I relapsed!

I relapsed!

I didn't go all out.

But I relapsed nonetheless.

Oh well. My limbs feel fucking beautiful right now. If I could see every single vein, vessel and artery, they would be pumping what is now a deliciously warm, soft and ... glowing ::shrug:: blood, which pleasantly poisons and deliciously infects millions and trillions and billions of nerve endings.

It was so worth it. It was so worth it! In all seriousness, relapsing really, really was worth it. And I know in five hours when I come on back down, I may have feelings that are going to be slightly to the contrary, but living in this beautifully clouded moment, I will gladly amplify the remorse and guilt that I soon shall feel, just to hold onto this high for a few more scrumptuous intervals... ::sighs happily::

Ah, such is life: And life is beautiful. Heh. ::relaxed::

[Parker]

:weirdthread:

[Sean of the Thread]

Jesus you just made me want to relapse. I'm going to buy a bottle of gin right now.

chuckle

[Apotheosis]

:no:

i have nothing to say but how unfortunate that is.

[Sean of the Thread]

Pack it! I'm cutting limes right now.. mmm mMMmm

[Chadj]

Both my parents relapsed about two years ago.

It's made my life, and theirs, quite shitty.

Relapsing is never worth it bud.

[Syberus]

Well that's depressing.

[Parker]

Well that goes and kills everyone's apparent chances for recovery.

And now, I am being serious:

Let it fuck up every single fucking liver enzyme that modern science has given a fucking label.

I really want to, right now, sit around in a pile of my own feces reading a Guns & Ammo magazine. I want pain. NOW. Because, right now, as I am higher than the highest flown kite, anything anyone could throw, shoot and stab me with, will only make me feel THAT much more beautiful as it bounces the fuck off .. heh ::grin::

Seriously though, this moment needs to last forever, which is why I'm going to go bumpin' in about five minutes and then laugh in the faces of all conceivable conscience telling me to do otherwise.

Goodbye negativity.
Hello positivity.

- Stanley

[Edited on 6-1-2005 by Stanley Burrell]

[KymberlynX]

Seems like that is happening a lot. :(

Actually..

Right now, ending up, say.... Dead. Or in jail.... are prices I need to pay in order to continue living in this godlike mentality of comprehension and calm. Thank you pills :heart: Hehe.

[Edited on 6-1-2005 by Stanley Burrell]

[Leetahkin]

Originally posted by Syberus
Well that's depressing.

I hope tha hell this thread doesn't make someone else relapse. Shame on you. :(

[Nieninque]

Stanley you're a goober

[SayGoodbye]

It's not fucking worth it man. It's really not.

[Alarke]

A goober? No, he's a fucking moron, but it's his life to fuck up, have fun. He's also just looking for any kind of attention, good or bad, hence posting such dumb shit on here and wasting everyones time. Congrats bud.

[Gan]

It will be interesting to see you reflect on your above comments when you are coming down off your pharma-high.

Hopefully you wont be looking for too much sympathy, I dont imagine lots of folks lining up to hand you that.

[Kainen]

Originally posted by Stanley Burrell
Actually..

Right now, ending up, say.... Dead. Or in jail.... are prices I need to pay in order to continue living in this godlike mentality of comprehension and calm. Thank you pills :heart: Hehe.

[Edited on 6-1-2005 by Stanley Burrell]

I'm sorry.. I don't know how you can allow something else other than yourself controll your life like that. Your post made me sad.. not so much that you relapsed.. but that you don't care. Nothing I say will make any difference to you and that's fine.. but I am sad for you, because you are stuck in addiction.

[Jebus]

MINE SON I FORGIVE THEE FOR THINE SINS


NOW GET THINE ASS BACK INTO REHAB!!!!!





[Edited on 6-1-2005 by Jebus]

[Burnt out Priestess]

Well i dont know what to say,but i hope when you come down and realize that its not as great as it seems right now and you hop back on the wagon,as for Xyelin i hope you also hop back on the wagon after that realization you came to not so long ago,i am also sorry to see you went and bought a bottle of gin.

Surprise surprise, oh wait, no its not.

[Edited on 6-1-2005 by Dave]

[Miss X]

This is really sad and most definitely not worth it. It's also a smack in the face for every single person who wished you luck and wanted to see you get better. Congrats. :(

[Hulkein]

Stanley you've taught me something nice.

At least my friends who are addicted to shit don't brag about it to people that try and help them after relapsing. I guess they could be worse.

[peam]

Truly pathetic, Stanley.

It wouldn't bother me, if you never showed your face on the boards again.

[Edited on 6-1-2005 by peam]

[GSTamral]

<< I'm high as a kite blah blah blah>>>

And this is why you're a failure. And why you always will be, so long as you don't care.

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by Stanley Burrell]And now, I am being serious:

Let it fuck up every single fucking liver enzyme that modern science has given a fucking label.

I really want to, right now, sit around in a pile of my own feces reading a Guns & Ammo magazine. I want pain. NOW. Because, right now, as I am higher than the highest flown kite, anything anyone could throw, shoot and stab me with, will only make me feel THAT much more beautiful as it bounces the fuck off .. heh ::grin::

Seriously though, this moment needs to last forever, which is why I'm going to go bumpin' in about five minutes and then laugh in the faces of all conceivable conscience telling me to do otherwise.

Goodbye negativity.
Hello positivity.

- Stanley
[Edited on 6-1-2005 by Stanley Burrell]

No, you are not being serious.

You are either
A) Being an immature asshole who is NOT relapsing but is simply craving some attention and if that is the case it is terribly sad.

or

B) Being a weak willed ungrateful, insensitive and disrespectfull son and all around human by actually relapsing.

In either case, speaking to you now would be rather pointless.

Get back to me tomorrow and i'll be more than happy to talk to you when you may be actually either in the mood, or in the right state of mind to listen.

Good luck to your parents in any case.

[Edited on 6-1-2005 by Skirmisher]

[Back]

Whoops. Hit a bump in the road. Get back on course if you want. Good luck. Rootin' for ya. If thats what you want anyway.

[Asha]

Hahahah

My friend.
I'm so fucking glad I'm not you in about 13 hours time.
Even though you fucked up, I understand completely why you did.

You're going to learn all over again, EXACTLY why you quit in the first place.
Enjoy the DTs man.
It's gonna fucking hurt.

Good luck

[Drew2]

Originally posted by peam
Truly pathetic, Stanley.

It wouldn't bother me, if you never showed your face on the boards again.

[Edited on 6-1-2005 by peam]

I agree with these statements.

Backlash's positivity is completely misplaced and retarded.

[Jorddyn]

Just a reminder....


Originally posted by Stanley Burrell
This is not a postponement. You had better have realized that while you were typing this because you're not going to put a single addictive substance in your body ever again.

...

Having finished up recently with dual-diagnosis rehabilitation, I know that the most imporant key to never relapsing again is that, as corny as this may sound, if you are NOT finished with your treatment and feel like you don't need to show up for a group, that is a sign that you most definately need to show up. There were many days when I felt that I had made enough progress to not show up, whereas in actuality, it was really an excuse to isolate or even relapse.

...

All in all, you will be letting down a lot of people, including yourself, if you decide to relapse again. And you had better recognize this.

*Edited for grammar.*

-Good Luck,
B.S.G.


Let us know after you've straightened your shit out.

Jorddyn

[Chadj]

Relapsing is for the cool kids.

[Jorddyn]

Originally posted by Chadj
Relapsing is for the cool kids.

I know this was meant to be amusing, but what is "cool" at 15 is usually unbelievably idiotic at 25.

Jorddyn, just saying

Hehehehe aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

You my limbs.

:D:flamed::lol2::spam2::wedgie::scared::S:D

If I'm gonna be da' backstabbin, relentlessly unhopeful, sunavabeech these drugs have made me (OR I ALREADY WAS :D:D:D) ...

Well...

Then...

I revel in it.

I bask in it.

I breath in the evils and exhale a breath of life.

- Thank you.

:spin: :spin:

[GSTamral]

You do whatever you want. Your life, your choice. I just feel sorry for your parents because you're the bum stealing their hard earned money. If all you are capable of doing is fucking up, as I said before, your parents should cut the tie, send you off on your own, and stop suffering because they've done all they can, and they shouldn't have to worry about where their next meal is coming from so you can get another high.

[Sean of the Thread]

Originally posted by Burnt out Priestess
Well i dont know what to say,but i hope when you come down and realize that its not as great as it seems right now and you hop back on the wagon,as for Xyelin i hope you also hop back on the wagon after that realization you came to not so long ago,i am also sorry to see you went and bought a bottle of gin.

I didn't really go buy a bottle of gin and I'm still on teh wagon. It felt good posting that.... it all sounded just like I imagine it would feel.

[Wezas]

<waits for HN's post>

[DeV]

Damn Stan...

:(

[Snapp]

What an asshole thing to post.

::sigh::

Nah, just thanking you for supporting me or not:

-This looked kind of funny, though:

Originally posted by GSTamral
You do whatever you want. Your life, your choice. I just feel sorry for your parents because you're the bum stealing their hard earned money. If all you are capable of doing is fucking up, as I said before, your parents should cut the tie, send you off on your own, and stop suffering because they've done all they can, and they shouldn't have to worry about where their next meal is coming from so you can get another high.

My parents are rich though, they just had sushi the other day.

I think it's funny cause of how much fucking ass I currently suck as an almost completely non-functional human being and yet, for whatever reasons the forces of the universe have dictated, will still be endowed with much more financial prowess than you could ever dream of Tamral. Decorate your cubicle with as many engineering degrees as you fancy. You're still very much a loser.. ..and take in mind that I, a loser too and a bum am the one telling you "What is up..."

:smug:

[xtc]

It is useless to talk to someone when they are high. Wait till Stanley comes down.

[Asha]

Originally posted by xtc
It is useless to talk to someone when they are high. Wait till Stanley comes down.

my point exactly

Originally posted by Drayal

Originally posted by Chadj
Relapsing is for the cool kids.

Yeah really cool!!

I relapsed 9 times over the period of 4 years.
The last one was when I realised withdrawals was the worst thing I've ever felt.
Worse than family death.
Worse than losing you're lover.
Worse than being told you're gonna die.
Worse than ANY illness you've ever felt in your ENTIRE life!

Now all Stanley needs to do is go through that hurt one more time.
Even though right now he feels like it's perfect (becouse it really does feel like that), it has to come crashing down, and he must feel the most intense hurt in the universe.
Nothing any of you can say will help him now.
His body is gonna rip him to pieces and he'll have to deal with that before he'll hear you.

Stanley, if you need, call me.
AIM - Greybluehue.

I'm gonna binge for like one more day and then maybe I will, yes.

Also smack is really bad.

Prescription tranquilizers are awesome because there is no withdrawal: You get your buzz, it gets better, it levels, fades... And you feel fine all the while.

It's when you don't really feel all that well that it is when you should take, not smack (duh) but a small dose of the benzos. They are extremely helpful. And not at all similar to smack, so that if you've fucked up previously, you don't have to worry about getting hooked on them. All addict-talk aside :cool2:

[SayGoodbye]

Stanley you just need to stop typing now.

Go ahead and fuck up your own life. I hope it's miserable. But how selfish can you be coming here and posting that shit when you know other people are struggling to avoid being as much of a screw up as you?

Just stop. Go be high by yourself. And get used to it.

[StrayRogue]

Some advice I think you should take:

Removed the picture.

[Edited on 6-2-2005 by Ilvane]

[Nieninque]

Originally posted by Stanley Burrell
Stop being a victim and do something about it. Everybody who had read your posts is going to keep on becoming a lot more stupid. Don't bring us down to your level. Either stop posting, or start posting when you grow a brain.

Many Thanks.

[Sean of the Thread]

PWNED!!!

lol

[4a6c1]

Do what makes you happy Stan. Live in the moment.

:flames:

[Brattt8525]

By coming to this board and literally bragging about relapsing speaks volumes.

I can understand someone relapsing but to come here and practically brag about it? Your parents may leave you money seeing as as you said they are rich too bad it couldn't buy you a brain or the spine to use what little is left of your fried brain cells.

[DCSL]

Holy General Grievous, you're a weakling. I hate weaklings.

[Shari]

I am so, SO lost.

While I think that relapsing on ANYTHING and then coming to brag about it is incredibly stupid...I'm curious...

what the fuck is he high on?

[Glavenfyre]

God I wish Trent Reznor would relapse, then he could make good music again.

[Sean of the Thread]

He is being a dumb fuck no doubt.. .... but I swear to god if I was to get drunk and feel alllllllllll self medicated and consumed by my addiction again I would be posting the same shit he is. I didn't realize how CONSUMED I was by my addiction until the Friday morn after my rock ROCK ROCK bottom night. In the past couple weeks I realized I was REALLY CONSUMED.. he fell off the wagon today. I understand. I WANT to fall off the wagon. I want to feel the way I did. It feels SO GOOD to be the way I was and no doubt that is how he is feeling now. But he will feel worse soon.. and sooner or later enough is enough and he will make the decision.

Don't try to rationalize your steps backwards man.... take a few steps back and dig deep. I hope manana you are going to feel like complete garbage and make strides for yoru future.

[Back]

Originally posted by Jesae
I am so, SO lost.

While I think that relapsing on ANYTHING and then coming to brag about it is incredibly stupid...I'm curious...

what the fuck is he high on?

Tranquilizers if I understand it right. Pill-popper. Meds. Not Oxy, something probably more devious if not less addictive. If its valium, I’m going to laugh.

[4a6c1]

He took too much Midol. OMG ME TOO.

[Back]

Isn’t that a PMS medication? What are you saying here??

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Wezas
<waits for HN's post>

Heh. Yeah.

When I read Stanley's opening post, I was tempted to simply nuke the thread. Then, I started reading the responses and realized I didn't have to do so. You guys have spoken to the problem most eloquently.

Thank you, Stanley, for trying to share your idiocy with our younger posters. That was really very cool of you. As you can see, it has brought you such a huge amount of respect.

Thank you, too, for taking the risk of triggering others who are working hard at overcoming addiction and making progress toward becoming the people they really want to be. That was ever so thoughtful of you. Then again, I guess it proves what you really are, doesn't it?

You guys, with the current exception of Stanley, are an awesome group! Stanley, at this time, is a waste of DNA. I pity your parents, Stanley. Obviously, they get no love, or respect, from you. They get only pain and suffering as a result of your unbelievable selfishness and stupidity.

Rock on, Stanley. There's a gutter waiting for you. Might as well start decorating it.

[4a6c1]

Originally posted by Backlash
Isn’t that a PMS medication? What are you saying here??

:lol2:

Sorry. Silly situation and I totally dont get it. Im amusing myself again.

[Edited on 6-2-2005 by JihnasSpirit]

[Back]

Midol (http://www.midol.com/index.cfm)

<-- being stupid

[4a6c1]

:lol:

Thats totally what he took too much of. LOOK HOW HAPPY THEY ARE!!!

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Jesae
I am so, SO lost.

While I think that relapsing on ANYTHING and then coming to brag about it is incredibly stupid...I'm curious...

what the fuck is he high on?

Benzodiazepines, according to Stanley. The really sad thing is, the damned fool knows absolutely nothing about them. He can rant and rave all he wants to about how much he knows; however, I happen to know he knows next to nothing. :rolleyes:

[Edited on 6-2-2005 by HarmNone]

[Zentoph]

He's my inspiration to never become so consumed.


I hope you regret this Stanley, it'll do you a whole lotta good.

[Hulkein]

Reading some of his posts here that make almost no sense (if any) reminds me of what he was like when he first started posting here.

Remember, when everyone thought he was an annoying freak?

Circling the wagons.

[Jolena]

Well, all I have to say is wow. Not to Stanley, because he doesn't deserve any response from me about his actions. But to HN, because wow! I don't think I've ever heard her just give up like this on someone. Makes ya go Hmmmm.. doesn't it?


P.S. I completely understand why HN did it, I'm just in shock though. You gotta fuck up really bad to get that from her, I would think.

[HarmNone]

Actually, I've spoken to Stanley about making posts supporting drug use before...multiple times. It's not like he doesn't know better. I've tried to help Stanley on numerous occasions, both with his drug problem, and with other problems for which he's asked advice. I'm sure others here have done the same.

The world doesn't revolve around Stanley, despite his protestations to the contrary. He obviously doesn't give a flying flip who he hurts as long as he gets his jollies. For that kind of person, I have no empathy, no sympathy, and no tolerance. I'd just as soon he, and those like him, not bless us with their presence. They serve no useful purpose.

[hectomaner]

Originally posted by HarmNone

Thank you, too, for taking the risk of triggering others who are working hard at overcoming addiction and making progress toward becoming the people they really want to be.


if this is the case of anyone that reads these boards, i am very sorry for them. if reading a post on an internet message board makes them want to go out and relapse, then they have much bigger issues to deal with, and it would probably be beneficial for them to go out and get high.

[Hulkein]

Eh, glorification is glorification.

What Stanley described sounded pretty nice, luckily I just drink, but you never know someone elses past addiction and how they react to reminders of it.

[HarmNone]

Hecotmaner, "triggering" is something that is well known in circles that deal with this issue. When you have the education to back up what you're saying, come back and talk to me about it.

I'm sorry for people who have these issues, too. That's why I don't want some no-account triggering those issues with which they're struggling.

[hectomaner]

Originally posted by HarmNone
When you have the education to back up what you're saying, come back and talk to me about it.


when i have the education i should come talk to you about it huh? maybe when you are educated on the subject, you should come to talk to ME about it.

hows 30 months sober for education? how about a little over 2 years before hand, struggling to get sober, relapsing 5 times, and by that i dont mean a one night thing, i mean going back on several week/month runs.

i do know what i'm talking about. fact is, a lot of the time, relapsing can be the BEST thing to happen to a recovering acoholic/addict. sometimes they just need to go out again, and hit a new low, so they can actually stop taking shit for granted, and be greatful for once in their lives, and get humble. ESSENTIAL to recovery.

but what do i know, i'm not educated in the subject

[Shari]

I'm sorry, but I don't think relapse is something beneficial to those recovering from ANYTHING. The fact that people need to relive something like that as a reminder not do do it again just sounds rediculously stupid to me.

That being said, relapse isn't something that a person falls "victim" to. People will not go sober because other's want them to. It is a personal choice. People make the decision to get better and do so, those who do not...well, we know what happens to them.

Have I ever been in this situation? Thank god no. Then what the fuck do I know, right? I know several people with addictions to drugs/alchohol. I know children/teens under adult supervision who don't exactly have a choice in the matter legally, so this doesn't exactly apply. But grown adults have to take the steps, no one will do it for them. Its just sad that there are some on here that support those who relapse.

[HarmNone]

Street education, while not to be denigrated, is not the only education available on drugs, or on drug abuse, Hectomaner. With your background, you should certainly understand the problem with triggering.

Additionally, I understand the backsliding, and I understand its value to the individual involved. However, coming to a message board extolling the virtues of drug abuse is not acceptable. It also does nobody any good. Get my point now?

[HarmNone]

Additionally, to all of you who have struggled with addiction, and are still struggling, I salute you. It's not an easy path, and you're to be commended for keeping your word to yourself, and to those who care about you.

You're also to be commended, and thanked, for not encouraging others to walk the same paths you have walked, and for helping those who might be falling into the trap. Using the lessons you've learned the hard way to keep others from having to go through what you have gone through is a worthy effort. :clap:

[Delirium]

I think its a little harsh all the reactions. Sure he messed up and relapsed. I agree with Backlashes post. Either he gets back on the wagon if he wants to or he doesnt. His choice. He isnt my brother, cousin or dad. He isnt taking anything away from me. Its not like he went to his group high and talked about how great it was. He came to a gemstone message board online. It seems like for those struggling with an addiction it would serve as a pretty good reminder of how foolish you appear to others when there is a relapse and would help them redouble their efforts. The one time i had a script for benzos i abused them as well but they cut me off before it ever was a problem. For the few people i knew who had addictions relapse seems a normal part of the process of getting clean. So when you arnt high anymore if your goal still is to get clean just jump right back on the horse. The only person who has to believe you can is you, ignore the doubters.

I can go "back on the wagon,"

But I don't think that it makes much sence, theoretically, since I will just keep relapsing anyway.

Aite, thanks.

[Czeska]

Welp sounds like a thread killer to me.

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Czeska
Welp sounds like a thread killer to me.

I certainly hope you're right, Czeska. It's gone beyond boring. :yawn:

[Alfster]

A great movie to watch when you're high is trainspotting.

Try it once.

[Mistomeer]

Originally posted by Backlash
If its valium, I’m going to laugh.


Originally posted by Harmnone
Benzodiazepines, according to Stanley.


Survey Says - Valium.

[Leetahkin]

When I first read this, I hate to admit I was curious about those 'euphoric' feelings Stan was talking about. But I know enough to keep myself from stepping over the curious line and trying.

I have no concept what it must be like to have an addiction such as alcohol or drugs. I cannot fathom what it would be like to quit one either, how it would be a constant struggle.

I have great respect for ex-addicts that were able to overcome their "need" for their fix of choice. Any annoyances in my life pale in comparison to the hell they go through to get better.

Stan, I wish you luck.
Xyelin, you sound to be doing great still. Keep it up, hun.
Drayal, you're really strong and it's so great you're able to help these guys, having been there before.

[Delirium]

Im curious about the eurphoric feeling as well. Admittedly the only benzo ive taken was ativan but i never got that feeling. I got a strong emotional numb which was enticing in its own regard. Which benzo is it Stanley and how many mgs are ya taking at a time for a high?

[Gan]

Benzodiazepines:

Brand Names
Some commonly used brand names are:

In the U.S.—

Alprazolam Intensol
Ativan
Dalmane
Diastat
Diazepam Intensol
Dizac
Doral
Halcion
Klonopin
Librium
Lorazepam Intensol
Niravam
Paxipam
ProSom
Restoril
Serax
Tranxene-DS
Tranxene-SD Half Strength
Tranxene T-Tab
Valium
Xanax

Description
Benzodiazepines (ben-zoe-dye-AZ-e-peens) belong to the group of medicines called central nervous system (CNS) depressants (medicines that slow down the nervous system).

Some benzodiazepines are used to relieve anxiety. However, benzodiazepines should not be used to relieve nervousness or tension caused by the stress of everyday life.

Some benzodiazepines are used to treat insomnia (trouble in sleeping). However, if used regularly (for example, every day) for insomnia, they usually are not effective for more than a few weeks.

Many of the benzodiazepines are used in the treatment of other conditions, also. Diazepam is used to help relax muscles or relieve muscle spasm. Diazepam injection is used before some medical procedures to relieve anxiety and to reduce memory of the procedure. Chlordiazepoxide, clorazepate, diazepam, and oxazepam are used to treat the symptoms of alcohol withdrawal. Alprazolam and clonazepam are used in the treatment of panic disorder. Clobazam, clonazepam, clorazepate, diazepam, and lorazepam are used in the treatment of certain convulsive (seizure) disorders, such as epilepsy. The benzodiazepines may also be used for other conditions as determined by your doctor.

Benzodiazepines may be habit-forming (causing mental or physical dependence), especially when taken for a long time or in high doses.

[Leetahkin]

I have a bottle of Lorazepam (was surprised you said it's for seizure disorders) to help with anxiety that was prescribed to me about 5 months ago. I think I've used maybe 5 out of 20, the last one a few weeks ago.

Fucking sucks having flashbacks of a car accident that you thought you were over, having happened over 10 years ago. God damn TV and making accidents look so real (Alias). I was emotionally fucked that night, and am glad I had those pills.

I could see this pill being addicting, as a few times when I took the pills, it had no effect on me. Rather than reach for another pill, I waited the anxiety out.

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Delirium
Im curious about the eurphoric feeling as well. Admittedly the only benzo ive taken was ativan but i never got that feeling. I got a strong emotional numb which was enticing in its own regard. Which benzo is it Stanley and how many mgs are ya taking at a time for a high?

There is no way a discussion of how much benzodiazepine it takes to achieve "euphoria" is going to take place on these message boards.

Abusing prescription drugs is stupid. If you want to do it, that's your choice. Just keep it off the boards.

[Leetahkin]

I agree HN. That wasn't my intention when I commented earlier, and was surprised when Delirium chimed in how he did.

[Edaarin]

Rehab is for quitters.

[Delirium]

Lol i wasnt asking so i could try it. I was wondering how much an addict takes just out of curiousity. I had taken quite a bit before but that was as a newbie and i am not on any medication anymore benzos or otherwise. Its kind of like wanting to know how much an alcoholic can drink. Admittedly that isnt a great reason either but i felt the need to clarify.

Also i dont think no matter how many i took id get a euphoric feeling as body chemistry is different. An alcoholic must get a different high than me off alcohol as i get a sick to my stomach feeling shortly after getting a buzz. My chemistry is different from theirs. Hence alcohol would never be a problem for me.

[HarmNone]

I can understand your curiosity, Delirium. However, this is not the place to discuss it. There was a reason I put quotes around the word euphoric. The effects of various drugs, prescription and otherwise, are different for different people. What might give one person what they consider a feeling of euphoria might leave another quite dead, or intubated in an ICU somewhere wishing they WERE dead.

[Delirium]

I can understand your curiosity, Delirium. However, this is not the place to discuss it.

Fair enough :saint:

[Kyra]

Originally posted by hectomaner
i do know what i'm talking about. fact is, a lot of the time, relapsing can be the BEST thing to happen to a recovering acoholic/addict. sometimes they just need to go out again, and hit a new low, so they can actually stop taking shit for granted, and be greatful for once in their lives, and get humble. ESSENTIAL to recovery.

but what do i know, i'm not educated in the subject

I don't know how your withdrawls were or how any of your addiction went but I'd be DAMNED if it would be a good thing for 99% of people hooked on hard street drugs to go thru all that crap repeatedly, if it doesn't outright kill some.

I've been thru that shit & while I've been off any kind of drugs for over 3 years now without a relapse, I can't see feeling like I "took my recovery for granted."

Withdrawls are hell, the cravings are/were hell & yes in those first few weeks had I been stupid enough to read something like Stanleys original post it may have triggered me to go back to using.. I missed it terribly then.

K.

[Parker]

Usually, if they want to recover, then they are already humbled enough. if they've started the recovery process, I think they probably already have the correct state of mind for it, and if they go and relapse, then they never should have started in the first place.

[Showal]

I don't think that's an accurate statement at all.

[Parker]

Then I might be wrong. I should probably have added that I dont' have a helluva lot of experience with it. Doesn't it seem that a person should have the mentality which is necessary, when they START detoxing?

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Parker
Usually, if they want to recover, then they are already humbled enough. if they've started the recovery process, I think they probably already have the correct state of mind for it, and if they go and relapse, then they never should have started in the first place.

Unfortunately, Parker, in many cases you couldn't be more wrong.

[Nieninque]

Go read up on motivational interviewing, then come and share your expertise

Edited to add a link:

http://www.smmgp.demon.co.uk/html/articles/art004.htm

[Edited on 2-6-05 by Nieninque]

[Parker]

Ahhhh..Well, then I'm wrong.

[HarmNone]

I can understand where your thinking comes from, Parker. However, yours is rational thinking. Rational thinking doesn't apply when dealing with addicts and addiction.

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Kyra

Originally posted by hectomaner
i do know what i'm talking about. fact is, a lot of the time, relapsing can be the BEST thing to happen to a recovering acoholic/addict. sometimes they just need to go out again, and hit a new low, so they can actually stop taking shit for granted, and be greatful for once in their lives, and get humble. ESSENTIAL to recovery.

but what do i know, i'm not educated in the subject

I don't know how your withdrawls were or how any of your addiction went but I'd be DAMNED if it would be a good thing for 99% of people hooked on hard street drugs to go thru all that crap repeatedly, if it doesn't outright kill some.

I've been thru that shit & while I've been off any kind of drugs for over 3 years now without a relapse, I can't see feeling like I "took my recovery for granted."

Withdrawls are hell, the cravings are/were hell & yes in those first few weeks had I been stupid enough to read something like Stanleys original post it may have triggered me to go back to using.. I missed it terribly then.

K.

Thanks for sharing that, Kyra. I'm so glad you've overcome your addiction. The effort you expended in doing so has opened the future for you. :)

[Parker]

Well, maybe my thinking is rational..it's up for debate, thus far.

So a relapse is actually a HELPFUL thing in recovery?

[Nieninque]

It's just a part of addiction

[Parker]

i do know what i'm talking about. fact is, a lot of the time, relapsing can be the BEST thing to happen to a recovering acoholic/addict. sometimes they just need to go out again, and hit a new low, so they can actually stop taking shit for granted, and be greatful for once in their lives, and get humble. ESSENTIAL to recovery.

This threw me for a loop. From what I've seen outside of these boards (not much) and what I read on them (Xyelin, Stanley) It doesn't seem as though relapsing is a good thing at all :no:

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by peam
Truly pathetic, Stanley.

It wouldn't bother me, if you never showed your face on the boards again.

[Edited on 6-1-2005 by peam]

I couldn't possibly agree more. In fact, if Stanley never shows his face on these boards again, I shall rejoice.

What a waste of space!

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Parker
Well, maybe my thinking is rational..it's up for debate, thus far.

So a relapse is actually a HELPFUL thing in recovery?

No, it isn't. It is something that happens, and happens often, but it is not helpful. In fact, it makes treating the addiction that much more difficult, for the one doing the treating, and for the one getting the treatment. That's not to mention what it does to those who care about the one who is addicted enough to try to hang in there and support him/her through it all.

[Delirium]

Originally posted by HarmNone

Originally posted by peam
Truly pathetic, Stanley.

It wouldn't bother me, if you never showed your face on the boards again.

[Edited on 6-1-2005 by peam]

I couldn't possibly agree more. In fact, if Stanley never shows his face on these boards again, I shall rejoice.

What a waste of space!

What does it matter to you or the boards in general if an addict posts? Were you that emotionally invested in his recovery? I dont understand all the animosity toward Stanley. Is there an alterior motive of peer pressure in getting him to try to quit again? Guess im confused as to the motivation.

[Jolena]

He posted a lot about his addiction, his recovery, etc and many people here offered help, talked to him about it, and invested yes, in his recovery. Either with time, emotions or something to that effect.

I would think that the animosity here is because he took all of that advice (you really should read some of his past threads on this) and then came back to 'throw it in everyone's face that helped him' that it was all for naught. As if he is proud of it and doesn't care.

That being said, I'm sure that there are some who are honestly sad for him, myself included, and wish he were more capable of doing what he needs to do to make himself healthy. But for now, yes you will hear the most from those who are angry and feel that he is not worth their time anymore after his past threads and antics.

Just my take on it though. :shrug:

[Parker]

I think it's because everyone put a bit of emotional investment in Stanley and his recovery, and he went and blew it in everyone's faces.

[Delirium]

I was watching a show on tv the other day talking about the % of people trying to quit an addiction. I think it was 5% are successful on the first try. I dunno whether those numbers are correct or not but if they are, getting angry at him is somewhat futile. Id more understand the anger if it was because of him not wanting to get back on the wagon more than just falling off once. I dont know for sure but i suspect Stanley is human and makes mistakes like everyone else. Id much rather see continued support and not hostility but then again this is a gemstone message board and not a support forum. Oh well.

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Delirium

Originally posted by HarmNone

Originally posted by peam
Truly pathetic, Stanley.

It wouldn't bother me, if you never showed your face on the boards again.

[Edited on 6-1-2005 by peam]

I couldn't possibly agree more. In fact, if Stanley never shows his face on these boards again, I shall rejoice.

What a waste of space!

What does it matter to you or the boards in general if an addict posts? Were you that emotionally invested in his recovery? I dont understand all the animosity toward Stanley. Is there an alterior motive of peer pressure in getting him to try to quit again? Guess im confused as to the motivation.

Animosity? Not in my case, I assure you. Disgust is more like it. Pure disust.

[Drew2]

Originally posted by Delirium
What does it matter to you or the boards in general if an addict posts? Were you that emotionally invested in his recovery? I dont understand all the animosity toward Stanley. Is there an alterior motive of peer pressure in getting him to try to quit again? Guess im confused as to the motivation.

Not everyone has patience for total fuck ups.

You're very entitled to have a different opinion on Stanley's lifestyle and general worth, but trying to make people look stupid for disagreeing with your view doesn't make you right.

I can't speak for you, but some of us have personal experience with people similar to Stanley, and when you learn to recognize these people later on, it's much better just to write them off and move on.

[Drew2]

Originally posted by Delirium
I was watching a show on tv the other day talking about the % of people trying to quit an addiction. I think it was 5% are successful on the first try. I dunno whether those numbers are correct or not but if they are, getting angry at him is somewhat futile. Id more understand the anger if it was because of him not wanting to get back on the wagon more than just falling off once. I dont know for sure but i suspect Stanley is human and makes mistakes like everyone else. Id much rather see continued support and not hostility but then again this is a gemstone message board and not a support forum. Oh well.

Something tells me if he came to these boards, feeling guilty and ashamed of relapsing, he would have gotten a dramatically different response. This, however, wasn't the case.

He deserves the reaction he received based on the initial attitude he brought to this thread.

[Delirium]

I wasnt trying to make anyone look stupid. In fact since im the lone voice it is probable im in the wrong.

Thats a good reason Tayre. I looked at his attitude more of being like a teenager when they say "i dont care". Yanno darn well they do or they wouldnt be so obnoxious about it. Guess it could easily and heck even more likely be taken the way you(most everyone) took it.

Also i can see how it would make ya angry and remember your own "lost" people to addiction this way. Thanks for explaining.

[xtc]

Originally posted by Delirium
I was watching a show on tv the other day talking about the % of people trying to quit an addiction. I think it was 5% are successful on the first try. I dunno whether those numbers are correct or not but if they are, getting angry at him is somewhat futile. Id more understand the anger if it was because of him not wanting to get back on the wagon more than just falling off once. I dont know for sure but i suspect Stanley is human and makes mistakes like everyone else. Id much rather see continued support and not hostility but then again this is a gemstone message board and not a support forum. Oh well.

I understand that recovery rates for drug addiction are very low and that not everyone stays clean/sober on their first try. However Stanley has come here seeking attention as he sits around like the loser he currently is, doing drugs saying Mommy and Daddy have money so he is fine. He is acting like a small, self centred, spoilt child. I have no animosity towards Stanley and I feel very sorry for his parents. I certainly am not going to applaud his childish indulgence in drugs, after staying clean for a period of time. Stanley made a decision to get high and he doesn’t seem to want to get clean anymore so currently he is a waste of time and space.

[Leetahkin]

I don't know anyone's business, but does it seem that the people who have not been through (themself) a rough addiction/recovery have the most venom? If I'm wrong, I aplogize now for it.

I most certainly haven't been around the boards long enough to know much about Stanley, or denounce him for reasons other's have given.

From what I can remember reading, Drayal's pops up as most recent, that he went through years of relapsing/recovery.

I hope you can beat it, Stanley. I hope you WANT to beat it.

[Gan]

Originally posted by Tayre
...I can't speak for you, but some of us have personal experience with people similar to Stanley, and when you learn to recognize these people later on, it's much better just to write them off and move on.

I have to agree wholeheartedly with this statement. The only exception is with family. One very nasty side-effect with addictions is that it tends to be parasitic emotionally, physically, and financially not only to the abuser but to friends and family that are associated with them. If you buy into it then you'll enable it. You cant absolutely help someone who doesnt absolutely want to help themselves first.

[Nieninque]

Tayre had it right when he said it was Stanley's attitude in posting that he relapsed that people are pissed off about...not that he relapsed.

[Wezas]

Originally posted by Tayre
I can't speak for you, but some of us have personal experience with people similar to Stanley, and when you learn to recognize these people later on, it's much better just to write them off and move on.

Jesus, I agree with Tayre.

Had one of these type of people in high school. You do what you can to help someone, and if they respond by giving you the big "fuck you" it's time to move on and caulk it up to a loss and waste of time.

[HarmNone]

Stanley has returned to his parental home on the guise of going through rehab. In other words, his parents are footing the bills, putting food in his mouth, clothes on his back, a roof over his head, and their hopes in his future. In return, Stanley, dear boy that he is, is fucking them over one more time.

>>posted on 6-2-2005 at 09:16 Post ID: 371706

I can go "back on the wagon,"

But I don't think that it makes much sence, theoretically, since I will just keep relapsing anyway.

Aite, thanks. <<

Yeah, Stanley. From all the parents who have children they love and care for, whose futures they hope will be bright and full of promise......thank you. Really. You're a shining example of slime.

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Tayre

Originally posted by Delirium
What does it matter to you or the boards in general if an addict posts? Were you that emotionally invested in his recovery? I dont understand all the animosity toward Stanley. Is there an alterior motive of peer pressure in getting him to try to quit again? Guess im confused as to the motivation.

Not everyone has patience for total fuck ups.

You're very entitled to have a different opinion on Stanley's lifestyle and general worth, but trying to make people look stupid for disagreeing with your view doesn't make you right.

I can't speak for you, but some of us have personal experience with people similar to Stanley, and when you learn to recognize these people later on, it's much better just to write them off and move on.

Very well said, Tayre. I couldn't agree more. Cat in Helmet is right on!:thumbsup:

[Brattt8525]

Originally posted by Stanley Burrell
I can go "back on the wagon,"

But I don't think that it makes much sence, theoretically, since I will just keep relapsing anyway.

Aite, thanks.

Good cop out on not doing what is best for you AND the poor people who are your parents.

[SpunGirl]

Originally posted by Nobody Cares
I don't know anyone's business, but does it seem that the people who have not been through (themself) a rough addiction/recovery have the most venom? If I'm wrong, I aplogize now for it.



At least as it applies to myself, I agree with you. I don't "get" addiction. I have a grandfather who is an alcoholic. Last week he fell over in a drunken stumble and put his head through the drywall in his house. I don't get why he can't just put down the fucking bottle and deal with his shit.

I *had* a friend (part of the reason we're not friends anymore is this shit) who was into fixing everything with a pill. Whoever said they put the pills aside and just dealt with their anxiety, bra-fucking-vo. This friend of mine would break up with someone, fight with her stepdad, get a bad grade, and start popping wellbutrin, xanax and valium as fast as she could get them. I told her, "Lisa, life is rough. It sucks, but you just have to get yourself through it. A pill will not fix your problems." She didn't like that and now we're not friends anymore.

In any case - I suppose this is veering slightly off-topic - I just don't get it. Because of that, I tend to be very unsympathetic to people who can't seem to kick their habits time and again.

-K

[HarmNone]

I don't get frustrated with those who cannot kick a drug habit no matter how hard they try. I get very frustrated with those who don't want to kick a drug habit and brag about their prowess with the pills. I also get frustrated with those who use others, including their parents, to facilitate their needs while they continue using and making themselves an even more incompetent loser than they already were. :rolleyes:

[Scott]

Originally posted by SpunGirl

Originally posted by Nobody Cares
I don't know anyone's business, but does it seem that the people who have not been through (themself) a rough addiction/recovery have the most venom? If I'm wrong, I aplogize now for it.



At least as it applies to myself, I agree with you. I don't "get" addiction. I have a grandfather who is an alcoholic. Last week he fell over in a drunken stumble and put his head through the drywall in his house. I don't get why he can't just put down the fucking bottle and deal with his shit.

I *had* a friend (part of the reason we're not friends anymore is this shit) who was into fixing everything with a pill. Whoever said they put the pills aside and just dealt with their anxiety, bra-fucking-vo. This friend of mine would break up with someone, fight with her stepdad, get a bad grade, and start popping wellbutrin, xanax and valium as fast as she could get them. I told her, "Lisa, life is rough. It sucks, but you just have to get yourself through it. A pill will not fix your problems." She didn't like that and now we're not friends anymore.

In any case - I suppose this is veering slightly off-topic - I just don't get it. Because of that, I tend to be very unsympathetic to people who can't seem to kick their habits time and again.

-K

I use to say the same thing, until I was at that point. Going through withdrawl was the most horrible experience of my life. It's hard to describe, but in my 29 years, I've NEVER experience anything like withdrawl.

You're question should be why do people do it in the first place knowing what happens, which I couldn't tell you. I was a fucking idiot. I learned the hard way. It's damn near impossible to stop, because generally when you realize it's time to stop, you are already in way over your head.

[Delirium]

Why do people do it in the first place? I think its like how when vision starts to fade. Over time its such a gradual thing where if it was a light switch it would be much easier to see. When the dr hands ya the glasses for the first time tho suddenly you wonder how the heck you hadnt noticed it way earlier.

I'm already on 40mgs of Lexapro.

Every professional I've seen has wanted to throw in some form of atypical antipsychotic or mood stabilizer in the mix. Some have.

I would rather be a more functional human being who has an addictive personality and may become extremely not functional at times then, say, a low-medium functioning zombie on a plethora of knock-a-mule-on-its-ass medication.

I don't have a history of violence. If the worse does happen, it will be to myself, only. And I am comfortable with that.

[Czeska]

Everything you do affects other people, somewhere. Happy denial.

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Czeska
Everything you do affects other people, somewhere. Happy denial.

Stanley, obviously, is too selfish to stop to think of anyone else, Czeska. It's all about HIM, don'cha know...

[SpunGirl]

Have you guys seen that show, Intervention? Most of the people on there disgust me, because they sit there stonefaced and swear at the people who are sobbing because they're in such a bad state. I guess that's what Stanley's attitude is all about.

-K

[HarmNone]

Stanley's attitude comes from having his head so far up his ass that daylight is only a memory. :rolleyes:

[Parkbandit]

I'd post something here about encouragement and such.. but I'm certainly not surprised by this turn of events in the least.

Good job Stanley.

[HarmNone]

I'm not surprised, either, PB.

Honestly, I don't think Stanley even knows what addiction is or what the fuck he is talking about. BOO HOO, you want some pills and then come on the internet on how glad you are to be back taking them. Seriously man, fuck you. Fuck you and whatever you say. You're really a worthless piece of shit. From what I've seen and experienced myself you're not but a let down to the Human race. Words cannot discribe the disgust I have for you.

- Arkans

[HarmNone]

Well said, Arkans. I think that's the consensus of opinion here. Don't come on these boards and announce that you're making an effort to rid yourself of an addiction, enlist everyone's empathy and offers of help, then sashay in within a month or two bragging about how you're stoned on pills...again. We ain't impressed.

Normally, I wouldn't care about a thread, but this one kind of lands close to home. It makes me sick someone coming on here and bragging about this. Frankly, as far as I'm concerned, Stanley isn't even addicted. He just couldn't find any drugs for a while and is now happy that he found a new connect or is just doing this for attention and everything is made up.

- Arkans

[Apotheosis]

people get or become addicts for different reasons.

And none deserve a pat on the back.

- Arkans

[xtc]

ok I think at this point Stanley gets the general gist of opinion here, to go on further is just Stanley bashing. Perhaps we can lock this thread.

Nah, I just posted what I did because I wanted everyone to know how awesome I was feeling.

When you feel good like that, you tell the world. Heh.

[HarmNone]

Nope. The thread will not be locked. Stanley brought it here, and Stanley will reap the reward (or lack of same).

Riiiiight.

- Arkans

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Stanley Burrell
Nah, I just posted what I did because I wanted everyone to know how awesome I was feeling.

When you feel good like that, you tell the world. Heh.

Thanks, Stanley....but, we don't give a shit.

And I just think you're faking this shit.

- Arkans

Okay.

[Parkbandit]

What cracks me up is that the initial thread by Stanley about how he is going to get some rehab and that he is going to kick this "disease" :rolleyes: ended up with some moderators deleting posts by people telling him how much of an asshat he is. While I don't agree with the Stanley bashing at that point in time, I was all for people posting their true feelings and thoughts.

It's good to know that some of those posts that were pulled were dead on the mark.

Stanley, don't take it that I don't think you havn't done these drugs. I'm sure you have. Physically addicted though? Give me a fucking break. You've just got some kind of mental attachment to this shit and attention.

- Arkans

Possibly.

[Wezas]

It seems the first assessment of Stanley/Hammerrhead was accurate.

Douchebag. :smilegrin:

First impressions are rarely wrong.

- Arkans

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Parkbandit
What cracks me up is that the initial thread by Stanley about how he is going to get some rehab and that he is going to kick this "disease" :rolleyes: ended up with some moderators deleting posts by people telling him how much of an asshat he is. While I don't agree with the Stanley bashing at that point in time, I was all for people posting their true feelings and thoughts.

It's good to know that some of those posts that were pulled were dead on the mark.

Everyone is entitled to some consideration when they're posting, as Stanley was, about a personal problem, like addiction, that they're fighting like demons to overcome. However, Stanley has proven he's a dyed-in-the-wool jackass who has no regard for anyone other than himself. No matter how sincere those people who offered help and support were, Stanley has, in effect, spit in their faces.

The thing is, no one fights an addiction and comes here happy that they fell off the wagon. It just doesn't work that way, not with physical symptoms at least. Mentally, sure, maybe. Then again, I don't consider mental addictions really addictions at all.

- Arkans

Originally posted by Arkans
Stanley, don't take it that I don't think you havn't done these drugs. I'm sure you have. Physically addicted though? Give me a fucking break. You've just got some kind of mental attachment to this shit and attention.

- Arkans

They are mos def physically addictive, Arkans. The first thing a treating clinician for benzo-withdrawal will ask you about is seizures and tremens. The benzos are specifically designed to mess around with your CNS, and at the quantity that I take them at, they are very much physically addictive and habit forming.

I'm not saying whether they are physically addictive are not. I know they are. What I am saying is I don't think YOU were physically addicted to them, just mentally.

- Arkans

Hell yeah I was/am physically addicted to them.

[HarmNone]

Stanley is just a selfish child, Arkans. He won't react as an adult would react under the same circumstances.

[xtc]

Originally posted by HarmNone

Originally posted by Parkbandit
What cracks me up is that the initial thread by Stanley about how he is going to get some rehab and that he is going to kick this "disease" :rolleyes: ended up with some moderators deleting posts by people telling him how much of an asshat he is. While I don't agree with the Stanley bashing at that point in time, I was all for people posting their true feelings and thoughts.

It's good to know that some of those posts that were pulled were dead on the mark.

Everyone is entitled to some consideration when they're posting, as Stanley was, about a personal problem, like addiction, that they're fighting like demons to overcome. However, Stanley has proven he's a dyed-in-the-wool jackass who has no regard for anyone other than himself. No matter how sincere those people who offered help and support were, Stanley has, in effect, spit in their faces.

Stanley is in effect only spitting in his own face and the faces of those in his life. Hopefully one day he will realise this.

Then I have come to the following conclusions:

1. You are not being completely honest on the severity of your addiction.

2. This is all a clever little story you made up.

3. You really are a pity whore

4. You are an idiot that thing drug addiction and use is some badge of honor.

Listen man, I've been there and done it a million times harder than you and this whole little "I LOVE THIS!!!!" after your "I AM GOING TO QUIT!!!" is very uncharacteristic.

- Arkans

Yeah, HN pretty got something that I didn't consider right. That could definately be the case too.

- Arkans

[Wezas]

I was about to do an asshat one (with an ass on his head) but this one seemed much more fitting.

After several U2U requests and one upset mod I have gone back to my original idea:

http://members.cox.net/legendwezas/stanse.jpg

previous image can be found here (http://members.cox.net/legendwezas/stanse2.jpg)

[Edited on 6-3-2005 by Wezas]

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Stanley Burrell
They are mos def physically addictive, Arkans. The first thing a treating clinician for benzo-withdrawal will ask you about is seizures and tremens. The benzos are specifically designed to mess around with your CNS, and at the quantity that I take them at, they are very much physically addictive and habit forming.

MAYBE YOU CAN SUE THE MAKER FOR YOUR DISEASE AND ADDICTION!

Boo fucking hoo Stanley. Don't blame others for your weak ass will.

:rofl: Nice pictures..

I don't understand what you mean though. Why else would I blame anyone else for my own addiction? That's silly.

[HarmNone]

Stanley, STFU. Nobody cares to hear your bullshit. It's old and tired. You've decided what you want to be. You want to be a pill-head. So....go do it. Knock yourself out. I don't think anybody here cares anymore. Take it elsewhere.

You guys lost me.

[HarmNone]

One of those pics is very, very close to too many. Let's not have it taking over the thread, eh? :barf:

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Stanley Burrell
You guys lost me.

One can only wish that were true, Stanley.

[Wezas]

I think PB was trying to get me in trouble. He deserves at least a few demerit points.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Wezas
I think PB was trying to get me in trouble. He deserves at least a few demerit points.

PROVE IT!

I was simply voicing my opinion regarding your OBVIOUS PORNOGRAPHY. It's not my fault your PORNOGRAPHIC picture kept posting like that.

[HarmNone]

There's a really good way to prevent that, Wezas. You could take that scuzzy piece of "art" out of your freaking post!

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by HarmNone
There's a really good way to prevent that, Wezas. You could take that scuzzy piece of "art" out of your freaking post!

YEA DEMERIT BOY.

You tell him HN. He's a menace to this board.

[Parkbandit]

And to get back on the Stanley subject...

He's one of the very few posters here that came in as an asshole.. people gave him a 2nd chance and for a while there he was accepted.. now he's on that road back to assholedom.

[DeV]

Originally posted by HarmNone
There's a really good way to prevent that, Wezas. You could take that scuzzy piece of "art" out of your freaking post! I agree.. that's freakin' gross!

[HarmNone]

He's not only on the road, hon. He's reached his destination. He's a full-fledged asshole.

ya'know I am starting to think that Harmnone is mad.

I really hope Harmnone wouldn't waste her time being angry on self-proclaimed scum such as myself.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Stanley Burrell
I really hope Harmnone wouldn't waste her time being angry on self-proclaimed scum such as myself.

Maybe you could get that wish realized by simply leaving until you clean yourself up.

:shrug:

[HarmNone]

I get damned mad, Dave, when someone waltzes in here with some cockamamie story about trying to kick a drug habit (insert "poor me" anywhere you like), then turns around and brags about being stoned again and how freaking cool it is.

Lots of people here offered empathy and support. Lots of people here were willing to be understanding and kind. Stanley pissed on every one of us, and yep.....I'm pissed. Anybody who'd pull a trick like that doesn't deserve the understanding of anyone here, not to mention their friendship and support.

I hate to think what his poor parents are going through. Sheesh, what a waste of flesh he is!

Harmnone is a good person, she has natural empathy, maybe it makes it that much harder for her to see fuck-ups, maybe not.

I can't be Harmnone but unfortunately I can use these boards.

[HarmNone]

Don't flatter yourself, Stanley. I'm angry for the wasted efforts of those people here who deserve so much more. You're not worth the time it would take me to spit on you.

[Back]

Off-topic: You know... I’ve successfully avoided viewing that picture for the longest time, Wezas. Thanks a lot.

[Trinitis]

You think she's mad here, you should see her IM's! Woo!

Harmy --------> :rant: :loveu: <-------- Me

Originally posted by HarmNone
I get damned mad, Dave, when someone waltzes in here with some cockamamie story about trying to kick a drug habit (insert "poor me" anywhere you like), then turns around and brags about being stoned again and how freaking cool it is.

Lots of people here offered empathy and support. Lots of people here were willing to be understanding and kind. Stanley pissed on every one of us, and yep.....I'm pissed. Anybody who'd pull a trick like that doesn't deserve the understanding of anyone here, not to mention their friendship and support.

I hate to think what his poor parents are going through. Sheesh, what a waste of flesh he is!

Don't give people the benefit of the doubt then, It saves me from getting upset over things like this. That's my philosophy, doesn't work for everyone though.

[Edited on 6-3-2005 by Dave]

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Backlash
Off-topic: You know... I’ve successfully avoided viewing that picture for the longest time, Wezas. Thanks a lot.

I'm appalled.

[HarmNone]

That's not my way, Dave. Everyone deserves a chance. Thanks to second chances I was given along the way, I've been able to do quite a lot with my life. However, I never required a third or fourth chance. I knew I was fortunate to be given a second one.

[CrystalTears]

I was wondering what was causing this thread to be 8 pages long. I wanted to :banghead: after I read the first page.

All I could come up with was... Stanley, you're a douche.

[Back]

Originally posted by Parkbandit

Originally posted by Backlash
Off-topic: You know... I’ve successfully avoided viewing that picture for the longest time, Wezas. Thanks a lot.

I'm appalled.

Maybe the sarcasm was lost in the way I worded my post? Should my post have said thanks a fucking lot, asshole? :)

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Stanley Burrell
I can't be Harmnone but unfortunately I can use these boards.

Never was a truer word typed.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Wezas

I was about to do an asshat one (with an ass on his head) but this one seemed much more fitting.

After several U2U requests and one upset mod I have gone back to my original idea:

http://members.cox.net/legendwezas/stanse.jpg

previous image can be found here (http://members.cox.net/legendwezas/stanse2.jpg)

[Edited on 6-3-2005 by Wezas]

LOL...

Way to bend over to peer pressure.

Puss.

[HarmNone]

PB, shaddap! My eyes can now stop bleeding!

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by HarmNone
PB, shaddap! My eyes can now stop bleeding!

Heh..

Ok.. I'll let it go.

Maybe.

[Hulkein]

Originally posted by Parkbandit
What cracks me up is that the initial thread by Stanley about how he is going to get some rehab and that he is going to kick this "disease" :rolleyes: ended up with some moderators deleting posts by people telling him how much of an asshat he is. While I don't agree with the Stanley bashing at that point in time, I was all for people posting their true feelings and thoughts.

It's good to know that some of those posts that were pulled were dead on the mark.

Yeah, I remember that.

That was some unbiased moderating.

Good wishes only! :smug:

[KymberlynX]

Originally posted by HarmNone

Originally posted by Czeska
Everything you do affects other people, somewhere. Happy denial.

Stanley, obviously, is too selfish to stop to think of anyone else, Czeska. It's all about HIM, don'cha know...

Unfortunately, such is the case with most (if not all) addicts. :(

Right, Kymberlyn. Go back to posting baby pictures where you belong.

- Arkans

[Nakiro]

Don't let your heart go out of your hands if you're not prepared to let it be destroyed.

Atleast Stan has a dependency issue to justify his actions and emotions. To the rest of you who are pissed off that someone you cared about trampled on your heart, learn to forgive and live on, or become calus and don't give your heart out again.

I agree with Dave on this one.

And Harmnone, I have a hard time believing that you never needed more than a second chance. And well, if you didn't, there are certainly plenty of people around here who have.

Stan, you have an addiction that will clearly require you to have more accountability if you want to break it. Next time you feel like quitting, remember that and try to apply it. For now though enjoy what you can, like any addiction it will eventually begin to destroy your life though --- you may be stupid but you know at least that much.

[Hulkein]

Only reason I dislike what Stan did is the fact that he's practically bragging about it.

Everyone makes mistakes, most people have setbacks, but don't rub it in to people who supported you when it happens (not that I was one who was helping him... I wished him well, but people like HarmNone talked to him in depth, I think).

[Nakiro]

He's an addict. Its what they do when they relapse (especially drug addicts).

[Hulkein]

They go online and talk about how great it is?

Most of the people who I know that relapsed realize it's not a good thing, and are somewhat ashamed of it, especially around those who try and help them.

Everyone is different, though. Who knows.

Jesus, it looks like the baseless statements train just made it's afternoon drop off.

- Arkans

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Arkans
Jesus, it looks like the baseless statements train just made it's afternoon drop off.

- Arkans

YOU ARE JUST MADE BECAUSE YOU GAVE YOUR HEART TO STANLEY AND HE TRAMPLED ON IT.

Let the anger and heartbreak go Arkans. Let it go.

Making this thread was my stupidity being amplified by pills and alcohol. Of course you're not going to like it.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Stanley Burrell
Making this thread was my stupidity being amplified by pills and alcohol. Of course you're not going to like it.

I'm personally loving it actually.

:rofl: @ PB

- Arkans

[Nakiro]

Originally posted by Hulkein
They go online and talk about how great it is?

Most of the people who I know that relapsed realize it's not a good thing, and are somewhat ashamed of it, especially around those who try and help them.

Everyone is different, though. Who knows.

Most people who relapse don't regret it until after they've come off of their addiction again. Stan may have shame then, but for now he really doesn't care and probably just wants the feeling of security that his addiction brings him to last forever.

The statements I make are based on my own experiences with friends and family, in this case, the ones who've gone through drug addiction withdrawl. I think anyone who makes a statement will inevitably base it on their own experiences, but to say mine are baseless is untruthful at best.

This goes the same for my attitudes with online relationships.

We all realize that it is also much easier to be flamboyantly honest about ones own views through an annomyous medium such as an internet forum. Stan might not be as ballsy in real life as he is here too. Just something to remember.

Originally posted by Parkbandit
I'm personally loving it actually.

Nah, I meant Hulkein.



Most people who relapse don't regret it until after they've come off of their addiction again. Stan may have shame then, but for now he really doesn't care and probably just wants the feeling of security that his addiction brings him to last forever.


Absolutely.

[HarmNone]

To be perfectly frank, I don't give a damn what Stanley wants, Nakiro.

As to multiple chances, no...I never needed more than a second chance on the same issue. I certainly needed a second chance on more than one issue, but I was smart enough, and grateful enough, to learn from my first mistake on each, individual issue. Whether you believe that or not means nothing to me.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Stanley Burrell
Making this thread was my stupidity being amplified by pills and alcohol. Of course you're not going to like it. I'm glad I and a few others understand this. You shitted on alot of people though, and it's evident.

The thing I don't get is that you have yet to apologize (at least openly in this thread) about your actions to anyone, so people are going to assume, probably correctly, that you are remorseless about what you've said/done to those whose time and energy was vested and subsequently wasted in being concerned for your well-being.

Anyway...

For the first time and probably the last, I agree with Dave on this.

Then why on Earth would you make a statement based in such an absolute, Nakiro?

- Arkans

If I said I was sorry, which I am, someone who sympathizes with me is going to feel bad the next time I do something evil.

[KymberlynX]

Originally posted by Arkans
Right, Kymberlyn. Go back to posting baby pictures where you belong.

- Arkans

Ho'okay...don't know what your fucking problem is but I believe I have a right to post in any thread I wish. :smilegrin:

Seriously, shut the fuck you emo son of a bitch. Evil? Go write some fucking poetry. Goddamn.

- Arkans

Yes you do, Kymberlyn and when you sound like a complete fucking idiot I'll direct you to a place where you arn't out of your element.

- Arkans

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Stanley Burrell
Making this thread was my stupidity being amplified by pills and alcohol. Of course you're not going to like it.

Be sure and take those benzos with alcohol, Stanley. Yep. That's really smart of you. You're going to make a great doctor, no doubt....that is, if you live and have any brain left. It's pretty obvious you were shortchanged in that department to begin with. :rolleyes:

[Miss X]

Guys, lets not let this get any more out of control. Insults are not needed really are they?

[Edited on 3-6-05 by Miss X]

It's weird reading HarmNone pwn people.. I dunno.. It's like a docile dolphine spearing someone to death with it's bottle nose.

- Arkans

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Stanley Burrell
If I said I was sorry, which I am, someone who sympathizes with me is going to feel bad the next time I do something evil.

Sorry, my ass! You aren't the least bit sorry, Stanley. You have no thought outside yourself. If you want to be sorry, be sorry for your parents. Don't bother here. I don't think anybody gives a flying fuck.

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Arkans
It's weird reading HarmNone pwn people.. I dunno.. It's like a docile dolphine spearing someone to death with it's bottle nose.

- Arkans

Heh. Docile is not a word that most who know me would use to describe me, Arkans. ;)

[KymberlynX]

Originally posted by Arkans
Yes you do, Kymberlyn and when you sound like a complete fucking idiot I'll direct you to a place where you arn't out of your element.

- Arkans

What the fuck makes you think that I don't know what I'm talking about? Not that I need to justify any response I have in this thread to you or anyone else, but I was with an alcoholic for almost 9 years, I *think* I know enough to have an opinion on the subject. If you don't agree with me, that's fine, everyone is entitled to their opinions.

And this folks is when you base your opinion on a single case and try to come ripping out like some authority. I won't even touch the fact that alcoholism and drug addiction arn't even the same animal.

- Arkans

[CrystalTears]

Holy shit! Who replaced the Baileys with fuckoff battery in HarmNone?

You know you've hit rockbottom when HN tells someone she doesn't give a shit.

Had Stanley not made a big deal about letting go of his addiction once before, this celebration of drugs would be laughed off as another attempt at Stanley's need for attention here or something. As it stands, he bragged about getting help and now bragging about being addicted again. There is no sympathy left in regards to anything Stanley says or does anymore. Rather sad, actually.

Originally posted by Arkans
Seriously, shut the fuck you emo son of a bitch. Evil? Go write some fucking poetry. Goddamn.

- Arkans

:lol2:

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by CrystalTears
Holy shit! Who replaced the Baileys with fuckoff battery in HarmNone?

You know you've hit rockbottom when HN tells someone she doesn't give a shit.

Had Stanley not made a big deal about letting go of his addiction once before, this celebration of drugs would be laughed off as another attempt at Stanley's need for attention here or something. As it stands, he bragged about getting help and now bragging about being addicted again. There is no sympathy left in regards to anything Stanley says or does anymore. Rather sad, actually.

Therein lies the rub, for sure, CT. Stanley came in here announcing his addiction and the beginning of his rehabilitation. Many here offered him support. For him to come back here flaunting his fall "off the wagon" was tantamount to a slap in the face to all those who had offered support and wished him well. Ungrateful doesn't even begin to describe his behavior.

People like Stanley are, to me, a waste of skin. They have no merit anywhere, anytime, in any way. They're not only self-destructive, they're destructive of everyone around them.

[Brattt8525]

Originally posted by Arkans
It's weird reading HarmNone pwn people.. I dunno.. It's like a docile dolphine spearing someone to death with it's bottle nose.

- Arkans

:lol: damn that made me laugh. When HN gives up you know it has to be bad.

[Vesi]

Originally posted by Arkans
I won't even touch the fact that alcoholism and drug addiction arn't even the same animal.

- Arkans

Arkans, I'm going to have to disagree with that statement. Addiction is the same, no matter your drug of choice. Recovery and staying clean is equally as hard for any addict ... whether it be alcohol, pills, meth, heroin, painkillers, <insert evil substance here>. An addict is an addict is an addict...

Vesi

[Wezas]

Originally posted by Vesi
Addiction is the same, no matter your drug of choice. Recovery and staying clean is equally as hard for any addict ... whether it be alcohol, pills, meth, heroin, painkillers, <insert evil substance here>. Vesi

http://www.eway.com/catalog/1/ce04_120698_oe.jpg

[Shalla]

Wow, this thread sure rocketed to page 9 from last I read it. Is it worth reading further?

[Edited on 6-3-2005 by Lady Shalla]

[Sean of the Thread]

Originally posted by Vesi

Originally posted by Arkans
I won't even touch the fact that alcoholism and drug addiction arn't even the same animal.

- Arkans

Arkans, I'm going to have to disagree with that statement. Addiction is the same, no matter your drug of choice. Recovery and staying clean is equally as hard for any addict ... whether it be alcohol, pills, meth, heroin, painkillers, <insert evil substance here>. An addict is an addict is an addict...

Vesi

I now agree that an addict is an addict is an addict but a scene from Half Baked comes to mind...

http://www.jahozafat.com/cgi-bin/mp3s.cgi?Half_Baked=have_you.mp3

[xtc]

I have never seen HN with such venom before.

[HarmNone]

I don't come by this much anger easily, xtc. It takes quite a bit to ruffle my feathers. However, I do care very much about the people who post on these boards.

Call me what you like...mother hen, idiot, nosey-parker, whatever suits your fancy. We have a wide range of posters/readers here. There are very young folks amongst us. There are people who are recovering from drug use/alcohol abuse. There are all kinds of people with all kinds of problems. What we DO NOT need is some cretin coming in here extolling the virtues of combining too many benzodiazepines with alcohol and strolling around in Nirvana with the angels of stupidity. It's thoughtless, it's selfish, and it's contemptible.

That, xtc, makes me angry. Very angry.

*Edited because I can't spell when I'm angry.*

[Edited on 6-4-2005 by HarmNone]

I completely disagree. Every addict displays different characteristics. Saying they are all the same is bieng completely ignorant to the truth.

- Arkans

[AnticorRifling]

Originally posted by Arkans
is bieng completely ignorant

- Arkans

Arkans is my hero.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Arkans
Saying they are all the same is bieng completely ignorant to the truth.

- Arkans I didn't get that from her post at all. Every addict is by definition, an addict. Of course everyone will handle addiction differently but there are some generalities that cannot be overlooked. I think you're both right on some level but its gotten lost in translation somehow.

Originally posted by HarmNone

Originally posted by Stanley Burrell
Making this thread was my stupidity being amplified by pills and alcohol. Of course you're not going to like it.

Be sure and take those benzos with alcohol, Stanley. Yep. That's really smart of you. You're going to make a great doctor, no doubt....that is, if you live and have any brain left. It's pretty obvious you were shortchanged in that department to begin with. :rolleyes:

dont forget about passing random drug tests.

[Vesi]

Originally posted by Arkans
I completely disagree. Every addict displays different characteristics. Saying they are all the same is bieng completely ignorant to the truth.

- Arkans

I didn't say that they all acted the same. It would be like saying everyone that posted on the PC acted the same. Sure, depending on your drug of choice, you'll see different actions/characteristics. If you put a meth user and someone that was drunk in the same room I'm pretty sure you could tell who was using what based on their actions. (I'm pretty certain I could)

I was stating that trying to seperate drug addiction and alcohol addiction as being two really differerent types of addictions is incorrect. They both grab and hold their addicted victims. Whether you are in love with a bottle or a needle ... they are equally as hard to kick. I am talking addiction here only. How said victims act/react is another matter completely.

Vesi


Edited to make a statement clearer. (hopefully)


[Edited on 6-3-2005 by Vesi]

[Back]

“It ain’t what ya do, its the way that you do it... and thats what gets results.” - Fun Boy Three (With Bananarama doing back-up vocals)

[Edited on 6-4-2005 by Backlash]

[Nakiro]

Originally posted by CrystalTears
Had Stanley not made a big deal about letting go of his addiction once before, this celebration of drugs would be laughed off as another attempt at Stanley's need for attention here or something. As it stands, he bragged about getting help and now bragging about being addicted again. There is no sympathy left in regards to anything Stanley says or does anymore. Rather sad, actually.

That's really not an uncommon attitude among addicts.

(NOTE: From my experiences)

[HarmNone]

Nor is it an uncommon attitude amongst those they use, Nakiro. People get tired of the same ol', same ol'. They get tired of being used, lied to, spit on and ignored. As the addict has his/her attitude, so do those who are placed in a position of having to deal with addicts.

[Nakiro]

Originally posted by HarmNone
Nor is it an uncommon attitude amongst those they use, Nakiro. People get tired of the same ol', same ol'. They get tired of being used, lied to, spit on and ignored. As the addict has his/her attitude, so do those who are placed in a position of having to deal with addicts.

I wonder how many addicts who come off a substance that they've become chemically dependent on end up relapsing more than once, or at all?

I would be willing to bet the vast majority of them do. But than again, you're not one for second, second chances.

[HarmNone]

Wrong. I'm for as many chances as it takes for an individual to get things right with themselves. What I'm not for is bringing the problem to these boards in the way Stanley did. Stanley clearly understands where I'm coming from.

[Nakiro]

He is relapsing. A relapse is not just a return to using an addictive substance, its a return to everything about that addictive substance. Stan is acting like he did when he was an a full blown addict. He's proud, arrogant, and thinks he's invincible. No part of his sense of security comes from what you or anyone else thinks, its in the drug.

So, why are you wasting your time? Are you upset and angry because you want redemption? Do you want to break him down so he can feel like you do? Betrayed, upset, dissapointed?

These are just the things I can think of but honestly I do not know or completely understand why you are so upset. Yes, you supported him while he was on his path to recovery. But Stan doesn't need people who will support him just while he is recovering. That doesn't take guts. Grow some spine. Get over your own heartache. Compassion isn't about uplifting the uplifted, its about uplifting the downtrodded, even when its people like Stan who have yet to have the hammer hit the nail.

But you know what, it doesn't matter anyway. Its just not going to happen. Not now at any rate. He doesn't need you or any other internet yahoo. He obviously needs someone else (next to him in his life), because he clearly wasn't getting the accountability or support he needed since he decided to relapse.

Anyway, it really doesn't matter. Any words or feeling of concern you express for him, wishing him the best, are just as good as a whisper in the wind. People do not get better because you wish them the best, or likewise because you are upset at them, when its done over this medium. It takes a real, living breathing person who can hold you to your own standards. Anything less is just wishful thinking.

Besides, even though he isn't saying it now, he will probably give it another shot. If you don't want to support him then, fine. Like I said before, your goodwill expressed over the internet won't make or brake his addiction anyway.

[HarmNone]

The only one who can break Stanley's addiction, Nakiro, is Stanley. I know that and so does Stanley. I'm not concerned, particularly, with that aspect of the issue. I'm concerned with what happened on these message boards.

I care about Stanley, just as I care about all human beings. It's my nature to do so, and it's unlikely to change. I don't want it to change. However, before you decide what effect the events on these boards have had on Stanley, it might be a good idea for you to ask Stanley. ;)

[Nakiro]

I've been through enough internet trama to know that people ultimately get through hard times because of the people they are around in their real lives, not over the internet.

I've said enough anyway I suppose. I don't have a right or a good enough reason to continue to tell you guys to stop caring about people.

I guess my bottom line is if you guys really care about a person, you wish them the best when they're at their worst. I just don't see much of that going on here.

To all you fuckers who dared jump my shit because I said something before: I'll be handing out numbers to kiss my ass later.

This is all I have to say on the subject and I probaly won't read this topic anymore so please feel free to u2u me.

[Ilvane]

I tried not to comment on this thread but the more I read the more it angered me about the way most of you are reacting.

Stanley screwed up, he may not be mature about it. He's still an ADDICT which is not easy to deal with. I know from some family experience it can go on for years before the actual sobriety sticks. Sure, some people might take years, and it may take a hard fall, but that's how it goes.

I don't think bashing Stanley for his choices helps. Calling him names isn't going to help either, and quite frankly I'm surprised at the way some people who I thought were better than that have sunk to that level. I don't think he deserves that. If anything you should feel sorry for him that the addiction is easier for him than staying clean. That is in the end, the sad part.

-A

[Edited on 6-4-2005 by Ilvane]

Yeah.. right, we should also hug him and tell him its okay too? Listen, I understand relapsing happens. What most people here find annoying about it is how he brags about falling off the wagon. What's worse is that he fell off the wagon, took the time to come online, and brag about it on the internet. Seriously, how pathetic is that?

It's not a matter of being "better than that" or "taking the high road" its the matter of Stanley acting like a complete idiot. Relapse.. fine.. Brag about it on the internet? Seriously now, it's not different than 16 year olds bragging about their dick sizes in a chat room.

- Arkans

[CrystalTears]

It's sad that someone relapsed. And I'm sorry if having that person go to a group of people and relish in the fact that he's back to his addiction is found to be pathetic in the eyes of others who were there for him when he was trying to quit in the first place.

Think about it now. He KNEW that being on drugs was a bad thing so he came here for support because he decided it needed to end. He relapsed. I've never seen an addict announce his return to the substance that nearly destroyed them. They hide it. They sulk and retreat into themselves because they know they are weak.

Had he posted here saying he relapsed and felt horrible about it and needed help to stop, then it would be a different story. Coming here and saying that it feels great to be back on his drugs is a very selfish, destructive and stupid thing to do.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Ilvane
I tried not to comment on this thread but the more I read the more it angered me about the way most of you are reacting.

Stanley screwed up, he may not be mature about it. He's still an ADDICT which is not easy to deal with. I know from some family experience it can go on for years before the actual sobriety sticks. Sure, some people might take years, and it may take a hard fall, but that's how it goes.

I don't think bashing Stanley for his choices helps. Calling him names isn't going to help either, and quite frankly I'm surprised at the way some people who I thought were better than that have sunk to that level. I don't think he deserves that. If anything you should feel sorry for him that the addiction is easier for him than staying clean. That is in the end, the sad part.

-A

[Edited on 6-4-2005 by Ilvane]

You could always start deleting the posts you feel are not necessary like the last time.

:shrug:

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Gee, Stainley lacked the strength of character to not do drugs.

Didn't see that coming.

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The above message brought to you by sarcasm, obvious and disappointment.

[xtc]

I think that it is enough, enough Stanley bashing. Yes he relapsed, it happens. Yes, he was an asshat to come here and brag about it and how great it is too be high again. But it is enough, unless you have experienced addiction you don't know jack shit about it.

unless you have experienced addiction you don't know jack shit about it.


unless you have experienced addiction you don't know jack shit about it.


unless you have experienced addiction you don't know jack shit about it.


unless you have experienced addiction you don't know jack shit about it.


unless you have experienced addiction you don't know jack shit about it.

Wisest words so far. No, knowing "someone in the family" doesn't count either.

- Arkans

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by xtc
I think that it is enough, enough Stanley bashing. Yes he relapsed, it happens. Yes, he was an asshat to come here and brag about it and how great it is too be high again. But it is enough, unless you have experienced addiction you don't know jack shit about it.

Boo fucking hoo. You are most certainly right.. I don't know shit about addiction. That comes from having the intestinal fortitude and will to not become a little addict and let it control my life. Gee.. that probably explains why MOST people aren't addicts and only a few are. I drank myself fucking blind through college.. but gee.. I was able to NOT DRINK when I had to do shit like drive, go to work, study, etc... I didn't let liquor control me. I smoked dope all through college.. but gee, when the real world came knocking and I got a real job.. I somehow kicked that habit and moved on. I didn't need AA, drug rehab or any other social program to do it either.

I have zero tolerance for those who are addicts and believe that society is somehow misjudging them.. that it's not their fault they have this "disease". It's nothing more than being weak willed and not taking responsibility for your own actions. You get no sympathy from me.

Depends, PB. Some physical symptoms require a lot of intestinal fortitude to overcome. It is possible though.

- Arkans

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Arkans
Depends, PB. Some physical symptoms require a lot of intestinal fortitude to overcome. It is possible though.

- Arkans

The problem is that the weak willed are the ones that allow it to become an addiction in the first place.. so they have the toughest time beating it. I knew a couple of friends who did coke in college and they ended up just fine.