Ignoring Ron Paul [Archive] - The Gemstone IV Players' Corner

Hulkein

08-16-2011, 01:55 PM

Probably not so good point, maybe I shouldn't be giving Drudge props, haha. Although he did have articles on Paul that were favorable prior to the Jon Stewart segment so I don't think he is intentionally hurting him.

I just saw newest Rasmussen poll (which has Perry doubling up Romney) and it said Paul has an unfavorable rating of 45% compared to 42% favorable. Kind of cemented what I have assumed which is that he can't win. It doesn't even matter if he's ignored, there are too many stupid Republicans who think we can police the world. I hate both parties.

Seran

08-16-2011, 08:40 PM

Manifest Destiny on a global scale.

Hulkein

08-16-2011, 10:08 PM

Drudge had an ad Paul just started running in Iowa and New Hampshire. It's cool that he actually has money to put these out: http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2011/08/16/ron-paul-rolls-out-ad-hes-the-one/?mod=google_news_blog

4a6c1

08-16-2011, 10:30 PM

Not suprising at all.

Back

08-17-2011, 12:19 AM

Its a shame that the man who inspired the current “Tea Party” gets hijacked by big-money-back-pocket republicans.

Tgo01

08-17-2011, 12:46 AM

Hulkein

08-17-2011, 10:51 AM

Yeah it's a quality ad.

sobrepasar

08-27-2011, 01:23 PM

lot of latino waking up to the issues and this guy is our man

Parkbandit

09-02-2011, 04:49 PM

You're a day early IW.

Parkbandit

09-12-2011, 10:05 AM

Damn I'm good....

WRoss

09-12-2011, 10:53 AM

http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/.a/6a00d8341c60fd53ef013488a86865970c-500wi

Hulkein

09-14-2011, 09:12 AM

I don't get the last few posts. Was something deleted?

Fallen

09-14-2011, 10:15 AM

Nah. I think PB predicted/guessed an alt of IW was posting in the thread before he was outted. The "Banned" poster a few posts up likely vindicated his guess.

Hulkein

09-14-2011, 01:45 PM

Ahh, I see. Thanks man.

WRoss

09-14-2011, 02:25 PM

I don't get the last few posts. Was something deleted?

I hope you get mine...

crb

09-14-2011, 02:45 PM

Its a shame that the man who inspired the current “Tea Party” gets hijacked by big-money-back-pocket republicans.

Ron Paul is Rick Santelli?

I like Ron Paul... most of the time. But when he starts blaming us for 9/11, saying a border fence would be built to keep us in, etc. The tin foil shows.

He is also a poor public speaker, he is smart, and can usually reason pretty well, but he stammers and comes off whiny. I don't know if he could be a front runner or a president, he seems to relish the role of scrappy underdog.

Androidpk

09-14-2011, 07:13 PM

How is his belief on 9/11 tin-foilish? It's not like he is claiming the US government flew the planes into the buildings. I think he is spot on in that our foreign policy really pisses off a lot of people, especially in regards to our heavy handed presence in the Middle East.

Hulkein

09-14-2011, 08:03 PM

Ron Paul is Rick Santelli?

I like Ron Paul... most of the time. But when he starts blaming us for 9/11, saying a border fence would be built to keep us in, etc. The tin foil shows.

He is also a poor public speaker, he is smart, and can usually reason pretty well, but he stammers and comes off whiny. I don't know if he could be a front runner or a president, he seems to relish the role of scrappy underdog.

Dude, he is not "blaming us" for 9/11. He is pointing out the truth which is that extremist Muslims attacked us for reasons, many of which revolve around us being in the Middle East. He's not blaming the people who died or citizens of the US but certain policy decisions that cause crazy people to do crazy things.

I liken it to a detective who explains a motive of an insane POS who killed someone. It doesn't mean he agrees with the motive or saying the motive was rational.

I do agree that he comes off too whiny. Hurts him a lot. If he was more charismatic he'd have a lot more points under his name in the polls.

Back

09-14-2011, 08:14 PM

Ron Paul is Rick Santelli?

You get your political views from a CNBC Stock Exchange reporter? Makes sense actually.

Parkbandit

09-14-2011, 08:23 PM

You get your political views from a CNBC Stock Exchange reporter? Makes sense actually.

Rick Santelli was the person credited for actually inspiring the Tea Party movement.

I didn't think that had to be explained to you.. but here we are.

Parkbandit

09-22-2011, 12:20 PM

Straw Poll in Florida this weekend could catapult Ron Paul to new heights!

DeV

09-22-2011, 12:59 PM

Probably the funniest and most tragic media blackout ever that has somehow managed to backfire. He's like the villain from Harry Potter... he who shall not be named. Perhaps he's making too much noise about our Military Industrial Complex or maybe it's just plain old ageism.

It does go to show that whether it's the liberal media or the right wing media - when the "mainstream media" wants to silence your ass, they'll all come together and do just that.

Hulkein

09-22-2011, 01:00 PM

Straw Poll in Florida this weekend could catapult Ron Paul to new heights!

I sense sarcasm.

Parkbandit

09-22-2011, 01:02 PM

Or.. he's never been a candidate that the public has ever taken seriously as President... and the media reflects that.

DeV

09-22-2011, 01:48 PM

I tend to lean more towards the idea that the media has consistently taken him less seriously than the general public.

Even military donations, which aren't a very big deal in the grand scheme, have to count for something as far as public opinion goes. At the very least, it indicates that there's a minority that does in fact take Ron Paul seriously.

Atlanteax

09-22-2011, 02:43 PM

Not everyone in the military is bright or sane either.

Ron Paul will always have fringe support.

Hulkein

09-22-2011, 02:51 PM

Or.. he's never been a candidate that the public has ever taken seriously as President... and the media reflects that.

I don't think that's the case. The media has gone out of its way to ignore him. The Jon Stewart bit was funny and true. Also, O'Reilly was showing how certain R's polled vs. Obama, showed Romney, Perry (1 and 2 in terms of R's vs. Obama), skipped Paul who was 3 and showed Backman who was 4th. Made no mention of Paul or that he actually was doing 3rd best polling against the president. That is intentional and it's not because the "public" is not taking him seriously, the poll was of the public.

DeV

09-22-2011, 04:12 PM

Not everyone in the military is bright or sane either.The military is a fairly accurate representation of society as a whole.

Paradii

09-22-2011, 04:15 PM

The military is a fairly accurate representation of society as a whole.

Minus the upper class.

Parkbandit

09-22-2011, 04:26 PM

The military is a fairly accurate representation of society as a whole.

Not really.

AnticorRifling

09-22-2011, 04:26 PM

The military is a fairly accurate representation of society as a whole.

LOL wut?

Atlanteax

09-22-2011, 06:04 PM

The military is a fairly accurate representation of society as a whole.

The military tends to not tolerate soldiers doing dumb shit.

In society, people do seriously dumb shit all too frequently.

Thereby your assertation is invalid.

DeV

09-22-2011, 06:07 PM

Minus the upper class.True that. Gross underrepresentation by choice. I don't blame them either.

Paradii

09-22-2011, 06:13 PM

The military tends to not tolerate soldiers doing dumb shit.

In society, people do seriously dumb shit all too frequently.

Thereby your assertation is invalid.

Every story I have ever heard from every person involved in every branch of the military involved someone doing dumb shit.

DeV

09-22-2011, 06:19 PM

The military tends to not tolerate soldiers doing dumb shit.

In society, people do seriously dumb shit all too frequently.

Thereby your assertation is invalid.In the military, people do dumb shit all too frequently, therefore your opinion is invalid.

Fort Hood ring a bell? Fort Bragg, just recently. Google it.

Stupidity exists in every facet of society including the "LOL Wut" military.

Gan

09-22-2011, 10:41 PM

The military is a fairly accurate representation of society as a whole.

Eh, I dont believe society is or was ever meant to be as structured/ordered as the military.

The key difference being personal freedom and the fact that as a civillian you're not 'government property'.

Androidpk

09-22-2011, 11:30 PM

Every story I have ever heard from every person involved in every branch of the military involved someone doing dumb shit.

So true. I have plenty of my own.

Latrinsorm

09-23-2011, 12:36 AM

Eh, I dont believe society is or was ever meant to be as structured/ordered as the military.

The key difference being personal freedom and the fact that as a civillian you're not 'government property'.That's, like, what they want you to think, man.

Gan

09-23-2011, 10:00 AM

That's, like, what they want you to think, man.

Perfect thread for this response.

Or perfect response for this thread.

It's America - you have a choice.

DeV

09-23-2011, 10:22 AM

Eh, I dont believe society is or was ever meant to be as structured/ordered as the military.Neither do I. Besides, that's a given in virtually any military setting.

The people that make up the military are as vastly diverse, varied, and complex as the general public, which I stated in direct response to "Not everyone in the military is bright or sane either." I wasn't referring to the structure/order of the military, but the people that make up its ranks, who are either recruited or volunteer, and who most definitely are pooled from society/the general public.

The key difference being personal freedom and the fact that as a civillian you're not 'government property'.Sure thing, as long as one stays out of trouble and avoids doing seriously dumb shit. When you're found guilty of breaking civilian laws, you, in essence, become 'government property' - by choice.

Androidpk

09-23-2011, 10:38 AM

http://www.dawnoftheweak.com/2011/09/fox-news-google-debate-9222011.html

Gan

09-23-2011, 11:18 AM

Ron Paul should run for Governor when Perry moves into the White House.

That would be a great opportunity to see Paul's success at applying some of the principals he espouses to a legislative framework.

Because we all know that if it is good for Texas then it will be awesome for the USA.

Cephalopod

09-23-2011, 12:22 PM

Because we all know that if it is good for Texas then it will be awesome for the USA.

Damn straight.

http://static.tvguide.com/MediaBin/Galleries/Imported/ShowPix/Jonathan/imagesN_Z/walker-texas-ranger.jpg

Parkbandit

09-23-2011, 12:33 PM

The people that make up the military are as vastly diverse, varied, and complex as the general public, which I stated in direct response to "Not everyone in the military is bright or sane either." I wasn't referring to the structure/order of the military, but the people that make up its ranks, who are either recruited or volunteer, and who most definitely are pooled from society/the general public.

Where else would a volunteer army poll the people from?

You made this comment:

The military is a fairly accurate representation of society as a whole.

Let's be honest.. that's not the case at all. Just let it go.. instead of trying to make it seem 'right'.

DeV

09-23-2011, 05:26 PM

Where else would a volunteer army poll the people? The general public, i.e., society as a whole, as I've already alluded to.

Let's be honest.. that's not the case at all. Yes it is. Either tell me why you disagree or stop wasting my time.

Parkbandit

09-25-2011, 07:08 AM

The general public, i.e., society as a whole, as I've already alluded to.

Thank you Captain Obvious.

Yes it is. Either tell me why you disagree or stop wasting my time.

It's pretty simple... look at the race/age/sex/income demographics of the United States... then do the same with the Armed Forces... and you should be able to figure out how it's not even close.

Hulkein

09-27-2011, 03:32 PM

If you are looking for signs of President Obama’s vulnerability, there are plenty to be found in the latest CNN poll. But one number stands out: If that hypothetical election were held tomorrow, Obama would beat Ron Paul—yeah, that Ron Paul—by just four points.

While it may be a sign that some voters are adopting an anybody-but-Obama attitude, that same poll shows Obama handily stomping candidates such as Michele Bachmann and Sarah Palin.

And, truth be told, Obama still tops everyone in the GOP field with the exception of Mitt Romney, who runs even with the president. Obama would beat Rick Perry by five points, the poll said.

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http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-obama-paul-poll-20110927,0,5007276.story?track=rss

Latrinsorm

09-27-2011, 03:37 PM

Four more years. :)

Keller

09-27-2011, 03:41 PM

Four more years. :)

With the number of strokes/heart attacks from old white men, it should work out the social security issue nicely.

Atlanteax

09-27-2011, 03:51 PM

With the number of strokes/heart attacks from old white men, it should work out the social security issue nicely.

That or doing more wink-wink @ illegals working in U.S. factories.

Keller

09-27-2011, 03:53 PM

That or doing more wink-wink @ illegals working in U.S. factories.

Assassination was my favorite game at summer camp.

Hulkein

09-28-2011, 01:42 PM

Ron Paul Bests Obama in Latest Poll
Shows Paul beating President in head-to-head matchup

LAKE JACKSON, Texas--(BUSINESS WIRE)-- In a new Harris Poll, 2012 Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul beats President Obama 51 percent to 49 percent in a general election race.

“This is yet another poll that clearly proves how competitive Ron Paul is against the sitting President,” said Ron Paul 2012 National Campaign Chairman Jesse Benton. “Dr. Paul is making strides, affirming that the American people are looking for conviction instead of the typical status quo rhetoric being offered by establishment candidates.”

These results come just a few weeks after a Reuters/Ipsos survey showed Ron Paul polling within striking distance of President Obama among registered voters. Furthermore, a late August Rasmussen poll showed him within 1 percent of President Obama in a head-to-head matchup.

Another recent Gallup survey, conducted August 17-18, shows Paul only 2 percentage points behind Obama in a general election match-up. In a similar head-to-head survey from last year done by Rasmussen, Dr. Paul drew a statistical dead heat with the President. And earlier this year in a survey by CNN, he did the best out of the other Republicans put up against Obama in a head-to-head poll.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Ron-Paul-Bests-Obamain-Latest-bw-3821734650.html?x=0&.v=1

Seran

09-28-2011, 07:12 PM

And yet most neo-cons grind their teeth at the mere thought of Ron Paul. It'll never happen so long as their is an under qualified former governor, or glory and die celebrity with little national recognition to stand behind.

Warriorbird

09-28-2011, 07:29 PM

It'll never happen for him, which is sad, and Ron Paul -> Rand Paul is like George Romney -> Mitt Romney. Fathers who are greater than sons.

His greatest opponent is the fact that the actual Republican Party, and by this, no, I don't mean the people who vote Republican, is not actually conservative.