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Gan
03-17-2011, 06:05 PM
OH, HILL NO

Obama's indecision on Libya has pushed Clinton over the edge
By Joshua Hersh Thursday, March 17, 2011

Fed up with a president “who can’t make his mind up” as Libyan rebels are on the brink of defeat, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is looking to the exits.

At the tail end of her mission to bolster the Libyan opposition, which has suffered days of losses to Col. Moammar Gadhafi’s forces, Clinton announced that she’s done with Obama after 2012 — even if he wins again.

“Obviously, she’s not happy with dealing with a president who can’t decide if today is Tuesday or Wednesday, who can’t make his mind up,” a Clinton insider told The Daily. “She’s exhausted, tired.”

He went on, “If you take a look at what’s on her plate as compared with what’s on the plates of previous Secretary of States — there’s more going on now at this particular moment, and it’s like playing sports with a bunch of amateurs. And she doesn’t have any power. She’s trying to do what she can to keep things from imploding.”

Clinton is said to be especially peeved with the president’s waffling over how to encourage the kinds of Arab uprisings that have recently toppled regimes in Egypt and Tunisia, and in particular his refusal to back a no-fly zone over Libya.

In the past week, former President Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton’s former top adviser Anne-Marie Slaughter lashed out at Obama for the same reason.

The tension has even spilled over into her dealings with European diplomats, with whom she met early this week.

When French president Nicolas Sarkozy urged her to press the White House to take more aggressive action in Libya, Clinton repeatedly replied only, “There are difficulties,” according to Foreign Policy magazine.

“Frankly we are just completely puzzled,” one of the diplomats told Foreign Policy magazine. “We are wondering if this is a priority for the United States.”

Or as the insider described Obama’s foreign policy shop: “It’s amateur night.”

Clinton revealed her desire to leave yesterday in an interview with CNN’s Wolf Blitzer, responding four times to his questions about whether she would accept a post during a potential second Obama administration with a single word: “No.”

Philippe Reines, an adviser and spokesman for Clinton, downplayed thesignificance of the interview, saying, “He asked, she answered. Really that simple. wasn’t a declaration.”

But her blunt string of four “no’s” followed a period of intense frustration for the secretary, according to the insider, who told The Daily that Clinton has grown weary of fighting an uphill battle in the administration.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates came out against a no-fly zone almost two weeks ago, while Clinton grew closer to the Libyan opposition.

Last week, excommunicated members of Libya’s embassy to the United States set up shop in an office inside the State Department.

Obama himself made light of her strong feelings for supporting the opposition in a speech last week at the Gridiron Club Dinner, an annual gathering that traditionally features a stand-up comedy act by the president.

"I’ve dispatched Hillary to the Middle East to talk about how these countries can transition to new leaders — though, I’ve got to be honest, she’s gotten a little passionate about the subject,” Obama said to laughter from the audience.

“These past few weeks it’s been tough falling asleep with Hillary out there on Pennsylvania Avenue shouting, throwing rocks at the window.”

And to some, the firing last week of State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley over disparaging remarks he made about the Pentagon detention policies had the appearance of a power move by the Defense Department more than anything else.

While the stakes in Libya could not be higher, the insider said that something far more domestic was on Clinton’s mind after she leaves the State Department: “She wants to be a grandmother more than anything."


— [I]With Anthony DeCeglie

http://www.thedaily.com/page/2011/03/17/031711-news-hillary-2-2/
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Interesting...

Tgo01
03-17-2011, 06:30 PM
If only the whole Libya rebellion were because the government wanted to crack down on organized unions, then I bet Obama would be all over this.

Gan
03-17-2011, 06:45 PM
LOL

~Rocktar~
03-17-2011, 07:22 PM
If only the Libyan rebel leaders would promise to set up a Socialist collective paradise run on solar power and rainbows, governed by the peaceful and benevolent Sharia Law while exporting their oil in Eco-friendly union tanker ships to the US, then I bet Obama would be all over this.

crb
03-17-2011, 08:45 PM
Is this article real? It reads like something from The Onion.

But I suppose that is how laughable Obama's foreign policy is, really. Indecision, waffling.

You don't risk american lives using cruise missiles and drones dude, and you can't launch air raids when your air base runways have craters in them. Put two and two together and make shit happen. Drones for choppers, no runways for jets. No lives at risk (not that I even think using B2s or F22s would be risking them against this airforce...)

People are all worried "Where does it stop? Do we invade? We can't handle another war." Fuck war, the rebels just need air cover, we can provide that in our sleep. Drop the hammer. If arabs are asking us to bomb them, maybe that should tell you something. Remember how quickly we trounced Saddam's army, both times? Destroying a little dictator's military is fucking easy for the United States, occupying a country that doesn't want you there is the hard part, but in this case, we never need to put a foot on soil.

People speculated on Saddam's ties to terrorism, Qaddafi has fucking admitted it, and since he has pissed on any goodwill he may have earned recently by supposedly turning away from it, he is bound to return to his old ways if he can quash this rebellion.

Now the rebels have almost lost. Way to drag your feet. I guess we needed China's permission to prevent a cleansing?

I'll wait and see what he does now. If I were president the second the UN voted (since apparently we decided to ask their permission to prevent a war crime), cruise missiles would have been launched to start softening air defenses and the B2s would have been fueled, some 30 ish hours later have the B2s destroy whatever air defenses are left. Then start running sorties out of bases in Italy until the Enterprise carrier group can get closer... which I would have moved two weeks ago mind you. I told my wife two weeks ago "I don't know why our dipshit president doesn't move it into the med." failing to prepare and all that.

/endrant

Parkbandit
03-17-2011, 10:30 PM
Hillary 2012?

Warriorbird
03-17-2011, 10:42 PM
Eh. More likely "Hillary joins the profitable Bill Clinton gives speeches business."

4a6c1
03-17-2011, 11:24 PM
Until I was at least 20 I pronounced Colonel phonetically. COL-AH-NELL. I'm a phonetic thinker. It's a terrible disability.



Also. Hail hail, Darth Hillary!

Stanley Burrell
03-18-2011, 12:27 AM
She sounds as if she ran against Obama or something in a frickin' presidential election.

Archigeek
03-18-2011, 12:54 AM
Hillary 2012?

That's what I'm thinking.

Parkbandit
03-18-2011, 08:48 AM
That's what I'm thinking.

I think there would have to be something big to happen for her to challenge Obama for the nomination. Her personal ambitions aside, even her stones aren't big enough to challenge Obama in the current political climate. If our economy dips back down into another recession and unemployment goes back up over 10, then I think she would be ready to go. Obama just seeming indecisive on big events isn't enough to get her to run.

IorakeWarhammer
03-18-2011, 08:57 AM
indecision on Libya? wtf? we're already in 2 quagmires.. now you want to invade North Africa?
http://www.toppun.com/ProductImages/anti-Bush/funny_anti_bush_pictures/Iraq_is_Arabic_for_Quagmire_anti-Bush_Iraq_War_small.jpg

I LOVE THE TROOPS!! I SUPPORT THEM OMG!!

http://www.bagnewsnotes.com/files/bagnews/images/Quagmire-1.jpg

Parkbandit
03-18-2011, 09:04 AM
indecision on Libya? wtf? we're already in 2 quagmires.. now you want to invade North Africa?
I LOVE THE TROOPS!! I SUPPORT THEM OMG!!


We already have a WB.. we don't need another idiot creating positions out of thin air.

Indecision doesn't mean invade North Africa. L2English, retard.

IorakeWarhammer
03-18-2011, 09:22 AM
http://s3.amazonaws.com/corpwatch.org/img/original/iraq_dry.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1038/879819795_3b2f1b5809.jpg'

IRAQ - IT WOULD BE A QUAGMIRE!!

http://img.youtube.com/vi/YENbElb5-xY/0.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1323/1373020203_23efb782a5.jpg

Gan
03-18-2011, 10:40 AM
Eh. More likely "Hillary joins the profitable Bill Clinton gives speeches business."

This.

Maybe Hillary in 2016.

ClydeR
03-18-2011, 10:51 AM
Hillary 2012?

Clyde says no.

Atlanteax
03-18-2011, 01:03 PM
Hillary 2012?

Definitely over Fail-bama 2012

Geijon Khyree
03-18-2011, 01:58 PM
I read an article recently that explained the differences in speechs given by Kennedy and Eisenhower and how Obama has shifted his reaction from one of hope to one of patience that sets Obama's agenda in a centralist line. It was a good article, unlike this one. It also touched on Libya and how deep we go into those shark filled waters.

I do agree with some of the posters about moving the Enterprise into the Mediterranean. That scares everyone to death. Now with the U.N sanction and fake cease fire from Libya bombing their runways makes a ton of sense to me and looks to be in the cards.

Ardwen
03-18-2011, 02:12 PM
enterprise and some missile cruisers could level Libyan Military bases in hours, if the Arab nations actually help instead fo posture this could be over fairly fast. Of course theres rioting and other serious issues in how many of the other Arab nations at the moment? I am not sure how many of those nations are actually capable of providing aid to the Libyan people at the moment,

Warriorbird
03-18-2011, 02:16 PM
enterprise and some missile cruisers could level Libyan Military bases in hours, if the Arab nations actually help instead fo posture this could be over fairly fast. Of course theres rioting and other serious issues in how many of the other Arab nations at the moment? I am not sure how many of those nations are actually capable of providing aid to the Libyan people at the moment,

About two...and Mauritania is far away.

Archigeek
03-18-2011, 04:08 PM
I think there would have to be something big to happen for her to challenge Obama for the nomination. Her personal ambitions aside, even her stones aren't big enough to challenge Obama in the current political climate. If our economy dips back down into another recession and unemployment goes back up over 10, then I think she would be ready to go. Obama just seeming indecisive on big events isn't enough to get her to run.

Stop posting things I agree with. It makes me uncomfortable. That said, just because it's a long shot, doesn't mean she doesn't have dreams of how she'd like things to be. Sometimes it's enough that you can't do your job anymore when you think you could do your bosses job better than they can.