Docs v. Glocks Law in Florida

[ClydeR]

The Florida legislature passed a law (http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news/2011/april/238352/Docs-vs-Glocks-bill-heads-to-Governor-Scott) forbidding doctors from asking their patients if the patients have guns, unless the question is "relevant to the patients' medical care or safety, or the safety of others." The original bill, which I preferred, didn't have the exception, but this is a good first step.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Why would a doctor ask a patient if they have a gun?

[Warriorbird]

Why would a doctor ask a patient if they have a gun?

I'd assume methed out redneck or gang issues.

[Ardwen]

Isnt a patient with a gun always a in theory a potential risk to the safety of others? Never know how they might react to pain or meds or stress etc.

[Parkbandit]

I've never, ever, ever been asked by a doctor if I own a gun.

Stop wasting time on stupid stuff.

[AnticorRifling]

Lead poisoning.

Queue up the CSI sunglasses and theme song. Thank you.

[Warriorbird]

Realistically I think it's probably only an issue for Fire/Rescue/EMTs. Couple of people my cousin works with have been shot at.

[AnticorRifling]

Realistically I think it's probably only an issue for Fire/Rescue/EMTs. Couple of people my cousin works with have been shot at.

The question is ownership, not if they are currently carrying.

[Warriorbird]

The question is ownership, not if they are currently carrying.

Oh, ew. No reason a doctor should be able to ask that.

Then again, I could see maybe if it were specifically for mental health stuff.

It doesn't seem to be at all though.

[Tsa`ah]

Oh, ew. No reason a doctor should be able to ask that.

Then again, I could see maybe if it were specifically for mental health stuff.

It doesn't seem to be at all though.

Really? You wouldn't ask someone that is exhibiting (not a diagnosis) signs of mental distress if they owned a gun?

[Tgo01]

The original bill, sponsored by FL Rep. Jason Brodeur (R-Sanford), would have punished doctors with up to five years in prison, and fines, for asking patients about guns.

Up to five years for asking a question? They don't do anything half assed in Florida do they?

[Warriorbird]

Really? You wouldn't ask someone that is exhibiting (not a diagnosis) signs of mental distress if they owned a gun?

That was pretty much the exact opposite of what I said. The bill isn't that though.

[Tsa`ah]

That was pretty much the exact opposite of what I said. The bill isn't that though.

I'm not busting your chops, but a person being seen in the ER or by their regular physician ... may be showing signs of mental distress that isn't in their medical history. This isn't exactly "mental health", this is more along the lines of "hey I understand you just lost your job and you appear to more than a little infuriated about it"

I don't think FL docs are asking the question willy nilly and off the cuff. If a doctor asks that of a patient ... I'm going to err on the side of caution and assume there's good reason for such a question. Making it illegal is just asinine.

[AnticorRifling]

Yeah protecting people's privacy is always asinine.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Really? You wouldn't ask someone that is exhibiting (not a diagnosis) signs of mental distress if they owned a gun?

Do you own a gun?


Seriously though... I've seen plenty of mentally distressed people and not asked them if they had a gun. I can't think of any reason a doctor would need to ask this short of someone saying "Imma get my gun, and keel yew wit it".

If someone says I'm going home to slash my wrists, do you ask if they have a knife? Or hang themselves, do you have a rope? Or drive into a building, do you have a car?

[AnticorRifling]

Do you own scissors, a knife, a brick, an ink pen? Do you have access to a stick?

[Warriorbird]

Do you own scissors, a knife, a brick, an ink pen? Do you have access to a stick?

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9olz_bryan-ferry-let-s-stick-together_music

[Tsa`ah]

Yeah protecting people's privacy is always asinine.

You're confusing what constitutes a breach of a person's constitutional right and what constitutes a simple yes or no question that no person is compelled to answer.

If said doctors were searching your home ... you would have a point.


Do you own a gun?


Seriously though... I've seen plenty of mentally distressed people and not asked them if they had a gun. I can't think of any reason a doctor would need to ask this short of someone saying "Imma get my gun, and keel yew wit it".

If someone says I'm going home to slash my wrists, do you ask if they have a knife? Or hang themselves, do you have a rope? Or drive into a building, do you have a car?

Yes, 4.

You are also not a doctor.

If you tell a doctor you're going to harm yourself, that doctor admits you to a psychiatric center for the minimal legal length of time ... willing or not. If you tell a doctor you are going to shoot up your work place, that doctor calls the police.

You're using some very irrelevant situations.


Do you own scissors, a knife, a brick, an ink pen? Do you have access to a stick?

The chances of me, or anyone else harming or killing multiple people in a crowd with any of the objects described is pretty slim. The chances of doing so with a gun are pretty great.

[Tgo01]

The chances of me, or anyone else harming or killing multiple people in a crowd with any of the objects described is pretty slim. The chances of doing so with a gun are pretty great.

We're only concerned with multiple murders now?

[Tsa`ah]

We're only concerned with multiple murders now?

With all actually ... don't be that guy.

A person that indicates to a doctor that they're going to self harm isn't going to have a choice one way or another about being secured in a mental facility for observation.

Such questioning, that is not even remotely compulsory, determines the possibility that said harm could extend beyond one's self.

[Tgo01]

With all actually ... don't be that guy.

Me don't be that guy? Man I wish I had PB's picture finding skills, I could use a good "NOU" pic right now.

"Sir we're concerned you might be mentally unbalanced at the moment, do you own a gun? We just think that maybe you are going to go on a rampage and kill multiple people. It's no big deal if you own a knife, rope, car, gasoline/lighter, tank or a flamethrower, the chances of you hurting multiple people with those things is pretty slim."

[Tgo01]

Reg Docs v. Glocks Law in... 05-02-2011 02:35 PM no. murder is murder. stop murdering this thread.

I lol'ed.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

You're confusing what constitutes a breach of a person's constitutional right and what constitutes a simple yes or no question that no person is compelled to answer.

If said doctors were searching your home ... you would have a point.



Yes, 4.

You are also not a doctor.

If you tell a doctor you're going to harm yourself, that doctor admits you to a psychiatric center for the minimal legal length of time ... willing or not. If you tell a doctor you are going to shoot up your work place, that doctor calls the police.

You're using some very irrelevant situations.



The chances of me, or anyone else harming or killing multiple people in a crowd with any of the objects described is pretty slim. The chances of doing so with a gun are pretty great.

So what situation do you envision a doctor needing to know if I own a gun?

[Parkbandit]

Me don't be that guy? Man I wish I had PB's picture finding skills, I could use a good "NOU" pic right now.

I got you covered:

http://www.dark-circuit.com/random/data/media/3/noU.jpg

[AnticorRifling]

The chances of me, or anyone else harming or killing multiple people in a crowd with any of the objects described is pretty slim. The chances of doing so with a gun are pretty great.

While everything else in this post was laughable this stuck out the most.

Really? There's a great chance of you doing harm with a gun? Have you told your doctor? Have you informed the authorities?

There's very little chance of me doing harm with my firearms, don't lump us together.

I also wasn't aware that mass killings were all that mattered and if that's the point your arguing I'm worried.