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Parkbandit
02-11-2010, 10:16 AM
WASHINGTON – It's a bipartisan jobs bill that would hand President Barack Obama a badly needed political victory and placate Republicans with tax cuts at the same time. But it has a problem: It won't create many jobs.

Even the Obama administration acknowledges the legislation's centerpiece — a tax cut for businesses that hire unemployed workers — would work only on the margins.

As for the bill's effectiveness, tax experts and business leaders said companies are unlikely to hire workers just to receive a tax break. Before businesses start hiring, they need increased demand for their products, more work for their employees and more revenue to pay those workers.

"We're skeptical that it's going to be a big job creator," said Bill Rys, tax counsel for the National Federation of Independent Business. "There's certainly nothing wrong with giving a tax break to a business that's hired a new worker, especially in these tough times. But in terms of being an incentive to hire a lot of workers, we're skeptical."

Rick Klahsen, a tax expert at the accounting firm RSM McGladrey, said his clients need to see business pick up before they can hire more workers.

"If demand were increased, they are saying it will take care of itself because I will then have the motivation to go out and hire new employees," Klahsen said.

The bipartisan Senate plan would exempt businesses from paying a 6.2 percent Social Security tax on the wages of new employees, as long as the workers have been unemployed at least 60 days. The tax break would run through the end of the year.

A company could save a maximum of $6,621 if it hired an unemployed worker after the bill is enacted and paid that worker at least $106,800 — the maximum amount of wages subject to Social Security taxes — by the end of the year. The company could get an additional $1,000 on its 2011 tax return if it kept the new worker for at least a full year.

The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office recently concluded that reducing Social Security taxes for companies that add workers would be among the most efficient ways for the government to create jobs. However, in showing how difficult it is to create jobs through tax policy, CBO estimates that such a tax break would generate only eight to 18 full-time jobs per $1 million in tax breaks.

The Senate proposal, which is more narrow than the one analyzed by CBO, is estimated to cost about $10 billion. That would add 80,000 to 180,000 jobs over the course of a year. The U.S. economy, meanwhile, has lost 8.4 million jobs since the start of the recession.

Nonetheless, supporters say it is cheaper, simpler and less vulnerable to abuse than Obama's plan, which would give a $5,000 tax credit for each new worker that employers hire and cost $33 billion.

Either way, Obama and lawmakers in both parties still could claim tangible accomplishments in addressing high joblessness and the inability of Republicans and Democrats to work together to solve problems, both top issues among voters early in 2010 midterm election season.

Democratic leaders had originally hoped to pass the bill this week, before record snowfalls effectively shut down Congress and much of the rest of the federal government in the nation's capital. Final action now may not come until March.

In addition to a tax break for hiring workers, the Senate package would extend unemployment payments for people without jobs for more than six months as well as subsidies to help the jobless continue paying premiums for health insurance they had been getting through their former employers.

It also would extend through 2010 about $33 billion in popular tax breaks that expired at the end of 2009, including an income tax deduction for sales and property taxes and a business tax credit for research and development.

Those tax cuts make Republicans willing participants in the bill, despite skepticism in both parties that it will produce an abundance of jobs.

At a hearing last week, House Democrats peppered Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner with questions about whether a tax break for hiring workers will increase employment. Geithner defended the idea but acknowledged that businesses won't start hiring until demand for their products and services increases.

"I think this will provide a little bit more of a boost, a little more spark to make sure as we grow, we're creating more jobs than we otherwise would," he told the House Ways and Means Committee.

Rys, of the National Federation of Independent Business, said the credit could speed hiring once employers need more workers. But, he said, NFIB members aren't seeing many signs of improvement.

"Right now, business owners just don't have customers," Rys said. "Until you have work for the employee to do, there's really less of a reason to hire a new worker."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100210/ap_on_bi_ge/us_what_jobs_11

Well, he's batting a .2000 then (copyright Tsa'ah) since his "Stimulus" bill didn't create much stimulus.

Here Obama.. let me help you out. If you actually want to create jobs (which I doubt) then here is exactly what you do:

1) Cut Corporate Tax rate: Cut to 20%. Maybe even 15%. It can revert back to it's current rate when unemployment reaches 5%.

2) Extend the Bush Tax Cuts until 2012 : I've never, ever been hired by a poor person. Stop targeting people you deem as "rich" as evil.. since they do the majority of small business hiring in this country.

3) Push domestic energy: Drill baby drill! Open up federal lands to drilling for oil, mining for coal, for solar and wind farms, etc... This will not only put people to work, it will lessen our reliance on foreign oil.

4) Allow companies to repatriate earnings: Open up another limited time period where companies can bring back their profits to the US instead of investing them abroad. Lower the rate from 35% where it is currently to something like 5-10%. If it doesn't work, blame Bush because he did it in 2004.. and it worked.

Sean of the Thread
02-11-2010, 10:18 AM
Jobs bill is bullshit imo.

New construction jobs... they're not new it's just another job for gasp construction workers done with another job.

In fact it costs jobs. The new construction on US 19 here has forced several businesses to shut it's doors because customers can't even get to the joint.

Wait I lie. There was a job listing for ON CALL min wage construction flag holders in the paper this week...

**The times had about 20 job listings in the Sunday paper btw. I remember 6 years ago or so when there was about 4 pages of jobs. I remember advertising with them at my previous workplace and having trouble finding someone to show up or call to do data entry for 8 bucks an hour (6 years ago). Shit sucks now.

Parkbandit
02-11-2010, 10:19 AM
The bouncing boobie avatar is by far your best one.

I could watch those all day....

Suppa Hobbit Mage
02-11-2010, 10:21 AM
Looks like discrimination to me.

Sean of the Thread
02-11-2010, 10:22 AM
Lol my pops came in and saw it on the screen and remarked "I heard you can catch a virus if you keep looking at that pornography on the computer"

I said pops it's just an avatar.

"a what? Nevermind."

Suppa Hobbit Mage
02-11-2010, 10:31 AM
Isn't that someones girlfriend or something? ROFL. I forget who it was but they claimed to know the person in your avatar.

Celephais
02-11-2010, 10:51 AM
Isn't that someones girlfriend or something? ROFL. I forget who it was but they claimed to know the person in your avatar.
Solkern knows every one of the animated bouncing boob gif girls. The one whose his girlfriend was the asian girl.

Mighty Nikkisaurus
02-11-2010, 11:00 AM
Jobs bill is bullshit imo.

New construction jobs... they're not new it's just another job for gasp construction workers done with another job.

In fact it costs jobs. The new construction on US 19 here has forced several businesses to shut it's doors because customers can't even get to the joint.

Wait I lie. There was a job listing for ON CALL min wage construction flag holders in the paper this week...

**The times had about 20 job listings in the Sunday paper btw. I remember 6 years ago or so when there was about 4 pages of jobs. I remember advertising with them at my previous workplace and having trouble finding someone to show up or call to do data entry for 8 bucks an hour (6 years ago). Shit sucks now.

In Pittsfield there was new construction on the rotary that runs through the center part of town and it has taken for.fucking.ever to complete, and it's still not complete. I lived there for over a year and the entire time it was under construction.

But yeah, a bunch of businesses ended up shutting down around the rotary because the construction blocked parking as well as access to the businesses. Little coffee shops and restaurants and specialty stores all bit the dust. I was there a few weeks ago and the only place that hadn't closed their doors/was vacated on the rotary was a pub that managed to find alternative parking for customers and threw a lot of events. It's sad because that's the part of town where the small businesses are and where most traffic DID go through on the way to NY or ski resorts towards Vermont. Eventually people got sick of the never ending construction and started using alternate routes, effectively fucking with the local economy.