No Government Shutdown

[Jarvan]

Just announced, no shutdown.

Finally, both sides got their heads out of the asses and worked shit out.

Those riders had no point in being in the budget at this point. The Dems shouldn't have been bitching about ever single cent.

Now we can get onto the real issue, 2012 budget.

[4a6c1]

So what did they cut?

Military spending?! Raise taxes on the richest people in the country?!

No. Wait. Those actions would make too much sense!

[Jarvan]

They haven't stated yet what is going to be cut, can't wait to see myself.

As for military spending, I agree. We should pull every single military person out of the middle east.

That would certainly save us a bunch of money.

[Revalos]

It only funds us for 5 more days. We'll probably be in the same spot next week.

[Jarvan]

Maybe, but doubtful. Obama wouldn't have made a speech and said there won't be a shut down unless he had assurances from both sides. No President wants to look like an Ass.

[Ayamei]

Maybe, but doubtful. Obama wouldn't have made a speech and said there won't be a shut down unless he had assurances from both sides. No President wants to look like an Ass.

I remember President Bush landing on an aircraft carrier and declaring all major military operations in Iraq as done. Remember the big mission accomplished banner too? No Predisent wants to look like an Ass, but sometimes I suppose things just happen.

[Jarvan]

I remember President Bush landing on an aircraft carrier and declaring all major military operations in Iraq as done. Remember the big mission accomplished banner too? No Predisent wants to look like an Ass, but sometimes I suppose things just happen.

Yeah, that would have been a great moment for him... if it had been true.

Course it still doesn't beat the Door incident. I love that video..

[Jayvn]

I remember President Bush landing on an aircraft carrier and declaring all major military operations in Iraq as done. Remember the big mission accomplished banner too? No Predisent wants to look like an Ass, but sometimes I suppose things just happen.

Yeah.. I remember being at Bragg when the jerk off did that.. and then I remember going to Afghanistan AFTER we WON THE WAR!!!!!VICTORYDANCE!!1!1!!pancakes!!11!11!!!

[ClydeR]

Obama may have won this round. But this isn't over. Not by a long shot!

The next big thing is May 16. That's when we either raise the debt ceiling or default on the debt. Republicans should refuse to raise the debt ceiling as long as any federal money is being used to pay for contraception or going to any organization that provides abortions.

And even before that, the House will consider the "Path to Prosperity" budget put up by Congressman Paul Ryan. Ryan is from Wisconsin, which has a good record recently of producing solid Republican politicians. He has 6% body fat and teaches PX90 classes for other member of Congress. I mention all of those things just to show how reliable he is.

The Path to Prosperity will cut the top tax rate to 25%, bringing the budget into balance. Ryan predicts that his budget will lower the unemployment rate to 4.27%. I'm going to stick with the projection (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showpost.php?p=1208078&postcount=8) I made right after the December tax deal.

[Parkbandit]

How exactly did Obama win?

[ClydeR]

How exactly did Obama win?

Well, for starters, he got Republicans to vote in favor of funding Obamacare, Planned Parenthood and NPR. And he got Republicans to break their promise to cut $100 billion.

[Ayamei]

I like this bad reputation I just got...

derp derp. BUSH BUSH BUSH!!! Like you couldn't think of a single stupid moment for Obama? Libtard.

I'm actually really conservative, I was just pointing something out, sorry I offended you whoever that is. We are all Americans, aren't we? I think that is something that the person who left me that should remember.

[HJFudge]

I like this bad reputation I just go...

derp derp. BUSH BUSH BUSH!!! Like you couldn't think of a single stupid moment for Obama? Libtard.

I'm actually really conservative, I was just pointing something out, sorry I offended you whoever that is. We are all Americans, aren't we? I think that is something that the person who left me that should remember.

You will find critical thinking is very lacking here. You say a word like Bush, Obama, or whatever...and people stop reading and start seething.

[Stanley Burrell]

Curses. I was going to take a train to DC and put a "FOR SALE" sign on the congressional building.















J.K. I was going to put it on the top of the Monument, because it looks like a penis if you take a photo of it in the background from far away. Look, it makes sense to me. No it doesn't.

What else, what else...

Oh, the Eiffel Tower is pretty good at looking like a penis from afar as well.

I'm fairly certain these were the "last-minute" deliberations that saved us from total anarchy.

[waywardgs]

So what did they cut?

Military spending?! Raise taxes on the richest people in the country?!

No. Wait. Those actions would make too much cents!

fxt

[Parkbandit]

Well, for starters, he got Republicans to vote in favor of funding Obamacare, Planned Parenthood and NPR.

Actually, he didn't. The Republicans won those because Harry Reid claimed that those bills would never reach the Senate floor to even vote on... and they will be voted on as part of this deal.



And he got Republicans to break their promise to cut $100 billion.

And you somehow view this as a victory? Victory for who?

"YAA! WE STOPPED THE REPUBLICANS FROM CUTTING OUR SPENDING!!!"

Yea... awesome victory you have there. Congrats?

[~Rocktar~]

http://youtu.be/ffG-0IZF4bY

[4a6c1]

fxt

Phonetic oneupmanship?!

Ok. Yes.

[Tsa`ah]

Actually, he didn't. The Republicans won those because Harry Reid claimed that those bills would never reach the Senate floor to even vote on... and they will be voted on as part of this deal.

You do understand that those were specific policy riders attached to the budget right? You also understand that the compromise that was reached stripped out the policy riders from the proposed budget ... right?

If you understand both of the above you should also understand that there was no vote that involved policy riders on the senate floor.

[Parkbandit]

You do understand that those were specific policy riders attached to the budget right? You also understand that the compromise that was reached stripped out the policy riders from the proposed budget ... right?

If you understand both of the above you should also understand that there was no vote that involved policy riders on the senate floor.

Yes... and you understand those riders were taken out of this budget, but will now be voted on in the Senate, right? You understand that "will be" involves a future action, right?

What am I saying.. clearly you won't / can't understand it.

[Tsa`ah]

Yes... and you understand those riders were taken out of this budget, but will now be voted on in the Senate, right? You understand that "will be" involves a future action, right?

What am I saying.. clearly you won't / can't understand it.

How do you suppose they'll make it to the floor of the senate for a vote? You're doing nothing but demonstrating an ignorance of the process.

[Parkbandit]

How do you suppose they'll make it to the floor of the senate for a vote? You're doing nothing but demonstrating an ignorance of the process.

Shit4Brains, just read this. When you have more questions, please ask your Mommy... because quite frankly, it's her fault you are still on this planet.


One of the interesting parts of the budget deal announced late last night was a commitment from Harry Reid to allow two floor votes on Republican legislative priorities. The first is the effort to defund Planned Parenthood, which John Boehner agreed to remove from last nights budget.

House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, agreed to remove the Planned Parenthood provision in exchange for an agreement that would allow Congress to take up the funding issue separately.The Republicans also won inclusion of a provision that will require the Senate to vote on a bill to de-fund the health care reform law.

The second is a repeal vote of Obamacare. Since the GOP-led House voted in January to repeal Obamacare, Harry Reid vowed to never let it reach the Senate Floor. He now has to eat his words. The deal struck last night, also guarantees a debate and vote in the Senate on Obamacare.

[Jarvan]

It's no good PB, I don't think he understands the concept of an agreement. Most likely he is thinking like a politician and figures once the spending bill is passed, they can just forget about the other votes.

[Kembal]

Actually, he didn't. The Republicans won those because Harry Reid claimed that those bills would never reach the Senate floor to even vote on... and they will be voted on as part of this deal.

In terms of actual governing priorities, you'd have to say the Republicans lost on the policy riders. They're not getting HCR, the EPA, or Planned Parenthood defunded.

In terms of politics, they do get votes on HCR and Planned Parenthood that they can use against the Senate Democrats up for election in 2012. However, it's unlikely that they gained much mileage from that.

Making Reid eat his words isn't much of a victory if it doesn't produce anything substantive or politically useful against him, and he just won a new term last year.

[Parkbandit]

In terms of actual governing priorities, you'd have to say the Republicans lost on the policy riders. They're not getting HCR, the EPA, or Planned Parenthood defunded.

In terms of politics, they do get votes on HCR and Planned Parenthood that they can use against the Senate Democrats up for election in 2012. However, it's unlikely that they gained much mileage from that.

Making Reid eat his words isn't much of a victory if it doesn't produce anything substantive or politically useful against him, and he just won a new term last year.

*The Democrats originally offered 4 billion in cuts, saying anything more is reckless. They ended up agreeing to 38 billion.

*The Republicans went from Harry Reid refusing to even allow a vote for defunding Obamacare/NPR/PP to agreeing to bring it about for a vote.

Next up.. 2012 budget. Let's see what Obama releases this week and compare it to the Republican's 5 trillion savings over the next 10 years.

[ClydeR]

As usual, and in the face of concerted disagreement from the mainstream media, I was exactly right about who won the budget battle. Republicans should have stuck to their guns on defunding birth control, the EPA and the consumer protection bureau.


A CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey released Monday indicates that the budget agreement that prevented a government shutdown is popular, with Americans supporting it by a 58 to 38 percent margin. But there's a partisan divide, with two-thirds of Democrats and a majority of independent voters backing the deal, and Republicans divided.

Read full results HERE (http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/images/04/11/rel6a.pdf).

By a 48 to 35 percent margin, the public thinks Democrats are more responsible than the GOP for the late Friday night agreement, which prevented a shutdown of some government services and offices. And according to the survey, which was conducted Saturday and Sunday, 54 percent say they approve of how the president handled the budget negotiations, compared to only 44 percent who approve of how the Republican leaders in Congress handled themselves last week.

More... (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/11/cnn-poll-majority-support-deal-to-avert-govt-shutdown/)

[Atlanteax]

How exactly did Obama win?

http://cagle.com/working/110411/sorenson.jpg

In the meantime we seriously need to cut spending levels across the board... social security, medicare, military expenses, etc.

Would be easy to zero in on pork projects, but unfortunately, despite how obscenely wasteful most are, they would not total up to that much of a budget cut.

[ClydeR]

A Congressional Budget Office analysis of the fiscal 2011 spending deal that Congress will vote on Thursday concludes that it would cut spending this year by less than one-tenth of what both Republicans or Democrats have claimed.

A comparison prepared by the CBO shows that the omnibus spending bill, advertised as containing some $38.5 billion in cuts, will only reduce federal outlays by $352 million below 2010 spending rates. The nonpartisan budget agency also projects that total outlays are actually some $3.3 billion more than in 2010, if emergency spending is included in the total.

The astonishing result, according to CBO, is the result of several factors: increases in spending, especially at the Defense Department; decisions to draw over half of the savings from recissions; and cuts to reserve funds and and money for mandatory-spending programs that might never have been spent.

More... (http://www.nationaljournal.com/budget/cbo-says-budget-deal-will-cut-spending-by-only-352-million-20110413)

After all that work. Unbelievable!

This article, like the 2011 budget, was written obviously by people who don't know anything about math.
$352 million ÷ $38.5 billion = 1%

Will this threaten the chance of the 2011 budget passing tomorrow? I posted earlier today that after Obama's speech today some of our Republicans were getting cold feet about Friday's vote on the 2012 budget. This development may give them the excuse they need to go on a two week vacation without voting this week on the 2012 budget.

[~Rocktar~]

The fact that it actually does not surpass last year's spending may be considered somewhat of a substantial victory considering the vast increases of the previous 2 years. Still isn't good though.