recruit and indoctrinate exploitable people with emotional stories shared by other members of the church. There's lots of crying. The worst part is that children who are just old enough to speak are made to stand in front of the group and recite Mormon dogma. I call that child abuse.

[ClydeR]

Uh huh.

I just notice your signature with the Abraham Lincoln quote. Pretty funny.

[ClydeR]

Plagiarism and secret handshakes...


Extended passages from the Book of Mormon are identical -- word for word -- to passages in the King James version of the Bible. If both were inspired by God, that would be understandable. However, certain words in the King James version of the Bible were added by translators to comply with English grammar. Those added words from the King James version of the Bible are also copied word for word in the Book of Mormon. Joseph Smith claimed to have received the text of the Book of Mormon from a hat, not by copying the King James Bible.


Mormons have several secret handshakes to identify themselves to other Mormons. They also have secret passwords that they adopted 150 years ago -- which everybody knows is too long to keep the same password. Joseph Smith stole the idea for the handshakes and passwords from the Masons. After founding the Mormon church, Smith joined the Masons and shortly thereafter introduced the handshakes and passwords into the Mormon church. When they learn the handshakes and passwords, Mormons take an oath never to reveal them, and they agree that if they do, then the Church may either slit their throat or disembowel them. I heard that a former Mormon posted the handshakes on the Youtube, being careful not to show his face. I sure hope they don't find out who he is and send the Danites to disembowel him.

[~Rocktar~]

Plagiarism and secret handshakes...


Extended passages from the Book of Mormon are identical -- word for word -- to passages in the King James version of the Bible. If both were inspired by God, that would be understandable. However, certain words in the King James version of the Bible were added by translators to comply with English grammar. Those added words from the King James version of the Bible are also copied word for word in the Book of Mormon. Joseph Smith claimed to have received the text of the Book of Mormon from a hat, not by copying the King James Bible.


Mormons have several secret handshakes to identify themselves to other Mormons. They also have secret passwords that they adopted 150 years ago -- which everybody knows is too long to keep the same password. Joseph Smith stole the idea for the handshakes and passwords from the Masons. After founding the Mormon church, Smith joined the Masons and shortly thereafter introduced the handshakes and passwords into the Mormon church. When they learn the handshakes and passwords, Mormons take an oath never to reveal them, and they agree that if they do, then the Church may either slit their throat or disembowel them. I heard that a former Mormon posted the handshakes on the Youtube, being careful not to show his face. I sure hope they don't find out who he is and send the Danites to disembowel him.



Oh, but the publicity for a good disembowling would be so grand. Far more than the child molesting polygamist in Texas (I think it was texas) I bet.

[TheEschaton]

They also have secret passwords that they adopted 150 years ago -- which everybody knows is too long to keep the same password.

I LOL'ed.

[ClydeR]

Put this in your pipe and smoke it...


Mormons believe that the area around Independence, Missouri, is sacred land. They believe that before the second coming of Christ, a great temple will be built in Independence. And from that temple, Christ will rule over the earth for 1,000 years. Before any Mormons reading this decide to move to Independence, think about the fact that the city of Independence will have to be razed first. Joseph Smith, the founder of Mormonism and the first prophet of the Mormon church, said, "I will be to this generation a second Mohammed, whose motto in treating for peace was 'the Alcoran or the Sword.' So shall it eventually be with us -- 'Joseph Smith or the Sword!'" If Mormons have their way, it won't be good to be a resident of that town when they decide they're ready to build the temple to usher in Christ's return to this planet. When asked about his view of Mormon beliefs on Missouri, Romney refused to disclose his position.


Brigham Young, the second prophet of the Mormon Church, said, "The time is coming when justice will be laid to the line and righteousness to the plummet; when we shall take the old broadsword and ask, Are you for God? And if you are not heartily on the Lord's side, you will be hewn down." The Danites, the military arm of the Mormon Church, routinely executed people deemed insufficiently faithful to Mormonism, usually by dragging the person out of bed in the middle of the night and slitting his throat, always being careful to cause the victim's blood to soak into the ground. Mormon leaders convinced their Danite troops that they were saving the souls of those people through "blood atonement."

[ClydeR]

On the persistent problem of racism by Mormons...


According to the third prophet of the Mormon Church, Satan saved some black people from the flood in Noah's time so that Satan would have representatives on earth after the flood.


Mormons believe that each of us existed as spirits on another planet before becoming human. Some spirits in pre-existence were good, and they became the humans with white skin. Others were not good, and they became the humans with dark skin. That's why Mormon employers may be reluctant to hire black people if the Mormon employer believes that a black person has already failed once in pre-existence and would be likely to fail again as an employee. Coincidentally or not, employment discrimination cases are common against Mormon employers and against companies with significant numbers of Mormon managers. It's also why, of all the Republican candidates for 2012, Mitt Romney is the one who is most overtly hostile to Obama.

[CrystalTears]

We're all waiting for you to return to your planet.

[Parkbandit]

We're all waiting for you to return to your planet.

http://funwhenbored.com/graphics/country_glitters/country_glitters/canada.gif

[ClydeR]

Semper ubi sub ubi...


Mormons wear blessed underwear with sacred runes on it that they get when they undergo a special "endowment" ceremony in their temple. The underwear is specially designed to protect the wearer from the temptation to do evil. Although it's not official doctrine, Mormons believe the underwear protects them from injuries (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cC1VHMQmAUw) in car wrecks and other accidents. Mormons still have to drive carefully, though, because children aren't given magic underwear. Mormons in the military can mail their military-approved undershirts to the church to have the special protective runes applied. I'm trying to find out if they just do this for the United States military or if they do it for Mormons in other militaries too, because if they give magically armored underwear to other countries' militaries, then that would be treason.


Mormons convert dead people to Mormonism. The dead person's body need not be present, and they don't ask for anybody's permission. They converted the dead Holocaust victims. They converted Obama's grandmother. They probably converted your dead relatives too.

[ClydeR]

Mormons are magically delicious...


Nobody knows why, but for some reason Mormons go crazy over Lucky Charms cereal. They absolutely love it. They eat it dry. They eat it with milk on it. They've created recipes that use it as an ingredient. Seriously. I hesitated to post this, fearing that some of you might think it's so silly that I must have made it up. But at the risk of impairing my good reputation, I think everybody needs to know it. I'm still investigating why Mormons like it so much. I have a theory, but nothing concrete yet, and I don't want to put anything in this thread that I can't definitively prove.


Young Mormon men are expected to spend two years on missionary duty (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vA1IMSRN2Xk). The missionaries do not get to choose their destination -- supposedly. Mormon women are permitted, but not required, to serve missionary duties, but they can only serve for up to 18 months, since they need to get back to having babies. Mitt Romney's missionary duty was in Le Havre, which explains his French mannerisms (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyP2M0DTch8).


When I first started posting about Mormons, Romney was widely leading in the polls. Now he's a distant second (http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2011/08/29/cnn-poll-perry-leads-gop-race-even-if-palin-runs/). Cause and effect.

This completes two weeks worth of things you probably didn't know about Mormonism. That's all for now.

[ClydeR]

For some reason, the Baptists did a poll (http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?id=36304) of American Protestant pastors about Mormons. The result was that 75% say Mormons are not Christians.

[Parkbandit]

Man, you sure do have a hard-on for Mormons.

PS - Christie is going to endorse A MORMON for US President!! What will the Canadians think????

[4a6c1]

Do skid marks count as sacred runes on underwear? Because I think I might be a mormon.






































(lol gross, jk jk!)

[ClydeR]

Romney is using busloads of Mormons from Utah to fake the appearance of enthusiasm and momentum in South Carolina.


GREENVILLE, South Carolina--Outside Tommy's Ham House here this morning--where Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich scheduled back-to-back visits--a boisterous crowd of young, fresh-faced supporters was waving Romney signs and chanting, "MITT! MITT! MITT!"

But this wasn't a grassroots youth movement rooted at the University of South Carolina. No, many of the students cheering on the candidate told BuzzFeed they were actually BYU students and young Mormons from D.C. and Virginia who traveled to the Palmetto State to give their coreligionist's presidential effort a much-needed jolt of energy.

More... (http://www.buzzfeed.com/mckaycoppins/byu-students-bus-in-to-south-carolina-to-rally-for)

[ClydeR]

Whoa! Even though I read up a lot on Mormonism over the summer, I never even hear of the White Horse Prophecy until now. It's sobering to think that we may have someone who wants to turn ourw government into a Mormon theocracy close to getting the Republican nomination. I can only hope people read this article and wake up.


Upon completion of his foreign mission, he immersed himself in the 1970 senatorial campaign of his mother, Lenore Romney, who was running against Phillip Hart in the Michigan general election. That same year, the Cougar Club — the all male, all white social club at Brigham Young University in Salt Lake City (blacks were excluded from full membership in the Mormon church until 1978) — was humming with talk that its president, Mitt Romney, would become the first Mormon president of the United States. “If not Mitt, then who?” was the ubiquitous slogan within the elite organization. The pious world of BYU was expected to spawn the man who would lead the Mormons into the White House and fulfill the prophecies of the church’s founder, Joseph Smith Jr., which Romney has avidly sought to realize.

Romney avoids mentioning it, but Smith ran for president in 1844 as an independent commander in chief of an “army of God” advocating the overthrow of the U.S. government in favor of a Mormon-ruled theocracy. Challenging Democrat James Polk and Whig Henry Clay, Smith prophesied that if the U.S. Congress did not accede to his demands that “they shall be broken up as a government and God shall damn them.” Smith viewed capturing the presidency as part of the mission of the church. He had predicted the emergence of “the one Mighty and Strong” — a leader who would “set in order the house of God” — and became the first of many prominent Mormon men to claim the mantle.

Smith’s insertion of religion into politics and his call for a “theodemocracy where God and people hold the power to conduct the affairs of men in righteous matters” created a sensation and drew hostility from the outside world. But his candidacy was cut short when he was shot to death by an anti-Mormon vigilante mob. Out of Smith’s national political ambitions grew what would become known in Mormon circles as the “White Horse Prophecy” — a belief ingrained in Mormon culture and passed down through generations by church leaders that the day would come when the U.S. Constitution would “hang like a thread as fine as a silk fiber” and the Mormon priesthood would save it.

Romney is the product of this culture. At BYU, he was idolized by fellow students and referred to, only half jokingly, as the “One Mighty and Strong.”

More... (http://www.salon.com/2012/01/29/mitt_and_the_white_horse_prophecy/)


Called a “militant millennial movement” by renowned Mormon historian David L. Bigler, Mormonism’s founding theology was based upon a literal takeover of the U.S. government. In light of the theology and divine prophecies of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, unamended by the LDS hierarchy, it would seem that the office of the American presidency is the ultimate ecclesiastical position to which a Mormon leader might aspire. So it is not the LDS cosmology that is relevant to Romney’s candidacy, but whether devout 21stcentury Mormons like Romney believe that the American presidency is also a theological position.


At the recent GOP presidential debate in Florida, Romney professed that the Declaration of Independence is a theological document, not specific to the rebellious 13 colonies, but establishing a covenant “between God and man.” Which would suggest that Mitt Romney views the American presidency as a theological office.

[ClydeR]

Thumbing through Winston Groom's recent book Kearny's March: The Epic Creation of the American West, 1846-1847 (http://books.google.com/books?id=mcPJ7orMCVQC), I came across a few pages that address Mormon history. Groom, who also wrote the highly acclaimed Vicksburg, 1863 and the obscure novel Forrest Gump, delves into Mormon history prior to the death of Joseph Smith only to the extent necessary to set the stage for Mormon involvement in the settlement of the West.

This link should take you to the correct page http://books.google.com/books?id=mcPJ7orMCVQC&pg=PA149

It's what elitists would call "popular history."

Everything Groom reports is consistent with my account in this thread.

[Tgo01]

RED CARD ClydeR!

Three consecutive posts spaced at least a week apart and none of the posts have anything interesting to say.

[ClydeR]

More discussion of how Rubio's Mormon past will hurt his chances of being the VP nominee if Romney is the Pres. nominee..


On the campaign trail, Mr. Romney occasionally talks about faith and has mentioned his experiences in France in the late 1960s when he was a missionary; he never utters the word Mormon.

Yet his religion affects his campaign’s considerations and calculations. An example: Senator Marco Rubio of Florida, a conservative Catholic, is on the short list to be Mr. Romney’s running mate. A recent revelation that Mr. Rubio, as a child, attended a Mormon church with his parents unsettles some Republican strategists, who worry that the tidbit would provide a feast for conspiracy buffs.

There is debate within the party over whether Mr. Romney should directly address his religion. He gave a well-received speech four years ago that didn’t change anything.

Dr. Benson cautions that Mr. Romney has a delicate balancing act. He could appeal to the middle group, uninformed about Mormonism, by stressing his Christian values. That would pose other difficulties.

“If Romney says he’s a Christian, it drives evangelicals away,” Dr. Benson says.

More... (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/26/us/26iht-letter26.html?pagewanted=2)

[Warriorbird]

RED CARD ClydeR!

Three consecutive posts spaced at least a week apart and none of the posts have anything interesting to say.

Tgo01 = Mormon

[Tgo01]

Tgo01 = Mormon

Have you read The Book of Mormon lately?

[Warriorbird]

Have you read The Book of Mormon lately?

http://wpecdn.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/400x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/i/m/image_55678.jpg !

Honestly, I get where you're coming from. It was pretty poorly presented. It's better to post the crazy directly on the PC. People don't trust links.

[ClydeR]

The BBC has a controversial new documentary on Mormons. You can watch the whole thing here http://mormonisminvestigated.co.uk/2012/03/29/bbc-mormon-documentary/

The Brits don't seem to know what to make of a religion that departs so radically from the predominant Episcopal religion in Britain.

[ClydeR]

On this day in 1830, convicted fraudulent psychic Joseph Smith formally organized the Mormon church based on gold plates that he found buried in his back yard that he was not allowed to show to anybody else and that contained an alternate history of the Americas wholly inconsistent with the archaeological record. So happy 182nd birthday to the Mormons!

[4a6c1]

:lol:

[ClydeR]

On ABC's This Week this morning, Rick Warren explained a big difference between Christians and Mormons.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/04/rick-warren-fundamental-differences-between-mormons-and-christians/

[ClydeR]

The Montana governor who is known for vetoing bills with a branding iron got into some trouble with the Obama administration for pointing out that Romney's dad was "born on a polygamy commune in Mexico."


The Daily Beast contacted the office of Montana Gov. Brian Schweitzer today to talk about whether his state would be in play in the 2012 presidential election. About a half hour later, the governor called back, and he had a lot to say. He didn’t think that Montana would be a swing state, but the Democrat did say that Mitt Romney could have issues nationally because his father was “born on a polygamy commune in Mexico.”

More... (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/04/19/brian-schweitzer-mitt-romney-s-family-came-from-a-polygamy-commune-in-mexico.html)


In response to Governor Schweitzer’s comments, Obama campaign spokesperson Lis Smith said “Attacking a candidate's religion is out of bounds, and our campaign will not engage in it, and we don’t think others should either.”

It's undemocratic -- small "d" -- of the Obama administration to tell people that they can't discuss legitimate issues of religion.

[Ryvicke]

The Montana governor who is known for vetoing bills with a branding iron got into some trouble with the Obama administration for pointing out that Romney's dad was "born on a polygamy commune in Mexico."

It's undemocratic -- small "d" -- of the Obama administration to tell people that they can't discuss legitimate issues of religion.

I had to look up that branding iron shit...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/nobody_boy/branding.jpg

[ClydeR]

Estimates are that if Romney is elected, more than one million people will convert to Mormonism because of Romney's high profile.


Keller went on, "The Republican choice will be a member of the satanic Mormon cult who will never have to say a word for his cult to take advantage of their ultimate goal since they were founded 200 years ago, and that is to gain mainstream acceptance, giving them all the ammunition they need to aggressively seek converts to their cults beliefs. Conservative estimates are that they will gain at least 1 million new converts, meaning a Romney election will help insure at least 1 million souls will burn in hell for all eternity! Any 'Christian leader' who supports Romney obviously cares more about politics than souls!!!"

Keller concluded, "For Christians to vote with a clear conscience, they will have to pray hard about ALL candidates for President, meaning looking at the third party candidates as well.

More... (http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/9714219522.html)

[Latrinsorm]

Heh heh... Keller.

[Atlanteax]

ZOMG, Mitt & Ann Romney will see to it that we all dress like this:

http://1857massacre.com/MMM/Images/undrwrmo-couple.jpg

ClydeR, you are so very right about this being a 'Republican Mormon Problem'.

[ClydeR]

Republican Mitt Romney is about to become the first Mormon nominee for U.S. president on a major party ticket. That will give them a chance like no other to explain their tradition to the public, but the church’s many critics will have a bigger platform, too. And the vetting will take place amid the emotion of what may well be a nasty general election.

“People who have opposed Mormonism forever will use this as an opportunity,” said Robert Millet, a religion scholar at Brigham Young University who co-founded a pioneering evangelical-Mormon dialogue. “I don’t know if we’re ready for this kind of deluge.”

More... (http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/on-faith/mormon-church-girds-for-landmark-political-race-with-romney-as-prominent-face-of-the-faith/2012/05/03/gIQAxE8BzT_story.html)

Fortunately for the highly informed members of this forum, I was able to give you the deluge before it hit the less informed general public.

[Wrathbringer]

I think the Republican Douchebag Problem has more to do with Obama lite's lack of popularity than does his being mormon. Pick any of the gop debates and watch it. The guy just comes off like a db, amirite?

[Latrinsorm]

I still think a Kerry reference makes a lot more sense as a derogatory nickname for him.

[ClydeR]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekwiXQDdhSk

They had a song about Mormons to open the Tony Awards last night on CBS. The song was about how the Book of Mormon is an alternative history of America and about how Mormon missionaries go door to door trying to persuade people to believe it.

As I previously discussed in this thread, Mormons believe Jews came to America long before Columbus and that the Jews had horses and steel weapons and grew wheat and built concrete buildings from coast to coast, all of which is preposterous.

[Parkbandit]

I still think a Kerry reference makes a lot more sense as a derogatory nickname for him.

I know I would be very offended if someone called me a liberal.

[Tisket]

I know I would be very offended if someone called me a liberal.

You have to be a little more forgiving of the truly deranged. It's the liberal way.

[ClydeR]

About 150 Mormons participated in a mass resignation ceremony and signed a "Declaration of Independence from Mormonism" in Utah, the state where the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is based, on Saturday.

The group of Mormons, from Utah, Arizona, Idaho and a few other states, flashed signs saying, "Finally ExMormon," "Research the church" and "Transcend Mormonism," as they hiked Ensign Peak in Salt Lake City.

More... (http://www.christianpost.com/news/mormons-resign-en-masse-in-public-77497/)


Some feared their decision could cost them social or business connections they got through the LDS. "It's hard, so we have to be very careful," participant Robin Hansen was quoted as saying. He said he was leaving over a "culture of abuse" Mormons promote by stressing on obedience.

That's how cults work. They sort of like a roach motel. You can check in, but you can't check out.


Mormons deviate from Christianity's central tenets – the Trinity, the belief in one God in three Persons. They also believe Joseph Smith Jr. is the first latter-day prophet who restored the original Christian church in the 19th century in America. They believe the entire structure of Christian orthodoxy affirmed by the post-apostolic church is corrupt and false. Additionally, Latter-day Saints are often criticized for their belief in "divine" books of scripture, aside from the Bible, including the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price.

Inspiration for my signature this week.


Zilpha Larsen said her questions began when she discovered that the veracity of an allegedly accurate translation of ancient Egyptian writings that were included in sacred Mormon texts were in doubt. "Once you start doubting one thing, then everything becomes suspect," she said.

More... (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-usa-mormons-utahbre85s12i-20120629,0,7789584.story)

I bet she learned about that from my post earlier in this thread.

[ClydeR]

The AP reports that Romney bars reporters from filming him entering and leaving Mormon churches..


The family's devotion to the Mormon faith is a part of Romney's life that the electorate rarely sees. Romney almost never mentions it in public. And his campaign typically bars the media from seeing him participate in a religion that many Americans are unfamiliar with.

More... (http://news.yahoo.com/privately-devout-romney-worships-family-075740853.html)

I can't remember any other presidential candidate who was so ashamed of his religion.

[ClydeR]

In the 1970s, citizens of Provo, Utah, were promised that if they authorized the construction of a Mormon missionary training center in their city, none of the buildings would exceed five stories, so as not to block the residents' view of the Wasatch Mountains.

Now the training center proposes to build a nine story building. Town residents organized to present a petition to the city to stop the new building. At first, the church said it was a secular matter, involving normal zoning issues.

But then something changed. Word came down from the high Mormon muckety-muck that this had become an ecclesiastical matter. The muckety-muck represents God. The muckety-muck wants a taller building. Therefore God wants a taller building.

The church then extended an "invitation" to the local trouble makers to join them in asking the city to approve the building. The locals really have no choice, just like Romney will have no choice to obey if he is elected and they try to control him this way.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mckaycoppins/in-hyperlocal-controversy-concerns-over-mormon-ch

[ClydeR]

The new Businessweek cover..

http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo166/rmi08a/businessweek-cover-mormon.jpg

http://www.businessinsider.com/businessweek-mormon-cover-2012-7

[ClydeR]

Now, more than 150 years later, descendants of those first families of Mormonism are joining together in a new effort: delivering the White House to Mitt Romney, whose great-great-grandfather Miles Romney settled alongside many of their ancestors in Nauvoo in 1841 and joined their torturous migration.

These families — Marriotts, Rollinses, Gardners and others — have formed a financial bulwark and support network for Mr. Romney at every important point in his political career. Starting with his 1994 Senate race, moving into the 2002 Salt Lake City Olympics effort that became his political springboard and continuing through his first foray into presidential politics, they have been there to open doors, provide seed money and rally support.

More... (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/17/us/politics/support-for-romney-by-old-mormon-families.html)

They say in the article that they are supporting him because they want a Mormon in the White House, not because of his policies.

[ClydeR]

BOSTON — The head of the prominent Marriott hotel chain and fellow Mormon J.W. Marriott thanked Mitt Romney today during a Mormon church service for bringing “positive attention” to the religion, which is often considered to be shrouded in mystery.

“There has never been as much positive attention to the church, thanks to the wonderful campaign of Mitt Romney and his family,” Marriott said during a service at the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Wolfeboro, N.H., the lakeside town where the Romney family has a home.

More... (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/09/jw-marriott-thanks-romney-for-bringing-attention-to-mormonism/)

The only reason the attention is positive is because nobody in the news media has actually told the public what Mormons really believe or how the religion originated. If anybody in the news media were to tell the truth about Mormonism, the public would accuse the media of maliciously making it up because there's no way the public would think Mormons could actually believe it.


Marriott spoke about an interview he did in the 1990s with CBS News’ Mike Wallace for “60 Minutes,” retelling a story about the undergarments many practicing Mormons wear, another subject the Romneys have never discussed.

In that interview, which I linked to earlier in this thread, Marriott claimed that the underwear magically saved him from a fire.

[ClydeR]

Somebody has posted a bunch of videos showing the creepy things that Mormons do in the heart of their temples where outsiders are not allowed.

http://www.youtube.com/user/Newnamenoah

Did you know Mormons require women to weir veils while in certain parts of the temple?

[Showal]

Somebody has posted a bunch of videos showing the creepy things that Mormons do in the heart of their temples where outsiders are not allowed.

http://www.youtube.com/user/Newnamenoah

Did you know Mormons require women to weir veils while in certain parts of the temple?

If nothing else, you're clever and entertaining.

[Parkbandit]

If nothing else, you were clever and entertaining back in 2005.. for a week.

FTFY

[Showal]

FTFY

His stated reason for his edit is pretty funny this week.

[Parkbandit]

His stated reason for his edit is pretty funny this week.

Ah, I don't see the edit comments from Tapatalk

[Showal]

Ah, I don't see the edit comments from Tapatalk

Last edited by ClydeR; 10-23-2012 at 11:07 AM. Reason: Changed typo "Muslims" to "Mormons" in the last sentence.

[ClydeR]

Around the world and in the United States, where the faith was founded, the Mormon Church is grappling with a wave of doubt and disillusionment among members who encountered information on the Internet that sabotaged what they were taught about their faith, according to interviews with dozens of Mormons and those who study the church.

More... (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/21/us/some-mormons-search-the-web-and-find-doubt.html?_r=0#http://json8.nytimes.com/pages/national/index.jsonp)

I continue to be amazed by how many Mormons found this thread and started to doubt the things they were taught as children.

[Showal]

Good work Clyde!!

[ClydeR]

Mormons have learned to Photoshop..


Students say altered yearbook photos meant to shame them
Wasatch High » Bare shoulders covered, necklines moved up for some.

By Erin Alberty

The Salt Lake Tribune
First Published May 28 2014 10:28 pm • Last Updated May 30 2014 07:26 am

A group of female high school students in Wasatch County say their school took "modesty" standards too far when their yearbook photos were digitally altered to cover up skin.

Several girls at Wasatch High School opened their yearbooks this week to find sleeves and higher necklines drawn onto their images — in some cases haphazardly, they said.

More... (http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/58000870-78/baum-montoya-photos-yearbook.html.csp)

There's a photo gallery on the left side of the article with some before and after photos.

The Iranians did something similar (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/feb/25/michelle-obama-oscars-dress-iran) to a photo of Mrs. Obama.

[Latrinsorm]

It sounds to me like they had several people on the task, and as the Supreme Court has conclusively established that there is no objective standard for pornography, we get these varying results.

[~Rocktar~]

The Iranians missed her face.

[ClydeR]

Republicans are headed for ruin if they continue on this course.


LAS VEGAS — Rand Paul has quoted Mormon scripture in an op-ed. Jeb Bush has surrounded himself with Mormon surrogates and fundraisers. And Marco Rubio's backers are touting the candidate's childhood in the church to claim he could be "the first Mormon president."

More... (http://www.buzzfeed.com/mckaycoppins/republican-candidates-work-to-win-over-mitts-mormon-army-in#.gqr62LQoo)