Neighbors puffin the stuff

[Kuyuk]

Alright, so we had new neighbors move in on the bottom floor of our condo, we're on the 3rd floor, and there's 6 units in this said building.


Since they have moved in, it CONSTANTLY smells like weed throughout all six units. Comically, the crazy lady in the middle and not directly above them was like "Do you get that funny smell? They must be cooking something strange, like cabbage"

So, when is enough... enough? If they're smoking/or whatever enough weed to make six units, not smell like a hint of weed, but like Cheech is in the room with you, wtf is going on down there.

Swear they're drying that shit in their oven or something.




http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd219/cheesymac77/weed-2.jpg

I was trying to find a picture of a car with smoke pouring out, but alas, GIS failed me.

[Androidpk]

What's the problem?

[Keller]

Step 1: Blackmail
Step 2: ????
Step 3: Profit

[Kuyuk]

It fucking smells horrible.

[AnticorRifling]

You mean like:

http://img230.imageshack.us/i/wenn1780874xe2.jpg/


I'd just call the cops.

[Kuyuk]

Not actually sure the cops would do anything...

And I feel a bit bad, because I know they have a young kid (4-5)...

[Androidpk]

I'd just call the cops.

Ratting someone out to the cops over marijuana? You really are whipped.

[Kithus]

Not actually sure the cops would do anything...

And I feel a bit bad, because I know they have a young kid (4-5)...

Then definately call the cops or at least social services.

[Androidpk]

Then definately call the cops or at least social services.

Or grow a pair and go talk to them about the problem.

/thread

[Gan]

Go armed if you do.

[Keller]

Or grow a pair and go talk to them about the problem.

/thread

Agreed. Just drop by some cookies in a neighborly gesture and ask them to open their windows and use a fan.

[Keller]

Go armed if you do.

And be sure to say, "Police, open up!" when you knock.

[Ker_Thwap]

You're entitled to live in a non stinky place.

If you suspect they're drying large amounts, confronting them directly could be a bad idea as they could be dealing and armed.

Call the police, you'll be doing the neighborhood a favor.

[AnticorRifling]

Ratting someone out to the cops over marijuana? You really are whipped.

If by "ratting" you mean handling a situation by properly engaging the authorities when someone is impacting my living space with their shit then yes, you're right.

But if you mean ZOMG WEED IS SO COOL DONT BE A NARC/SQUARE/RAT. No, fuck yourself. If they were in a house and not in joined condos it'd be different, but they aren't. Their fault.

[Androidpk]

Go armed if you do.


Know your dope fiend. Your life may depend on it. You won't be able to see his eyes from tea shades, and his knuckles will be white from inner-tension, and, his pants will be crusted with semen from constantly jacking-off when he can't find a rape victim.

[Androidpk]

If by "ratting" you mean handling a situation by properly engaging the authorities when someone is impacting my living space with their shit then yes, you're right.

But if you mean ZOMG WEED IS SO COOL DONT BE A NARC/SQUARE/RAT. No, fuck yourself. If they were in a house and not in joined condos it'd be different, but they aren't. Their fault.

Calling the police off the back is hardly handling the situation properly.

[AnticorRifling]

Know your dope fiend. Your life may depend on it. You won't be able to see his eyes from tea shades, and his knuckles will be white from inner-tension, and, his pants will be crusted with semen from constantly jacking-off when he can't find a rape victim.

Yeah someone with enough product to stink up 6 condo's couldn't possibly be armed. Good call.

[Kithus]

If they were in a house and not in joined condos it'd be different, but they aren't. Their fault.

It would be different except they have a small child as well. I would hope even if they were in a house that anyone who knew they were either smoking or drying larges amounts of weed would report them for the child's sake. That said, I'll echo what everyone else has said about not talking to them directly if you think they might be dealing.

[Parkbandit]

If by "ratting" you mean handling a situation by properly engaging the authorities when someone is impacting my living space with their shit then yes, you're right.

But if you mean ZOMG WEED IS SO COOL DONT BE A NARC/SQUARE/RAT. No, fuck yourself. If they were in a house and not in joined condos it'd be different, but they aren't. Their fault.

This.

[Fallen]

If they aren't doing anything wrong they don't have anything to fear from a few cops poking around.

[Showal]

Anonymous notes work nice for people who are too scared to say anything directly. I have a neighbor that leaves notes if I warm up my car too long in the morning. They're pleasant to get!

[AnticorRifling]

Calling the police off the back is hardly handling the situation properly.
I wouldn't go knocking on a door of a place that I think has a lot of drugs in it. I don't know how they would react. Not every weed smoker is packin mad heat...agreed, not every weed smoker just wants to hug it out....agreed. 50/50 not odds I'm going to take. Let the cops come by your place, if they can smell it they can follow up, if they say disregard you disregard or is that too crazy?

[AnticorRifling]

Anonymous notes work nice for people who are too scared to say anything directly. I have a neighbor that leaves notes if I warm up my car too long in the morning. They're pleasant to get! Are you warming it up with meth?!

[AnticorRifling]

If they aren't doing anything wrong they don't have anything to fear from a few cops poking around.
While that's my mentality and I agree I still believe in a right to privacy. I wouldn't call them and point them towards their house, I'd call them to my place and say "You smell that?" Odor complaints are, I think, just as valid as noise complaints.

[Showal]

Are you warming it up with meth?!


Haha no, she's just a bitch.

[AnticorRifling]

Warm the car up and leave a note so when she comes to drop off her note she gets one from you telling her to STFU.

[Androidpk]

Asides from the smell starting after the new people moved in, what proof is there that they are the cause of it? I know that's something I would certainly find out first before running to the authorities with my tail between my legs.

[Fallen]

While that's my mentality and I agree I still believe in a right to privacy. I wouldn't call them and point them towards their house, I'd call them to my place and say "You smell that?" Odor complaints are, I think, just as valid as noise complaints.

If there isn't probable cause then they can't go in. The cops knock on the door, if the smell of pot doesn't bowl them over, no probable cause. That being said, i've never called the cops on anyone in my life.

[Showal]

Warm the car up and leave a note so when she comes to drop off her note she gets one from you telling her to STFU.

Already done but in a different manner. I just went to her directly. I invited her over and said "YOU SMELL THAT!?"

[Warriorbird]

Demand they pay your higher grocery bill.

[AnticorRifling]

LOL reminds me of Half-Baked when he goes on a munchie run.

[Ker_Thwap]

Asides from the smell starting after the new people moved in, what proof is there that they are the cause of it? I know that's something I would certainly find out first before running to the authorities with my tail between my legs.

Yeah, the other option is to go get beat up like a manly man, or bring a baseball bat and pummel the parents in front of the kid, or just put on your swami hat and see the future and how it will all play out.

[Kithus]

.

Brian: Get some sour cream and onion chips with some dip, man, some beef jerky, some peanut butter. Get some Häagen-Dazs ice cream bars, a whole lot, make sure chocolate, gotta have chocolate, man. Some popcorn, red popcorn, graham crackers, graham crackers with marshmallows, the little marshmallows and little chocolate bars and we can make s'mores, man. Also, celery, grape jelly, Cap'n Crunch with the little Crunch berries, pizzas. We need two big pizzas, man, everything on 'em, with water, whole lotta water, and Funyons.

Kenny: That's it?

Thurgood Jenkins: Yeah, get me a box of condoms, and, what was that thing we used to eat back in the day? What was it... oh yeah, pussy.

Kenny: You got it.

[Showal]

bring a baseball bat and pummel the parents in front of the kid

This is what happens when you do drugs, kid. Remember that.

[Androidpk]

I guess that depends on where exactly the condo is. Most condos I have been to were in nice areas, not the sort of place I'd imagine your neighbor to attack you for knocking on his door.

[AnticorRifling]

Asides from the smell starting after the new people moved in, what proof is there that they are the cause of it? I know that's something I would certainly find out first before running to the authorities with my tail between my legs.
Tail between your legs? Seriously are you 12 and telling on someone copying math homework?

As I said odor complaints are, to my knowledge, treated like sound complaints. Officers come out, if they smell it, they investigate. If they find it's house X they follow up. You don't call and say ZOMG GO BREAK DOWN HOUSE X'S DOOR LIKE TEH MOVIES.

[Androidpk]

Get some beer... and some cleaning products...

[Showal]

I guess that depends on where exactly the condo is. Most condos I have been to were in nice areas, not the sort of place I'd imagine your neighbor to attack you for knocking on his door.

Everyone who moves on up is not always as nice as the Jeffersons.

[AnticorRifling]

I guess that depends on where exactly the condo is. Most condos I have been to were in nice areas, not the sort of place I'd imagine your neighbor to attack you for knocking on his door.

My brother's house was in a nice area, when he was wigged out on blow he answered the door with an AR-15 at the ready.

Bad shit happens in good areas too man, not just the hood.

[Androidpk]

Tail between your legs? Seriously are you 12 and telling on someone copying math homework?

As I said odor complaints are, to my knowledge, treated like sound complaints. Officers come out, if they smell it, they investigate. If they find it's house X they follow up. You don't call and say ZOMG GO BREAK DOWN HOUSE X'S DOOR LIKE TEH MOVIES.

OR... *gasp* You go and talk to the people in question! If there is something going on in the condo and they don't do something to address the problem, THEN call the police.

[AnticorRifling]

Everyone who moves on up is not always as nice as the Jeffersons.

You sayin they gotta be black because it's weed?!

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z76/cvguy/cvguy%20animatedPics/thats_racist.gif

[Kithus]

I've had the cops called on me exactly once, for a noise complaint. I was helping my parents rake their yard, at two in the afternoon, and had my car stereo on playing the Eagles. One of their neighbors called the cops, who came out and asked me to turn it down a little bit. One of the officers rolled his eyes as he said it.

[AnticorRifling]

OR... *gasp* You go and talk to the people in question! If there is something going on in the condo and they don't do something to address the problem, THEN call the police.
When I think it's drugs involved fuck no. If you're talking a barking dog or their kid shitting on my lawn absolutely.

[AnticorRifling]

I've had the cops called on me exactly once, for a noise complaint. I was helping my parents rake their yard, at two in the afternoon, and had my car stereo on playing the Eagles. One of their neighbors called the cops, who came out and asked me to turn it down a little bit. One of the officers rolled his eyes as he said it. It was probably because it was the eagles. They should have set your car on fire :)

[Fallen]

OR... *gasp* You go and talk to the people in question! If there is something going on in the condo and they don't do something to address the problem, THEN call the police.

What do you think will happen if the cops go to someone's house who doesn't have weed? Something bad? If nothing bad is going on all you will be doing is wasting a cop's time.

[Kithus]

It was probably because it was the eagles. They should have set your car on fire :)

Hey man given my limited options of what my parents were willing to listen to it could have been much worse.

[Ker_Thwap]

People get defensive and violent pretty easily, even in nice areas.

I asked my neighbor really nicely if he could address/train his dog with constant loud barking issues, and he flipped out on me. Because "HE LOVES HIS DOG."

I asked a guy blaring music from his car outside my bedroom window to turn it down. He took offense because I yelled at him. 120db and he was upset because I had to raise my voice to get his attention.

Building manager resolved the first one, police resolved the second one when they hauled him away AND got him for possession.

[Warriorbird]

My brother's house was in a nice area, when he was wigged out on blow he answered the door with an AR-15 at the ready.

Bad shit happens in good areas too man, not just the hood.

Only gun I ever got pulled on me doing door to door sales was in a pretty nice neighborhood.

[Kuyuk]

the only time I've eaten taco bell in the past 10 years is when I left my condo to go to poker and the door to the bottom condo was open for some reason..

I started hacking just walking down the stairs...

[AnticorRifling]

On topic I love taco bell's chicken burritos.

[AnticorRifling]

Only gun I ever got pulled on me doing door to door sales was in a pretty nice neighborhood. I bring one with me to answer the door when I'm not expecting company. I've never pulled it on anyone, and I don't think anyone ever knew I even had it close but yeah I can see that.

[Warriorbird]

I bring one with me to answer the door when I'm not expecting company. I've never pulled it on anyone, and I don't think anyone ever knew I even had it close but yeah I can see that.

The old guy wasn't concealing anything. I'm pretty sure it was a 10 gauge. A bit of me wanted to tell him that he'd forgotten setting the appointment, first thing, but I got way off the porch first. He called me back later and I made the sale. Wearing the ADT polo helped I'm sure.

[AnticorRifling]

The old guy wasn't concealing anything. I'm pretty sure it was a 10 gauge. A bit of me wanted to tell him that he'd forgotten setting the appointment, first thing, but I got way off the porch first. He called me back later and I made the sale. Wearing the ADT polo helped I'm sure.

Yeah nothing more fun than an old guy with a shotgun saying "I think you lost the sidewalk".

[Warriorbird]

I freaked for a bit... but then I realized how much luckier I was than several of the others guys in the office who'd been called for appointments and then gotten robbed. Nothing beats my friend who had a car stolen from him during a test drive, however.

[Gan]

10 ga. Thats a fucking cannon.

[AnticorRifling]

10 ga. Thats a fucking cannon.
Dude speaking of which I found an old 16 ga. magazine fed shotgun in my dad's attic over the weekend. SWEET!

[Gan]

pics or it didnt happen

I'm still trying to score that officer's colt pistol. :(

[Warriorbird]

Dude speaking of which I found an old 16 ga. magazine fed shotgun in my dad's attic over the weekend. SWEET!

Awesome.

[AnticorRifling]

pics or it didnt happen

I'm still trying to score that officer's colt pistol. :(
I left it there, it's in horrible condition since it's just been sitting there. Next time I'm there I'll get a pic and see if I can find some markings on it to figure out how old it is. It had a feeling of a vintage between WWI and WWII era shotgun though.

[BriarFox]

Agreed. Just drop by some cookies in a neighborly gesture and ask them to open their windows and use a fan.


"So I see a truck pulling up to unload, and I see boxes coming out, and I say, those look like Johnny's boxes, and that looks like Johnny's truck. Then I say, that is Johnny's truck, and those are Johnny's boxes. Now my cousins and I, we own this neighborhood. So we'll ask you nicely - pack it up and leave. Have some baklava, the walnuts are delicious."

Paraphrased from memory, courtesy of Weeds, Season 2.

[Archigeek]

Dude speaking of which I found an old 16 ga. magazine fed shotgun in my dad's attic over the weekend. SWEET!

My fav. shotgun. Sometimes hard to find shells, but fun to shoot and deadly accurate for grouse and ducks and such. I once downed 3 out of a group of 4 mallards in 2 shots with that thing.

Mossberg? One in the chamber and 3 in the clip? Adjustable choke with a very tight pattern.

[AnticorRifling]

My fav. shotgun. Sometimes hard to find shells, but fun to shoot and deadly accurate for grouse and ducks and such. I once downed 3 out of a group of 4 mallards in 2 shots with that thing.

Mossberg? One in the chamber and 3 in the clip? Adjustable choke with a very tight pattern.

No idea. I've got one shotgun (benelli M4 civilian version) in my safe and I've never fired it. Not a shotgun man (although I have seen some sweet ones and appreciate them).

Looked to be a 3rd clip, yeah. Not sure as to the make/model. I'll get any info I can off it next time I'm there.

[Archigeek]

Weeds = awesome show.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

I'd probably just go ask them if they can use a fan because the smell is so potent. That being said, I'm pretty apathetic about pot. If it really, REALLY bugs you by all means call the cops, since it's illegal and all.

[Archigeek]

My fav. shotgun. Sometimes hard to find shells, but fun to shoot and deadly accurate for grouse and ducks and such. I once downed 3 out of a group of 4 mallards in 2 shots with that thing.

Mossberg? One in the chamber and 3 in the clip? Adjustable choke with a very tight pattern.

Forgot to mention bolt action. Believe me, it isn't easy getting a second shot off with a bolt action. I'll admit it was quite lucky to down 3 birds with 2 shots with that thing. That last bird was barely in range, and if they hadn't been so tight I'd have never hit two with the first.

[AnticorRifling]

That's awesome, yeah this one is bolt action as well.

[Androidpk]

I'd probably just go ask them if they can use a fan because the smell is so potent. That being said, I'm pretty apathetic about pot. If it really, REALLY bugs you by all means call the cops, since it's illegal and all.

Depends on the state, it's legal in some, medicinally anyways, and decriminalized in a few others.

[Androidpk]

No idea. I've got one shotgun (benelli M4 civilian version) in my safe and I've never fired it.

And why not?!?

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Depends on the state, it's legal in some, medicinally anyways, and decriminalized in a few others.

MA is trying to make it legal, but so far it's just decriminalized. My neighbors are stiletto stoners, lol.

[Androidpk]

Stiletto stoners? Prostitutes?

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Stiletto stoners? Prostitutes?

No, women who work high-paying/high power jobs and when they get home, instead of having a glass of wine/a beer/a highball, they smoke a joint.

[Androidpk]

No, women who work high-paying/high power jobs and when they get home, instead of having a glass of wine/a beer/a highball, they smoke a joint.

Oh.. Are they single??

[Gan]

My fav. shotgun. Sometimes hard to find shells, but fun to shoot and deadly accurate for grouse and ducks and such. I once downed 3 out of a group of 4 mallards in 2 shots with that thing.

Mossberg? One in the chamber and 3 in the clip? Adjustable choke with a very tight pattern.

My uncle is the shotgun fanatic in my family (he's the avid duck hunter/dog trainer). He uses a Remington 10 for ducks then a 12 for smaller fowl. Its funny, when we're out in the blinds and he's over a few, you can hear the 16's pop, the 12's pop a little deeper then you hear the boom of the 10. Even the dogs jump when that thing goes off.

I'm the rifle fanatic. I swear I'm taking my .300 savage next time we go bird hunting - just for the hell of it. Though my favorite shotgun to hunt/shoot with is the reliable Remington 870 pump (12 ga.). I can drag it through the mud and it will still shoot every time.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Oh.. Are they single??
Nope, they both have boyfriends.

Hilariously, one of them is dating someone who is pretty anti-pot and doesn't know of her habits.

[Latrinsorm]

Secret secrets are no fun, Mighty Nikkisaurus. Secret secrets hurt someone.

[Showal]

http://http://www.roflposters.com/overreaction-so-i-was-in-the-shower-ea11ng-a-cookie-when-i-heard-a-noise/955069/

[Bobmuhthol]

Decriminalized doesn't mean legal. Marijuana is still illegal. And it's still a criminal offense to be in possession of more than an ounce in Massachusetts.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Secret secrets are no fun, Mighty Nikkisaurus. Secret secrets hurt someone.

Boooooo, everyone has secrets.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Decriminalized doesn't mean legal. Marijuana is still illegal. And it's still a criminal offense to be in possession of more than an ounce in Massachusetts.

Where did anyone say it's legal? I said it's decriminalized, and there's legislation working towards making it legal.

As far as drugs AND alcohol goes, I'm saying I personally find weed to be pretty fucking benign and thus would not call the cops, though it's certainly within someone else's rights to do so if they wish. The way I see it, Kuyuk has two options: talk to them himself and ask them to take care of the smell, or involve the police.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Where did anyone say it's legal?>>


since it's illegal

Depends on the state

Allow me to rephrase: No it doesn't.

[NocturnalRob]

Oh.. Are they single??
Why do you care? They're not attractive.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

<<Where did anyone say it's legal?>>




Allow me to rephrase: No it doesn't.

POINT to you :P

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Why do you care? They're not attractive.

http://thebsreport.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/huge-fat-woman.jpg

[NocturnalRob]

Standard for Boston, I guess.

[Kuyuk]

Neighbors puffin the... 01-25-2010 01:04 PM I used to suck dick for crack and you're making a thread about marijuana? Pansy ass.


:( but weed smells bad :(

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Standard for Boston, I guess.

Nah, that's a transplant from DC, post pen0r-removal.

[AnticorRifling]

:( but weed smells bad :(
Holy shit Bob Sagat gave you rep!

[NocturnalRob]

Nah, that's a transplant from DC, post pen0r-removal.
I believe that too.

You know I'm not from DC and not living in DC, right? So...good one?

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

I believe that too.

You know I'm not from DC and not living in DC, right? So...good one?

Yeah, you live in NY, I thought.

Sometimes it's just fun to pick on DC.

[NocturnalRob]

Sometimes it's just fun to pick on DC.
Oh yay! My turn!

DC SUX!! muahahaha

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Oh yay! My turn!

DC SUX!! muahahaha

You can do better than that!

[Methais]

I wouldn't go knocking on a door of a place that I think has a lot of drugs in it. I don't know how they would react. Not every weed smoker is packin mad heat...agreed, not every weed smoker just wants to hug it out....agreed. 50/50 not odds I'm going to take. Let the cops come by your place, if they can smell it they can follow up, if they say disregard you disregard or is that too crazy?

I think it'd be more accurate to say if they're dealing large amounts, they're most likely packing heat. If they're just sitting around smoking blunts and watching Adult Swim, you could probably kick the door down and they'll just be like "Dude are you ok?"

That said, I'd just go talk to em. Be up front with them but be cool about it. Feed them some line about how you used to smoke like mad until you landed some job you have to take drug tests for or some shit, then tell them that all the other units can smell it and you don't want one of them to call the cops.

That'll probably be enough to convince them to tone it down.

Bring Doritos too, as a gesture of good will.

[Cephalopod]

Holy shit Bob Sagat gave you rep!

I had this weird feeling it was from Sean2...

[Methais]

Holy shit Bob Sagat gave you rep!

Sagat:
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Saget:
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http://www.documentingreality.com/forum/attachments/f111/75512d1248581817-smiley-emoticon-snatch-grab-big_smiley.jpg

[Gan]

I think it'd be more accurate to say if they're dealing large amounts, they're most likely packing heat. If they're just sitting around smoking blunts and watching Adult Swim, you could probably kick the door down and they'll just be like "Dude are you ok?"

That said, I'd just go talk to em. Be up front with them but be cool about it. Feed them some line about how you used to smoke like mad until you landed some job you have to take drug tests for or some shit, then tell them that all the other units can smell it and you don't want one of them to call the cops.

That'll probably be enough to convince them to tone it down.

Bring Doritos too, as a gesture of good will.

Yea, definitely play the paranoia card.

[Androidpk]

Decriminalized doesn't mean legal. Marijuana is still illegal. And it's still a criminal offense to be in possession of more than an ounce in Massachusetts.

I am well aware of the differences between legal, illegal, and decriminalized. And in MA i'm sure a lot of cops, especially in Boson, don't give a rats ass about people smoking weed. So yes, state does matter.

[Androidpk]

Bring Doritos too, as a gesture of good will.

Better yet, bring a bag of fritos that doesn't open.

[Androidpk]

Why do you care? They're not attractive.

Maybe I just want a rich sugar momma!

[Bobmuhthol]

Take a law class, bro.

[Androidpk]

I'll stick to my government classes.

[Bobmuhthol]

I'm not sure if that's you trying to flash your credentials, so I'll assume it is and lol.

[Androidpk]

I'm not sure if that's you trying to flash your credentials, so I'll assume it is and lol.

Yeah, oooook...

[yesicj]

Because I'm bored and could use the research practice:

Annotated Laws of Massachusetts, Title XV, Chapter 94C §31 says marijuana is a Class D controlled substance.

§32C says first offense possession (and, while the quantity necessary to qualify for possession varies between states, enough to make an apartment building reek is more than likely enough to prove possession) is punishable by <2 years in jail and/or a $500-5000 fine.

Regardless of what you may think a Boston cop is likely to care about, it's still illegal and calling them is certainly an option.

[Androidpk]

It's not about what I think, it's about what I've seen. Groups of people smoking in the commons with cops just strolling on by without even looking twice..

Chicks sitting down in front of the capital building smoking joints with cops nearby..

Yeah. Some cops have more important things to do.

[Geshron]

It sounds to me like they are growing. I smoke, and the only time I've ever cross anything that is so regularly pungent is when it's being grown and processed. I guess if that's not your avenue for recreation, that it might be a hard subject to bring up with these people. Realistically, it sounds as if they are growing which when done so in a condo or apartment building, is profoundly stupid. Good luck with that.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

It's not about what I think, it's about what I've seen. Groups of people smoking in the commons with cops just strolling on by without even looking twice..

Chicks sitting down in front of the capital building smoking joints with cops nearby..

Yeah. Some cops have more important things to do.

Meh, the cops around Cambridge are not lax, especially by the Universities.

[Kuyuk]

I dont know if they're growing, otherwise we'd smell it ALL the time right?

This is only when they're home, but it's so fucking powerful the next county over gets high.

[Androidpk]

Probably not growing then. If the smell is from smoking they must be smoking up a storm.

[ZeP]

Yes, if they were growing it would be constant unless they are taking steps to neutralize the odor which it doesn't sound like they are doing.

I would say try to talk to them but I wouldn't recommend the knock on the door. Try to catch them coming or going. Both of you on your way to your cars, etc.

Barring that, are there rules for the condos for just smoking in general? If there is no smoking indoors maybe you can complain to the manager/landlord/condo association or whatever about smoke. Doesn't matter what kind of smoke. Then they can mention to the people, hey.. we've had smoke complaints.

If there are no rules on smoking.. well, maybe you need a different place where there is a rule, because even if the cops haul these guys away who is to say someone else isn't going to move in who for religious reasons or any other reason burns smelly stuff that is NOT illegal?

[Mechwarrior1]

Being a cop myself, I can tell you that we generally do not bother with misdemeanor crimes committed inside someone's residence (in this case, less than 4 oz of weed in texas is a misdemeanor and would be considered an amount for personal use and not worth my time/safety to go after). Anything more than that and they are arguably dealing/delivering and then it is a different matter (as well as a felony) and need to be investigated.

So if you think these neighbors are of the Dealer/delivery type (they will bring a lot of crime and shady characters into your neighborhood), absolutely throw them under the bus, call 911, and get them out of your area. It will get them to stop/move. It will not neccessarily get them thrown in jail.

I have had several big felony weed/grow-op busts in the last year, but only one of them ended up with charges prosecuted as the person refused to rat out their supplier. It is better to give the arrested middle-man or end-user an out by rolling over on their supplier, and on up the chain so you can kill the problem at its source.

Personally, I would not mind seeing weed legalized as it would allow us cops to focus on the truly dangerous drugs. I have to deal with about 1 heroin death by overdose a week. I have never had a weed OD case. My time would be better served getting the tar off the streets than the weed.

Weed is however a gateway drug that can lead to experimentation in the truly dangerous stuff such as heroin/meth/lcd/pcp/coke/etc, so perhaps the status quo is best.

[Danical]

The theory that weed is a gateway drug is widely disputed/refuted by many researchers.

Just saying.

[Androidpk]

Weed is however a gateway drug that can lead to experimentation in the truly dangerous stuff such as heroin/meth/lcd/pcp/coke/etc, so perhaps the status quo is best.

You were on a roll onto you mentioned this.

[Mechwarrior1]

The theory that weed is a gateway drug is widely disputed/refuted by many researchers.

Just saying.

It is a theory, agreed. But while I come across plenty of people with just weed on them, almost all of the arrests I make for crack/heroin/meth (the big three in my area) also have some amount of weed with them.

I made 139 arrests in 2009 and about a third of those were for drug related offenses. Of those, around half were for weed (if I find you out of your house with it, you will go to jail), and the rest were for the hard stuff. So weed was present almost all the time.

Also, on the residential busts for weed (grow-op and felony amounts), we almost always also find either mushrooms and acid, or meth/crack/tar. The one drug that seems to connect them all together is marijuana.

[Mechwarrior1]

You were on a roll onto you mentioned this.

Heh, yeah. I am expecting my rep to go solid red at any moment....

[Danical]

I strongly suggest you read the research as you're drawing faulty conclusions.

[Androidpk]

Just because all those people you arrested had marijuana in common doesn't mean it's a gateway. I'm sure they had a lot of other things in common too, drinking coffee maybe, is caffeine a gateway drug for heroin?

[Mechwarrior1]

Just because all those people you arrested had marijuana in common doesn't mean it's a gateway. I'm sure they had a lot of other things in common too, drinking coffee maybe, is caffeine a gateway drug for heroin?

I probably should have designated what I meant by gateway as not being on the personal level, but the social level.

It is a gateway drug in the sense that dealers will use it as a cheap and easy way to get the young and unsuspecting prospective clients coming back and then introducing them to harder product. I see it all the time on the street.

Anyway I hope the folks with the troublesum (hahaha IMT sums) neighbors get their problem resolved safely.

[NocturnalRob]

Maybe I just want a rich sugar momma!
I would suggest LA or NYC.

At least then you have a decent shot at them being worthy of a bagless bang.

Also, I wish my neighbors were puffins. They'd be a lot less noisy.

http://www.seabird.org/assets/gallery/birds/9004262_puffin_a.jpg

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

It is a theory, agreed. But while I come across plenty of people with just weed on them, almost all of the arrests I make for crack/heroin/meth (the big three in my area) also have some amount of weed with them.


100 percent of people you arrest drink water, too!

Therefore, water must be a gateway drink.

Honestly, the problem with all this is that correlation does not equal causation.

[Androidpk]

100 percent of people you arrest drink water, too!

Therefore, water must be a gateway drink.

Honestly, the problem with all this is that correlation does not equal causation.


Water is only a gateway if you drink tap.

[TheEschaton]

(in this case, less than 4 oz of weed in texas is a misdemeanor and would be considered an amount for personal use and not worth my time/safety to go after)

Ah yes, I remember the old times, when a qp was a slow day of smoking for me.

[Mechwarrior1]

100 percent of people you arrest drink water, too!


Tell that to the average bum. They drink alright, just something else! The only time they get water it seems is by IV from EMS after they are found passed out in an alley.

[Androidpk]

Ah yes, I remember the old times, when a qp was a slow day of smoking for me.

Goddamn.. And I always thought a half oz was a lot..

Move back to Boston!

[Stanley Burrell]

Give them an ultimatum whereby if I don't have as much ganj' as you posted in the first pic, in an hour from now, that I will meteor swarm the Dais and run breakgs.cmd.

[4a6c1]

Doesnt pot make you stupid?

[Kuyuk]

Well, he looks pretty stupid

With his pants on the ground...

[Androidpk]

Doesnt pot make you stupid?

Yes.

And watching too much TV makes your brain melt out of your ears.

[4a6c1]

What about those people with their eyes glazed who dont shave or wash their armpits and work at gas stations and smell like the reefer grows in their fungal green grinchy eyebrows?

[Stanley Burrell]

Some of those glaze-eyed dirty armpit gas station workers are looking like a fool with their pants on the grounds, that's true.

[BigWorm]

Ah yes, I remember the old times, when a qp was a slow day of smoking for me.

That was either incredibly wasteful or you were smoking some nasty shit.

[Androidpk]

What about those people with their eyes glazed who dont shave or wash their armpits and work at gas stations and smell like the reefer grows in their fungal green grinchy eyebrows?

I'm not saying it doesn't do that for everyone. It certainly doesn't do it for everyone though. Just like not everyone who drinks alcohol turns into a smell alcoholic bum.

[Kranar]

Meh... I mean I guess technically you can phone the cops if you really feel threatened but really... phoning the cops on people for smoking weed in their own home? I don't know... I'd like to think cops have better things to deal with. Even as someone who is personally very anti-drugs, to me people smoking weed in the comfort of their own home really isn't something worth putting them in jail for, giving them a criminal record.

Unless you really do have a reason to feel threatened, just head down there and talk to them, or let them know they're stinking up your place if you see them in the hall. Heck even an anonymous note as people have suggested would be a lot better than phoning the cops.

[4a6c1]

Some of those glaze-eyed dirty armpit gas station workers are looking like a fool with their pants on the grounds, that's true.

I'm really happy that you decided to add 'no pants' to my descriptive phrase. Because it just wasnt weird enough before that. Thank you.

[Stanley Burrell]

I'm really happy that you decided to add 'no pants' to my descriptive phrase. Because it just wasnt weird enough before that. Thank you.

Heeheeheehee.

OH ROBIN: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkeAzqhlkNk

Edit: Also, echoing Kuyuk's sentiment ~8 posts ago.

[TheEschaton]

That was either incredibly wasteful or you were smoking some nasty shit.

It was more of a joke, than anything else, a qp would last me at least a week, usually.

[Kuyuk]

Meh... I mean I guess technically you can phone the cops if you really feel threatened but really... phoning the cops on people for smoking weed in their own home? I don't know... I'd like to think cops have better things to deal with. Even as someone who is personally very anti-drugs, to me people smoking weed in the comfort of their own home really isn't something worth putting them in jail for, giving them a criminal record.

Unless you really do have a reason to feel threatened, just head down there and talk to them, or let them know they're stinking up your place if you see them in the hall. Heck even an anonymous note as people have suggested would be a lot better than phoning the cops.

I dont feel threatened, but I dont like having my house/clothes/furniture smell like ass either.

I dont care if people smoke, but I cant imagine the quantity one must smoke to infiltrate six condos with heavy stench. I mean, fuck, when I fart, it smells bad, and lingers. And lingers. But I cant smell it four rooms away, nor [probably] four condos away.

[Androidpk]

Your clothes actually smell like weed now?

[Stanley Burrell]

The only logical thing to do is make your farts reek so tremendously of sulfurous death, that it can compete with the skunk odor -- And then it can be an all-out chemical war.

[Androidpk]

Hire Chemical Ali! Oh wait..

[Kranar]

I dont feel threatened, but I dont like having my house/clothes/furniture smell like ass either.


Oh I agree, I think one way or another you gotta put an end to these people stinking up yours and everyone elses place. You definitely should not put up with the stench.

[4a6c1]

Heeheeheehee.

OH ROBIN: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkeAzqhlkNk


lmao

i<3u

[Kuyuk]

Anticor, can I borrow that shotgun you have never fired?

[AestheticLife]

A small child is involved. Call the cops.

/endthread.

[Drisco]

Try and catch them on the way out of the condo so it's in a public place and you can walk and talk. Stop being a pussy and do it already... I wanna hear what happens :P

[Kuyuk]

plz hold while I go knock at 1:15am

[Androidpk]

plz hold while I go knock at 1:15am

Make sure to knock just like Sheldon does.

[yesicj]

*knock knock*
stoners
*knock knock*
stoners
*knock knock*
stoners
*knock knock*
stoners
.
.
.
etc.

[Kyra231]

OR... *gasp* You go and talk to the people in question! If there is something going on in the condo and they don't do something to address the problem, THEN call the police.

Yeah that's a GREAT idea, then if they don't address it & you call the cops they'll know exactly where to go to take out their hostilities.

[Stretch]

While that's my mentality and I agree I still believe in a right to privacy. I wouldn't call them and point them towards their house, I'd call them to my place and say "You smell that?" Odor complaints are, I think, just as valid as noise complaints.

I wish I could call the cops on some of the IT people that work in my building.

I am 98% sure that they eat hot feces for breakfast.

[Geshron]

A small child is involved. Call the cops.

/endthread.

Are you fucking stupid? Oh yes, let's jail the parents for POT. If they are growing and dealing and there are guns and shady characters involved sure. However, if they are recreational smokers who are simply careless in being respectful of others views on it's presence (in this case, by odor) then someone just needs a bit of audacity to say something. As in this case, it's warranted to have the conversation. But to go to such an extreme as to risk breaking up a (pot wreaking) home solely based on the odor of marijuana is utterly ridiculous and you should be deported for implying so. I'd be interested to see how you'd feel if another substance that is more socially acceptable was at fault.

edit - I don't mean literally deported, it's just something I enjoy saying when I find something so incredibly stupid to be said.

[Bobmuhthol]

Since children are not informed, consenting adults, I don't really understand how you can apply the "BUT IT'S JUST POT!" argument. Would you let me take care of your kid knowing that I am going to be going MaRiJuAnA cRaZy around him or her?

[Geshron]

Since children are not informed, consenting adults, I don't really understand how you can apply the "BUT IT'S JUST POT!" argument. Would you let me take care of your kid knowing that I am going to be going MaRiJuAnA cRaZy around him or her?

Simply because there are easier methods than dealing with it than resorting to risking child services being involved. For that sole purpose I feel it's very simple to resort to the 'it's only pot' argument. Unless you have ever been in a situation where you were relegated to foster or extended family care, it may be difficult to identify with. I certainly don't condone anyone with kids to be reckless, idiotic smokers. Quite frankly, that interferes with adults who smoke with common sense and no responsibility of another human life in their hands. That's the only reason why.

[AnticorRifling]

Illegal drugs, abuse of legal substances, same shit. The kid shouldn't be in the house. But it's just weed....it's illegal until that's changed its, oh what's the word...oh yeah illegal.

[Geshron]

Illegal drugs, abuse of legal substances, same shit. The kid shouldn't be in the house. But it's just weed....it's illegal until that's changed its, oh what's the word...oh yeah illegal.

Again, I don't disagree that kids should be around it in any parameter. I am simply stating it is an incredibly drastic measure to risk such trauma to a child. It's more or less a matter of a lesser of two evils.

Most importantly, why haven't you (whoever started the thread, I forget by now) just gone and talked to them? I suppose I was raised differently but if I have a problem with you and it affects my personal space and quality of life, you will fucking hear about it. I don't care if you are high on PCP. Once someone fucks with your personal space, legal or not, handle that shit!

[AnticorRifling]

Again, I don't disagree that kids should be around it in any parameter. I am simply stating it is an incredibly drastic measure to risk such trauma to a child. It's more or less a matter of a lesser of two evils.


You mean risking trauma to the child by doing illegal shit in the house instead of being a responsible adult? I agree.

Involving the authorities and services that are in place to handle situations where the parents are using/abusing substances is the lesser of two evils. Right on I agree again.

:)

[Gan]

You mean risking trauma to the child by doing illegal shit in the house instead of being a responsible adult? I agree.

Involving the authorities and services that are in place to handle situations where the parents are using/abusing substances is the lesser of two evils. Right on I agree again.

:)

/Agree x2

[Das Uberdog]

seriously, unless the person has tattoos on their face and an expression that constantly says "i'm going to rip your head off" you can probably safely go up to them and be like "hey, i don't care if you're smoking weed in your place but i can smell it in mine.. could you take care of that?"

if they are not totally r-tarded they will respect that you are giving them a break by not bringing the law into it and they will sort their shit out.

don't call the cops, they could go to jail for a ridiculous amount of time depending on the circumstances (mostly where you live), and i'm sure that'll be real good for their kid.

[Drisco]

Is the child even present when they are smoking up? How do we know that they aren't at daycare or something... I know I was oblivious that my Father smoked weed till I was like 16 and I finally knew what the pot scent smelled like.

If they look like good people it'd be a shame to put them into jail for pot. Maybe only the father smokes up and the mother doesn't or vice versa. A sober parent could be watching the child at all times, we don't know.. Assumptions are bad mmk.

[Celephais]

don't call the cops, they could go to jail for a ridiculous amount of time depending on the circumstances (mostly where you live), and i'm sure that'll be real good for their kid.
Doesn't that sound like the kind of moral dilemma they should be worried about... not you?

The big problem is that I don't think they're going to be able to reduce the smell if they're smoking that much (vaporizer might help... cardboard tube/dryer sheets probably won't handle that much), and it's not like they're going to say "Oh man, sorry, didn't realize you could smell it, I'll quit smoking". So then you've told them you have a problem, they won't take care of it, then you'll have to escalate and the cops won't likely do anything other than talk to them, and they'll blame you, and take any opportunity to F with you.

It may seem passive aggressive but a note might be the way to go, if you want to be nice, then give them a week, no improvement, call the cops.

[AnticorRifling]

Is the child even present when they are smoking up? How do we know that they aren't at daycare or something... I know I was oblivious that my Father smoked weed till I was like 16 and I finally knew what the pot scent smelled like.

If they look like good people it'd be a shame to put them into jail for pot. Maybe only the father smokes up and the mother doesn't or vice versa. A sober parent could be watching the child at all times, we don't know.. Assumptions are bad mmk.
Yeah it'd be horrible that they go to jail for doing drugs....

[Keller]

You mean risking trauma to the child by doing illegal shit in the house instead of being a responsible adult? I agree.

Involving the authorities and services that are in place to handle situations where the parents are using/abusing substances is the lesser of two evils. Right on I agree again.

:)

REEEEEEEFER MADNESS!!!

[Keller]

Yeah it'd be horrible that they go to jail for doing drugs....

I agree. It really would be.

[AnticorRifling]

Quick make the guys who follow the laws and use the system look like the bad guys. GO!

[Celephais]

Yeah it'd be horrible that they go to jail for doing drugs....


I agree. It really would be.
The thing is that the parents know what they are doing could send them to jail, and leave their child stranded. They are putting themselves before the child and taking that risk. Kuyuk has no responsibility to that child or the family, he didn't put them in this position. It doesn't matter how minor their inconvience of him is, it's his right to call it in, and they're the ones who ruined the family. It's no different if he calls the cops on them or bored patrolman happens to be walking by.

[AnticorRifling]

I'll use me as an example. The moment I had a kid(s) doing dumb shit stopped. The potential to harm my kids because of doing dumb shit was something I would not stand for, this includes doing shit that could cause me to go to jail. I know it's crazy.

[AestheticLife]

Quick make the guys who have the slightest respect for a child's life look like the bad guys. GO!

Fixed! I could give a shit less about the laws or ideology involved, the kid's safety is at risk. Period.

I don't care if it's pot. I don't care if it's crack. I don't give two shits if the kid's parent is Rick fucking James himself. Have some respect, be a parent, and grow the fuck up, or you'll realize what a dumbass you were being behind bars.

Anyone who disagrees mostly likely ate paint chips and assorted kitchen cleaners while their parents were smoking away a case of the Mondays.

[Keller]

Quick make the guys who follow the laws and use the system look like the bad guys. GO!

You were already doing a fine job. :)

There is no reason to become hysterical.

I'm pretty sure I could find at least a half dozen laws you break at least once a year. Don't go all emo on me.

[AnticorRifling]

You were already doing a fine job. :)

There is no reason to become hysterical.

I'm pretty sure I could find at least a half dozen laws you break at least once a year. Don't go all emo on me.

To be honest I'd take that bet. At this point I'm so boring it's not even funny. The things I think of doing != the things I do anymore.

[Celephais]

I'm pretty sure I could find at least a half dozen laws you break at least once a year. Don't go all emo on me.
How many of those laws would send him to jail and leave his kids without a parent?

[Gan]

Which brings us back to requring people to pass a test before being allowed to procreate.

[Keller]

How many of those laws would send him to jail and leave his kids without a parent?

I think you're making the incorrect assumption that possession of pot will send a person to jail.

[NocturnalRob]

The moment I had a kid(s) doing dumb shit stopped. The potential to harm my kids because of doing dumb shit was something I would not stand for.
Depends on your definition of dumb shit. Like...I would define "living in Indiana" as dumb shit that has the potential to harm your kids. But that's just me.

heartzzz

[Keller]

To be honest I'd take that bet. At this point I'm so boring it's not even funny. The things I think of doing != the things I do anymore.

But I bet if I did find one, it'd likely result in TRAUMA TO UR KIDZ CUZ IT IS ILLEGAL!

[AestheticLife]

I think you're making the incorrect assumption that possession of pot will send a person to jail.

Child endangerment usually does that part.

"Child endangerment is a criminal offense that involves the subjection of minor children to inappropriate or dangerous situations."

[Keller]

Depends on your definition of dumb shit. Like...I would define "living in Indiana" as dumb shit that has the potential to harm your kids. But that's just me.

heartzzz

Seriously.

I grew up in Indiana. I know the trauma.

[Gan]

Is the child even present when they are smoking up? How do we know that they aren't at daycare or something... I know I was oblivious that my Father smoked weed till I was like 16 and I finally knew what the pot scent smelled like.
Nothing like blazing up a bag then driving out to pick the kid up from daycare.


If they look like good people it'd be a shame to put them into jail for pot. Maybe only the father smokes up and the mother doesn't or vice versa. A sober parent could be watching the child at all times, we don't know.. Assumptions are bad mmk.
Of course there's no such thing as a contact high for the non-smoking parent - or the kid who's in the same environment.

Seriously?

[AnticorRifling]

I think you're making the incorrect assumption that possession of pot will send a person to jail.
Yeah you'd probably do 24 hours in the stir if that while getting processed. Same for shoplifting I'd assume.

[Keller]

Child endangerment usually does that part.

"Child endangerment is a criminal offense that involves the subjection of minor children to inappropriate or dangerous situations."

Do you get charged with child endangerment when you have your kids in the car and get pulled over for speeding?

Are you fucking retarded?

Are any of these questions rhetorical?

[AnticorRifling]

Seriously.

I grew up in Indiana. I know the trauma. And you turned out just fine....fuck shit I'm moving my kids now it's the only chance they have1!!!!one

LOL :)

[Keller]

Yeah you'd probably do 24 hours in the stir if that while getting processed. Same for shoplifting I'd assume.

Kuyuk is in MA, right?

If so, he'd get a $100 fine and the pot confiscated.

It is a civil offense, not a criminal offense. There would be no jailtime.

[Gan]

Could be worse, you could live in Texas.

[Das Uberdog]

Doesn't that sound like the kind of moral dilemma they should be worried about... not you?

are you imply that you have no choice but to call the police?

[AnticorRifling]

Do you get charged with child endangerment when you have your kids in the car and get pulled over for speeding?

Are you fucking retarded?

Are any of these questions rhetorical?

I don't know, but I wouldn't be against a law that did just that.

Potentially, I mean I did get married without a shotgun pointed at me.

I'm not answering the third one because I think it is.

[Keller]

Nothing like blazing up a bag then driving out to pick the kid up from daycare.

Of course there's no such thing as a contact high for the non-smoking parent - or the kid who's in the same environment.

Seriously?

Contact highs are bullshit.

Unless you're hotboxxing.

People who say they have a contact high are the same people who are "drunk" when you give them orange juice and tell them its a screw driver.

[Keller]

I don't know, but I wouldn't be against a law that did just that.

Potentially, I mean I did get married without a shotgun pointed at me.

I'm not answering the third one because I think it is.

You'd not be opposed to a law on the books that sends parents to jail for speeding with their kids in the car?

How do you plan to pay for all these jail cells?

[Das Uberdog]

I think you're making the incorrect assumption that possession of pot will send a person to jail.

this varies greatly depending on where you are living. in some states possession of very small quantities of weed will get you in some serious shit. in other states possession of even fairly significant amounts will only get you a fine.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

You'd not be opposed to a law on the books that sends parents to jail for speeding with their kids in the car?

How do you plan to pay for all these jail cells?
And pay/support for foster families (if you can find enough)

[Gan]

Contact highs are bullshit.
I disagree. Everybody's system responds differently to stimulants (drugs). Especially a child. And if you're in a small condo with someone blazing up to the point that it affects someone 3 floors up as described in the OP then you can bet it has a definitive effect in the people not smoking that are in the same direct environment as the smoker.

[AnticorRifling]

You'd not be opposed to a law on the books that sends parents to jail for speeding with their kids in the car?

How do you plan to pay for all these jail cells?

Give me some non made up metrics where a parent is pulled over, and found guilty of, speeding (let's say the over 15 or whatever your state says is reckless), when a child is present. Then I can give you a better answer to your question.

[Das Uberdog]

Gan is a weed expert.

[AnticorRifling]

I disagree. Everybody's system responds differently to stimulants (drugs). Especially a child. And if you're in a small condo with someone blazing up to the point that it affects someone 3 floors up as described in the OP then you can bet it has a definitive effect in the people not smoking that are in the same direct environment as the smoker. Again we're assuming the kid is present at the time. I would hope even pot heads aren't this retarded but let's be honest a lot of them are that dumb.

[NocturnalRob]

How do you plan to pay for all these jail cells?
Don't worry! Obama will think of something!!

YES, WE CAN!

[Gan]

Gan is a weed expert.
No, I just know that drugs affect people differently, especially children. I also know through direct experience that you can get a contact high from being in the same room (being repeatedly exposed over time) as others who are smoking in the same room. Call it a combination of life experiences added to further education through reading and having a wife who's a nurse practitioner with her added educational input.

Oh and common fucking sense.

[Gan]

Again we're assuming the kid is present at the time. I would hope even pot heads aren't this retarded but let's be honest a lot of them are that dumb.

Perhaps they forgot a kid was there...

[AnticorRifling]

Dude did that cabbage patch kid just talk? We should get tacos.

[Das Uberdog]

No, I just know that drugs affect people differently, especially children. I also know through direct experience that you can get a contact high from being in the same room (being repeatedly exposed over time) as others who are smoking in the same room. Call it a combination of life experiences added to further education through reading and having a wife who's a nurse practitioner with her added educational input.

Oh and common fucking sense.

LOLOL

[Kuyuk]

On a side note, I will say this thread has the most responses any thread out of any I've started ...


I keep making truffles, and no matter how many I make, I EAT THEM ALL.

[AnticorRifling]

So what did you decide to do? Aside from make truffles...

[Gan]

How do you plan to pay for all these jail cells?
http://sanctification.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/obama.jpg

[Das Uberdog]

i have to say, i respect Gan for at least putting his name on his neg rep. most people are bitches it seems.

you are a stand up guy, Gan, though i think you could make a much more compelling argument regarding "contact highs" by posting some kind of research to back up your claims.

[droit]

So what did you decide to do? Aside from make truffles...

He obviously went downstairs, smoked a bowl with his neighbors, and now has the munchies.

[NocturnalRob]

Gan, you already posted that one, you cheater.

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showpost.php?p=1053066&postcount=247

[AnticorRifling]

He obviously went downstairs, smoked a bowl with his neighbors, and now has the munchies.
The plot thickens! Or is it a reduction?! <--- oh shit the only cooking term I know just got tossed up in.

[Gan]

i have to say, i respect Gan for at least putting his name on his neg rep. most people are bitches it seems.

you are a stand up guy, Gan, though i think you could make a much more compelling argument regarding "contact highs" by posting some kind of research to back up your claims.

I really dont feel that 'research' is requisite for debating whether or not having a child in the same room as someone smoking a bowl is safe or good for the child with regards to the child getting a contact high or any other residual effects from first hand and second hand smoke from burning marajuana. *Now add to that the scenario as described in the OP and it emphasizes the point even more. Its not like someone's sucking the life out of a blunt. The OP described the smell strong enough to affect him 2 floors up. Thats not a quickie toke and rollin out with your day.

Again, common fucking sense.

[Gan]

Gan, you already posted that one, you cheater.

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showpost.php?p=1053066&postcount=247

I know, but it had mileage!

[Keller]

No, I just know that drugs affect people differently, especially children. I also know through direct experience that you can get a contact high from being in the same room (being repeatedly exposed over time) as others who are smoking in the same room. Call it a combination of life experiences added to further education through reading and having a wife who's a nurse practitioner with her added educational input.

Oh and common fucking sense.

Oh, I didn't know it was just a "general experience" conclusion.

In the materials you read, did they happen to indicate the percent of THC absorbed by the initial inhalation and the rate at which the remaining THC dissipates once it is exhaled? Given those two facts, what size room and what amount of second-hand smoke would be required to get an actual buzz?

Like I said, unless you're hot boxxing, contact highs are bullshit. You likely just had a contact high (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contact_high).

[AnticorRifling]

Common sense is an uncommon virtue.

[NocturnalRob]

I know, but it had mileage!
yeah, that one got passed around a lot.

that cartoon is a fucking slut.

[AnticorRifling]

Oh, I didn't know it was just a "general experience" conclusion.

In the materials you read, did they happen to indicate the percent of THC absorbed by the initial inhalation and the rate at which the remaining THC dissipates once it is exhaled? Given those two facts, what size room and what amount of second-hand smoke would be required to get an actual buzz?

Like I said, unless you're hot boxxing, contact highs are bullshit. You likely just had a contact high (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contact_high).

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[Das Uberdog]

I really dont feel that 'research' is requisite for debating whether or not having a child in the same room as someone smoking a bowl is safe or good for the child with regards to the child getting a contact high or any other residual effects from first hand and second hand smoke from burning marajuana.

Again, common fucking sense.

you're wrong. it's common fucking sense.

did you like my strong-ass argument? shit ruled.

[Showal]

I disagree. Everybody's system responds differently to stimulants (drugs). Especially a child. And if you're in a small condo with someone blazing up to the point that it affects someone 3 floors up as described in the OP then you can bet it has a definitive effect in the people not smoking that are in the same direct environment as the smoker.

While everyone's system does respond differently, every drug has a difference in the amount that needs to be present in the air to cause a noticeable smell and the amount that needs to be present to actually cause a noticeable effect on the body. Because you can smell it does not mean it's necessarily giving you a "contact high".

Weed has a really strong odor. The amount that would need to be smoked to make a condo complex smell (if Kuyuk lives in a complex similar to mine - Kuyuk it's in Natick, MA ... you might actually live near it) wouldn't really need to be much. I smoke cigars, but not indoors, which are just a strong an odor. Believe me, if I smoked indoors, my WHOLE complex would know it. Even if I only did it once a day. I wouldn't need to dry it in my oven, grow anything, or light a few boxes up in the fireplace to produce that smell. Just one.

[AnticorRifling]

You use those endy symbols but you don't use the scary big letters at the start of your word thoughts my brain assplode.

[AnticorRifling]

While everyone's system does respond differently, every drug has a difference in the amount that needs to be present in the air to cause a noticeable smell and the amount that needs to be present to actually cause a noticeable effect on the body. Because you can smell it does not mean it's necessarily giving you a "contact high".

Weed has a really strong odor. The amount that would need to be smoked to make a condo complex smell (if Kuyuk lives in a complex similar to mine - Kuyuk it's in Natick, MA ... you might actually live near it) wouldn't really need to be much. I smoke cigars, but not indoors, which are just a strong an odor. Believe me, if I smoked indoors, my WHOLE complex would know it. Even if I only did it once a day. I wouldn't need to dry it in my oven, grow anything, or light a few boxes up in the fireplace to produce that smell. Just one.
So why do you smoke them outside?

[Das Uberdog]

You use those endy symbols but you don't use the scary big letters at the start of your word thoughts my brain assplode.

i'm mothafukken e.e. cummings, son.

[Keller]

So why do you smoke them outside?

DON'T FALL FOR THE SETUP!!!!11

[Celephais]

I think you're making the incorrect assumption that possession of pot will send a person to jail.
If they've got enough of it, yes.

are you imply that you have no choice but to call the police?
Nope, I'm saying that his decision to call the police should in no way be hinged on the level of inconvience/punishment that will be placed on the people commiting the crime. If there's a loud party next door, and I know that if I call in a noise complaint that it would result in some drug related third strike or some sort of parolee violation with massive reprocutions, that should have no bearing on the fact that they're making an inappriopriate amount of noise. They are the ones who got themselves there, and the fact that the end result would be more devestating than they deserve for the particular offense should not give them carte blanche.

[pabstblueribbon]

Tell them to buy a vaporizer. No smell, better for you. Problem solved.

[AnticorRifling]

DON'T FALL FOR THE SETUP!!!!11

HAHA STFU this is serious business!!!!!!

[Gan]

Oh, I didn't know it was just a "general experience" conclusion.

In the materials you read, did they happen to indicate the percent of THC absorbed by the initial inhalation and the rate at which the remaining THC dissipates once it is exhaled? Given those two facts, what size room and what amount of second-hand smoke would be required to get an actual buzz?

Like I said, unless you're hot boxxing, contact highs are bullshit. You likely just had a contact high (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contact_high).

You convienently left out first hand smoke, the physiological condition of the child and the child's susceptability to smoke and the trace amounts of THC found in first and second hand smoke required to minimally alter the child's state along with your calculations. I'm focusing on the child since a child's body is critically more susceptable to toxins (drugs) than a mature adult's body is.

So if a contact high is nothing to worry about. Would you smoke a bowl in the same room with your children with no worry? (Discounting the fact that after the first few hits you'd really not care or remember to care.)

[Showal]

So why do you smoke them outside?


Haha ... I have a little more common sense than Kuyuk's neighbors.

To clarify, my post was NOT in any way saying it's sensible to smoke in front of a child. I don't agree with that. I just don't necessarily agree with the smell equating to a contact high or even contact highs really existing.

[Cephalopod]

Just give us the address and we'll call the police for you.

[Gan]

So who here would smoke a bowl in the same room with their child?

[AnticorRifling]

Am I allowed to answer if I don't know how one smokes a bowl? I'm assuming there's some sort of crockware and a good hearty fire involved.

[Keller]

You convienently left out first hand smoke, the physiological condition of the child and the child's susceptability to smoke and the trace amounts of THC found in first and second hand smoke required to minimally alter the child's state along with your calculations. I'm focusing on the child since a child's body is critically more susceptable to toxins (drugs) than a mature adult's body is.

So if a contact high is nothing to worry about. Would you smoke a bowl in the same room with your children with no worry? (Discounting the fact that after the first few hits you'd really not care or remember to care.)

Do you have any of that information? It was a question for you, not for me.

And no, I wouldn't. But not because I think they would get a contact high. It's the same reason I wouldn't get drunk in front of my kids.

[Showal]

http://forum.gsplayers.com/images/reputation/reputation_pos.gifNeighbors puffin the... (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?p=1054682#post1054682)01-25-2010 11:54 PMAnonymously give me your weed. Thanks.

Also, I don't think this is an argument over who here thinks you should smoke in front of your kids. I think the argument is more that smoking in front of your kids won't necessarily give them the contact high you think it will.

[NocturnalRob]

Anyone who uses a fucking bowl to smoke should stay in college.

[AnticorRifling]

Do you have any of that information? It was a question for you, not for me.

And no, I wouldn't. But not because I think they would get a contact high. It's the same reason I wouldn't get drunk in front of my kids.
You don't want them using the cell phone camera to blackmail your ass. Smart man. That's why I bind my kids' hands and feet with duct tape before I tap into my classy ass box of wine.

[Keller]

Anyone who uses a fucking bowl to smoke should stay in college.

And anyone who takes shots of jaeger should also stay in college.

[Das Uberdog]

Nope, I'm saying that his decision to call the police should in no way be hinged on the level of inconvience/punishment that will be placed on the people commiting the crime. If there's a loud party next door, and I know that if I call in a noise complaint that it would result in some drug related third strike or some sort of parolee violation with massive reprocutions, that should have no bearing on the fact that they're making an inappriopriate amount of noise. They are the ones who got themselves there, and the fact that the end result would be more devestating than they deserve for the particular offense should not give them carte blanche.

i could see you saying that you just don't care what happens to other people if they are inconveniencing you in any way, but that's kinda sociopathic.

you seem to be saying that he should not consider the consequences of his actions before deciding what course of action to take. that he should only be concerned about how his choice of action affects himself. this is a pretty antisocial moral framework.

[Cephalopod]

Being a parent, but also someone who supports legalization of marijuana, I would not smoke pot in the same house as my kids when I was in any way responsible for them. I feel it's irresponsible of any parent to do so, just like I feel it's irresponsible for any parent to get drunk while in any way responsible for their children.

[Celephais]

i could see you saying that you just don't care what happens to other people if they are inconveniencing you in any way, but that's kinda sociopathic.

you seem to be saying that he should not consider the consequences of his actions before deciding what course of action to take. that he should only be concerned about how his choice of action affects himself. this is a pretty antisocial moral framework.
The thing is he's not the one performing an action that has consequences. His neighbors are. Do you think people shouldn't call the police in a car accident because they find out the other person had a suspended license? "Oh ... well I guess my car is wrecked, but if I call this in you'd be going to jail, and that'd ruin your life... guess I should give you a pass"

Edit: we were also talking extremes, odds are if he calls the cops nothing happens except they get scared into not making it smell like pot, problem solved. If something worse happens, it's because they were more deserving of it... if the cops come and find a whole production facility, should he feel real bad when they go to jail? Nope.

[Geshron]

Being a parent, but also someone who supports legalization of marijuana, I would not smoke pot in the same house as my kids when I was in any way responsible for them. I feel it's irresponsible of any parent to do so, just like I feel it's irresponsible for any parent to get drunk while in any way responsible for their children.

This I can agree to completely. Regardless, if the smell is as consistent and strong as he says it is than likely they are doing something they shouldn't be with kids in the house in the first place. Let alone, dealing the substance. You have stupid fucking neighbors, that's definitely the case regardless of outcome.

[Das Uberdog]

The thing is he's not the one performing an action that has consequences. His neighbors are. Do you think people shouldn't call the police in a car accident because they find out the other person had a suspended license? "Oh ... well I guess my car is wrecked, but if I call this in you'd be going to jail, and that'd ruin your life... guess I should give you a pass"

yes you are taking an action that has consequences. you are calling the police and asking them to come over and check these people out. if you didn't call, the police may well not come over. i don't see how you are lacking agency in this situation.

i think having your car wrecked is a bit more inconvenient than having a smell in your apartment. you can ask someone to do something about the smell & it may well go away. i doubt the guy with a suspended license can just up and fix your car for you.


Edit: we were also talking extremes, odds are if he calls the cops nothing happens except they get scared into not making it smell like pot, problem solved. If something worse happens, it's because they were more deserving of it... if the cops come and find a whole production facility, should he feel real bad when they go to jail? Nope.

leaving a note or talking to the person can also accomplish this.

"a whole production facility" can mean anything from a warehouse filled with crazy-ass lights, and a guy with a single 2 foot tall plant growing in the closet depending on the local laws. if the guy has the weed equivalent of a home brewery kit i don't think it's a good thing for anyone for him to go to jail.

[Gan]

Do you have any of that information? It was a question for you, not for me.

I dont have that information, furthermore because of the chemical reprocussions (unresearched) and behavioral reprocussions I will not condone smoking weed in the presence of children in general.

Thats like dropping a child from a 3rd story window with the assumption that because you have not done any velocity or impact studies that it would be safe to do so until proven otherise.

Common sense here is to err on the side of caution.

[Celephais]

yes you are taking an action that has consequences. you are calling the police and asking them to come over and check these people out. if you didn't call, the police may well not come over. i don't see how you are lacking agency in this situation.

i think having your car wrecked is a bit more inconvenient than having a smell in your apartment. you can ask someone to do something about the smell & it may well go away. i doubt the guy with a suspended license can just up and fix your car for you.
haha, wow, okay buddy. "Hey cops, I think I saw this guy murder his wife in his backyard but.. you know what, nevermind it's not really bothering me so don't come check it out". Having the cops check something out isn't a weasley thing to do, any reprocussions they have are their own fault, you may facilitate it, but you shouldn't feel bad about it. If you want to go all butterfly effect, they were the ones that made it possible for you to even call them out in the first place.


leaving a note or talking to the person can also accomplish this.

"a whole production facility" can mean anything from a warehouse filled with crazy-ass lights, and a guy with a single 2 foot tall plant growing in the closet depending on the local laws. if the guy has the weed equivalent of a home brewery kit i don't think it's a good thing for anyone for him to go to jail.
Having the cops come over will likely not result in anything happening, even if he does have a have a 2 foot tall plant, they probably won't be coming into the condo.

I think he should leave a note and give them a week at best, but I doubt that'll accomplish anything.

[AestheticLife]

Fucking hippies.

[Cephalopod]

"a whole production facility" can mean anything from a warehouse filled with crazy-ass lights

This sentence made me think of the movie Pineapple Express.

http://www.webwombat.com.au/entertainment/movies/images/pineapple-express.jpg

[Gan]

That was a fucked up movie. Glad it was a rental.

[Das Uberdog]

haha, wow, okay buddy. "Hey cops, I think I saw this guy murder his wife in his backyard but.. you know what, nevermind it's not really bothering me so don't come check it out". Having the cops check something out isn't a weasley thing to do, any reprocussions they have are their own fault, you may facilitate it, but you shouldn't feel bad about it. If you want to go all butterfly effect, they were the ones that made it possible for you to even call them out in the first place.

yep. i think murder should be legal. or at least, you should mind your own business if you overhear someone murdering someone else.

calling the cops on him can be a shitty thing to do. laws aren't automatically just.


Having the cops come over will likely not result in anything happening, even if he does have a have a 2 foot tall plant, they probably won't be coming into the condo.

I think he should leave a note and give them a week at best, but I doubt that'll accomplish anything.

[Gan]

yep. i think murder should be legal. or at least, you should mind your own business if you overhear someone murdering someone else.

calling the cops on him can be a shitty thing to do. laws aren't automatically just.

Quoting this before it disappears.

[Das Uberdog]

oh shit, i screwed up. i meant that murder should be illegal and reported promptly to the proper authorities. how could i make such an elementary mistake??

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Thats like dropping a child from a 3rd story window with the assumption that because you have not done any velocity or impact studies that it would be safe to do so until proven otherise.>>

It's actually not even close to that.

[Showal]

This sentence made me think of the movie Pineapple Express.

http://www.webwombat.com.au/entertainment/movies/images/pineapple-express.jpg

Just go to the apartment with tons of guns. Todd Jones messed with the wrong melon farmers.

[Mechwarrior1]

A few things from a big-city patrol cop's perspective...

Child in a car that is speeding at 15 over the limit argument, arrest the driver?: This really depends on the rest of the circumstances. 15 over the limit on a desolate, empty 4 lane highway is not the same as 15 over in a high-activity school zone, while texting (which is illegal in my town when driving in a school zone), and where the speed limit is already only 20mph.

In either case, the child has no control over their fate, but the second instance is far more dangerous. I would warn for the first instance, but yank the driver out of the car and possibly arrest them on the spot for reckless driving in the second instance (At the least a stern lecture and a very expensive ticket).

Police action is based on what we call the totality of the circumstances. Say the person was speeding, but rushing their injured child to the ER. Well that is different. They may still get a stern talking to after the situation is resolved, but in my opinion the child's predicament trumps the danger they were in from fast driving. The focus then shifts from corrective measures against the driver to saving the kids life and so I put the both of them in the back of my car and run a hot code-3 to the nearest ER.

In regards to the discussion at hand, I can say with a great deal of experience that the child involved is most certainly in danger, if not directly from second-hand contact, certainly from other factors that invariably surround that amount of pot in one place. You can neg rep me all you want (its not like I do not get cussed at daily anyway) and say I do not know what I am talking about, but understand I take a good 300+ drug related calls a year and am considered an expert witness in the courts.

Call the cops, let CPS get involved, and help insure that child gets a fair chance at growing up in a drug free environment.

[Latrinsorm]

calling the cops on him can be a shitty thing to do. laws aren't automatically just.Which laws are we talking about in this situation, and why are they just or unjust?

[Gan]

<<Thats like dropping a child from a 3rd story window with the assumption that because you have not done any velocity or impact studies that it would be safe to do so until proven otherise.>>

It's actually not even close to that.

Thats your opinion.

*Get back to me once you have a kid.

[Das Uberdog]

Which laws are we talking about in this situation, and why are they just or unjust?

i'm speaking generally here. for example there was a time when women could not vote. that was the law. obviously that law was unjust. so the point i'm trying to make is to simply say "it's the law, it's the law" over and over isn't really convincing when you are trying to argue that a certain course of action is more moral or proper or woteva.

[Ker_Thwap]

Anarchy! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLkGw8AZ7u8)

[Showal]

Thats your opinion.

*Get back to me once you have a kid.

3 stories = 9.9 meters means the kid would be falling at about 48 mph when it hits the ground ... don't really need to do the research.

Bob's opinion doesn't matter. Thats not really something that needs research. On the other hand, smoking weed's long term effects are debated and not too well agreed upon. It's not an equal comparison.

[Das Uberdog]

my parents used to drink beers around me. i wish someone had called CPS so i could have had a fair chance at growing up in a drug free environment.