Government Shutdown - All in favor say aye!

[Back]

I have heard some people proclaim that they want to see a government shut down. Do you?

I do not. There are far to many people out there trying to make ends meet for politicians to be playing political games for the next election cycle.

[Bobmuhthol]

I'd like to see significantly less government.

[Back]

I have to say, I do love me some tacos, but in all seriousness I’d love to hear reasons why a government shutdown would be a good thing.

[Sheikh]

I am an active duty Marine Infantryman, and after tomorrow, I am not getting paid until the politicians stop bickering and act grown up enough to compromise..... I am fully against this, and anyone that supports the troops should be also.

I have a lot of friends in Afghanistan right now that aren't getting paid after tomorrow either, and IMO, it is a sad fucking day if you are putting your life on the line and not getting paid to protect the freedom of politicians bitchy speech.

[Sam]

I am an overpaid defense contractor. This may or may not impact my pay, but I'd rather not risk it.

[AnticorRifling]

That's pretty much the only reason I'm against it Sheikh. Quit paying the suits but don't stop paying my brothers and sisters in the Corps, or any other branch for that matter (except the Coast Guard they aren't even people! KIDDING).

[Jayvn]

so... is this going to affect my gi bill housing? .... also I think if I were still in Shitfuckhole Afghanistan and I stopped getting paid I would just start blowing shit up... seriously

[Sheikh]

so... is this going to affect my gi bill housing? .... also I think if I were still in Shitfuckhole Afghanistan and I stopped getting paid I would just start blowing shit up... seriously

GI Bill is considered Non Essential Personnel and you will not be receiving any payments until this is sorted out, good luck on paying for college.....

[AnticorRifling]

GI Bill is considered Non Essential Personnel and you will not be receiving any payments until this is sorted out, good luck on paying for college.....

You sure?

GI Bill isn't personnel at all we aren't on staff with the government anymore.

[Fallen]

I said it in another thread and I will say it here. Closing the government down like this is going to cost you money, and a lot of it. I don't know what kind of cuts they are hoping to wring out of the Democrats over the issue, but they better be substancial.

[Sheikh]

You sure?

GI Bill isn't personnel at all we aren't on staff with the government anymore.

Very sure.

[AnticorRifling]

Source me son, source me.

[Stanley Burrell]

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[Sam]

The problem with things like the GI Bill, and things like my job, is that even if the money is already allocated, there are still government employees that have to make the transactions happen. If you have 800,000 federal workers not getting paid, how hard do you think they're going to be working to make sure anyone else gets paid?

I'm sure glad I'm not in Afghanistan as a contractor anymore to see how the soldiers react. Lots of them tend to hate contractors enough already, and rightfully so in many cases.

[Androidpk]

I've been told people receiving any type of VA benefits will not receive anything during a shutdown.

[AnticorRifling]

I've been told people receiving any type of VA benefits will not receive anything during a shutdown.

By whom?

[Androidpk]

By whom?

VA rep I talked to.

[waywardgs]

VA rep I talked to.

Did you show him your big dong? Maybe that was the problem..?

[Androidpk]

Did you show him your big dong? Maybe that was the problem..?

Hedwig was totally jealous.

[Jarvan]

You know what the funny thing is, technically, Obama could just state that our armed forces are essential personal, and ensure they continue to get paid.

The repubs are morons for forcing this issue over riders, at the same time, dems are idiots for haggling over such small numbers at this point. This isn't the real fight for either of them. Basically, BOTH parties want to see a shutdown, cause they are both hoping the other party will take the brunt of the blame for it. Otherwise, one of the two would have already caved.

Besides, those policy riders the repubs want would only affect the rest of this years budget, dems would just throw them back into the 2012 budget anyway.

And while a week by week budget is no way to run ANYTHING, the big reason an extension won't happen unless a full budget is ready is cause of the troops. Dems do not want the troops paid during a shutdown. Hoping it will take some votes away from the repubs, which troops tend to lean more towards. Otherwise the dems would agree to a one week extension minus the riders, and continue to work on the issue.

Both parties are assholes for letting it get this far, but you really got to wonder why a budget wasn't done before elections, then after elections. They controlled both houses, they could have easily passed it. Instead they let this happen on purpose.

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Otherwise the dems would agree to a one week extension minus the riders, and continue to work on the issue.

I guess you missed the part in the news that said the dems would do exactly that if that were the case.

[Kyra231]

I am an active duty Marine Infantryman, and after tomorrow, I am not getting paid until the politicians stop bickering and act grown up enough to compromise..... I am fully against this, and anyone that supports the troops should be also.

I have a lot of friends in Afghanistan right now that aren't getting paid after tomorrow either, and IMO, it is a sad fucking day if you are putting your life on the line and not getting paid to protect the freedom of politicians bitchy speech.

:yeahthat: We're on deployment #4, nothing like not getting paid to help a guy worry how his family back home is doing.

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I would still love to hear some kind of explanation of how a government shutdown would be a good thing.

[waywardgs]

:yeahthat: We're on deployment #4, nothing like not getting paid to help a guy worry how his family back home is doing.


That is royally fucked.

[Androidpk]

I would still love to hear some kind of explanation of how a government shutdown would be a good thing.

It would be good for sleazy politicians trying to make themselves look good.

Frankly I'm tired of both parties. Nothing but one side blaming the other while trying to make themselves look like the superior party. Both sides have done their part in wrecking this country and putting us on the path of complete failure.

[Back]

It would be good for sleazy politicians trying to make themselves look good.

Frankly I'm tired of both parties. Nothing but one side blaming the other while trying to make themselves look like the superior party. Both sides have done their part in wrecking this country and putting us on the path of complete failure.

While I agree with you in principal the democrats in this situation have shown that they can compromise.

[Androidpk]

While I agree with you in principal the democrats in this situation have shown that they can compromise.

The Democrats have also shown how fiscally irresponsible they can be. Just because they're willing to compromise on this issue does nothing to impress me. Neither side is willing to make the choices that they should be making, the choices that would be right for this country. It all boils down to what they can do for themselves and their reelections.

[Back]

The Democrats have also shown how fiscally irresponsible they can be. Just because they're willing to compromise on this issue does nothing to impress me. Neither side is willing to make the choices that they should be making, the choices that would be right for this country. It all boils down to what they can do for themselves and their reelections.

Wait... so the democrats are demonstrating how irresponsible they can be by compromising on the budget?

When you say “neither side is willing to make the choices that they should be making; the choices that would be right for this country.” it sounds to me like you are talking strictly about the republicans who can’t seem to compromise and worry more about reelection.

[Androidpk]

Wait... so the democrats are demonstrating how irresponsible they can be by compromising on the budget?

When you say “neither side is willing to make the choices that they should be making; the choices that would be right for this country.” it sounds to me like you are talking strictly about the republicans who can’t seem to compromise and worry more about reelection.

I meant overall. For this case, strictly speaking, I guess the democrats do have an edge over the republicans for willing to compromise.

[Cyprion]

I'm a government contractor myself. I wouldn't mind an extended weekend, but if this drags on for awhile, that would kinda suck. Rather not drain savings while they figure this out.

To not pay troops in harms way is totally wrong. Can't believe they are going to do that if this shutdown happens.

As far as the gi bill being halted, I hope not. I enjoy me free housing allowance every month for going to night classes. I'd like a source on that as well, because from what I heard, it would not be effected.

[Parkbandit]

While I agree with you in principal the democrats in this situation have shown that they can compromise.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-CJ_iLkiZHgc/TWZfmW9q2yI/AAAAAAAARyk/zVaSWFV1YfY/s1600/wtf-cat.jpg

I think the Dems already have a Fanboy, Backlash... sorry :(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4D6S-WCxNg&feature=player_embedded

[Delias]

I wonder how long a government shutdown will have to be in effect before rioting starts.

[AnticorRifling]

I wonder how long a government shutdown will have to be in effect before rioting starts.

Don't pay your military and it'll happen pretty quick.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

As much as it pains me to say it, entitlements, and those that support entitlements, shouldn't be part of a shutdown. That said, I believe quite a few of them are.

[Delias]

Don't pay your military and it'll happen pretty quick.

I hope it does. I sent my taxes in by mail. I am either getting my cash or some new electronics during the riots, damnit.

[Fallen]

I hope it does. I sent my taxes in by mail. I am either getting my cash or some new electronics during the riots, damnit.

Or the biggest TV you can manage to drag back to your house.

[Androidpk]

I'd get me some heineken!

[AnticorRifling]

Well hell there's this HK-PSG1 I've got my eye on I bet I could make that happen although looting a gun store is probably riskier than a best buy during a riot.

[Delias]

On the plus side I got my state refund already... maybe I can hope I sent my shit in early enough to get paid.

I am thinking the microcenter across the street is a good choice. It's close enough that even I can run that far.

[Androidpk]

Some riots might do this country some good.

(Not that I'm promoting rioting.)

[Gompers]

I am an active duty Marine Infantryman, and after tomorrow, I am not getting paid until the politicians stop bickering and act grown up enough to compromise..... I am fully against this, and anyone that supports the troops should be also.

I have a lot of friends in Afghanistan right now that aren't getting paid after tomorrow either, and IMO, it is a sad fucking day if you are putting your life on the line and not getting paid to protect the freedom of politicians bitchy speech.

I just read that Navy Fed is planning on paying out servicemembers paychecks in advance. Just an FYI, something to let your platoon know about. Im not sure if you bank with them - I had the ghetto Pacific Marine bank when I was in, and i doubt they are doing the same.

[Buckwheet]

Don't pay your military and it'll happen pretty quick.

Quicker if we arm them?

[Fallen]

Some riots might do this country some good.

(Not that I'm promoting rioting.)

I'm all for it. I live on an army base, and the security are all non-military essential personel.

[AnticorRifling]

Quicker if we arm them?

They've already got arms, if they didn't their backpacks would slide right off. Duh.

[Androidpk]

I'm all for it. I live on an army base, and the security are all non-military essential personel.

Base security is non-military?!? When did that job start getting contracted out?

[AnticorRifling]

Probably around the same time my MOS was being phased out to civilians. It's failing for them and they are looking at phasing back in. Go go non military decision makers!

[Fallen]

MPs are too valuable to waste guarding the base, or so they said. They USED to do so, then we got into 2 wars.

[Parkbandit]

Some riots might do this country some good.



Which riots?

[AnticorRifling]

MPs are too valuable to waste guarding the base, or so they said. They USED to do so, then we got into 2 wars.

I can understand moving them forward but I don't like the idea of civilians guarding access to in country military complexes.

[Fallen]

I can understand moving them forward but I don't like the idea of civilians guarding access to in country military complexes.

This base is like 1/3 Army, 2/3 Civilian.

[AnticorRifling]

That's almost half!

[Androidpk]

Which riots?

The quiet riots.

[AnticorRifling]

The quiet riots.

I felt the noise from those.

[Parkbandit]

The quiet riots.

I was just curious which riots you thought would do this country some good... because I can't think of any.

[Buckwheet]

Not sure if this is related.

For the first time ever driving by the munitions depot I saw many Army Reserve standing outside waiting for buses.

Does anyone know if the shutdown would mean they no longer stay on site or whatever? And why the hell are they all having to take the bus?

I have driven by this place every day for three years and you always see trucks of soldiers moving around.

Today nothing, just a shit load waiting at the regular bus stop with their gear.

[Androidpk]

I was just curious which riots you thought would do this country some good... because I can't think of any.

I'm not talking about any riots that may have happened in the past. And maybe my choice of the word riot is a bit strong, but I do believe people need to take a more active stance in holding the government accountable for its actions.

[Androidpk]

Not sure if this is related.

For the first time ever driving by the munitions depot I saw many Army Reserve standing outside waiting for buses.

Does anyone know if the shutdown would mean they no longer stay on site or whatever? And why the hell are they all having to take the bus?

I have driven by this place every day for three years and you always see trucks of soldiers moving around.

Today nothing, just a shit load waiting at the regular bus stop with their gear.

Could it have anything to do with a bunch of reserves getting recalled these past 2 weeks?

[Parkbandit]

I'm not talking about any riots that may have happened in the past. And maybe my choice of the word riot is a bit strong, but I do believe people need to take a more active stance in holding the government accountable for its actions.

Seeing how riots are violent, perhaps that really wasn't the best word.

Protests are fine.. and actually great for a Republic, but riots are never good (even when it's the hippies getting their stinky teeth kicked in)

[Warriorbird]

Well hell there's this HK-PSG1 I've got my eye on I bet I could make that happen although looting a gun store is probably riskier than a best buy during a riot.

One of the few Human Target episodes I ever liked involved a shootout in a gun shop.

As a general note: Remember how I said the Tea Party was going to haunt you, Republicans?

[Parkbandit]

One of the few Human Target episodes I ever liked involved a shootout in a gun shop.

As a general note: Remember how I said the Tea Party was going to haunt you, Republicans?

No?

<< Republican, not haunted by the Tea Party

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

LMAO. Tea Party is haunting Republicans?

[Clove]

Could it have anything to do with a bunch of reserves getting recalled these past 2 weeks?The trucks were using too much gas getting to Afghanistan.

[Parkbandit]

LMAO. Tea Party is haunting Republicans?

Remember, WB said it... so take it for what it's worth.

[Gelston]

I am an active duty Marine Infantryman, and after tomorrow, I am not getting paid until the politicians stop bickering and act grown up enough to compromise..... I am fully against this, and anyone that supports the troops should be also.

I have a lot of friends in Afghanistan right now that aren't getting paid after tomorrow either, and IMO, it is a sad fucking day if you are putting your life on the line and not getting paid to protect the freedom of politicians bitchy speech.

You are aware they passed a bill to fund the military for the rest of the fiscal year right? our pay isn't getting fucked with.

[Beguiler]

Heh, the legal office here at Great Lakes just sent out that the House passed a one week extension this afternoon to fund the government. Haven't seen it in the news feeds yet. Just dragging it on, and on...[/font]

[Parkbandit]

Heh, the legal office here at Great Lakes just sent out that the House passed a one week extension this afternoon to fund the government. Haven't seen it in the news feeds yet. Just dragging it on, and on...[/font]

Harry Reid has stated that this bill is dead on arrival to the Senate... and Obama has also stated that he will veto it if it passes.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Harry Reid has stated that this bill is dead on arrival to the Senate... and Obama has also stated that he will veto it if it passes.

I believe he means a rider free bill, or a "clean" CR, but that would require 100% of the senate to pass it. I believe 6 republican senators voted against it.

[Kyra231]

You are aware they passed a bill to fund the military for the rest of the fiscal year right? our pay isn't getting fucked with.

Wonder why LES shows one weeks pay then? :(

[Gelston]

Wonder why LES shows one weeks pay then? :(

It wouldn't have effected your LAST paycheck on the 1st either way. So it is a problem with your pay. I was paid just fine. Your LES for THIS month isn't out yet, so I don't know how you'd see that.

[AnticorRifling]

Yeah I was going to say LES is always for last pay period...you need to make a phone call.

[Kyra231]

DEFENSE FINANCE AND ACCOUNTING SERVICE MILITARY NET PAY ADVICE
The amount in block 6 is your net pay for the pay day indicated in block 4 and was sent to the financial organization in block 7 for credit to your account.* When cashing a personal check at your* financial organization on payday,* advise your teller you are a participant in the Direct Deposit Program.* It will help you with better service.* If you are paid once a month or you do not have your pay sent to a financial* organization for direct deposit, information in block 5 through 7 will not* be present and this form is intended to provide you with the remarks information* only.
** 1. MEMBER'S NAME AND ADDRESS
**************
** 2. SSN
**********
** 3.* ADSN/DSSN
********
** 4. PAY DATE
****11 APR 15
** 5.* ACCOUNT NUMBER
****
** 6.* NET PAY AMOUNT
**** $926.98
** 7.* YOUR NET PAY WAS FORWARDED TO:

****USAA FEDERAL SAVINGS BANK
****USAA BUILDING
****SAN ANTONIO TX 78288-0001


** 8. REMARKS***
**


That is up on mypay right now. Half a check and no, it's not the last one which we already received. **

[Gelston]

Oops! I was wrong! The shit I've been seeing has said it was already through. Checking for internet sources, I see that it has passed the House but Obama might veto it. What a dick.

[AnticorRifling]

Call DFAS I bet no one else is calling them ...fuck I'd hate to be DFAS right now.

[Kyra231]

Call DFAS I bet no one else is calling them ...fuck I'd hate to be DFAS right now.

Lol, I'm not calling them(if I worked at DFAS I'd have brought some cellophane to work & crinkle it in the receiver when ppl started bitching. "What?? I can't hear you!! You're breaking up!!).

We're fine financially but I think it's b.s. either way. A lot of people are living check to check right now & this is going to screw them if they drag it out.

[Kembal]

Oops! I was wrong! The shit I've been seeing has said it was already through. Checking for internet sources, I see that it has passed the House but Obama might veto it. What a dick.

The veto's for putting another $12 billion in cuts to just keep the government open one week.

The Senate would pass a clean CR to keep the government open one week to keep negotiations going if needed. The House Republicans have said they will not agree to it.

Gotta remember, they've already cut $10 billion in spending via the past two CRs.

[Firestorm Killa]

I am an active duty Marine Infantryman, and after tomorrow, I am not getting paid until the politicians stop bickering and act grown up enough to compromise..... I am fully against this, and anyone that supports the troops should be also.

I have a lot of friends in Afghanistan right now that aren't getting paid after tomorrow either, and IMO, it is a sad fucking day if you are putting your life on the line and not getting paid to protect the freedom of politicians bitchy speech.

But you will get paid eventually. Sure it will come later, but you will get paid. I am for a government shutdown just for the reason it will hopefully wake the damn politicians up.

[Gelston]

But you will get paid eventually. Sure it will come later, but you will get paid. I am for a government shutdown just for the reason it will hopefully wake the damn politicians up.

Congress is getting paid regardless.

[Firestorm Killa]

Congress is getting paid regardless.

But so is the president(and his family) and Senate. I personally think they shouldn't be getting paid during a shutdown. And even if they government wasn't shutting down I think their pay needs to be cut. There is no good reason why the president and other politicians should make more then the troops imo. But what can you do? Until there is a third party that is not identical to the others(Republicans and Dems are both the same imo) there is nothing you can do.

[Gelston]

But so is the president(and his family) and Senate. I personally think they shouldn't be getting paid during a shutdown. And even if they government wasn't shutting down I think their pay needs to be cut. There is no good reason why the president and other politicians should make more then the troops imo. But what can you do? Until there is a third party that is not identical to the others(Republicans and Dems are both the same imo) there is nothing you can do.

I remember reading somewhere of something that would have their pay cease during a shut down. Of course they'd have to vote on it.

[Firestorm Killa]

I remember reading somewhere of something that would have their pay cease during a shut down. Of course they'd have to vote on it.

Yeah I think Clyder posted it in one of his threads. Not 100% though.

[Latrinsorm]

One of the few Human Target episodes I ever liked involved a shootout in a gun shop.How can you not like this show. Note how this isn't a question.

[Parkbandit]

The veto's for putting another $12 billion in cuts to just keep the government open one week.

The Senate would pass a clean CR to keep the government open one week to keep negotiations going if needed. The House Republicans have said they will not agree to it.

Gotta remember, they've already cut $10 billion in spending via the past two CRs.

10 billion or 12 billion sounds like a shitload of money.. until you put it in the context of their 3.5 TRILLION budget.

10 billion here and 12 billion there is like change in your couch... you could easily live without it.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

7 billion is the interest on our debt for 10 days, if that helps put it into perspective.

[Kembal]

10 billion or 12 billion sounds like a shitload of money.. until you put it in the context of their 3.5 TRILLION budget.

10 billion here and 12 billion there is like change in your couch... you could easily live without it.

Oh, I agree on that. I've posted on that before.

It was more of a comparison that to keep the government open a month previously, the Republicans had demanded $10 billion in cuts. To keep the government open another week, they were asking for another $12 billion.

Anyway, moot point, they reached a deal. Crisis averted until the debt limit vote comes.