New Arizona Ballot Law

[ClydeR]

Continuing its record of good legislation, Arizona passed a law (http://www.azcentral.com/news/election/azelections/articles/2011/04/14/20110414arizona-lawmakers-approve-proof-of-citizenship-to-run-for-president.html) requiring all presidential candidates on the ballot in Arizona to produce a long-form birth certificate, baptismal certificate, circumcision certificate or a couple of other items. If Certain People can't produce any of those records, then Certain People can't be on the ballot.

The bill is waiting the signature of Governor Jan Brewer.

[Parkbandit]

It would certainly put an end to political games.

[Inspire]

WTF? baptismal certificate, circumcision certificate

[LMingrone]

Yeah, pretty sure that's unconstitutional.

[Parkbandit]

Yeah, pretty sure that's unconstitutional.

Which part of the Constitution are you sure this law is violating by asking the Presidential nominee to provide evidence that he/she is a US citizen?

[Inspire]

Let's hope heaven doesn't require these.

(baptismal certificate, circumcision certificate)

[Parkbandit]

Let's hope heaven doesn't require these.

(baptismal certificate, circumcision certificate)

Please tell me you understood that these certificates are just some of the ones you can use to prove you are a US citizen.. and that Arizona isn't asking every nominee for President to show all of those documents....

[Inspire]

I just found the certificates to be humorous.

I want a circumcision certificate to hang on my wall.

[ClydeR]

WTF? baptismal certificate, circumcision certificate

Those were just the first two listed.


If the candidate does not possess a long form birth certificate as required by this paragraph, the candidate may attach two or more of the following documents that shall take the place of the long form birth certificate if the candidate swears to their authenticity and validity and the documents contain enough information for the secretary of state to determine if the candidate meets the requirements prescribed in Article II, Section 1, Constitution of the United States:
(a) Early baptismal or circumcision certificate.
(b) Hospital birth record.
(c) Postpartum medical record for the mother or child signed by the doctor or midwife or the person who delivered or examined the child after birth.
(d) Early census record.

More... (http://www.azleg.gov//FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/legtext/50leg/1r/bills/hb2177s.htm&Session_ID=102)

They're all things people have been asking for from Obama.


D. If the Secretary of State receives any documents in place of a long form birth certificate pursuant to Subsection B, Paragraph 1 and cannot determine if the presidential candidate meets the requirements prescribed in Article II, Section 1, Constitution of the United States, the Secretary of State may establish a committee to assist in the determination or hold hearings and submit any documents for forensic examination.

[LMingrone]

Which part of the Constitution are you sure this law is violating by asking the Presidential nominee to provide evidence that he/she is a US citizen?


Really? Really? They need proof of baptism/dick cutting. That part. Will a picture of me jumping in a lake and jacking off be enough?

[ClydeR]

Let's hope heaven doesn't require these.

(baptismal certificate, circumcision certificate)

Oh, they're required alright.

[ClydeR]

Yeah, pretty sure that's unconstitutional.

The purpose is to make it easier for Christian men to qualify than others, consistent with the history of the country.

[LMingrone]

The purpose is to make it easier for Christian men to qualify than others, consistent with the history of the country.

That's what I was getting at.

[Parkbandit]

Really? Really? They need proof of baptism/dick cutting. That part. Will a picture of me jumping in a lake and jacking off be enough?

So.. you really didn't understand the verification process......

[LMingrone]

So.. you really didn't understand the verification process......

I could care less. I think anyone should be able to run for whatever office they want. Let We The People vote.

[Parkbandit]

I could care less. I think anyone should be able to run for whatever office they want. Let We The People vote.

So, you believe that non-US citizens should be able to run for President?

[Tgo01]

Yeah, pretty sure that's unconstitutional.


I could care less. I think anyone should be able to run for whatever office they want. Let We The People vote.

head asplodes!

[LMingrone]

So, you believe that non-US citizens should be able to run for President?

Sure. Why not? Things don't seem to be working right now.

[Inspire]

Sure. Why not? Things don't seem to be working right now.


Point for LM. LOL

[LMingrone]

head asplodes!

Don't assplode too hard. Those two things are opinions.

[Tgo01]

Don't assplode too hard. Those two things are opinions.

Oh okay.

[Parkbandit]

Sure. Why not? Things don't seem to be working right now.

Lulz.

Why not? Maybe because THAT would be unconstitutional?

[LMingrone]

So you're okay with having to have religion play a part in being a candidate? Just answer that.

[Inspire]

Lulz.

Why not? Maybe because THAT would be unconstitutional?


I don't think it matters what is constitutional and what is not constitutional. The abusive people that are in power right now can change that back and forth as they see fit for the most part anyway.

[Parkbandit]

So you're okay with having to have religion play a part in being a candidate? Just answer that.

I am an atheist.. and proving that I am a US citizen wouldn't require any religion on my part.

Stop being stupid.

[Parkbandit]

I don't think it matters what is constitutional and what is not constitutional. The abusive people that are in power right now can change that back and forth as they see fit for the most part anyway.

Lulz.

[Drew]

So you're okay with having to have religion play a part in being a candidate? Just answer that.

Dude, you're not getting it. You can get a driver's license with a record from a family bible. It has nothing to do with Christianity, it's because some people (especially older people) don't have birth certificates so states establish alternate routes. You aren't required to have circumcision or baptismal document, it's an alternate route for people who were born before state issued birth certificates .

[LMingrone]

I am an atheist.. and proving that I am a US citizen wouldn't require any religion on my part.

Stop being stupid.

I don't know how I'm being stupid. I'm just arguing. I'm an atheist also. My point was that proving that you're a US citizen shouldn't involve baptism/dick cutting points. It's a play to sway control in a certain direction for someone's interest, and I'm not cool with that.

[LMingrone]

Dude, you're not getting it. You can get a driver's license with a record from a family bible. It has nothing to do with Christianity, it's because some people (especially older people) don't have birth certificates so states establish alternate routes. You aren't required to have circumcision or baptismal document, it's an alternate route for people who were born before state issued birth certificates .

Well, if that's what it is, fine. This just reeks of the Obama birth certificate fiasco. I didn't vote for him btw.

Edit: Off to read the paperwork, so I won't be stupid again.

[Latrinsorm]

Really? Really? They need proof of baptism/dick cutting. That part. Will a picture of me jumping in a lake and jacking off be enough?It's a fact that none of the so-called candidates have released pictures of themselves masturbating while jumping into a lake. It really makes you ask yourself, what are they trying to hide?

[Parkbandit]

I don't know how I'm being stupid. I'm just arguing. I'm an atheist also. My point was that proving that you're a US citizen shouldn't involve baptism/dick cutting points. It's a play to sway control in a certain direction for someone's interest, and I'm not cool with that.

You can't be seriously this dumb.............................................. ......... can you?

[LMingrone]

Yes, I can be.

[Gelston]

It said or. It is referring to that as other forms of secondary identification, and not required ID.

[Cephalopod]

Continuing its record of good legislation, Arizona passed a law (http://www.azcentral.com/news/election/azelections/articles/2011/04/14/20110414arizona-lawmakers-approve-proof-of-citizenship-to-run-for-president.html) requiring all presidential candidates on the ballot in Arizona to produce a long-form birth certificate, baptismal certificate, circumcision certificate or a couple of other items. If Certain People can't produce any of those records, then Certain People can't be on the ballot.

The bill is waiting the signature of Governor Jan Brewer.

This does set an interesting precedent, whereby Arizona has established any state that wants a 'future presidential candidate' born there must follow Arizona's vital record-keeping guidelines if they are to get votes from Arizona. This could be problematic for people born in Hawaii or Minnesota, neither of which generate long-form birth certificates for standard live births.

The "or" makes the bill less problematic but puzzling: "early baptismal certificate, circumcision certificate, hospital birth record, postpartum medical record signed by the person who delivered the child or an early census record."

[Latrinsorm]

Minnesota is essentially Michigan, which is essentially Canada, which isn't any more real America than our other colonies and dependent territories. The law is 100% on point.

[Parkbandit]

Minnesota is essentially Michigan, which is essentially Canada, which isn't any more real America than our other colonies and dependent territories. The law is 100% on point.

Did you mean to use login "Latrinsorm" for this post? It sounded more like login "ClydeR".

[~Rocktar~]

You can't be seriously this dumb.............................................. ......... can you?



Yes, I can be.


Preserved for posterity.

[Warriorbird]

This does set an interesting precedent, whereby Arizona has established any state that wants a 'future presidential candidate' born there must follow Arizona's vital record-keeping guidelines if they are to get votes from Arizona. This could be problematic for people born in Hawaii or Minnesota, neither of which generate long-form birth certificates for standard live births.

The "or" makes the bill less problematic but puzzling: "early baptismal certificate, circumcision certificate, hospital birth record, postpartum medical record signed by the person who delivered the child or an early census record."

Oh those gosh darned privileges and immunities too.

[TheEschaton]

Arizona should get a huge legal bill for all the fucking retarded laws that the federal court system is going to have to chew up and spit out over the next 10 years.

[EasternBrand]

Don't assplode too hard. Those two things are opinions.

"It wasn't intended to be a factual assertion."

[4a6c1]

Arizona is going to have presidents?!

[Delias]

Pretty sure you can get baptized without being a citizen of the united states (estados unidos.)

edit: not sure about the dick cutting, though.

[Back]

Pretty sure you can get baptized without being a citizen of the united states (estados unidos.)

edit: not sure about the dick cutting, though.

An illegal can have a baby here (birth certificate), have that baby circumcised (I did not know there were certificates for this but whatever), and then have it baptized (baptism certificate) so I am not sure what this is going to prevent.

[Delias]

An illegal can have a baby here (birth certificate), have that baby circumcised (I did not know there were certificates for this but whatever), and then have it baptized (baptism certificate) so I am not sure what this is going to prevent.

Hopefully it goes full circle and prevents dick cutting, somehow.

[Wowfool]

It's a fact that none of the so-called candidates have released pictures of themselves masturbating while jumping into a lake. It really makes you ask yourself, what are they trying to hide?

I would pay for a picture of Sarah Palin doing the above. I would pay for any pictures of Hillary to be appropriately destroyed, if any cameras survive the inevitable lens meltdown.

[LMingrone]

Yep. And I was being called the stupid one before.

Edit: that was aimed at the people calling me stupid for thinking this law made no sense.

[Wowfool]

Interesting part is that the constitution is pretty vague on how each state chooses its electors to the electoral college. This might in fact pass legal muster everywhere but the 9th circuit. I guess it depends on the details of other state and federal legislation.

[LMingrone]

It would also let people that aren't even natural born in the US run for office, as long as they get baptized and dick cut here. It will also sway the odds a little for women, men that don't get circumcised, people who don't get baptized, and people not born in a hospital. I'm stupid though, so don't listen to me.

Edit:
1. You have a long form..good to go.
2. You don't have a long form...you need to prove it with other paperwork. Paperwork that is biased towards a certain group of people.

[Jarvan]

Pretty sure you can get baptized without being a citizen of the united states (estados unidos.)

edit: not sure about the dick cutting, though.

Early baptism is kinda moot point infact. its there as a CYA item. same with circumcision. Back in the day.. there wern't forms that were filled out for births. Apparently allot of states and governments were lax in their paper work.

Enter the one group that liked to document everything.. those evil church people. What did you say? your state never gave you a birth certificate? I am sorry, you can't prove you were born then.. O father Flanigan has a document from the church showing you were baptized 2 days after you were born? Ok, we will allow that.

No Where in that law does it say that those two items people are freaking over HAVE to be provided, or are required. Why they listed them first, who knows. Should prob have listed them last.

As for proving our President was born in America, I say hell yeah. The day other countries let us decide who should run them, is the day they can try to elect one of their people here.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

An illegal can have a baby here (birth certificate), have that baby circumcised (I did not know there were certificates for this but whatever), and then have it baptized (baptism certificate) so I am not sure what this is going to prevent.

Aren't children born in the US automatically citizen's, aka Birthright Citizenship? That's the whole point of the law I'm guessing, prove you are a US citizen.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

It would also let people that aren't even natural born in the US run for office, as long as they get baptized and dick cut here. It will also sway the odds a little for women, men that don't get circumcised, people who don't get baptized, and people not born in a hospital. I'm stupid though, so don't listen to me.

Edit:
1. You have a long form..good to go.
2. You don't have a long form...you need to prove it with other paperwork. Paperwork that is biased towards a certain group of people.

What other forms of identification of US Citizenship would you suggest? BlockBuster card?

[Warriorbird]

If you're curious about the existing court reasoning so far:

http://www.in.gov/judiciary/opinions/pdf/11120903.ebb.pdf

[Jarvan]

Aren't children born in the US automatically citizen's, aka Birthright Citizenship? That's the whole point of the law I'm guessing, prove you are a US citizen.

Sadly.. yes.

Frankly I don't agree with that part of the law, and think it should be changed.

[Warriorbird]

Sadly.. yes.

Frankly I don't agree with that part of the law, and think it should be changed.

Amendment.

[Parkbandit]

Yep. And I was being called the stupid one before.

Edit: that was aimed at the people calling me stupid for thinking this law made no sense.

Revisit the thread from the beginning... this wasn't the reason.

[Jarvan]

Amendment.

I stand corrected, well I am sitting technically, but you get the point.

Thats what happens when you get 2 hours of sleep a night for over a week.