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IorakeWarhammer
08-15-2010, 08:16 AM
An Israeli Attack on Iran would reduce Barack Obama to a One-Term President
Posted on August 15, 2010 by Juan Cole

www.juancole.com

highlight: It is not so hard to get up a war. You position the war as inevitable. As Right. As Necessary. You reimagine the poor weak ramshackle enemy as a science fictional superpower, months away from possession of a Neutron Bomb that could Destroy the Universe. It has to be done. We are in danger.

What should a poor warmongering Neoconservative do? This political grouping includes WASPS such as former CIA director James Woolsey and former UN ambassor John Bolton, but at its core is politically active and extremely wealthy Jewish former Democrats who broke with their party in the 1980s to become war hawks in Republican administrations, and most of whom are rooted in Rightwing Zionism as exemplified in the thought of prominent fascist theorist Vladimir Jabotinsky. (They are almost mirror images of the general American Jewish community, 79 percent of which voted for Barack Obama, which is skittish about foreign wars and liberal on social issues).
The Neoconservative faction is in the political wilderness in the United States. Eager to play the role in Iran that the enormous floods have played in Pakistan, of paralyzing and destroying much of a thriving country, eager to reduce the shining city of Isfahan to rubble and displace its population into massive tent cities, they find their path blocked at every turn.

Always much happier when the militant and aggressive Likud Party is in power in Israel, they are nevertheless impatient with what they see as the timidity of Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu, compared to the reckless warmongering of the previous Kadima Party and its Labor ally (who managed to set back the Lebanese economy a decade in 2006 and to reduce the large penal camp of Gaza to further misery and rubble).

Despite being willing to stop in at an occasional cocktail party, President Obama could not care less what the Neoconservatives say, want or do. Few have been appointed from their ranks to high and influential positions in the Obama administration, in contrast to W.’s, where they held the 8 key positions that allowed them to help push the US into a decade of rampaging wars. The American public, having been tricked by their fallacious arguments and cynical propaganda into the Iraq War, does not want to hear from them. They no longer get much television time. Their main project of today, an aggressive war on Iran, is a non-starter with the current White House, its generals, intelligence officials, and most importantly with a public already unemployed, beggared and indebted to the tune of $13 trillion, in part because of the Neocons earlier mad adventures– a public that has also lost over 4000 dead and tens of thousands wounded and permanently disabled warriors over a pack of Neocon lies.

But being a Neocon means never having to say you are sorry, or that you were wrong, and it means never giving up on the dressing up of illegal and aggressive wars as Necessary and Right and Bright Shining Cities on a Hill that will Make the World Safe for “Democracy” and more importantly for Apartheid Israel.

Thus, in 1998 at the height of their impotence, the Neocons got up a hawkish letter with the support of the Republicans in Congress, insisting that President Clinton go to war against Iraq. It was absurd and monstrous. Iraq had been reduced to a poor weak fourth-rate power, its economy devastated, its children dying in droves, by US and UN sanctions pushed by the Neocons and their allies. Only five years later, under a different administration, they got their wish.

The Neocons’ life experience, then, is that aggressive warfare is never really off the table. Even a liberal internationalist like Obama can be pressured, and if he will not yield, be weakened and wounded and the way paved for a leader more pliable to their plans. A war that they pine for the way a teenager pines for a first love, a mass grave they dream of the way a retiree dreams of a Hawaiian resort, an orgy of destruction visited on ancient wonders that they dream of the way a world-class architect dreams of constructing a new city– all these things are really at most just 5 years away if the right political moves are made.

They have more assets than is visible on the surface. They have perhaps half of America’s 400 billionaires on their side. They have the enormous military-industrial complex on their side. They have the Yahoo complex of besieged lower middle class White America on their side. They have the Israel lobbies on their side. They have important segments of the Oil and Gas lobbies on their side. They have the whole American tradition of permanent war on their side. They should not be underestimated.

It is not so hard to get up a war. You position the war as inevitable. As Right. As Necessary. You reimagine the poor weak ramshackle enemy as a science fictional superpower, months away from possession of a Neutron Bomb that could Destroy the Universe. It has to be done. We are in danger.

Although not exactly himself a Neocon (he says he is for a two-state solution and says he is on the fence about an Iran war), Cpl. Jeffrey Goldberg of the Israeli army, where he was a prison camp guard during the first Intifada or Palestinian uprising, and who masquerades as a journalist over at the Atlantic, has fired a shot in the building campaign for destroying Iran. This war propagandist deliberately spread the bald-faced lie that Saddam had close ties to al-Qaeda, and goes on insisting that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction capabilities in the face of mountains of evidence to the contrary. He is either dishonest or so blindered by ideology that it comes to the same thing. Goldberg says he is “ambivalent” about an “American” attack on Iran in “2010.” But these are weasel words. What would be different in 2011? In fact, this way of speaking puts a time limit on “ambivalence,” after which conviction presumably kicks in. His ambivalence, he says, extends to whether Israel should attack Iran unilaterally, though he is convinced by his ‘interviewing’ that it likely will. It reminds me of all the caveats and ambivalences in Ken Pollack’s book ‘Gathering Storm,’ which was used by warmongers nevertheless to help get up the Iraq War.

Goldberg knows that Obama is not actually going to war against Iran. Despite what he says, Bibi Netanyahu, the prime minister of Israel, is for all his bluster far too personally indecisive to take such a major step (and certainly not without an American green light; Bibi thinks Clinton had him undermined and moved out of office for obstructing the Oslo accords, and does not want to risk the same fate for causing trouble for Obama in Iraq and Afghanistan). How Goldberg could miss this truism in Israeli politics is beyond me.

Goldberg is trying to make an Iran war seem highly likely if not inevitable, if not now then in the near future (say, within 5 years?).

But contrary to Goldberg’s conclusions, Gareth Porter finds that high Israeli intelligence and military figures entertain the severest doubts about a war on Iran. Could Goldberg really not find these voices that Porter dug up so effortlessly?

The Iran war hawks also almost certainly underestimate Iran’s conventional weapons capability of foiling any Israeli air strike.

There is no room for ‘ambivalence’ here, especially of the Pollack sort that actually leads straight to war. The stupidity of an air raid on Iran is easy for the clear-eyed to see. There is no evidence Iran has a nuclear weapons program as opposed to a civilian nuclear energy program. The centrifuge technology being used can be dispersed and an air strike is likely to be only a minor setback in the program. And, Iran is a major country of 70 million with extensive petroleum and gas resources. It has means of replying to any attack that can be subtle and effective. Mahan Abedin showed here recently how there can be no ‘limited war’ against Iran.

Obama’s plans for a decisive and timely withdrawal from Iraq would be completely ruined by an attack on Iran, which would reactivate the Shiite militias at a time when the US military is weak and open to attack. Obama would not have that achievement to run on in 2012. The Iranians can behind the scenes be major spoilers for the Afghanistan War, which already is not going well for Obama.

A Netanyahu attack on Iran would reduce Barack Obama to a one-term president, which may be what Goldberg and his fellow conspirators are really aiming for. That success would after all allow them to keep to the 5-year timetable for another Asian land war.

4a6c1
08-15-2010, 08:19 AM
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Rocktar
08-15-2010, 09:43 AM
I am pretty sure that a lot of other things will make him a one term President long before any war with Iran. It won't help because he has been a pussy about dealing with their nuke program, but yeah.

IorakeWarhammer
08-15-2010, 09:57 AM
lol..

I agree, kind of.. but your comment about the nuke program is misguided.

But yeah, he failed on the covered-up oil spill response, failing to pull out of Afghanistan/Iraq, etc..

Rocktar
08-15-2010, 10:16 AM
Oh, you think that Iran having a nuke program and having the ability to make them at home is a good idea? Keep drinking the koolaid.

Androidpk
08-15-2010, 10:43 AM
The pull out method never works.

Carl Spackler
08-15-2010, 10:59 AM
The pull out method never works.

sure it does!

..... oh, you meant the war

IorakeWarhammer
08-15-2010, 11:05 AM
Oh, you think that Iran having a nuke program and having the ability to make them at home is a good idea? Keep drinking the koolaid.

I'm more afraid of Israel having it. They do aggressive war. Iran hasn't directly attacked anyone in 200 years. Closest thing would be their SUPPOSED funding of Hezbollah.

Don't let propaganda paint a false picture of history man. If you don't want Iran to have the nuke you shouldn't want Israel to have it either. But you've been engineered into having this opinion by the media so it's more of a product of a machine than a product of objective thought and analysis.

IorakeWarhammer
08-15-2010, 11:20 AM
The pull out method never works.

You're wrong. Vietnam ring a bell?

AestheticLife
08-15-2010, 11:36 AM
You're wrong. Vietnam ring a bell?

Seriously?

Androidpk
08-15-2010, 11:44 AM
Victory!

http://lorekeeper.blogsome.com/images/saigon.jpg

Rocktar
08-15-2010, 11:48 AM
I'm more afraid of Israel having it. They do aggressive war. Iran hasn't directly attacked anyone in 200 years. Closest thing would be their SUPPOSED funding of Hezbollah.

Hummmm, let's see, Israel has had nukes (unsubstantiated but pretty well agreed upon) since the middle 60s or so, I don't see them using them against their aggressive neighbors who have, on multiple occasions, attacked/invaded them. Iran has a long history of harassing ships, shooting at ships, funding terrorists, publishing American currency to destabilize markets around the world and lastly, with training terrorists. And now, they want to make nukes and export the equipment, knowhow and likely the devices themselves because if they can, and it makes them money or causes the rest of the world grief, they will.




Don't let propaganda paint a false picture of history man. If you don't want Iran to have the nuke you shouldn't want Israel to have it either. But you've been engineered into having this opinion by the media so it's more of a product of a machine than a product of objective thought and analysis.


Let's see we have, Iran, an insecure, tyrannical, religious Oligarchy with a history of aggression and anti-West rhetoric vs Israel, a stable, parliamentary representative, democratic republic who has on multiple occasions backed off from pursuing attackers, not used retaliatory force against those attackers, offered aid around the world to victims of disasters as well as being an active participant in the U.N. (even though I don't like them much). I think I am going with stable world participant over religiously fanatical isolationist tyrannical oligarchy most any day. It is people like the Grand Ayatollah Ruhollah Moosavi Khomeini and countries with similar governments that give Islam a bad name and yet here you are defending them. Good move on your part.

IorakeWarhammer
08-15-2010, 11:55 AM
well forgive me, its not my area of expertise. but i was under the impression we left the job unfinished according to the original plan, and the Vietnam didn't exactly become a bastion of Communism, but now it's a relatively normal country.

IorakeWarhammer
08-15-2010, 12:02 PM
Hummmm, let's see, Israel has had nukes (unsubstantiated but pretty well agreed upon) since the middle 60s or so, I don't see them using them against their aggressive neighbors who have, on multiple occasions, attacked/invaded them. Iran has a long history of harassing ships, shooting at ships, funding terrorists, publishing American currency to destabilize markets around the world and lastly, with training terrorists. And now, they want to make nukes and export the equipment, knowhow and likely the devices themselves because if they can, and it makes them money or causes the rest of the world grief, they will.






Let's see we have, Iran, an insecure, tyrannical, religious Oligarchy with a history of aggression and anti-West rhetoric vs Israel, a stable, parliamentary representative, democratic republic who has on multiple occasions backed off from pursuing attackers, not used retaliatory force against those attackers, offered aid around the world to victims of disasters as well as being an active participant in the U.N. (even though I don't like them much). I think I am going with stable world participant over religiously fanatical isolationist tyrannical oligarchy most any day. It is people like the Grand Ayatollah Ruhollah Moosavi Khomeini and countries with similar governments that give Islam a bad name and yet here you are defending them. Good move on your part.

they're still Muslims.

dude, Israel commited war crimes in 2006 in the Lebanon war. They commited war crimes in the Gaza Invasion 2 years ago. They recently assassinated someone in one of the Gulf states using fraudulant passports to gain entry to the country. If Iran did this stuff it would already be a parking lot. Israel is far more a threat to this country than Iran.. PERIOD. They dragged us into the Iraq war. Their peace process is a complete sham. They spy on us and steal industrial secrets. They are committing a genocide against the Palestinians.

Rocktar
08-15-2010, 12:12 PM
they're still Muslims.

dude, Israel commited war crimes in 2006 in the Lebanon war. They commited war crimes in the Gaza Invasion 2 years ago. They recently assassinated someone in one of the Gulf states using fraudulant passports to gain entry to the country. If Iran did this stuff it would already be a parking lot. Israel is far more a threat to this country than Iran.. PERIOD. They dragged us into the Iraq war. Their peace process is a complete sham. They spy on us and steal industrial secrets. They are committing a genocide against the Palestinians.


Dude, none of that changes the fact that Iran is an unstable religious whack hole that wants nukes. Nice distraction though. And if Arabs were so concerned about Palestinians, then when they were in Syria and other places, why the hell didn't THEY take them in with open arms and care for them instead of forcing them out at gunpoint like they did? You and others only care about Palestinians when it suits your political purpose.

IorakeWarhammer
08-15-2010, 12:30 PM
because Arabs are often misled and misguided enough to not follow their religion and take care of fellow Muslims. I agree with you there. and what you don't see is the millions of Muslims that HAVE been generous and welcoming to their Palestinian brothers. all you'll hear about, of course, is the ones that reject them. because that fact helps prove a point.

we are required to care about all Muslims (as Muslims). The issue is that Israel does tyrannical things and then they criticize tyranny. Israel, the ultimate hypocrite state. Israel is a poor ally for us, they get us into trouble. It's like that friend who is always into mischief, but when he starts getting his butt whooped he cries for his boys to come to the rescue.

ClydeR
08-15-2010, 04:34 PM
The Israelis won't bomb Iran unless Obama tells them to. That's because of neurolinguistic programming.

It has been scientifically proven (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4iDwV7hCmw) that Obama used NLP (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Find-Freedom.htm?At=039963) during the 2008 election to hypnotize his audiences into doing what the wanted them to do. And the thing about NLP is that, in addition to young people and the highly educated, Jews are especially affected (http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_102908/content/01125107.guest.html) by the technique, which explains why the original article in this thread was right about Jews voting for Obama in such high numbers.

Obama doesn't give nearly as many high profile speeches now as he did as a candidate, and the NLP is starting to wear off. As 2012 approaches, he'll pick up the pace, no doubt.

Asha
08-15-2010, 04:45 PM
Wow. Rocktar and IW hammering out politics.

IorakeWarhammer
08-15-2010, 05:04 PM
mind control? cmon man

Asha
08-15-2010, 05:17 PM
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RichardCranium
08-20-2010, 01:49 PM
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Clove
08-20-2010, 02:08 PM
Wow. Way to spam.

Daragon
08-20-2010, 06:49 PM
Lol this is funny. Obama already is a 1 term president because of his failing policies and unconstitutional stance.

IorakeWarhammer
08-20-2010, 06:50 PM
hohohohehehehahahah