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Rocktar
07-01-2010, 01:20 PM
At least someone has figured this particular point out.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/janetdaley/7856396/Want-to-protect-the-poor-Then-give-them-jobs.html



Want to protect the poor? Then give them jobs
Most people who are 'forced’ into minimum wage jobs move quite quickly up the earnings ladder, says Janet Daley

By Janet Daley
Published: 9:00PM BST 26 Jun 2010

At last, we are having the right argument for our time. Virtually everybody who is in touch with political reality now accepts that the old contest – socialism vs capitalism – is over. We all believe, with greater or lesser degrees of enthusiasm, in free-market economics. So the real source of contention that remains is the size and role of the state.

Anyone who thinks that this is a puny arena – that the boundaries of debate have shrunk to a less inspirational, purely managerial scale – is mistaken. The passion with which those on the Left are now defending their new turf should make it clear: this fight will be to the death because the power of government to control social and economic outcomes is seen by them as the last plausible incarnation of their moral world-view. The current arguments about welfare reform which the Government has robustly initiated are going to bring this abstract confrontation into the day-to-day experience of national life.

Now it is perfectly understandable that those who have a vested interest in state power – public sector trade union leaders, for example – should be prepared to risk everything to preserve it, but have the more thoughtful Left-liberal proponents really thought this through? Are they actually prepared to go down fighting for the idea that the state is the source of social virtue and must be the answer to all of our civic problems?

If we learnt anything from the terrible ideological crimes of the 20th century, it was that over-powerful states were dangerous: that even if they did not commit murder or enslave their own populations, their good intentions ended up producing perverse effects simply through the gross, insensitive interventions of central bureaucracy which could take no account of individual needs. Can anyone still believe that the largely catastrophic consequences of Big State solutions to poverty, to housing shortages, to unemployment, to educational disadvantage, have been pure coincidence? <snippage>

Celephais
07-01-2010, 01:25 PM
We should just be submissive to Europe again, it'd solve a lot of our problems, because really, who is more free, the person who has to walk around in clothes? Or the slave who gets to be naked.

TheEschaton
07-01-2010, 01:25 PM
With the caveat that I did nothing but read the title of your article, I state that I'm all about giving jobs to the jobless in lieu of welfare.

Cephalopod
07-01-2010, 01:33 PM
Rocktar, you linked to the Elena Kagan article again.

I think it's time for you to be watered (http://www.rdrop.com/~wyvern/data/houseplants.html).

And watered well.

Mighty Nikkisaurus
07-01-2010, 01:34 PM
Rocktar, you linked to the Elena Kagan article again.

I think it's time for you to be watered.

And watered well.

And he shall cry out, "No, do not water me!"

And the waterer shall say, "I am the Waterer, and I shall water you."

And once watered, Rocktar will know that he has been well watered and that he shall be watered at the Waterer's will, as that is the way things are supposed to be.

Keller
07-01-2010, 01:41 PM
With the caveat that I did nothing but read the title of your article, I state that I'm all about giving jobs to the jobless in lieu of welfare.

I've been of that opinion since 2001 when I wrote a position paper on it during my Freshman year of college.

I also think "affirmative action" should be based on poverty, not race.

We must be EXTREME Liberal Socialists.

Tisket
07-01-2010, 01:41 PM
There are so many political forums on the internet that I have to wonder why Rocktar would choose to return to one where he is held in almost universal scorn (scorn that has little to do with political views). I can only conclude that he enjoys ridicule. Sounds a little masochistic and kinky to me.

TheEschaton
07-01-2010, 01:42 PM
I've been of that opinion since 2001 when I wrote a position paper on it during my Freshman year of college.

I also think "affirmative action" should be based on poverty, not race.

We must be EXTREME Liberal Socialists.

I keep forgetting you're younger than me. 2001 Freshman? Ugh.

CrystalTears
07-01-2010, 01:48 PM
Maybe we should look to some European countries for leadership
I was going to suggest that you move to Europe, then realized I like Europeans far too much to punish them like that.

Please cut your own tongue out.

Keller
07-01-2010, 01:54 PM
I keep forgetting you're younger than me. 2001 Freshman? Ugh.

It was second semester.

And I didn't take 2 years off to sweat my ass off under a mosquito net in Namibia, or wherever you went.

Drew
07-01-2010, 01:58 PM
It was second semester.

And I didn't take 2 years off to sweat my ass off under a mosquito net in Namibia, or wherever you went.

Don't give him that much credit. African ladies are sooo easy. And aidsy. But also easy.

Rocktar
07-01-2010, 02:20 PM
There are so many political forums on the internet that I have to wonder why Rocktar would choose to return to one where he is held in almost universal scorn (scorn that has little to do with political views). I can only conclude that he enjoys ridicule. Sounds a little masochistic and kinky to me.

Because I wouldn't want to let idiots like you win. It is because idiots like you have endurance in your stupidity and because people are so lazy as to believe that you can get something for nothing that mush headed Socialist ideals gain root.

Clove
07-01-2010, 03:00 PM
I was going to suggest that you move to Europe, then realized I like Europeans far too much to punish them like that.

Please cut your own tongue out.Yes, but in order for a punishment to be affective it has to affect the EUROPEAN.
Because I wouldn't want to let idiots like you win. It is because idiots like you have endurance in your stupidity and because people are so lazy as to believe that you can get something for nothing that mush headed Socialist ideals gain root.I think somebody needs her tongue removed...

g++
07-01-2010, 04:09 PM
Give a man a fish he will eat for a day. Induct a man into the Tarn Militia and he will bring you heated sluts for a life time.

Rocktar
07-01-2010, 10:06 PM
I think ...

Stop lying, you don't think.

Clove
07-01-2010, 10:49 PM
Stop lying, you don't think.Actually I'm paid to think. Granted I don't solve the deeper mysteries of the universe, like where you need to aim a rifle to stop a monkey from typing with its tongue cut off, but I do provide valuable analysis and customized financial reporting for my executives.

Gan
07-02-2010, 08:35 AM
Bean counter!

Rocktar
07-02-2010, 08:45 AM
Actually I'm paid to think. Granted I don't solve the deeper mysteries of the universe, like where you need to aim a rifle to stop a monkey from typing with its tongue cut off, but I do provide valuable analysis and customized financial reporting for my executives.

I hope you do better at that than you do presenting opinions here.

CrystalTears
07-02-2010, 09:11 AM
I hope you do better at that than you do presenting opinions here.
IW has better posts than you.

Clove
07-02-2010, 09:18 AM
I hope you do better at that than you do presenting opinions here.I hope you stock shelves better than you write.

Rocktar
07-02-2010, 10:59 AM
IW has better posts than you.

My dog shits more coherent opinions and thoughts that you post here.

Cephalopod
07-02-2010, 11:13 AM
My dog shits more coherent opinions and thoughts that you post here.

Have you cut your dog's tongue out?

AnticorRifling
07-02-2010, 11:33 AM
My dog shits more coherent opinions and thoughts that you post here.

Read what you typed (keep in mind you're insulting someone's ability to post) and then realize that:

You totally just this thread.

g++
07-02-2010, 11:52 AM
Because I wouldn't want to let idiots like you win. It is because idiots like you have endurance in your stupidity and because people are so lazy as to believe that you can get something for nothing that mush headed Socialist ideals gain root.

Do you actually understand what the word socialist means or do you define socialist as people who disagree with Rocktar.

CrystalTears
07-02-2010, 11:54 AM
Do you actually understand what the word socialist means or do you define socialist as people who disagree with Rocktar.
Ding Fries are done! (http://www.americanangst.com/dingfries.html)

Mighty Nikkisaurus
07-02-2010, 11:59 AM
You totally just this thread.

But maybe he accidentally the thread. I can't tell if he the whole thread but he definitely accidentally.

Keller
07-02-2010, 12:54 PM
you define socialist as people who disagree with Rocktar.

Dingdingdingding!

Clove
07-02-2010, 02:59 PM
...coherent...http://failblog.org/2010/07/02/epic-fail-photos-apple-ad-fail/#comments

I repeat. I hope you stock shelves better than you write.

Inspire
07-02-2010, 05:09 PM
I'm so tired of the left vs right bullshit.

Caiylania
07-02-2010, 05:26 PM
Sometimes red goes blue and blue goes red. But people would rather scream instead.

Masterful. I know.